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[realclemhours]

Random post but these two really love each other and I am very normal about it

[realclemhours]

Hiiiii okay original asker here

I agree with pretty much everything you said. ESPECIALLY the stuff relating to Papyrus knowing there is bad in the world but CHOOSING to always see the good instead. That’s one of like the many many reasons he hits home for me now that I am older and revisiting Undertale.

I kinda wanted to explain my point about Papyrus lying though since in my ask and knowing how the fandom is/was my what I meant didn’t entirely come across.

What I mean by Papyrus lying is necessarily a whole like “oh he’s secretly a completely different person and everything is an act” because I do think a lot of what Papyrus says is genuinely how he feels 9/10. Like he is very sweet, optimistic, energetic, goofball, autistic, type of guy, and I think his lies are actually because of those traits.

Like for example one phone call happens outside Alphys’s lab Papyrus doesn’t know what a lab is at all when Sans is around, but when you go inside the lab Papyrus CLEARLY knows what one is.

This could easily be more over analyzing a joke/one detail Toby missed when writing, but it still is kinda strange regardless. I personally feel like the reason he’s lying about something so simple to Sans is to just humor him and “play younger brother” in a way to make Sans happy.

That isn’t really my best evidence but a more solid piece is when calling in Grillby’s with Undyne Papyrus switches up on talking about how he hates Grillby’s to how he loves grease because of Undyne. That’s in the same conversation, so no weird jokes or missed details there.

And we see something similar in MTT resort. Papyrus states he never wants to go to a vacation yet when Undyne is there he says he would like to go on with her when she brings up the idea.

There’s a theme here. Papyrus sometimes (not always ofc) has a tendency to lie to others in order to make them happier.

And ironically enough I think this is best shown in the King Papyrus ending and genocide.

In the King Papyrus ending, he no joke checks to make sure Sans is gone before opening up his worries to Frisk. That his friends are on “vacation”. I agree that he also knows and is in denial about it. He is lying to himself and hiding the fact he knows from Sans.

And after he pauses for a bit, Papyrus swears they are going to escape and these lines.

Which first of all OUCH kills me, but this coming right after his doubts to me at least shows he is willing to stay in denial because he has to. He is the only one with any bit of hope. He has to keep hope so he can give everyone else hope. If he doesn’t who could possibly give the rest of the underground hope?

Meanwhile in genocide, if you spare Papyrus and abort the genocide run, he reveals he was actually afraid. He knew it was a real possibility that you were going to kill him but genuinely believed that kindness could be the one thing that stops you enough that he hid his fear. Which ough again is why I love Papyrus so much and that scene kills me. Regardless of the handful of lies he tells he genuinely believes in good no matter what.

So putting all of that together, I believe it paints a pretty good interpretation of Papyrus. He lies for the good of others. He will hide contrasting opinions, fears, worries, and doubts all for the sake of others around him. Of course again, this doesn’t mean that everything he says is a lie just that he tends to do this sometimes.

That leads me back to my original ask finally. I was originally asking because like oh think of all the fun ideas and angst material of him having to deal with that and hiding it from everyone so no one worries about him.

However, you are right. If Papyrus knew about resets, not much would change. He truly believes in good no matter what, so why would resets be an exception? He likely believes that whatever powers at be will eventually use their power for good. So yeah nothing would change. Hell maybe if he did know the reason he doesn’t saying anything is because he feels like there isn’t a need to.

Anyway, this was a lovely conversation. I love seeing fellow Papyrus lovers who understand his character and why is actually probably one of the best characters in all of fiction (/hj) because despite everything he actively chooses to believe in good.

Like look me in the eyes and tell me that this beast isn’t wonderful

I know this isn’t canon in undertale or this au, but just imagining Papyrus knowing about resets to an extent because part of him was split across time and space, and he just hides that from everyone so he can be “everyone’s good old innocent Papyrus with 0 problems” is such a fun idea to me.

I HAVE SO MANY THOUGHTS ON THIS THOUGH- BECAUSE WHAT IF IT WAS CANON???

Excuse me while I use this to make an analysis of Papyrus’ character- i didn’t choose this life. This happened to me.

