#csm hybrid

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Silly art of the whip hybrid for the new csm chapter!

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The Most Effective Weapon Hybrids in Chainsaw Man

Tbh I’ve been looking around different social medias and seen so many people lambast the later introduced Hybrid Weapons for ‘ all of them being weaker’ than the ones we do see in the series.

And like that’s nowhere true? Did anyone read the final fight properly? Especially taking into account the part where they were all brainwashed and by extension, used as living bludgeoning weapons rather than as actual combatants with sapitence??

This made a massive impact on their actual combative abilities as the biggest thing we’ve seen across the series before the final arc is not the strength but the cunning and skill behind using their abilities. 

And if we’re going off that Katana Man - as he should deservedly be ranked - is the most pathetic of them all. He has one strategym, one devastating attack - a type of Speed Blitz that can move quicker than Denji-Chainsaw can perceive, but in his rematch with Denji? He loses very convincingly and he loses twice against Pochita - one of said times he even used said Speed Blitz move and Pochita was just too fast and powerful for it to even work. 

And while he wields the powerful Katana Devil, he has nowhere near the intelligence or weapon skill necessary to be able to fight properly. It’s very telling since most of his attacks are strong area-sweeping strikes (essentially flailing but lazier) and his Speed Blitz, rather than precise powerful attacks and defensive blocking. 

Hell, even Denji starts off with super poor technique. His entire ‘strategy’ is just to slash, slash, slash, get back up, and keep slashing. The only reason he doesn’t die is because he got trained into the ground by Kishibe later on to make sure that this wouldn’t happen again. He lost to the Leech Devil, he was severed in half in his first fight with Katana Man of all people, he was repeatedly overpowered in his fight with the far more experienced Reze and only saved by outside intervention, he was cursed by Tolka and when he returned from Hell he was blindsided by Quanxi calling off their truce, and he ultimately didn’t fight Makima’s forces directly - Pochita did. Denji’s strength is his wit from living as a survivor up to the start of the series as well as gaining the strength of the arguably most combat effective Devil in existence. What really matters about ‘most powerful’ should be experience with their powers; both Denji and Katana have had theirs for only a very short amount of time - Denji got his before Katana, or at the very least, just before Samurai Sword swore revenge as we don’t get an exact date for when Sawatari fused him with Katana Devil (Samurai seems short-tempered enough to make a rash contract without any questions). Neither of these dudes are particularly as effective as their weapon devils themselves should be.

Reze and Quanxi are definitely more experienced; Reze was literally raised to be the Bomb Hybrid as part of a Russia ‘Backrooms’ operation with child soldiers and repeatedly demonstrated extremely quick transformations, devastating blast attacks, and was even the character to introduce the concept of a Hybrid auto piloting a second body or the concept of ‘splitting yourself’ (her headless body autonomously dodges an attack, hugs and detonates one of the Public Safety men (someone who could summon Kon’s Paw) after Beam drags himself and Denji to the HQ, meanwhile said original Reze body threw her decapitated head that transformed into Bomb and continued her assault without issue). Even though Denji later proves that this isn’t a wholly unique ability to Bomb specifically, this ability to separate yourself and launch surprise attacks with such devastating results is an extremely dangerous and effective part of the Bomb Devil’s arsenal. Quanxi’s experience is generally even greater; she has been known as the First Devil Hunter, meaning she’s likely the oldest Hybrid and Devil Hunter to ever exist (giving her at least a hundred years of experience battling all kinds of Devils), is fast enough to not just weave between a sea of Human-Dolls but caused a delayed slashing attack that bisects most of her victims and kills them before they even realize she’s there. And her weapon devil form’s introduction shows how deadly the Crossbow Devil should be - multi-firing targets with extreme precision and powerful arrows, almost destroying Santa Devil several times (only not succeeding due to Santa having an insane healing factor at the time). It’s harrowingly telling that the only reason she even fails at all is because Makima - one of the Horseman of the Apocalypse and the Control Devil at that - appears and Quanxi has to let her guard down in an attempt to reason with her.

