#cr 3 ep 95

[bloodyshadow1]

the thing is, Laudna could have made a lot of good arguments on why she wanted to sword gone. I think people underestimate the trauma the sword caused her because the view Oryms suffering as greater.

That's the point of the scene, she is an addict according to Marisha and is definitely in the wrong. It was intentional on Marisha's part. Even if you don't think Orym was right in the altercation over the sword either, he didn't attack her first.

The fact is, Laudna is not in her right mind, she is intentionally cracking up. It's bad for her and her sanity for many reasons and she did the worst thing she could think of because it was the first thing she thought of. It was selfish and she was lying to herself because she can't use logic at the moment because she wasn't being logical. Regular Laudna wouldn't be acting this way, she would accept Orym's ownership of the sword even if it made her uncomfortable. That's the point, she is not regular Laudna. She needs help, she needs to talk to someone, she needs Delilah out of her head or she's going to completely fall

[math-rocks-and-lizard-bats]

Ok I’m rewatching last weeks episode bc I’m off work today and I’d just like to say. People have been TELLING LAUDNA TO GIVE DELILAH MORE POWER TO FIGHT. You can’t have lemonade without the sourness of lemons. You can’t just get Uber powerful Laudna without getting more Delilah and the consequences of that. I’m just saying.

[ijustwantaplacetorantinpeace]

CR3EP95 - At the start of the episode, quick discussion with Astrid and off to go shopping

*notes the five hour run time*

"huh, wonder what happens"

~4 hours later~

"Ah, I see."

[homodotus]

defending laudna online isn't enough i need a gun

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[tonkiyu]

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[kouichikimura]

CR 2 scenes ep 95

Stone family reunion

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Wild mom does nothing 19:35

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Nothing happens for a reason 21:09

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No theater! 22:44

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Brainstorming miracles 23:50

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Beau touches a “god” 35:51

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Everyone like caduceus 43:20

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Creating a story 48:32

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It’s a cult 49:57

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Chaos crew 51:12

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Caduceus the prankster 55:09

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Jesters and creation of her name 1:03:12

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Nott kills Veth 1:07:28

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Growing up a lot 1:10:17

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Not looking to strangle anyone (anymore) 1:12:08

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Chaos hugs 1:16:25

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What’s this? 1:17:48

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Sprinkle will not go 1:44:47

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What happens when you poke 1:48:43

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Sudden advertisement for Caleb 2:56:12

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Small beau. Not big anymore 2:59:14

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Sprinkle tides a mammoth 3:02:55

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Meditation 3:23:18

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Sculptures? 3:30:40

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Don’t drink the water 3:35:20

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Stone family reunion 3:38:34

[bloodyshadow1]

people need to stop acting like complex issues have simple solutions. The whole thing between Orym and Laudna is incredibly complex that no one is right about. Yes, despite her being my favorite character I think Laudna is more in the wrong than Orym. That doesn't make Orym in the right.

It's an issue that would have a better chance of being worked out if they talked to each other like they were friends who cared about each other instead of two caged animals looking to hurt something or someone. They're not thinking with their heads, their talking with their hearts, their deeply wounded and broken hearts that have been put through the ringer.

complicated issues need to be worked through, they need to fix Laudna's head and try to get Delilah out. This is a bad moment, but hopefully they can actually work to make something new. Because there is a limit to what trust exercises and craft nights can do when you're like them. Sometimes you need to break, to completely shatter so something new can be forged from the bits instead of trying to fix the breaks

[romaaeternaofficial]

Sorry for the delay, life has had me busy. I present to you the temple of the week.

TEMPLE OF CASTOR AND PULLOX

Castor, aedes: a temple of Castor (or the Dioscuri?) in circo Flaminio, that is, in Region IX, to which there are but two references. Its day of dedication was 13th August (Hemerol. Allif. Amit. ad id. Aug.; CIL I2 p325: Castori Polluci in Circo Flaminio; Fast. Ant. ap. NS 1921, 107), and it is cited by Vitruvius (IV.8.4) as an example of an unusual type (columnis adiectis dextra ac sinistra ad umeros pronai), like a temple of Athene on the Acropolis at Athens, and another at Sunium (Gilb. III.76, 84).