PAPYRUS AND RESETS.

The main question I ask on the debate of if Papyrus is aware of resets or not, is…if Papyrus, as we know him…doesn’t know about resets…Then would learning about that…change ANYTHING about the way he is now?

The most obvious trait of Papyrus is that he’s INCREDIBLY optimistic. He’s one to go in with his head held high, and keep it raised for basically his entire life. Everything he does is incredibly light hearted, and this leads to a lot of accidental flanderization and misremembering of his character. But to get more into that, I wanna address how Papyrus and Sans contrast and are foils to one another. They are complete polar opposites…and yet… SO alike. In their little bits they do in the Snowdin Forest puzzles, Sans doesn’t take anything seriously, while Papyrus takes EVERYTHING seriously, but in the end it’s all light hearted. I know some of that comes from just the games general tone, but I like to think some of it is part of their genuine character.

Analyzing characters in Undertale can sometimes be a tad frustrating in that way, since its hard to tell which jokes have meaning and which jokes are just jokes.

But back to my original point, Papyrus sometimes gets very mad, sometimes very confused, but seems to either flip on a switch with anger, or just roll with confusion, as seen with Papyrus being “mad” at Sans, or confused at what Undyne is saying on certain phone calls. He’s just naturally a very happy person.

Thats where the common trope of Papyrus lying about everything and actually being a completely different person from whats shown in the game comes in. I think thats inherently a tad silly, since “I lied.” is a bit of a lazy twist. THATS NOT TO SAY HES NOT DEFINITELY GOT SOME WEIRD SUSPICIOUS THINGS ABOUT HIM Its just to throw all of his actions in the game out the window in favor of “he was acting” “he was lying” is not how I like to analyze him (but if you do, more power to ya :D) (Some also argue that Sans is just like that, but I disagree since in the geno route when its properly revealed just how much he knows about resets, it completely makes sense and is more like an answer to a question we had for the longest time. WHAT does he know?? cause he clearly knows something. Additionally, in that fight, Sans doesn’t at all come across as a completely different person, its more like we’re getting to know him better. See a side that he’s buried for the longest time since he never thought it would come to this. Or at least hopes to god it wouldn’t)

Papyrus’ optimism/pacifism both comes across as naive, and extremely admirable. It takes different forms in different settings and perspectives, Flowey dismisses it as stupid, but thats because he’s Flowey- Sans genuinely admires it for several reasons which ill get into later! And Undyne��uhh…honestly i cant tell how she feels about that, just that she cares an awful lot about him and thinks itll get him killed one day (*cries vehemently*)

But my main point here is in the usual game/pacifist route, its very clearly established that Papyrus has a heart of gold and sometimes that can get exploited on how he is the one constant moving factor to help the route actually happen in helping Flowey set everything up. It’s lowkey giving foreshadowing on how he may be the knight in deltarune because of- OKAY OKAY- PUT DOWN THE GUN

Getting exploited is one of the downsides we see in the pacifist route, but in the geno, we get a VERY clear look into how far he is willing to take his faith in others. His willingness to see good in people is tested, and its established he doesn’t have a single distrustful bone in his body, always believing in people to change. It’s never “too late”. Even after you kill him too

This is HOW Papyrus would know about resets comes in

The King Papyrus ending is a moment in the game that I have many opinions on that disagree with a LOT with a big portion of the fandom (at least last time I checked)

Papyrus not being told about his friend's death, leads to 2 big assumptions about his GENERAL CHARACTER THAT I DISAGREE WITH. Sans lies to Papyrus on a daily basis, and Papyrus doesnt understand what death is. These are things that work in to fit every day life, and are proven by happening WHEN ALL OF HIS FRIENDS ARE DEAD 😭

I feel these are more a result of Papyrus’ unwavering trust, which can be certainly admired in a lot of ways, but of course, used, too. Even if people agree with me on that unwavering trust part, people still use that as ammunition for Sans lying to him being an often occurrence. But- Sans… right now- is being put in a REALLY bad spot. Telling his brother to his face that all his friends are dead isn't something I think anyone wants to do. So, him lying to Papyrus isn’t exactly proof that he thinks little of him in any way, it's more his desire to protect a person he loves from knowing a horrible truth, and having the opportunity to do so on a silver fukn platter. But even then it feels like Papyrus still knows…he’d just rather accept whatever Sans tells him. Thats Papyrus’ ONE AND ONLY FLAW

Papyrus also seems like he naturally thinks very black and white? and by black and white I mean only white.

