#codependent winchesters

[i-already-know-im-going-2-hell]

I think something that just occured to me is I don't think people realize how like, not normal codependent relationships are, even platonic ones.

Like, if you look at the Winchesters and call them codependent and stop there to explain their weirdness, you're not wrong, but like codependent implies that some natural relationship lines are being crossed.

Maybe they're not sexual, but codependent implies extremes regardless. These are not normal levels of emotion. These are not normal levels of need of the others closeness, emotional, physical, or otherwise. These are unhealthy, excessive, levels of interpersonal need.

Meaning that even if you don't define Sam and Dean as the erotically codependent beings angels canonically assign them as, these are not normal or healthy siblings.

They are self and peer reviewed codependent weirdos. Honestly, who actually cares if they're fucking, that's the least weird thing about their fucked up relationships.

Dean overriding his little brothers autonomy in a metaphor for allowing Sam to be raped just so that Sam will stay alive and Dean won't lose him? Much much weirder and darker than just them fucking.

Sam turning to a incessant murder machine everytime his brother dies fully in either a need to seek revenge or a need to make a trickster give him back? Yeah trust me, the blow jobs would be more normal.

Like, truly, codependent is not the cop out you think it is. By acknowledging they are, you are acknowledging they have an unhealthy, unnormal, weird relationship. One that according to the definition from the dictionary, is often times used to describe partners:

I just, truly, if this is how people view their siblings, I'm begging them to do some introspection or use like a therapist as a sounding board to see if their relationship with their siblings is healthy. Because if you look at Sam and Dean and see an average sibling relationship that's the same as yours and your siblings, then I'm concerned. And you should be concerned too

[hum-suffer]

Obsessed with how protective Dean and Sam Winchester are of eachother. It's not enough that they live in eachother's pockets, they will absolutely murder anyone just to make sure that their brother stays with them and wow no one did codependency as well as those two tall ass emotionally constipated idiots

[dark-dragon-8]

Everyone is always like "Sam and Dean should have a better, healthier relationship" (even though majority of what makes them Sam and Dean is their codependency and extreme loyalty to one another and taking that away from them will be flat out mischaracterization)

When in reality, they should just learn to let more people into their dynamic/relationship, so that they 𝘢𝘯𝘥 Castiel could be weird freaks that are extremely codependent on each other 𝘵𝘰𝘨𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳.

My boy betrayed Heaven and went against God for 𝘣𝘰𝘵𝘩 of them. He threatened the one person that could actually give him enough power to take over Heaven and become God, whether it be by giving him souls from Hell or finding Purgatory, for 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮, he considers both Dean 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘚𝘢𝘮 his friends. He believed he should die because of what he did 𝘵𝘰 𝘚𝘢𝘮.

Sure, he has a close relationship with Dean, I'm not going to refute that, but he cares for Sam just as much and just because he likes Dean more doesn't mean he doesn't have love for Sam as well!! (platonic or otherwise). Everyone has a favorite, I can confidently say Dean is Castiel's favorite, but I see too many people completely ignore Sam when it comes to Castiel and Dean's relationship, when in reality Sam and Cas were just as close. Sam believed in Castiel when Dean didn't, just like Dean believed in Castiel when Sam didn't. Castiel has been shown to be emotionally vulnerable with both brothers and that vulnerability went both ways.

Castiel and Sam both share a lot of interests and have a close friendship. Castiel took away Sam's hallucinations and mental struggles regarding Lucifer and made them his own, so that he won't have to suffer from them again.

Stop treating Sam as a third wheel/disposable character and start treating him like the major part of their lives that he is!!! Stop treating his relationship and dynamic with both Castiel 𝘢𝘯𝘥 Dean as anything other than that mess of trust, love, codependency, hurt, care, family and friendship that it is!!!!

Regardless of whether you see those relationships as platonic or romantic, you should give him his place beside them because that's what he deserves, what they 𝘢𝘭𝘭 deserve, they wouldn't have been where they are without each other and that includes Sam.

