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Is it xenophobic or racist to bring up East Asian beauty standards regarding thinness and how many lives were lost to restrictive eating disorders on a post about body image and shaming? Especially because many people think they’re “healthier” when in reality it’s actually damaging. I know many other countries are like this, especially if they have a “fashion capital”.
On the contrary. It is important to understand the genesis of cultural mores that incorporate fatphobic beauty standards and observe how cultures all over the world have evolved fatphobic beauty standards. It is even more important to understand how fatphobia is itself tied to racist or "purist" racial ideals. Anti-blackness, for instance, manifests in how many aspects of fatphobia are realized in American/USian/Western beauty standards.
I think sources matter on this, and that observations and accounts from folks who are a part of the culture should be elevated above other discourse.
What do other folks think about this?
-ArteToLife
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Original illustration from "Veil" by Ikumi Fukuda/Kottori
#drawings#professor calculus#bianca castafiore#Castafiore is a mainstream beauty ideal in the Tintin universe's pop culture and I appreciate that /gen
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sorry but i dont understand why they had to cast margot robbie as tonya harding. she was perfect for barbie - the quintessential tall, skinny blonde that is barbie. she was perfect as sharon tate who was also admired for her beauty. and im sure she performed great as tonya harding because she is a talented actress - but it really bothers me they cast a woman this conventionally attractive for the one leading role where the real life woman she played was „unfeminine“ and „unattractive“ by ice skating standards and was constantly pitted against her rival who got all the sponsors and better ratings despite not being the more talented ice skater. margot robbie didnt need this movie for her success but it could have been a one time chance for an unattractive womans break as an actress. instead they „uglied down“ margot robbie like they did with nicole kidman in „destroyer“.
they couldnt find other talented actresses for the roles who just look like this?
and yet there are still feminists who deny „pretty privilege“ exists because incels have negatively impacted the discussion around beauty bias. no serious feminist says attractive women have it easy but it just annoys me when people claim there are no advantages to being conventionally attractive because „beauty is subjective“ or „misogyny just takes different forms“ or „beauty shouldnt matter“ - well it does. and yes beauty can fade too and beauty standards change but weight, ability and age are also characteristics that change, they still can have an unfair advantage or disadvantage. and i understand that feminists are uncomfortable categorising women as more or less attractive, i am too, but it is also hindering real conversations about beauty and attractiveness in our society when we act „beauty blind“. there is definitely negative bias towards conventionally attractive women too but that is a product of misogyny, not their looks. whatever someone will twist this to call me insecure and petty anyways
#mine#beauty bias#culture#beauty standards set by the beauty industry are one thing but not all there is to beauty#and personally i hypothesise even in a world with no misogyny beauty would matter#just in different ways#and if you translate being attractive as nothing but ‚fuckable to men‘ i cant help you and i dont think you are ready for this conversation#the male gaze is persistent and important to find out how it impacts beauty ideals but it really is not all there is to it
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if the purpose of contemporary worship is to meet the culture where it's at, we are about to lose the need for contemporary worship
I don't think I'm imagining that the trend in both high-profile and social media conversion testimonies in recent years is that people are broken down by the self-focused, anti-corporeal, progressive spiritualism of modern secularism and instead are looking for community-based, embodied, historical religion
this is why they tend to start with and end up in the Latin Mass Roman Catholic or conservative-leaning mainline protestant churches
all I'm sayin is that when you have Richard Dawkins declaring he wants to remain in a culture that sings hymns and builds beautiful churches...that's your sign to start thinkin bout liturgy
#Christianity#x#ideally one would enjoy the hymns and liturgy for their own sake but that's my Scottish sensibility rearing its head#I've been a member of both types of church#the PCA is generally 'middle church' meaning we follow a basic liturgy and aim for modestly beautiful church buildings#but there is variation within that. I'd say my last church is on the more contemporary end and my current one is more traditional#I think it's really hard for the 80s and 90s generation of converts to understand that a church's 'cool' factor is becoming irrelevant#at a popular level#people would rather visit a church that they don't quite understand yet than visit one that mimics the culture they've grown to hate
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The two antagonistic spheres of society have always coexisted; the higher culture has always been accommodating, while the reality was rarely disturbed by its ideals and its truth. Today's novel feature is the flattening out of the antagonism between culture and social reality through the obliteration of the oppositional, alien, and transcendent elements in the higher culture by virtue of which it constituted another dimension of reality. This liquidation of two-dimensional culture takes place not through the denial and rejection of the “cultural values,” but through their wholesale incorporation into the established order, through their reproduction and display on a massive scale.