The common consensus on his character is he only SEES good, but just like the assumption of how things work in daily life being attached to how these characters act when someone comes down and kills all their loved ones, I think thats working on a very surface level character-moral-compass. Its not that he only sees the good, its that he believes in the good no matter what. There may be bad, but good can and will, prevail

Papyrus sees and knows that people have the ABILITY to lie, he just also believes they are telling the truth when they say something like “I promise this is 100% true” because he still trusts everyone, and trusts himself to handle whatever happens as a result.

Papyrus sees that the world may never truly have an ending, but he believes that things will turn out eventually.

Papyrus is not stupid, he’s optimistic.

and also autistic

[realclemhours]

My hot take about the Typhlosion thing because I’m tired of seeing the same take over and over again.

So some things people need to keep in mind:

1. All those stories were SCRAPPED ie. non-cannon. It isn’t “lore”

2. Those stories was likely made decades ago by one or a few employees. It’s not like they were created by higher-ups at game freak themselves. They were likely told or came up with the idea to make folklore to put into the games and those freaky stories are just ideas they came up with

3. Even if they were cannon, it’s likely they didn’t actually happen. They read a lot more like tall tales or folk lore, which can get pretty gross or messed up, but again are things that didn’t happen and are just meant to be stories

Anyways, are these still gross and shocking? Absolutely. Is it valid that any Pokémon in these stories be ruined for people? 100%. Do I condone or like any of the things that were written? Absolutely not

I just think people need to put the recent leaked stories into perspective more. That these were made by at most a few random employees decades ago to act as weird inappropriate folklore that was rightfully scrapped and isn’t and never was cannon. I’m tired of people taking this as officially part of Pokémon lore that Gamefreak themselves were in charge of when that likely isn’t further from the truth

[realclemhours]

YEAH OKAY NO NO YOU SAID WHAT I HAVE BEEN THINKING SINCE I GOT BACK INTO UTDR.

It is so crazy to me that like Dreamtale is a story about like two brothers and the brothers are both Sanses. Like hmmmm if only Sans already had a brother… HMMM IF ONLY SANS ALREADY HAD A BROTHER THAT IS IN THE GAME AND IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT CHARACTER IN SAID GAME???

That and like Reapertale… like looking at everyone being given a reasonable thing to be God of that is pretty simple and then Papyrus is just… God of PAINLESS death?? That is a real God in Greek Mythology but it feels like the creator just made him death 2 because making Sans the grim reaper is just too good to pass up. I get like wanting them to match but Painless Death is so lame…

Also obligatory Glitchtale mention because it still pisses me off that like Papyrus keeps like getting his ass kicked in that show and had to be saved by Sans and Gaster (EVEN THOUGH THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THE SANS FIGHT IS THAT SANS IS PLAYING DIRTY AND MANIPULATING GAME MECHANICS TO GIVE HIMSELF A CHANCE BECAUSE HE IS ACTUALLY WEAK-) that and his whole idea of like finding good in everyone is just completely irrelevant because they just murder the main villain and Papyrus would be dead if they didn’t

I will add on like one more thing though- I stumbled on a newer au called Dr.Meglo that goes about like having Papyrus despite Sans being the main focus correctly. The au focuses on Sans and Alphys so Papyrus isn’t seen too much, but he still serves a very important role, he ends up giving one of the most emotional moments in that comic and giving Sans the will to fight. Like if you wanna have a Sans focused au that is cool but Papyrus should still be important in some way

Also don’t even get me started on Bad Brother or Dusttale or DustBelief good god those are so out of character to me

heartbreaking sans was the breakout undertale character and so many aus left papyrus in the baby dumpster. HES A GOOD CHARACTER