Castor, aedes, templum: * the temple of Castor and Pollux at the south-east corner of the forum area, close to the fons Iuturnae (Cic. de nat. deor. III.13; Plut. Coriol. 3; Dionys, VI.13; Mart. I.70.3; FUR fr. 20, cf. NS 1882, 233). According to tradition, it was vowed in 499 B.C. by the dictator Postumius, when the Dioscuri appeared on this spot after the battle of Lake Regillus, and dedicated in 484 by the son of the dictator who was appointed duumvir for this purpose (Liv. II.20.12, 42.5; Dionys. loc. cit.). The day of dedication is given in the calendar as 27th January (Fast. Praen. CIL I2 p308; Fast. Verol. ap. NS 1923, 196; Ov. Fast. I.705‑706), but by Livy (II.42.5) as 15th July. The laterº may be merely an error, or the date of the first temple only (see WR 216‑217, and literature there cited).

Its official name was aedes Castoris (Suet. Caes. 10: ut enim geminis fratribus aedes in foro constituta tantum Castoris vocaretur; Cass. Dio XXXVII.8; and regularly in literature and inscriptions — Cic. pro Sest. 85; in Verr. I.131, 132, 133, 134; III.41; Liv. cit. and VIII.11.16; Fest. 246, 286;1 Gell. XI.3.2; Mon. Anc. IV.13; Plaut. Curc. 481; CIL VI.363, 9177, 9393, 9872, 10024 — aedes Castorus (CIL I2582.17) or Kastorus (ib. 586.1; cf. EE III.70) appear merely as variants of this), but we also find aedes Castorum (Plin. NH X.121; XXXIV.23; Hist. Aug. Max. 16.1; Valer. 5.4; Not. Reg. VIII; Chron. 146), and Castoris et Pollucis2 (Fast. p103Praen. CIL p.I2.308; Asc. in Scaur. 46; Suet. Tib. 20; Cal. 22; Flor. Ep. III.3.20, cf. Lact. Inst. II.7.9; CIL VI.2202, 2203, although perhaps not in Rome, cf. Jord. I.2.369), forms due either to vulgar usage or misplaced learning. Besides aedes, templum is found in Cicero (pro Sest. 79; in Vat. 31, 32; in Pis. 11, 23; pro Mil. 18; de domo 110; de harusp. resp. 49; ad Q. fr. II.3.6), Livy once (IX.43.22), Asconius (in Pis. 23; in Scaur. 46), the Scholia to Juvenal (XIV.261), the Notitia and Chronograph (loc. cit.). In Greek writers it appears as τὸ τῶν Διοσκούρων ἱερόν (Dionys. VI.13), τὸ Διοσκόρειον (Cass. Dio XXXVIII.6; LV.27.4; LIX.28.5; Plut. Sulla 33), νεὼς τῶν Διοσκούρων (Cass. Dio LX.6.8; App. B. C. I.25; Plut. Sulla 8; Pomp. 2; Cato Min. 27).

This temple was restored in 117 B.C. by L. Caecilius Metellus (Cic. pro Scauro 46, and Ascon. ad loc.; in Verr. I.154; Plut. Pomp. 2). Some repairs were made by Verres (Cic. in Verr. I.129‑154), and the temple was completely rebuilt by Tiberius in 6 A.D., and dedicated in his own name and that of his brother Drusus (Suet. Tib. 20; Cass. Dio LV.27.4; Ov. Fast. I.707‑708). Caligula incorporated the temple in his palace, making it the vestibule (Suet. Cal. 22; Cass. Dio LIX.28.5; cf. Divus Augustus, Templum, Domus Tiberiana), but this condition was changed by Claudius. Another restoration is attributed to Domitian (Chron. 146), and in this source the temple is called templum Castoris et Minervae, a name also found in the Notitia (Reg. VIII), and variously explained (see Minerva, Templum). It had also been supposed that there was restoration by Trajan or Hadrian (HC 161), and that the existing remains of columns and entablature date from that period, but there is no evidence for this assumption, and the view has now been abandoned (Toeb. 51). The existing remains are mostly of the Augustan period (AJA 1912, 393), and any later restorations must have been so superficial as to leave no traces.