Herbert Marcuse, One-Dimensional Man
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friendly reminder as new years comes up and companies double down on exploiting marketing to people's weight loss resolutions: please please please please PLEASE be kind to yourself. love if you can, be neutral if you can't. there's about a million posts about this that i want to restate but then we'll be here all day so ill just stick to my two cents.
a lot of fitness culture (nice and well-intentioned people, not just shitty companies) will tell you you can do it right. you can be educated and smart, know the macros and minerals and do the best HIIT and have your rest days. And i don't have the authority to say that idea doesn't exist in reality, but i can say i was doing it as smart possible. reduce dont cut, stay above your calorie minimum, balance cardio and strength, eat healthy fats and get good protein.
you don't get an eating disorder by being dumb or uninformed or well-intentionedly doing it wrong. you dont get sucked in deeper by being flippant, by choosing with a sound mind to take those risks. and you dont get out of that shit by being smarter or learning more or figuring out how to do it right. you get out of it by being kinder to yourself, and most fitness companies dont want that for you so you have to want that for yourself
i like thinking of going to the gym as a hobby, and three years after my lowest point i still like weightlifting and yoga a lot. the difference now is that im recovering, making protein shakes that are closer to glorified milkshakes (ice cream and all, plenty of ice cream), putting effort into eating enough and not forcing myself to do stuff ill hate in the name of discipline or whatever. you don't force yourself to attend a painting class because you hate how your hands are shaped and youre told that if you just put all your willpower and discipline into painting regularly you'll be able to fix them. being creative on your own time and as you enjoy it *is* good for you and can definitely make you feel better, but staring at a canvas for weeks agonizing over the work you're only doing because you 'have' to is not.
so please please PLEASE be kind to yourselves💕💗💖
#tw eating issues#tw fatphobia#tw diet culture#tw fitness culture#tw eating disorders#made this under the assumption that we know eating disorders suck absolute ass#it ruins everything. your body but also your mood your brain function your will to live#it took me a year to actually feel physically hungry again#and the worst part is people will celebrate your slow death. tell you you look good or applaud your spiral downwards and you agree with them#you cant see how fucked up its gotten until youre recovering. the idea of not feeling hunger sounds great and feels great until you start#trying to heal#it sounds ideal its romanticized it sounds so convenient because then you wouldnt have to keep squeezing yourself dry to reach your goal#symptoms and side effects sound miniscule or even secretly desireable because at least it mean youre beautiful. its pretty to be dying#its a bottomless pit that looks shallow untill youre miles down and you finally look up and can no longer see the sun
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love whenever MASH is like
1. [establishes some kind of patriarchal/heteronormative/pro-military/pro-imperialistic ideal]
2. [immediately makes fun of this ideal/establishes a much better counter-ideal (accidentally?) based in queer intersectional theory]
#MASH#queer MASH#ofc you ask when what is a joke#but generally (ex. trapper and hawkeye dancing or everything inga does) the counter-culture is portrayed as right#*the person representing the counter-culture#** or klinger's desire to not be in the army based in pacifist ideals and expressed through non-cishetero beauty concepts
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Men, […] since they made gods in their own image, feel that their bodies are essentially all right.
Women’s flesh is evidence of a God-given wrongness; whereas fat men are fat gods. The actual demographics of obesity are irrelevant because this religion is not about whose body is fat, but whose body is wrong.