YES I AGREE!!! listen I don't mind Sans aus but like I would fw them waaaayyy harder if they included Papyrus. I personally love both brothers equally (and take joy and whimsy in their characters respectively for different reasons) so if you include one and not the other it's kind of a bummer 👎

Let's use Dreamtale for an example. The idea itself isn't actually that bad and is an interesting idea for an Undertale au... but then instead of taking the two main brother characters and making them Sans and Papyrus (who are BROTHERS), they just make them two Sanses. That ruins it for me. Why can't Nightmare be Sans and Dream be Papyrus?? That would literally swoon so many fucking people dude.

Horrortale skelebros are by far some of the most mischaracterized skelebros out there. People will make Sans this cannibalistic sibling beater and Papyrus super innocent and/or non-existent. Not only is Sans NOT a cannibal in this au (the comic literally shows the mental turmoil he puts himself through in his effort to not eat human) but Papyrus is a super prevalent character and like. Is NOT innocent?? maybe a little oblivious but even then that's a stretch.

Fanon Underswap is straight up just a missed opportunity to make Sans and Papyrus even more badass than they already are

Don't even get me STARTED on the shit people do to Underfell. Like no actually, Sans and Papyrus are not in an abusive relationship in this au. In fact, they're basically the same characters except slightly edgier and they make penis jokes. Underfell Papyrus is literally described as not understanding puns unless they're "evil puns". That's fucking hilarious and you cannot tell me that man beats the shit out of his brother

The plot of Farmtale is HIGHLY underrated. The idea is that when monsters got out of the Underground, there were very little/no humans left and all humans civilization was destroyed, therefore monsters had to build their town from scratch and learn to farm. That's fucking cool actually??

Where do I even begin with Reapertale. How come everyone has a cool role EXCEPT Papyrus?? Do you know how much of a fucking fumble that is??? Do you know the potential that was wasted???? Why is Sans The God of Death and Papyrus is essentially The Second God of Death But For Painless Deaths(tm)? That's stupid. You're stupid. Greek mythology fucking did it right why can't Reapertale. Make Papyrus the fucking God of Limbo or something weird. I want Papyrus to be uncomprehensible like a biblically accurate angel but also simultaneously be the most forgiving thing to ever exist. Why can't he be the God of Consciousness or some other obscure shit and he's the only thing allowing humans to have the freedom to consciously make good or bad decisions for themselves.

[realclemhours]

My Roman Empire is Sans lying to Papyrus about everyone being dead and Papyrus in denial over what actually happened and hiding the fact he knows from Sans. All so he can still have hope and give everyone else hope.

[realclemhours]

Random hot take but looking back on it I kinda don’t really like those Possessed! Papyrus au’s. Tbf hindsight it’s 2025, but still I feel like making Flowey take advantage of Papyrus to kill everyone like that making it seem “stupid” to trust him just idk? It’s not that like I feel like Flowey is incapable of hurting Papyrus or taking advantage of him (that is literally cannon lmao), but I feel like those au’s kinda miss the point of the game weirdly??

Because although Papyrus does get taken advantage of, we now know thanks to the cut alarm app dialogue that he still sees Flowey as a friend. His companion ship actually leaves an impact on Flowey. Even if he doesn’t see Papyrus as a friend, he still sees Papyrus somewhat kindly. Why else would he somewhat fondly talk about how it took a long time to get tired of him? Why else would he continue to wear the ribbon Papyrus gave him?

Even though Flowey is a monster, Papyrus does exactly what Frisk/the player does in pacifist, he shows Flowey kindness. The whole point of the game is to show that even terrible people deserve forgiveness and can become better people. That kindness isn’t weakness.

And like Possessed! Papyrus kinda doesn’t show that imo. Because Papyrus’s friendship DID leave an impact on Flowey no matter how small, and those au’s kinda ignore that.

So yeah no hate to anyone who made those au’s or likes them ofc just my take I randomly realized while exhausted.

Will give the au this though, being “possessed” by a flower using its vines to forcefully move your body while you are still 100% conscious and unable to do anything is horrifying and I like that concept a lot.