[according2thelore]

illustration based on lizzy’s fic: “me and you together together together”

Submission for Day 1 of the @wincestwednesdays September Flash Event -- "Lost"

this was so fun to draw and I’m glad that I scrambled to switch concepts last minute! she’s sketchier than normal but I wanted to get something out today :)

[inbredbrotherhood]

nothing quite as good as the way Dean seeks Sam’s pleasure like it’s his own. Fingers buried to the hilt, overstimulation to the point of tears and risk of wetting the bed but it’s worth it — there’s nothing better than watching Sam, all baby-brother soft and moaning, relax and gentle at the end of each orgasm.

[hbo--spn]

Every Day, We Find a New Way to Cope ~

https://archiveofourown.org/works/48049423

Dean finds out something about Sam he never knew before -- Amongst other things.

They stand there, for what feels like forever, while the other waits for someone to make a move. He is waiting for me, Sam realises. Dean won't be the first one to make the move, he wants it to happen, so bad. He would never be the first one to make that choice, Dean wanted to drag Sam down to hell with him, but only if Sam did it with a smile.

In their childhood, there were no distractions, no friends, just each other. Of course they ended up fucking in a run-down neon lit hotel room at 3am after going out to the bar and picking fights for money. There was no way around it. But John didn’t want to see the product of his neglect, he wanted to pretend. And he would fucking pretend until the day he died.

[soggedboytroutanti]

Spn fic I wrote

Introspection, sam pov

[oh-whenyouloveit]

Argh I’m just thinking about Sam and Rowena and how gentle they end up being with each other. How much drama it would cause if they got more time together, how much Dean would have hated it having someone treat Sam well and respect him and show him you can be loved without a fist in the face.

How much Crowley would have lost his mind at his mother being accepted and valued by the one who got away™️, maybe being a little Mommyish to him, maybe she could love Sam in the way Crowley always wanted from her.

Dean and Crowley on the sidelines covertly commiserating like a first wives club.

[hum-suffer]

And now people will ask for destiel to be the only focus on re-spn (if that happens)

My darling person, the show was about two brothers. Where is my gigantic nerd boy Sam? Why is your narration screwed to the point where you give Sam no personality while he is the only person who is so important to Dean that Dean would have killed Cas permanently if it saved Sam from something? (Don't lie, we all know it's true) and I'm not saying I want Cas dead or not revived or something. Save Cas, yeah, but do not commit crimes against my baby boy, Sam 'Raised by my big brother' Winchester and my sweetheart, Dean 'I was his parent and sibling, all in one' Winchester

[according2thelore]

HOLY shit you should write a time travel fic!!!! I want to see them all locked in the bunker together….. ES Sam and LS Dean watching their alt selves sew themselves together with horror and jealousy. ES Sam seeing LS Sam and thinking it’s the worst saddest thing he’s ever seen in his life.

I also think LS Sam and Dean fight more violently when they do fight? At least if we’re comparing season 1 and, like, 10, but even like s14. ES them watching that with a mixture of fury but also like. It’s unfortunately hot.

hello!!!!

i have actually been gently nurturing a ES!Dean and LS!Sam fic for months like coaxing a deer out of the woods. It's slow work and every time I open the doc it flees but ARGH!!! I HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THEM!!!!!!!!!!! hopefully i will be able to finish it soon

but all of them TOGETHER??? omg...your brain...is so big...let's discuss

ES!Sam would be ripping himself apart in jealousy, and would not even really know why. both deans flock to sam like he's the axis of the world, like he's the only person to ever exist, like he's some kind of god that drips sun from his fingers.

he's never seen his dean this vulnerable and weird and desperate for approval (not even recognizing that dean has also been desperately seeking his approval but whatever), and he HATES LS!Sam for it. he's openly hostile, and keeps making rude comments at him that make ES!Dean so angry lol.

bc LS!Sam also gave up on their dream! he doesn't even pretend to want to get out of hunting. he lives in a secret bunker and sleeps with guns under his pillow and talks of their father with warm hesitation like 'yeah he was messed up but he was good' and sam can't stand him. and he looks at his brother (both of them now, young and old like some weird mirror) like he's never seen anything more worthy. it makes sam sick, because he sees this as a defeat. LS!Sam is a coward, who gave up. not for wanting dean, but for betraying everything he's stood for for twenty-odd years.

