#cedh

[plab]

Today was like the 2007 housing market crash for CEDH Players

[chairsarefornerds]

Babe wake up they banned cEDH

[peoplegettingreallymadatcards]

[gregor-never-leaves-the-house]

Another proxy made with just toys. The child allowed it even. Ragavan is one of those cards I wouldn't play myself because it's just too effective. But you have to admit a monkey pirate is great.

[magicwithclass]

Squandered resources is a powerful card with a powerful effect. I am actually shocked that this card flew under the radar for as long as it did especially since there was a blog, site, or other form of media that carried the name squandered resources. The card was actually under a dollar until the end of 2016 so there was a time since prices were formally recorded that you could have picked up this card for absolute bulk prices. If every good card on the reserved list has been picked dry and there is nothing left to speculate on then how do you explain squandered resources being 60 cents less than ten years ago? Did no one see the potential in a 2 mana ramp card that is also a free sacrifice outlet. There are many decks that want lands in the graveyard or can easily recur lands so a free sacrifice engine is absolutely paramount for those decks to function. Zuran orb and sylvan safekeeper are cheaper options but redundancy is important and this offers the effect on an enchantment. The payoff is also stronger. Never underestimate extra mana even at the cost of a resource especially if you can easily get the resource back or you are using that sacrifice to you advantage. Many decks can make excellent use of squandered resources in their combos. The gitrog monster, muldrotha the gravetide, and lord windgrace decks all benefit from having lands enter the graveyard and can put them right back into play. Even so, the number of commander decks that use this card on edhrec is astonishingly low. I would think any landfall deck that utilizes combos that sacrifice all lands only to bring them back with aftermath analyst or world shaper would need to use squandered resources. Very few cards let you sac all your lands in a single turn and leave you mana positive but squandered resources has combos and synergies. The card was five bucks after 2016 and reached almost 20 dollars during the initial buyout of 2018. By 2021 the card was about seventy five dollars as a all time high. So why is the cars going up now? Why is there a renewed interest on a reserved list card that has spiked a number of times? In short, the necrobloom. The necrobloom is the second strongest commander released in modern horizons 3. A little birdy can tell you what the strongest commander in the set is. The necrobloom is also highly competitive and is potentially cedh. The card wants lands in the graveyard to dredge and some decks have a land in graveyard theme. Is it any wonder that squandered resources can fit into a necrobloom cedh deck? Desert decks and a jund graveyard commander deck also got a boost in 2024 so it was a good year for squandered resources. Currently, the card is approaching fifty dollars. That is higher than in 2018 but I do not think it will reach its market high. However, this has become a soft staple in necrobloom decks, appearing in over 20 percent of decks. That deck is competitively viable, popular, and new so I think squandered resources will probably hold onto a higher price tag for the foreseeable future. Will it go back down when the hype dies or will you have to squander your resources getting a copy of this card?

[ceoofjosuke]

the average edh round lasting 33 minutes factoid is actually a statistical error. the average edh round is actually just a little over 1.5 minutes. izzet georg, who's rounds last over 29 hours, is a statistical outlier and should not have been counted

[irishkae]

For some reason my brain keeps coming up with mtg themed band names. So far I have:

- The Untapped Lands

- Gisa and the Decayed

- Praetor Sluts

- The Compleated

- The Deathtouchers

- Holding Up Mana

- Jeskai

- Ward Two

- Forgotten Triggers

- The Mana Dorks

...why? 😂

[shamanistic-tendencies]

i am plotting devious things 😈😈😈

[tea-time-for-bee-time]

COLLATERAL THOUGHTS ABOUT “FAST MANA” COMMANDER BANS

This is the PERFECT time for WOTC to create an official “cEDH” format.

Commander has been in desperate need of a power schism. Sure rule 0 and saying “what power level is your deck” works ok. But it’s a bandaid on a constantly widening power gap.

It allows the regular casual format to remain casual under the current RC

It lets people play the expensive cards they want in the manner that they want (competitively, or at least at higher powered tables).

WOTC will have more control over the value of what they print

It shuts up the asshole who keep saying commander isn’t real because it has no “official tournaments”

I already know of a few larger LGSs that split commander nights by power-level anyway. (Beginner/pre-con/learn to play + casual + competitive)

@benna-benna

[pro-prin-prinny]

When you mass buy consoles and games to sell at a higher price you are called a scalper. When you mass buy Magic the Gathering cards to sell at a higher price you are called an "investor."

This is why I approve of the recent commander bans.

[averyangrytissuebox]

For the sake of my ambitions (building my own cEDH deck), I did unspeakable things (Learned enough python to write a code to calculate how many cards Ad Nauseum will draw in my deck in a hypothetical 100k simulations so I can put it into a spreadsheet to work out how many cards I would draw to see if it is worth playing) (It is despite the high CMC of the deck)

[roborabbitart]

Potential hot take for Magic: the Gathering's Commander format, but I'm starting to think CEDH and Casual Commander should have two separate ban lists.

Now hear me out. I don't personally play CEDH because the concept of it simply doesn't interest me, but from what I hear, it's effectively an entirely different game in practice. Gone are the alliances, the negotiations, the room for errors. It's whoever does their thing the absolute fastest or stops the other players the best. Politics and generally having a good time, on the other hand, are the priorities of Casual Commander play, even to a degree at high power non-CEDH levels.

So as I think about this, Emrakul being banned for "not being fun to play against" makes no sense for CEDH. As a game, CEDH primarily revolves around combos and control, and while Emrakul is nothing to sneeze at, you either need to cheat it out or have an infinite mana combo, and with the former probably being most common, you're most often not going to get the cast trigger. I genuinely cannot imagine her making a splash in CEDH compared to the utterly deranged things people pull off there.