— Naomi Wolf (1990) The Beauty Myth
#if anything more women than men resemble a cultural ideal because they try harder#fatphobia#naomi wolf#the beauty myth#radfem#radical feminism#radblr
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the she/theys vs he/theys and wlw vs mlm posts are symptoms of a larger problem within the queer community 👍
#1. lack of consciousness of beauty standards 2. no grasp of intersectionality 3. focus on online discourse and not queer theory#'discourse' used very literally there. this is not a sick dunk on Minors These Days#anyway we as lgbtq people are very focused on ourselves as oppressed that we dont realize how we are perpetuating/internalizing...#... oppressive beliefs#see how all 'g ender envy' is almost exclusively skinny *white* conventionally attractive cis people#i saw someone say something like 'dont tag as gender envy be yr own person' the other day#and that really opened my eyes ?#we can be so caught up in the politics of being trans (usually as yr only minority group)#that it basically turns into 'skinny white cis men are the ideal of manhood dont ask me why though idk'#its deeply internalized#same goes with the 2 posts i mentioned#ps. i KNOW gender envy is what you personally find enviable and you shouldnt forced to change yr attraction for political reasons#but its the same shit that cishet beauty standards have been for centuries#very similar to how the only models in magazines are skinny white cis women#they dont say that fat people/trans women/woc arent worth their pages. its implied.#we just need to think about what we're implying every day as a community.#also i have a personal thing against gender envy culture because you guys forced me to see FUCKING V OMITBOYX EVERY DAY IN LIKE 2020#/JOKE I SWAER. unless i get told one more time that im not really trans because i dont want short hair over my eyes. then i snap#<3
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saw the first volume of Cursed Princess Club in the store last Sunday as I was walking by the manga section, and the name was so unusual that I looked it up online when I got home, and found out it was on webtoons to read for free, and just finished it, and holy shit
literally one of the best stories I've ever read
#I don't even know where to begin it's just insanely well-written but also so deeply emotional and wholesome and wonderful#also there's a lady with a were-spider curse tied to her menstrual cycle which gets discussed casually and like#I've never seen menstruation discussed by fictional characters in such a natural and no big deal way it was fucking awesome#but literally everything about every character was so very well-written and presented in such a good way#like I dunno curses as analogies for disabilities and how they don't lessen a person's worth#and how people are still people deserving of love and how difficult self-love and self-acceptance can be#but also how important it is but also how it still sucks to live w/ certain things#and how you can be both angry about something and accepting of it at the same time#but also about how superficial and socially/culturally constructed ideals of beauty and worthiness are and how they're totally fake#and potentially harmful and also how it's possible to work around and against and restructure those ideals#but also it's about princesses (and a couple princes) kicking ass and being cool and also just being human#also I gotta hand it to the author for having a lady who totally enjoys sleeping around and isn't shamed for it whatsoever#there's also a character who's basically aroace and despite two men falling in love with her like#as soon as they find out she's not interested in relationships they back off and respect that and still treat her as a friend#and I dunno that's just neat#like it's satirical fantasy that deconstructs so many different fairytale tropes but it's also so genuine and sincere#that it somehow circles back to embody the heart of a fairytale in all the best ways possible#anyhow it's absolutely worth a read#oracle of lore
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spent the morning tentatively constructing an essay in my head about the differences between Golden Age and New Wave science fiction and their conflicting approaches to the concepts of utopia and cultural perfection. and then realized that it's yet another thing I'm happier daydreaming about than actually writing. alas.
#old sci fi is a lifelong special interest for me and i am full of feelings about it#anyway the tldr of that essay would have been that the cold war transformed the broader cultural ideal in the west#of what a perfect future should look like and how it should serve the people living in it#there's this sense in a lot of the really popular scifi pre-WWI that the future is perfect bc as a species we've perfected ourselves#(*pre-WWII. 2. typo)#but coming into the 60s you notice that change dramatically#there's this odd background mixture of hope and dread. sort of a feeling that the species might be one foot in the grave already#but also a refusal to accept that. the way people dreamed about how they should live started to shift. you can watch it happen!#there's this feeling that our stewardship of the future must be possible-inevitable even-as imperfect people. imperfect societies.#that we can't achieve utopia but we can find a way to keep going anyway#i don't know. i'm emotional about it. it's a time capsule for an era of radically shifting desires on an international scale#you read stories from that time and you can feel people not wanting to give up. you can feel how badly they wanted tomorrow to include them#i think it's beautiful#fsp speaks
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I hate Aladdin’s orientalism as much as the next patronised muslim, but Twisted Wonderland’s Scarabia dorm and its characters are the best thing that came out of it.