This temple served frequently as a meeting-place for the senate (Cic. in Verr. I.129; Hist. Aug. Maxim. 16; Valer. 5; CIL I2586.1), and played a conspicuous rôle in the political struggles that centred in the forum (Cic. de har. resp. 27; de domo 54, 110; pro Sest. 34; in Pis. 11, 23; pro Mil. 18; ad Q. fr. II.3.6; App. B. C. I.25), its steps forming a sort of second Rostra (Plut. Sulla 33; Cic. Phil. III.27). In it were kept the standards of weights and measures (CIL V.8119.4; XI.6726.2; XIII.10030.13 ff.; Ann. d. Inst. 1881, 182; Mitt. 1889, 244‑245), and the chambers in the podium (see below) seem to have served as safe deposit vaults for the imperial fiscus (CIL VI.8688, 8689),3 and for the treasures of private individuals ( Cic. pro Quinct. 17; Iuv. XIV.260‑262 and Schol.). No mention is made of the contents of this temple, artistic p104or historical, except of one bronze tablet which was a memorial of the granting of citizenship to the Equites Campani in 340 B.C. (Liv. VIII.11.16).

The traces of the earlier structures (including some opus quadratum belonging to the original temple; see Ill. 12) indicate successive enlargements with some changes in the plan of cella and pronaos (for the discussion of these changes and the history of the temple, see Van Buren, CR 1906, 77‑82, 184, who also thinks that traces can be found of a restoration in the third century B.C.; cf. however, AJA 1912, 244‑246). The Augustan temple was Corinthian, octastyle and peripteral, with eleven columns on each side, and a double row on each side of the pronaos. This pronaos was 9.90 metres by 15.80, the cella 16 by 19.70, and the whole building about 50 metres long by 30 wide. The floor was about 7 metres above the Sacra via. The very lofty podium consisted of a concrete core enclosed in tufa walls, from which projected short spur walls. On these stood the columns, but directly beneath them at the points of heaviest pressure travertine was substituted for tufa. Between these spur walls were chambers in the podium, opening outward and closed by metal doors. From the pronaos a flight of eleven steps, extending nearly across the whole width of the temple, led down to a wide platform, 3.66 metres above the area in front. This was provided with a railing and formed a high and safe place from which to address the people. From the frequent references in literature (see above) it is evident that there was a similar arrangement in the earlier temple of Metellus. Leading from this platform to the ground were two narrow staircases, at the ends and not in front. The podium was covered with marble and decorated with two cornices, one at the top and another just above the metal doors of the strong chambers. Of the superstructure three columns on the east side are standing, which are regarded as perhaps the finest architectural remains in Rome. They are of white marble, fluted, 12.50 metres in height and 1.45 in diameter. The entablature, 3.75 metres high, has a plain frieze and an admirable worked cornice (for the complete description of the remains of the imperial temple previous to 1899, see Richter, Jahrb. d. Inst. 1898, 87‑114; also Reber, 136‑142; D'Esp. Fr. I.87‑91; II.87; for the results of the excavations since 1899, CR 1899, 466; 1902, 95, 284; BC 1899, 253; 1900, 66, 285; 1902, 28; 1903, 165; Mitt. 1902, 66‑67; 1905, 80; for general discussion of the temple, Jord. I.2.369‑376; LR 271‑274; HC 161‑164; Théd. 116‑120, 210‑212;a DE I.175‑176; WR 268‑271; DR 160‑170; RE Suppl. IV.469‑471; Mem. Am. Acad. V.79‑1024; ASA 70; HFP 37, 38).

This temple was standing in the fourth century, but nothing is known of its subsequent history, except that in the fifteenth century only three columns were visible, for the street running by them was called via Trium Columnarum (Jord. II.412, 501; LS I.72, and for other reff. II.69, p105199, 202; DuP 97). In the early nineteenth century it was often wrongly called the Graecostasis or the temple of Jupiter Stator.