[realclemhours]

Random thing but I wanna draw one of those “Sans has a night terror” comics because I think the core concept is really sweet and I am a sucker for hurt/comfort.

HOWEVER-

I would tweak it to be more in character. The night terrors premise is based on Sans remembering resets which he can’t and him like crying like a baby which is also just not how he acts lmao

I would wanna make it more in character where his nightmare is about some ambiguous anomaly making him and everyone he loves suffer just for the sake of it and being powerless to stop it.

And instead of crying he is just silently shocked and scared awake and pours himself some coffee which he hasn’t done since his lab days/since Papyrus was little

You know that sort of thing?

Also unrelated WIP

[realclemhours]

Ayo what the fuck-

Okay okay hold up let me be insane for a second. No offense to Anon btw. I just like discussing. Opinions are valid.

So like first of all I would actually consider Papyrus like one of the nicest characters in Undertale. Nice ≠ Flawless though!!!!!

Papyrus above all else believes in good and that people CAN change if they just try. Hell he is willing to die for that belief. You cannot tell me that some guy willingly risking his life facing down a mass murderer because he genuinely believes in the fact that kindness can change someone for the better is a prick or at the very least one of the nicer characters in Undertale.

Not to mention the King Papyrus ending where he is keeping himself in denial about everyone’s deaths just so he can have hope to give to the rest of the underground.

Also there’s tons of wholesome stuff he says to the player.

Oh yeah no what a prick lmao.

I mean he does have moments I guess??? Like having an ego, getting onto Sans (that’s just brothers being brothers though lmao), and like one phone dialogue (and it’s one of my favorites too. It’s just him being teasing with Undyne. You know- LIKE HOW FRIENDS WOULD)

But even stuff like his ego isn’t really being a prick. In his date/hangout he will wrongly come to the conclusion that you are obsessed with him and instead of like advocating for you to keep going and boost his ego. He doesn’t want that for you because he is aware that is unhealthy and even offers to help you make new friends/dates.

Plus, RACIST????? EXCUSE ME??? That is insane??? Yeah sure the fact he calls you human might be a bit weird…??? But outside of that there is nothing racist about him. The only thing he sees you as is his friend after you befriend him. He never blames all of humanity for what happened. Hell in the King Papyrus ending he actually has the most mature look on how humans should be dealt. He says that they’ll deal with them on a case by case basis. Not all humans are good but not all are bad either (sure he is giving them puzzles regardless but still point still stands).

But also I will say I agree with some stuff. I wish people did address stuff like him lying to fit in at times, his temper, and the times he teases his friends. As much as I will argue for how kind Papyrus is, I don’t want him being stripped down to “sweet innocent man child” either.

Anyways yeah no disrespect to anon but I am just a bit confused how you got to these conclusions buddy

Transcript: i am genuinely so tired of the interpretation of papyrus that's like "nice, sweetheart. kindest character i the game. he'd never hurt a fly." cuz that's just not true. at all.

every main character not named mettaton or flowey is nice to you, papyrus is not noticeably nicer then anyone. alphys is much nicer then him, and toriel is nicer then both of them COMBINED.

maybe this is just me, but i seriously think he's actually kinda a prick. not an asshole or mean. like he's kinda a prick the way SANS is kinda a prick.

pap is pretty short-tempered, which i feel like people have completely forgotten about, he's pretty fuckin snarky all things considered, also- i NEVER see people bring this up, he is arguably one of the more racist characters. not to undyne's level obviously, but it's still pretty obvious imo. he is the ONE character who continually calls frisk "human" even after befriending them. i'm pretty sure he calls them "human" after true pacifist too.

that's it. let my man be kinda a piece of shit.

[realclemhours]

Anyways yeah gunna go on a tangent here because I’ve been thinking about this since I started Delicious in Dungeon.

I’m not sure if Laios is my favorite (it’s honestly like a tie between Laios, Marcielle, Senshi, and Falin), but he does mean the most to me.

For context I’m autistic, and like I have struggled with things like showing emotions, showing that I care, or finding the right words to console or tell people I love them. I do care. I know the people close to me know I do. It’s just hard to get across.

