#csi 8x17

[lilcathsmith]

finally decided to make a part 2 Season 5 - 9 Greg still bringing the good vibes

season 1 - 4 here

[eddiestattoos]

Hi I have finally after 4 years brought myself to watch For Gedda and For Warrick. Was nobody going to tell me despite the circumstances these eps are incredible? I'm trying not to sob at midnight on a friday but omg

[buildinggsr]

William Petersen as Gil Grissom’s Awesome Portraits Collection ➥ B-Side subcollection (request by anon) CSI 8.17 | 9.05 | 9.06 | 9.08

[coping-via-clint-eastwood]

In this house, we wilfully ignore what happens at the end of this episode

[ilkkawhat]

ALSO I would just like to draw attention to the fact that in this scene, Nick’s supposedly distracted by a waitress in the restaurant and this shot occurs right as Warrick asks, “Hey, you still there?” cause “aww precious nicky, his head is in the clouds, he’s got a crush on this redheaded beauty!”

only...he’s not looking at the waitress...

he’s looking at greg.

[addictedtostorytelling]

Lately I’ve been watching CSI with my mom, who used to watch it years ago when it first aired. We started watching a few months ago, just after CSI: Vegas premiered. Since then, I’ve become addicted. Last night, we got to the season 8 finale. Although Warrick wasn’t my top favourite character (that rank belonging to Sara, Greg, and Nick), and even though I knew he was going to die (by reading spoilers on his Wiki page), I was still crushed. I watched 8x17 in tears, and couldn’t bring myself to watch 9x1.

However, I noticed that in the Paramount+ description for the episode “For Warrick”, it states that the producers later regretted killing Warrick off the show. I was wondering, what are your opinions? Do you think they should have killed him off? Do you think there were better ways to write off his character other than by having him murdered? Personally, I’m too heartbroken to have an opinion at the moment, but I’d love to hear your thoughts!

hi, @mcuwitxh!

those episodes are absolutely gutting, even rewatching them years later.

i have a bit of old meta here that talks about the decision to kill warrick off and some of the backstage politics that played into it.

suffice it to say, that whole process was messy as hell, and off-camera considerations definitely played a role in the final outcome.

as for my opinion on the matter, not only do i hate that the show killed warrick off period, but i hate how they chose to kill him off—that the writers seemingly went out of their ways to muddle his legacy as a character and make his death not so much heroic as just plain cruel.

warning: here be saltiness about the writing decisions surrounding warrick's death storyline. read at your own discretion.

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while of course gary and the other cast members performed warrick's death arc to perfection, narratively speaking, warrick's story had always been about redemption—about a character who had learned from his past mistakes and overcome his personal demons in order to become a leader to his team and pillar in his community—but his death completely undermined that theme.

though he wasn't ultimately guilty of the most serious crimes of which he stood accused prior to his death, his death was still ignominious in other ways—tied to his worsening prescription drug habit and in large part a product of him getting in over his head while dealing with shady enterprises, a la his earliest characterization on the show rather than what he later evolved into.

sure, in the end, he wasn't a "rogue cop"/vendetta killer, but he didn't come out of the whole gedda affair smelling like roses, either.

the writers didn't let him.

though as far as we knew, warrick had learned all the way back in s1 better than to take part in extralegal activities or deal with unscrupulous figures all on his own (see episode 01x04 "pledging mr. johnson"), the gedda arc sees him regress from this development.

to be clear: warrick isn't to blame for his own death at all—that's mckeen, through and through—but the writers do seem to go out of their ways to show him behaving poorly prior to his death, to the point where, with the exception of the breakfast scene at the diner, just by itself in a vacuum, it's difficult to wring out anything good or hopeful from the last few hours of his life.

contrary to his later seasons characterization, warrick goes behind his teammates' backs (and against grissom's orders) to continue pursuing the gedda case after the events of episode 08x09 "cockroaches." he deals with a shady private investigator, instigating a barely-legal investigation into something he never should have poked around in without his friends there beside him. he shows up to the club without backup. he runs his mouth at times when he should keep quiet.

in short, the writers make sure to write his final days as complicated ones, replete with examples of him remaking the same old mistakes we'd seen him make back in s1—ones that he had supposedly long-since outgrown.

not only is his death senseless in terms of how abrupt it is and how much it is a total waste of his character, but it's also senseless in that it negates so much of his previous character growth and leaves one feeling as if things perhaps needn't have turned out the way they did had he behaved more like the most mature version of himself than like his earliest iteration.