[douglasacogan]

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  United States v. Gakhal, No. 15 CR 470-1, 2020 WL 3529904 (ND Ill. June 30, 2020)

United States v. Rachal, No. CR 16-10043-NMG, 2020 WL 3545473 (D Mass. June 30, 2020)

United States v. Pina, No. 18-CR-179 (JSR), 2020 WL 3545514 (SDNY June 29, 2020)

United States v. Harris, No. 06-CR-30058, 2020 WL 3483559 (CD Ill. June 26, 2020)

Woodard v. United States, No. 2:12-CR-105, 2020 WL 3528413 (ED Va. June 26, 2020)

  United States v. Yellin, No. 3:15-CR-3181-BTM-1, 2020 WL 3488738 (SD Cal. June 26, 2020)

Cotton v. United States, No. CR 16-20222-8, 2020 WL 3488752 (ED Mich. June 26, 2020)

United States v. Shannon, No. 13 CR 535, 2020 WL 3489491 (ND Ill. June 26, 2020)

United States v. Arango, No. 15-CR-104 (JMF), 2020 WL 3488909 (SDNY June 26, 2020)

United States v. Champagne, No. 4:97-CR-089, 2020 WL 3472911 (D N.D. June 25, 2020)

  United States v. Thompson, No. 92-30065-001, 2020 WL 3470300 (CD Ill. June 25, 2020)

United States v. Danson, No. CR 10-0051 (PLF), 2020 WL 3467887 (D D.C. June 25, 2020)

United States v. Gaitan, No. 18-CR-4662-BAS-1, 2020 WL 3469395 (SD Cal. June 25, 2020)

United States v. Fabris, No. 17-CR-00386-VC-2, 2020 WL 3481708 (ND Cal. June 25, 2020)

United States v. Ollie, No. CR 1:12-09, 2020 WL 3469754 (WD Pa. June 24, 2020)

  United States v. Schaffer, No. 13-cr-00220-MMC-1, 2020 WL 3481562 (ND Cal. June 24, 2020)

United States v. Arroyo, No. EP-6-CR-479-PRM-1, 2020 WL 3512964 (WD Tex. June 24, 2020)

As I have mentioned repeatedly, some rulings do not appear on Westlaw right away and others do not show up at all.  Indeed, this BOP page on the FIRST STEP Act has updated its reporting of total grants of "Compassionate Releases / Reduction in Sentences," and it now reports 774 grants when last week the page reported 706 grants.  These data continue to confirm my sense that less than half of all the granted motions end up on Westlaw.

One final note: though there surely are lots of fascinating stories within all these grants, I was especially intrigued to see the name  David Kent Fitch as a grant recipient.  That name is familiar to me because I previously blogged about Mr. Fitch's case when he was sentenced to an extra 15+ years of federal imprisonment after a district judge decided at sentencing that he committed a murder for which was never charged. (The details are discussed in these prior posts: Punished (twice?!?) for an uncharged murder in federal court and Split Ninth Circuit affirms huge upward departure based on uncharged murder.)  

Some of many prior recent related posts on CR grants:

Pleased to see growing number of COVID-influenced grants of sentence reductions using 3582(c)(1)(A)

Still more COVID-influenced grants of sentence reductions using 3582(c)(1)(A), with waivers of exhaustion/waiting period 

Additional COVID-influenced grants of federal sentence reductions using 3582(c)(1)(A) 

Another round of recent COVID-influenced grants of federal sentence reductions using 3582(c)(1)(A)

A dozen new grants of federal sentence reductions using § 3582(c)(1)(A), including another based on stacking/disparity/trial penalty concerns

Still more of the ever-growing number of COVID-influenced federal sentence reductions using 3582(c)(1)(A)

Another robust week for COVID-influenced federal sentence reductions using 3582(c)(1)(A)

With lots more new grants, time for another timely review of the latest COVID-influenced federal sentence reductions using § 3582(c)(1)(A) 

A big list for a whole week's worth of COVID-influenced federal sentence reductions using § 3582(c)(1)(A) 

Despite a short work week, still another long list of new COVID-influenced federal sentence reductions using § 3582(c)(1)(A) 

Another week with lots of federal sentence reductions from judges using § 3582(c)(1)(A) ... dare I wonder about the racial breakdown? 

So many more federal sentence reductions using § 3582(c)(1)(A) to report before week concludes 

Though only mid-week, another long list of new COVID-influenced federal sentence reductions using § 3582(c)(1)(A)

Time for another long list of (mostly COVID-influenced) federal sentence reductions using § 3582(c)(1)(A) 

Some additional helpful resources on compassionate release

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look, I'm not looking to blame the Hell's or absolve Laudna for what happened, but I have to ask, what did they fucking expect to happen? I'm several episodes behind, but they've all been darker, why do they think Laudna wouldn't be moments away from snapping.