And then we have Laios, which oh wow oh my god does that oddly specific thing I mentioned above perfectly. It’s so surreal to have like a character represent such a specific thing I deal with so well. He does care and is a sweet guy. He just says inappropriate things at times not understanding why it’s bad because he’s bad at social cues or he just doesn’t openly express he cares like most people would.

Like at first it kind comes off that he doesn’t care about Falin’s potential death or care for her that much because he really doesn’t freak out about it most of the trip, but we see again and again he does care. He regrets what happened and wishes he was the one who got eaten instead, he strongly tells her to never be so reckless again, he is willing to go on such a risky trip with low party members and no supplies so they can even have a chance of saving her. The thing is he does care a lot. He just isn’t actively panicking 24/7, not because he’s trying to hide his emotions, he’s just the type of guy to not express himself like that and this is just. Damn. So good to me?

I could go on a whole other tangent about how his (potential) autism while getting him into trouble at times, also is a massive help since it not only gives info on how to defeat monsters, but also allows him to do/see things outside of the box most neurotypical people never could, but I’ll save that for another time.

Anyways yeah, thank you Ryoko Kui for one of the most relatable characters to me that represents experiences I’ve had better than a lot of cannonical autistic characters

[realclemhours]

Last second deltarune predictions‼️Go‼️

Safe Bets‼️

There are multiple knights (Chapter 1 and 2 are the same knight, Chapter 3 is Kris, and honestly Chapter 4 may be the pastor/Alvin)

We will not be going to school in Chapter 3

Whoever Mike is will make an appearance in Chapter 3

Mettaton Ghost form reveal in Chapter 3

Out There Shit‼️

Papyrus is chapter 4 and he is either a child/around main cast’s age or very introverted

Alphys and Undyne go on a date in chapter 3 or 4

Toriel has Sans over offscreen in chapters 3 or 4

Branching off from weird route… Noelle will be the one spearheading figuring what the fuck is wrong with Kris (and maybe get the help of other classmates?)

Weird Route for Chapter 3 or 4 will involve manipulating some npc that is not in the party

Monster Kid or Katie(if I remember correctly(?) The cat one) are the ones most likely to get involved in dark world shenanigans I think

Secret boss for chapter 4 will be something angelic

Chapter 4 dark world will be either in the church or graveyard

Chapter 4 will be the turning point chapter where everyone starts to realize “Ayo the dark world is kinda horrifying actually”

The Dark World feeds off of Lightners Desires

PAPYRUS IS ONE OF THE KNIGHTS-(they take me away in a straight jacket)

[realclemhours]

Hey so I finished Dungeon Meishi (manga included) and I wanna have a 3 a.m ramble about some of my thoughts about the ending

MANGA SPOILERS FOR THE ENDING BELOW THE CUT‼️

Okay so the ending honestly left me a tad disappointed. Don’t get me wrong there was still a ton of shit I loved and I am willing to hear people out who love this ending and get it more than I do, but first let me get into the things I do like.

The winged lion was such a fantastic final villain. The way it sweet talked genuinely made it sound so supportive that I kept flip-flopping on whether or not he was telling the truth despite FULLY knowing at this point that it was evil.

Laios turning into the beast he had designed since childhood, making one last change so he could eat desires, and using that to consume the wing lion was such an amazing play.

Everyone showing up after Laios ran away, then finding him, and Shuro hugging and showing pride in him was just so oughhhhh made me tear up a bit.

I absolutely LOVED the Itzusumi chapter where she asked all the main characters what they were going to do after the main story and finally came to terms with doing things she didn’t want to do.

I really love that Mithrun and Thistle got closure despite being antagonists and previous dungeon lords. It shows that they were just humans who were corrupted by the dungeon and deserve to recover just like our main protags and that’s really sweet :))

Finally, I’m just happy that the orcs actually get to live on the surface now. They deserve that

Anyways those are all the major things I liked/loved, there’s some other things obviously, but let me get to my issues

Okay first of all but it feels like in the last like 20 chapters outside of Laios and Marcielle the main cast doesn’t really do much. Like yeah, they’re there and they do talk, but the only time they ever really do things is like as a group? They’re either all acting a parasite or cooking a meal or trying to catch up the winged dragon in Laios’s body or they are just doing nothing while Marcielle or Laios is doing the protag stuff.