by s8, one would expect warrick to turn to his teammates if he felt like he was on the verge of uncovering a criminal conspiracy (potentially even involving members of the lvpd). if grissom in particular weren't receptive to warrick's concerns—which, given that he is in the depths of depression and has a much shorter fuse than usual on account of sara's recent departure from vegas, he might not be—then warrick could turn to catherine or nick or even, in a beautiful reversal from the the antagonism of their early seasons relationship, brass instead.

to have warrick start the show as a guy whose impulsivity gets him in too deep into the underworld of the criminal justice system (with judge cohen) and does cost an innocent girl (holly gribbs) her life and nearly costs him his job only to then leave the show as a guy whose impulsivity gets him in too deep into the underworld of the criminal justice system (with lou gedda and jeff mckeen) and does cost an innocent girl (joanna krumpsky) her life and nearly costs him his job just feels like such a waste, like such a steamrolling of his character arc—and especially when we know that in-between point a and point b, he actually does develop and change and become a genuine hero; the writers just nerfed all of his hard-won growth in the end, is all.

there were absolutely better ways to get him off of the show than to get him hooked on sleeping pills, send his behavior back in time to 2000, and then have a (white) police officer mercilessly shoot him (the only black main character on the show) to death for the shock value.

that's just an unnecessarily ugly ending for a character whose story should have been about hope.

honestly, if the writers had been really sold on the idea of killing him—for actual storytelling reasons, as opposed to because they simply wanted to stick one to the actor in question—then they could have picked a death for him that was more reflective of who he was in s9.

but, ideally, they never should have killed him at all.

he should have gotten a walk-off ending.

maybe he quits the lab to be a full-time father to his son. maybe, like nick later does in s15, he gets a leadership opportunity at another lab. maybe he, like grissom later will, decides that he needs to move on to something else. maybe he and tina reconcile to raise eli together and he switches to day shift so he can have more time to be with his family. maybe they move someplace else together to get a fresh start.

whatever the writers chose to do, to my mind, it should have been something that spoke to the essence of warrick's character: that despite his troubled past, he had finally made good; that he was someone reliable and stalwart, who had mastered himself and his world.

certainly the door should have been left open for a potential return.

i mean, his ending still could have been sad or bittersweet, had the writers been inclined to do things that way—but it could have been so in such a manner that it didn't involve denigrating his character or leave a permanently bad taste in the mouths of the fans.

fourteen years on now, and i will never not feel like the show did warrick dirty.

he deserved an ending that was true to him, and that's not at all what he got.

thanks for the question! please feel welcome to send another any time.

[nade2308]

I'm gonna rewatch csi (caused I'm basically in s15 now and I need more eads) Which episode should I start with?

Oh, thanks for the ask and happy watching.

I can't think of all the eps right now, but my favorites and those who are mostly Nick centered or have a lot of Nick in them or good Nick moments are: 1x06, 1x11, 1x13, 2x03, 2x19, 5x24 and 5x25 (aka Grave Danger, my most fav eps out of all), 6x05, 8x17, 9x01, 9x16, 10x03, 10x06, 10x15, 10x23, 11x01, 11x15, 11x19, 12x01, 12x14, 12x22, 13x01, 13x03, 13x05, 13x22, 14x01, 14x02, 14x14, 15x01, 15x02, 15x03, 15x17.

Originally I have watched up until s10 (back in the day). And I still have to watch s11-15 fully, so I'm probably missing some good eps).

[okimargarvez]

Pic posts

GARVEZ

Why Penelope and Luke should be a couple ;  If your dog doesn’t like someone… ; Drowing ; The mother of his children ; The things you really need ; Someone should go to Penelope office ; She still doesn’t like him ; Lisa is not here ; Bro ; Luke faces during Penelope speech in the Finale ; You understand you are done ; Yeah (Cool) ; Let me die here ; Complaints ; Looking back ;  Wasted chance ; Paget approval ; Couple / group ; Supposed girlfriend ; Puppy eyes ; Connection ;  Why Luke is fucked ; Why Penelope is fucked ; Luke Alvez in almost each episode of CM ; The Great Communicator ; Calleigh/Eric - Garvez ; Let’s be in the moment  ;  What Luke wanted to say during the ask date scene ; What Penelope wanted to answer to Luke during the ask date scene ; Housewarming party ; Aesthetic ; Basorexia ; Stalkers ; Another way ; alternative 13x15 ; Wedding card ; No coincidence ; Solar System ; Young garvez ; Garvez recap ; Dear Penelope ; Fuck ; Why they are perfect for each other ; Recurrent phrases ; Fortuity ; Once upon a time ; The right one ;  How to court a woman ;  You can’t understand ; Shadow kisses ; Normal people vs Luke ; You have just met Emily Prentiss ; Garcia & her men ; Easier ; 