Casual Commander, on the other hand, is an entirely different beast, rule zero conversations can be difficult to bring up, and there's ALWAYS that one guy that brings the degenerate shit to a casual game, anyway. Banning based on fun value is a much more reasonable option for a specifically casual format. Banning things like Karnlock for slowing down or outright halting the game (or really anything generally deemed "unfun" by a majority of casual players), especially in a format that already tends to be slower, makes sense in a more casual setting. It's a bit more difficult of a thing to judge, as it's rather subjective, but other common examples seem to be fast mana and land destruction.

I'm admittedly on the fence about fast mana, but my big issue with it is that there's simply no middle ground. You either pay 2-3 mana for 1 mana, or you pay 1 mana for 2-3 mana. The only guaranteed "break even" mana rock I can think of is Timeless Lotus, which is legendary, can only be used in 5 color decks, and costs 5 mana to play in the first place, or Springleaf Drum, which is solid but has a pretty rough additional cost that already requires you to have a board state. A set of simple "break even" rocks and/or tapped mana-positive rocks would lessen the power gap between someone with fast mana and someone without. As it stands, with the possible exception of Sol Ring, if only due to how many precons include it, I do think fast mana would be worthy of a ban in a proposed Casual Commander banlist, simply due to how significantly it widens the gap between decks with or without it and how inaccessible it is. However, there's no denying fast mana is a staple of CEDH and seems to have plenty of counterplay, and from what I hear Sol Ring isn't even good there.

Overall, I simply think Casual Commander needs a separate, soft ban list to give a baseline for the most common rule zero discussions, while also leaving CEDH intact.

[dumnslut]

Concept art for my wurm cEDH mtg deck! First would be for my commander and the second two are for wurm tokens

[worm-apocalypse]

first opening hand of the day, playing hakbal merfolk: misty rainforest, reliquary tower, sol ring, arcane signet, cenote scout, beast within, rampant growth.

this is the greatest opening hand i'll ever see. ramp, turn 1 creature, ring-signet combo, interaction. i feel like i've won the lottery.

[gregor-never-leaves-the-house]

So, I did another Magic Thing:

Ever since Twilight was shown, I wanted to build a Commander Deck with her, and let me tell you: I *hate* Commander. 100 individual cards? So much mana balancing? So much removal? So many goddamn staples?? I hate staples! But hell, Twilight did it for me.

So I printed them, and it works! I'm really glad.

Printing these Proxies is always a highlight.

Anyway, I'm never building a Commander Deck again. Cube all the way, babyyyyyyyy

[magicwithclass]

Yawgmoth's Bargain

Yawgmoth's Bargain is banned in commander and legacy. This would be a completely different conversation if this card was legal in those formats. The card is absurdly powerful, but is it good enough to banned alongside the power nine? Is yawgmoth's bargain as good as a mox or a black lotus? Most people would argue that while Yawgmoth's Bargain is an extremely broken card it is not quite in the same tier as many other cards banned in legacy or commander. I should note that while there are many cards on the reserved list that are banned, very few are banned because they are simply too good to be played. Some reserved list cards are banned because they reference ante while other cards have issues in tournament play. For instance, dexterity cards and cards that trigger a subgame are banned because they cause headaches and confusion in official tournaments. Yawgmoth's Bargain does not have this issue so why can't you play it? Surely, newer cards like dockside extortionist or jeska's will are just as powerful so why does the bargain sit on the banned list while my goblin makes me 20 treasures? Undoubtedly, yawgmoth's bargain is potent. One card for one life has always been an exchange that I would pay all day everyday. Yet many cards offer that rate. Necropotence is not banned in commander and even the new necrodominance offers a similar effect for modern. Both of those cards only cost 3 mana while Yawgmoth's bargain costs double that! Six mana is a huge investment and a player really needs to be able to cast the bargain early. You can not drop this on turn six and then just pass, even with a fresh grip of cards. However, this card has always benefited from combos and synergy. You can bury the opponents in card advantage but you are more likely to combo out using this reserved list card to find your combos. Getting access to the cards immediately is a major upside and should not be underestimated. The one life payment is negligible but ensures you can not just draw your entire deck without another combo piece. Otherwise, you could just play this, draw your deck, and cast thassa's oracle. Speaking of the oracle, is yawgmoth's bargain really stronger than the demonic consultation/oracle combo? I do think that yawgmoth's bargain has a legitimate chance of getting unbanned one day. The game has evolved since the card first landed on the ban list. The card would still see a tremendous amount of play but I do not see it warping formats. Black decks might run it as a generic staple draw spell but how much better is it than phrexian arena if you are using it purely as a draw engine. Even as a combo piece, this card is 6 mana. The skipping your draw step is also not really a drawback when you can draw at anytime for one life. In fact, the card gets around nekusar and sheoldred. Currently, the card is around ten dollars in price. That is actually quite a lot for a card that can not be played in most formats. There has always been speculation surrounding this card, though, as everyone always believes this card is about to get unbanned. The card was over 5 dollars even in 2017, so this card was not bulk even before the reserved list buyouts of 2018 and 2021. Even so, the card was below 2 bucks before 2017. Of course, the card has been banned long before significant price data was calculated. In 2021, the card did go to almost fifty dollars but a banned card just can not keep that price tag. What are you playing it in? Albeit, some reserved list cards have a high price due to scarcity and not playability but I can still put those cards in decks even if they are not very good. Today, you can get the card for about 10 dollars. I have a few copies that I got in 2015 for very little and I will hold those cards until the day the card finally is liberated off of the banned list. On that day, the price of this card will rocket to the moon. I should also note that this card is one of the few reserved list cards with a foil version. The foil version is about 150 dollars which is a big discrepancy between foil and nonfoil.