It’s kinda disappointing to me to be honest. They’ve build such bonds and built such likeable characters only to go “uhhh actually only Laios can do anything in the final fight against the demon and the others just stand and watch confused”. Which again, while Laios’s plan was really cool I just wish the others in the main cast got to contribute to the final battle. Have them all have their little time to shine you know?

I also personally don’t like that Laios became king and the curse. I just personally kinda prefer when protags give up that sort of thing to live a simplistic life. Honestly kinda wish Kabru became king in Laios’s place, but then again if Laios didn’t step up as king Marcielle would be in jail, the orcs would still be exiled, and the current leaders of the island would still be in charge and continue to be greedy and incompetent.

So uhhhhh yeah maybe best he became king even if I’m not fond of it-

But then we have the curse, which oooooo boy. I get that like Laios has to sacrifice something great to defeat a literal demon, but losing the ability to be around monsters entirely?? I can’t fully explain why but I just really dislike it. It makes me feel just kinda sad. But not sad like it’s a bittersweet sacrifice (Hiccup losing his leg in How to Train Your Dragon comes to mind as a bittersweet sacrifice I love), but just unsatisfying? Like yeah, the protagonist saved the world and his sister is now safe but now is life is kinda miserable since he has to deal with people all the time and can never see monsters again.Hurray 🎉

Don’t get me wrong I feel like Laios should absolutely lose something from fighting the demon. Not sure what exactly (maybe his desires for food or monsters or a limb), but what they ended up going with was just kinda disappointing to me.

Anyways those are just my takeaways from the ending. Let me know if I’m missing anything, I would love to discuss and maybe get my mind changed.

Overall, did the ending ruin Dunmeshi for me? Oh absolutely not. This was such a fantastic story and world that enthralled me till the end (even if it did lose me a bit at the end). Would still genuinely give it a 10/10 despite my complaints. I liked it that much.

If you asked me to summarize how the ending made me feel in relation to the rest of the series, well I would best compare it to a meal. Most of the meal is no joke 5 star best stuff I have ever eaten in my life. Then I get to my last item… some dessert. The dessert tastes amazing- but the texture is a bit odd and it bugs me to the point where I notice and feel how weird it was. Would I still hate the rest of the meal for the one slightly weird dessert? Absolutely not! I would still recommend the meal to everyone I know even with the off dessert at the end because everything else was just that fantastic.

Anyways yeah maybe the real Dunmeshi was the friends we made along away and then ate as we faced the fear of mortality and ancient gods beyond our comprehension <3

[realclemhours]

Hi alright take another ramble because I watched the newest episode of the Game Grumps Danganronpa V3 playthrough and this is more of just an introspective dive into my feelings about this trial since I read through some comments and I wanna get my feelings out there.

Idk spoilers for V3 trial one under the cut

Okay so as I said above I both read the comments for the latest episode of the Grumps Playthrough and watched their reactions, and that made me realize that this trial is pretty polarizing and I 100% get why.

The clues leading up to the twist and the murder itself are sloppy and kind of confusing. It’s such a left turn because after you play for this character, who is the first mainline girl Danganronpa protag btw, for only one chapter with seemingly no indication she is now suddenly the murderer you guys have been looking for the whole time. To add insult to injury, the new protagonist is now the guy sidekick, so yeah not great.

However- despite all it’s misses, despite how I know this trial is objectively sloppy, I still really get into Chapter 1 of V3. Even knowing what was coming and seeing Dan and Arin’s rightful confusion in live time, I still felt dread leading up to the reveal. I felt genuine dread and sadness to a sloppy twist I knew was coming, and I think that’s because despite all of V3’s many many many flaws I’m invested in Kaede and Shuichi as characters.