- Comparison: Dancing time ; Angry Luke ; Same mood look ; I’m here

- All moments: S12 ; S13 ; S14 ; S15 ; S16

- Creative:  How to combine business with pleasure (love expression) ;  Thank God for photoshop ; How the analysis came out ;  Shades of crazyness ;

- Finding garvez everywhere : one ; two ; three

- Fake garvez chats : one ; two ; three ; four ; five ; six ; seven ; eight ;

- Storm thoughts : Happiness ; Sexual tension ; Embarrassment ; Miss you ; Miss you 2 ; Regret ; Family ; Absence ; Connection

- Times :  All Luke bullshits to hold Penelope attention on him ;  Drinks ; All the times they touched ; Each time Luke stared at the direction where Penelope disappeared / before leaving ;  Sweetest moments ;  Times they flirt on work ;  Elevator

- Garvez + quotes :  Parallel lines ; The bringing together ; Erica Mou ; Ennio Flaiano ; Stars & darkness ; Emily Dickinson ;  Absence ; I miss you ;

- Luke who does things - Penelope reaction : S12 ; S13 ; S14 ; S15 ; S16

- Garvez incorrect scenes : one (blind date) ; two (first date)

- Parallel:  [14x8 vs 16x1] ; [13x20 vs 16x1] ; [13x16 vs 16x1 vs 16x2] ; [14x15 vs 15x10] ;  [14x15 vs 15x10] ; [12x17 vs 16x9] ; [12x17 vs 16x1] ; [8x17 vs 13x12] ; [13x5 vs 15x4] ; [13x16 vs 16x2] ; [3x8 vs 16x8] ; [14x6 vs 16x9] ; [13x16 vs 16x2] ; [12x17 vs 13x3] ; [3x8 vs 16x8] ; [13x1 vs 16x9] ; [12x17 vs 16x1] ; [2x5 vs 15x7] ; [4x1 vs 15x3] ; [7x3 vs 13x3] ; [12x1/12x4 vs 13x12] ;

- Zepeto : first date ; Valentine’s day ; second date ; Yeah ; Fairy tale ; School ; Subway ; Halloween 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 ; Take a photo ; Cupido ; Musical ; Little things ; Sunday ; Picche

- Series: Inside the (crazy) mind of a garvez shipper ; When ;  What means “context”? ; Find someone ; Staring ;

PENELOPE

The dress ; Rainbow dream -Outfit : S1 ; S2 ; S3 ; S4 ; S5 ; S6 ; S7 ; S8 ; S9 ; S10 ; S11 ; S12 ; S13 ; S14 ; S15 ; S16

LUKE

Luke emoji ; Luke girl ; Linda problem ; On-demand attention is worthless ;  The pathologist ; When he cares ; Best friends ; Sundial ; sinkholes ; Luke likes to be teased ; Desk ; - Outfit : S12 ; S13 ; S14 ; S15 ; S16

CRIMINAL MINDS

- What I adore of 15x5 ; R.I.P. jet ; Chess ; - Face mask : Penelope ; Luke ; Jennifer ; Emily ; Spencer ; Rossi ; Matt ; Tara ; Hotch ; Derek

CSI : MIAMI

- Calleigh relationships ; Horatio & Yelina ; Great minds think alike ; Eric & Calleigh aesthetic ;

- Parallelism CSI : Miami / CM: 1 - Eric&Calleigh/Penelope&Luke. Suspension ; 2 - Eric&Horatio/Penelope&Derek. Don’t be a hero ; 3 - Eric&Ryan/Morgan&Reid. Scared friends ; 4 - Ryan/Spencer and the famous girl ; 5- That time the bad guy hit the ground ; 6- Professionalism (Calleigh vs Penelope)

THE GOOD DOCTOR

- Shea recap

- // Garvez: There are so many ways (/shea) ; Jordan & Danny aesthetic ;

OTHERS

Goodbye, Warrick (CSI : Crime Scene Investigation)

Men & dogs (Sam / Roxy)

Jonathan Safran Foer

Door phone

[bi-bi-love-14]

Oh my god, I’m up to 8x17 in my CSI marathon and I know this is the episode when Warrick dies and I’m not prepared for it! I’ve never seen this episode and I just know I won’t be able to handle it

[coolmoviemanmike]

I just watched CSI: Crime Scene Investigation 8x17 "For Gedda (1)"

[ilkkawhat]

8.17 For Gedda

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8.17 For Gedda

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8.17 For Gedda

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8.17 For Gedda

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8.17 For Gedda

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8.17 For Gedda