Now the other Weapon Hybrids. 

Arguments I’ve seen is that they’re worse because they, in their fights with Chainsaw, don’t demonstrate a healing factor that Chainsaw and Bomb do. This is very likely incorrect as during both battles the only strategy Makima has their brainwashed selves use is essentially a zerg rush, but the actual refutal of them not having a good one shouldn’t come from their weapon devils, but rather their lack of mental autonomy and sapient thought. Brainwashed! Reze is the glaring example of this as her real self was capable of quickly destroying and regenerating her body with ease, being incredibly creative with her powers, and having human intelligence and planning, but her brainwashed self clearly doesn’t possess the mental autonomy to use self-revival in the first fight or second one, and she has to be revived by Makima (off-screen) after the first fight. The brainwashed weapons are not actual people; they’re Weapons in every sense of the word by the time Makima has her powers sunk into them, but we can glean how effective they’d likely be from other factors.

One of those factors would be their individual performances in battle despite having their reduced faculties. Let’s use the first battle as an example:

In the first battle (the one with Pochita in full-power) the order of which the Weapons die is the following: Quanxi, Longsword (absolutely brutalised in an instant through several buildings and simultaneously killed by Pochita), Katana (who fails his signature attack and is killed by Pochita) , Bomb (who attempts to make Pochita airborn before being diced to pieces), and then a restrained Spear, Flamethrower, and Whip (who all assisted in a combination attack with Makima that, oh I don’t know, launched Pochita into outter space) are killed simultaneously in a multiple person slash attack from Pochita (Flamethrower forces out Pochita from the building he killed Longsword/Quanxi in in a blazing eruption; Whip assaults and distracts him for Bomb to take Pochita into the sky, and Spear Man’s attack not only punctures the previously inpenetrable Pochita’s skin but also launches him further.

In the second battle pretty much all of the weapons perform poorly; Katana and Longsword don’t even get to harm Pochita as they’re killed immediately after destroying the rock Pochita threw, Whip and Bomb are simultaneously slashed with wound severe enough they couldn’t continue fighting, Spear Man dies at the same time as Whip and Bomb but only after ramming one of his spears through the depowered Pochita at the same time, Flamethrower unfortunately fails to burn Pochita. Crossbow actually does better this time as she manages to puncture several holes in Pochita as she's decapitated.

In short the other Hybrids have not been given the same exposure that Bomb, Quanxi and Katana were. Not only that but Whip, Longsword, Flamethrower, and Spear were introduced brainwashed like the others, though it may seem Flamethrower shows hints of greater autonomy as he's the only one to speak full sentences while in his transformed state as he observes that Pochita has weakened. Spear Man is seemingly dismissed as the less cool or powerful most of the time, yet he landed two arguably decisive blows that were infinitely more effective than anything the others did.

I'm thinking about discussing the relationship between Spear and Flamethrower as they were actually introduced as the background characters that helped Makima find Denji (Post Zombie Massacre) at the very beginning of the series; Spear is the glasses man, Flamethrower seems to be hunched over and wearing a hat but it would make sense for him to be there if Spear and Makima were. Especially if Makima needed definitive backup that would unquestionably follow her orders in battle.

While ultimately Denji is a strong fighter and greatly improved by Part 2, the most effective user of the power is Pochita and by extension 'Weapon Devil' - if he can even fit under that category due his abnormalities amongst demonkind. The most effective Hybrid however would absolutely be Bomb and Crossbow, but only lucidly and you cannot discount the effectiveness that Spear, Flamethrower, and to some extent Whip had even while brainwashed. On top of that we don't even know their fighting styles in their lucid states so an accurate judgement cannot be considered as of the appearances we've seen but I hope this post has at least made some sense.

I might do a follow up speculation about the circumstances behind their becoming hybrids, how they act, and where they originated.

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SIlly little guy with a silly little hat. CHAINSAW MAN TUESDAY! CSM 171

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they are very dear to me

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dog eared and doubtful* multifandom series

You're only human.