They've known that Delilah was back and stronger than they've known her since before I stopped watching. They've known that Laudna was doing darker and darker things. Sometimes even encouraging it in Laudna. Some of them have actually been planning on using Delilah against the vanguard and ludanis.

Delilah is more than just Laudna's patron, she's the one who murdered her, who has been in her head for 30 years, her only actual companion. the power she offers is addicting, the words she whispers in Laudna's head are poison, and she can't escape from it. They all decided that Laudna's sanity was worth gambling with to try and use her as a weapon.

The Hell's care for Laudna, but they still ignored what's best for her to help save the world and are seeing the results. She is far from innocent, and it is only right for her to deal with the consequences, but they've all been willingly ignorant to the delilah situation and it blew up in their faces

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The thing Chetney says to laudna about orym suffering more than her is bullshit. Now, before anyone gets pissy, this is by no means an attack on Chetney or Travis. It's just that the sentiment has always bothered me, even when I see it in other media. This is also not me defending laudna. I don't think orym was right, but I feel like he was more right and laudna threw away any leg she had ti stand on when she attacked him. I just want to clear the air because this fandom never hesitates to attack someone for having differing opinions and I want to make my point clear.

The thing with suffering is both orym and laudna have suffered, but I don't think anyone has the right to judge on whose suffering is worse, especially when it's so big like what the two of them are carrying around. Sure, with small examples, x broke a finger while y broke their hand, you can easily tell y suffered more, or in situations with huge discrepancies; x stubbed a toe while y's house burned down, again it's clear that y is suffering more.

But life isn't easy or simple, neither is laudna and orym's conflict. Like what if x lost their husband, y lost their child, and z lost their parents, who do you say suffered more. You're allowed to pick the one you empathize with more, that's what most people do, but people aren't wrong if you pick x and they pick y or z.

The thing with what Chet said, is that it isn't helpful to measure suffering when it gets big. And I am well aware that Chetney probably meant specifically in regards to the sword, but even then I think it's more complicated than people think. You can't just weigh how characters suffered like they're on a scale and whoever is heavier is the one who suffered more and is therefore right. Sure you can say on Orym's side, the blade killed him, his father figure, and his husband while on Laudna's side she was killed by the blade, but that's still 1 person to 3 so Orym suffered more and is right in their conflict.

What if someone says, well I don't care about Will and Derrig, Will was just an npc who died in Orym's backstory that we never met while Derrig was just Liam's character for a one shot, to them it's not actually 3 deaths vs 1 it's the equivalent of 1 vs 1 again or 1.2 vs 1. I don't like this idea but I have seen this, or at least something like it in other arguments when the CR fandom broke so I am bringing it up. The same people might say Orym and Laudna both died to Otahan and that sword, but Orym was dead for less than a minute and brought back. But Laudna was dead for days and trapped in her worst memories by Delilah, she knows that if Delilah is around even death won't be a release from her suffering. Therefore Laudna suffered more and is right.

People can keep going back and forth forever and a day with bringing up examples of why the character they feel has suffered more and are therefore right. It doesn't change that everyone has Biases and will chose the character they can defend more. In truth, both Laudna and Orym suffered at the hands of the sword and it's something they needed to talk about but they both decided they were right and made the choice for everyone else. Because they're both incredibly broken, they've hidden it away from the party so they took the worst way to do things instead of talking. When they spoke they didn't talk to each other, they talked at each other which didn't help.

Chetney was wrong to say that Orym suffered more than Laudna, he was wrong to say that to Laudna of all people. It doesn't make him a bad person by any means, it doesn't mean he's wrong either, just he believes that. But it didn't help, and actually hindered the two of them because they both can only focus on their own pain and even if it's just in their own heads turns it into a suffering dick measuring contest.

All this ranting is a long, round about way to say, suffering is complicated and you can't just measure it empirically because you want to. People are complex and suffering is incredibly complex, you can't just compare and contrast two traumas and act like one is better than the other. I'm just getting this out there because every time there's character conflict the fandom breaks down and picks sides instead of accepting that both characters could be in the wrong. It's interesting in universe as a rp moment and I can't wait to see where it's going personally.