I’m invested in watching a protagonist slowly being lead into the very game she swore against out of desperation to save everyone. I’m invested in Shuichi’s trauma and him slowly picking up on the fact the Kaede did it, but being unable to say anything for the longest time due to how much he cares about her and his trauma. I’m invested in how despite Kaede going into a death march she still has a class trial in one last attempt to save everyone and how she uses her final moments to build up Shuichi’s confidence for his own sake and for the sake of the survival of everyone else. I’m invested in them both breaking down crying blaming themselves. I’m invested in how Kaede in her final moments pushes on her will to save everyone onto Shuichi, not realizing how intense a final wish like that could be and how he struggles with it for the rest of the game. And I’m invested in that final goodbye in Kaede’s lab, with Claire De Lune playing in the back as he mourns the loss of someone who, despite only knowing her for a few days, changed his life.

V3 trial 1 has a very strong emotional core. I think it’s the strongest one out of the whole franchise tbh (that doesn’t equal best btw I think V3 trial 4 or 5 are objectively better), but a lot of that gets muddied with an upsetting twist and a confusing murder, so I get why a lot of people don’t like this trial. However, I really love this trial even after all these years and going through the Danganronpa series again and realizing I find a lot of it mid.

That’s kinda how I feel about V3 as a whole honestly. It’s an objectively bad game with sloppy writing, a lot of filler dialogue, and some gross problematic stuff. I would never recommend this game to anyone in a million years, yet under layers and layers and layers and layers of hot garbage, there’s some moments that really do shine to me. Not for everyone, but for me they do.

That’s why I love V3 Chapter 1 and V3 as a whole so much, despite everything. It made me captivated with a handful of characters and moments even if the overall quality was bad. Growing up is realizing that not everything you like is of good quality and that’s okay. “My Class Trial Our Class Trial”, and by extension V3 as a whole, just so happened to be the media to make me realize that.

[realclemhours]

Just leaving some notes on here for me to potentially use later (mostly headcannon stuff that does not entirely line up in cannon)

Chara- Fell Down in Medival Era (1500 our time/ 2010 Undertale Time)- Went to Mount Ebott to… you know…

Cyan- Fell Down in Enlightenment Era (1700 our time/ 2210 Undertale Time)- Went to Mount Ebott to escape parental abuse

Green- Fell Down in 1800’s (1800 our time/ 2310 Undertale Time)- Went to Mount Ebott to try and find rare ingredients

Blue + Purple- Fell Down in Victorian Era (1850’s our time/ 2360 Undertale Time)- Siblings and went to Mount Ebott to explore the rumors of monsters living there

Yellow- Fell Down in the Great Depression (1920’s our time/ 2430 Undertale Time)- Went to Mount Ebott to find the rest of the missing children

Orange- Fell Down in the 1980’s( 1980’s our time/ 2490 Undertale Time)- Went to Mount Ebott because of a dare

Frisk- Fell Down in the 2010’s (2010’s our time/ 2520 Undertale Time)- Went to Mount Ebott because ???

Sorry if this is historically inaccurate or doesn’t entirely line up with Undertale or even Undertale Yellow. I just thought it was a cool concept to have every human be from a specific era starting from medieval times since Chara lived in a “village”

[flaminpumpkin]

For the love of whatever the fuck you believe in, REBLOG THE SHIT YOU LIKE. Seriously, this isn't Twitter. People won't see what you liked here. The only way to do so is by reblogging. Support the artists/writers/creators you like AND USE THAT REBLOG BUTTON.

Thanks <3

people moving to tumblr from twitter please fucking reblog art likes literally dont do anything except make the artist upset bc they have 2 reblogs and 55 likes

[realclemhours]

Been on a SpongeBob kick recently. Shout out to Incidental #70. He’s so silly. He said “Hey SpongeBob’s Back :D” and never had another line again. What a legend.

Unironically love his design. It screams Goober.

[realclemhours]

Ngl I think it’s funny that I went from a hyperfix that I was pretty into shipping with (Danganronpa) to a hyperfix where I’m not really into like any ships lmao (Eddsworld)

That being said I like any ship between the main four that isn’t TomTord or EddMatt, and even then it isn’t like a strong liking or disliking either.