#twst#twisted wonderland#scarabia#my post#orientalism#arab characters#muslim#still not ideal#but hey it has actual effort and research put into the characters and culture and it's beautiful
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americans try not to immediately turn anything irish into magical mystical uwu pagan faeries challenge (100% IMPOSSIBLE)
#i s2g if i see one more comment on a gaeilge song saying some shit like#this is what i would listen to if i was dancing in the forest with the fae#you guys do realise you can show your appreciation for a country/culture#without associating the entire country with the tumblrised version of its mythology that you only know about#from 3 skimmed twitter posts and an interperative YA romance novel#it could be worse i guess#but i'm just really sick of literally anything vaguely celtic just getting watered down into tinkerbell bullshit#that isn't ~ethereal magical ancient elf music~ that's an actual people's music and was probably written at the very most 200 years ago#i'm glad people are enjoying it but you can stop boiling down our whole country into some ideal cottagecore fairy land already#it's just as disrespectful as doing that to any other culture. at least to me#im thinking mostly of music here because that's where i see this shit happening a LOT#like any ~medieval tavern vibes~ playlist you click on is pretty much guaranteed to be like minimum 30% modern as gaeilge music#but it happens with pictures and stuff too#despite popular opinion all those beautiful hashtag aesthetic pictures of glens and woodlands don't make up the entire country.#like were not all living in the 1600s here#anyway rant over tldr you can stop calling irish music magic gibberish fairy spells now especially if you barely know the first thing of#what youre talking about when it comes to irish folklore#ok i know it's probably not just americans doing this also but i mean. i don't want to be rude or anything but americans tend to be#bad for this stuff
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man, posts like this make me feel so fucking weird. like, thanks for the shoutout, I guess, but people just Have Tastes, and no amount of moralizing fingerwagging is going to change the fact that much fewer people's tastes will be inclined toward bodies that look like mine. Beauty and appeal are subjective but it's fucking weird to pretend they don't exist. Like, I dunno man, it sucks that I'm not as pretty as other people! It does! But it's still just a thing that is true and that's fine! I want people who give me attention to do so because they actually fucking mean it, not because someone scolded them for not having morally correct enough tastes in women on tumblr dot com
#'it SUCKS to see women whose features are statistically more likely to appeal to others getting the most attention' yep sure does!!!#but like!!! of course they are!!! I don't know what to fucking tell you!!!#I don't actually want anyone's obligatory pity thirst but maybe that's just me lmao!!!!!#like I dunno man it's a complicated thing because broad cultural ideals about beauty are shaped by a lot of different influences#and it's not fair and it's not right and I'm sure it's at least some part of why people who look like me generally aren't seen as beautiful#but man I dunno I don't see how getting mad at the people who have been effected by those overehelming cultural forces helps anything#people are gonna like what they like and mostly it's probably not gonna be a tall fat woman with a flat chest#do you run YOUR libido through a diversity checklist or is it just something you feel instrinsically?#anyway. actually been having a lot of feelings about not being beautiful lately lmao#and 'it's wrong for people who don't think you are to not at least pretend otherwise 😤' isn't like. making me feel better.#no one's looking at your pics rubbing their hands together going 'I think I'm gonna withhold attention to make this fat girl suffer >:)'#SORRY!!! I DON'T WANNA GUILT PEOPLE INTO LOVING ME SORRY!!!!#about me
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"objectively attractive" 🙃
great as a stilistic tool for exaggeration but not as a concept to be used seriously
#any seemingly objective measure of beauty is truly just a question of mainstream tendencies (that most individuals deviate from in one way#or another) and it's a question of internalised cultural ideals that are not objective whatsoever
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