(he doesn't know, of course, that sam has the life he wants)

LS!Dean, however, would know exactly why he's so fucking furious. and because ES!Dean is still dean, he'd be so mean to his younger self lol. he'd purposefully stop talking when his younger self walks in, keeps trying to separate he and LS!Sam, keeps trying to leave him behind on stuff so he can have 100% of sam's attention and love and concern again.

which i think LS!Sam would not tolerate lmao. he sees the kicked-puppy-earnest look in young dean and it's like sticking a steak in front of a starving man--he cannot resist!!!

LS!Dean makes ES!Dean more appealing to LS!Sam by being mean to him and ES!Sam makes ES!Dean more defensive of and devoted to LS!Sam by being mean to him lol

it's a lot of deans and sams to keep up with but they would be so tangled and messy

ES!Sam and LS!Dean keep catching each others' eyes when LS!Sam and ES!Dean are being sappy or open w each other, lips curled in jealousy. and at first it's some kind of twisted camaraderie, but at the end, LS!Dean walks up to ES!Sam because, god, he'd dreamed about this kid for years.

he's missed how angry sam used to be, how much faith he had in himself and his convictions, how passion lights him up all the time and not just when they're alone.

and maybe he claps a hand on sammy's shoulder and god, when did dean's hands get so big? when did he develop smile lines and crow's feet and scruff at his jawline? and why does it make sam feel like this?

the first time that LS!Sam&Dean fight, ES!Sam&Dean are absolutely gobsmacked. bc every fight with them is An End Of The World Fight. it's messy and personal and hurtful, only low blows, and barely-not-teary and you're-my-brother-i'll-let-the-world-burn and when did they start saying that shit out loud?? and dean watches the way LS!Sam towers over him, how his fists clench and his eyes flash and his lip curls and...uh-oh. and sam can't look away from how strong LS!dean is, how he carries himself like a blade and not a person and jesus christ.

LS!Sam&Dean would see the way that ES!Sam&Dean dance around each other, but how painfully earnest they are all the time, how cocky they are, and how narrow their idea of "things that can go wrong" is and it's heart-breaking but also...bolstering? reassuring? hopeful?

not to woobify dean, but i genuinely think that he Would Need LS!Sam's Approval Like He Needs To Breathe. i think LS!Sam would genuinely be charmed by this like one is charmed by a dog tripping over its own feet. and ES!Sam and LS!Dean are sick with jealousy abt how openly they let themselves need each other.

anyway. this is probably nothing. it's word vomit. but you get it!!!!!! anon <3 lovely anon <3 mwah

-lizzy

(ES = early seasons, LS = later seasons, for those who missed the last post here)

[angeloftuesdayy]

"and after all the things we put each other through and I would drive on to the end with you"

[the-dormant-ocean]

Sam, suddenly walking into Dean's room: Hey, what are you listening to?

Dean, listening to one of the +500 recordings he has of Sam breathing and mumbling in his sleep to help himself fall asleep when they don't share a room: Uhhhhh, PORN!

[swsoulmatesdw]

Dean being desperate for Sam… the way he grabs him, pulls him in, touches him… is just the icing on the codependent, erotic, crazy cake that is the brothers’ show.

[dark-dragon-8]

They are unstable and codependent on one another, of course they're going to stick by the routine they had since Sam was a literal baby, and that routine was Dean taking care of Sam and Sam listening to and following Dean around because he was the only person he spent enough time with to actually trust him.

how can people think that sam is a top, he constantly is trying to prove himself to his brother. he obeys all commands. he worships dean. he sees himself as small, and restrained. he doesn't use his power over people. sam doesn't speak his mind, he rarely does. sam who is a follower, cannot be a leader, cannot control someone. he especially cannot have any control over dean, it's such a big theme in their relationship, whatever dean says, is true. dean's words are like gospel to sam, he drinks them up and follows them. he even let's dean speak for him to other people. sam is a bottom. thank you, I rest my case.

[the-mpreg-guy]

really fucking tragic that we saw dean have to live without cas after he died multiple times but cas didn’t go through a widowers arc even once

[flowersintheimpala69]

Compilation of wincest Moments I think about all the time