And maybe in an ideal world that'd be enough. In an ideal world, people wouldn’t stare at your fleshy ears, or compare your eyes to that of prey, or pull and stretch your skin confused as to why you don’t have fur, scales or feathers, like the rest of them. 

You’re only human.

But they want more.

In Shibuya your kind is relegated to the outskirts of the city. You live in a flat by your lonesome, surrounded by more humans who’ve been ostracized from society, and a sliver of you wishes it was different.

The majority of you feels resigned to this way of life.

You’ve seen what hybrids can do. What they have done to your people. What they will continue to do.

They tend to ignore your kind for the most part. But there are sects of hybrid society that … vye, for you humans.

And some are kind. Not many, but some.

this is a series about hybrids. a universe in which the standard hybrid/human hierarchy is swapped, where fang and hoof and claw rule over tooth and nail. it's an open series, meaning there is no set amount of entries, and it'll be finished whenever i lose interest in the subject i suppose.

each fic is centered around a different hybrid x human dynamic, so although you don't change, 'you' is supposed to be a different person in every story. some readers may have more physical descriptions than others. some stories may be more safe for work and some may not, though virtually all will deal with themes of:

power imbalances feral & animal behaviors and human discrimination (by hybrids)

⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀chapter overview

chapter i. mitsuya chapter ii. sukuna chapter iii. yuuji chapter iv. uzui tengen chapter v. gyomei himejima chapter vi. kisaki chapter vii. luka chapter viii. ivan chapter ix. beam chapter x. makima chapter xi. kishibe chapter xii. oikawa chapter xiii. ushijima

.... with more to (potentially) be added.

all content written by me @ciematis is owned by me, and you are not allowed to repost or translate my works. don't put my shit into ai generators, don't steal my shit and put it on wattpad. thank you.

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I mean .at least you can eat steak every day

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join me in the chainsaw man church!

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With who from csm universe would you get along the best if you were to meet?

Had to give this a lot of deep thought.

Plan B:

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Sword Man

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whatever this duo is— but i love them

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A silly evil woman and an evil silly woman

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[lindleland]

whip hybrid has only had three lines of dialogue total and it is already apparent that her impact on the csm fandom will be devastating

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Honestly, Barem Has Been Hella Sus Even Back in Part 1

Like, looking back at it, he came off as… odd, compared to the other Hybrids under Makima’s control.

In chapter 86 when the Hybrids first appear, they all compliment Makima or otherwise state their desire to have her or impress her. But here’s the thing.

A closer look shows that Barem doesn’t do this, he’s the only one to not make his admiration of her known, he just states that everyone else does. This seems like a small thing, but one of the most common forms of Makima’s influence is an unexplainable admiration and attraction towards her, with Aki and the other Hybrids being prime examples. So, I know what you’re thinking, “so you’re insinuating that Barem wasn’t under Makima’s control based on one line of dialogue?” Well, here’s the thing, this odd behavior is not a one-off occurrence.

In chapter 94, while the zombies and other Hybrids are fighting Pochita, Barem is hanging back with Makima and directly speaks to her, and she explains to him why Pochita is weaker. If he was under Makima’s control this conversation probably wouldn’t have happened, he’d be attacking with the rest of them, she wouldn’t explain it to him because as he’s under her control, she doesn’t need to explain anything. Now, it could be argued that he’s hanging back because he’s a ranged fighter, but Reze, Quanxi, and Spear Man all went in closer to attack, and they’re all primarily ranged fighters. And even if that was the reason, there would have been no reason to have this conversation with Makima.

To me, it seems that he was going along with Makima willingly, at least to the point where Makima felt she didn’t need to exert full control over him. I have the suspicion he’s going along with Fami as well, though he might not know the full scope of her plans given his suggestion to kill Asa when Fami’s entire plan hinges on her. I guess only time will tell if this theory holds any water.

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Loving Whip Hybrid's new look. I had a lot of fun recreating this meme.