#ceasers legion

[bl4z33467]

This came to me like a prophecy

[atomic-bomn]

There is no possible way the NCR is done for.

Show spoilers ig

With an estimated active military personnel of 700,000 and a civilian base of 1,000,000 the NCR would not collapse so easily. If at all because of a bombing of their capital

There are enough *Actual* supporters of the NCR that quickly reorganize and regroup. Fallout NV makes it seem that there is a disproportionate amount of people who are in the army for money or conscripted, which is true but In reality there are diehard supporters for the NCR in California and outside of the Mojave. Many of the soldiers in the Mojave are just disillusioned and have little to no morale because of the legion and the environment of the Mojave. Shady Sands isn't the only city in the NCR. Redding, Roseville, Boneyard, Dayglow, The Hub, Junktown, Navarro, Sac-town, etc. The NCR isn't a petty faction where you kill the leader and or destroy the place they collapse and wither. The NCR is well organized, structural, Bureaucratic, has a Constitution and branches of government, Minted dollars and coinage, federal reserve, Industry, complicated and extensive trade networks, Anti Bigotry laws. The list goes on.

They are not perfect but I chose them over Elon musk, actual anarchism that is proven to not be effective for the Mojave, and a 14 year old edge lord's dream. (literally only enslaving women and being generally edgy as shit)

Edit: I know The brotherhood of shit isn't an endgame faction but I didn't mention them because they are laughable. In almost every game. I used to really like them and the legion, it's just maturing ig.

Legion fanboys seethe.

[ezekiel13]

My bizarre Ceaser’s Legion headcanon thing:

JOSHUA GRAHAM IS GUY FAWKES FOR THE LEGION

‘Remember remember the fifth of November

Burning, failure and plot

I see no reason why the Burned Man’s treason

Should ever be forgot’

^ that is what the soldiers mean when they say the slaves are talking about the burned man again.

(Context- Okay so he’s a guy who tried to blow up the Houses of Parliament in 1605. He was in a group of 13 but he was the one tasked with blowing it up. He failed, and was hung drawn and quartered (standard way to kill traitors to the crown back then) And we celebrate ‘Bonfire Night’ (5th November) where we burn a ‘Guy’ a thing made to resemble a human to sorta represent that)

They have a big event on the day of the 1st battle of Hoover damn annually to celebrate, like how we do (for Mr Fawkes on 5th November)

Basically Guy Fawkes is a weirdly good way to think of Joshua: Joshua when a legion/ex legion courier approaches him and is like “omg!” And recites that rhyme at him and is like “we burn your body every year to celebrate”

Joshua’s life becoming a legacy/myth that the Legion burn efficacies of him to celebrate his death and the slaves whisper about how he will save them each year

I have more thoughts on this also but they’re for a later date

[imoutofsoupyo]

[robert-edwin-house]

they literally made him a wojack of joe biden

[detritiviolet]

(sitting on my stomach and kicking my legs) please ramble to me about your legion fnv character :3

so umm, they are a transmasc (kinda, not really though) legionary, who was able to join by beating the shit out of anyone who said they couldnt, and i head canon Vulpes as gay, and them as a lesbian, so Vulpes and them have a fake relationship thing going on, they lost both eyes in the divide and they use a modified thermic lance (the weapon that took one of their eyes actually) and wear modified power armor, so they are just a hulking terrifying mass of a beast in their armor

[charlanne]

almost forgot to post this here

original:

[anonwyvern]

When the Courier and Boone leave The Fort after paying their humble respects:

[maddymoreau]

[magnetictapedatastorage]

i can never suspend disbelief in a fallout game bc wtf are these people eating. if technology is this bad then there should be MORE farmers per non farmer, because the surplus (if any!) is going to be fucking tiny. ik it's not as exciting as a world entirely populated by murderous maniacs who sleep on miraculously functional 200 year old mattresses but come on. would it be that big of a struggle to depict slightly reasonable food yields. if it was somehow a balance issue (too easy to steal food) they could instead have depicted a freshly destroyed field surrounding a scattering of empty shacks, maybe imply it was a pest, drought, etc that did it. just make the field actually big for once

[delafiseaseses]

"I want you to witness the fate of the town of Nipton, to memorize every detail."

OK, Vulpes, how about a memorise a very particular detail. That you speak out of your arse when you claim "Each clutched his ticket, hoping it would set him free. Each did nothing, even when "loved ones" were dragged away to be killed." what's this then, Inculta?

[an ash pile and a dead wastelander next to a laser rifle]

[the Ash Pile's inventory contains a set of Legion Recruit Armour and a machete]

Looks to me like you didn't clean up the fight fully. I imagine that if we were to have arrived later what's left of your man woulda been sweeped up and the Wastelander would have a mine under him.

[another angle of the dead Wastelander, showing the Laser Rifle and a Lottery Ticket]

The man has a lotto ticket next to him as well. Which does raise some questions. Was he handed the ticket and then pulled out the Rifle? Did they leave it next to him to mock him? Was this actually some kind of trial by combat "prize"? If the last one, why is he dead inspite of killing a Legion Recruit?

We will never know, the dead can't talk and Vulpes has his story. I don't think this is how Vulpes wanted us to see this man or the Legion Ash Pile.

-

I do have some other observations. Do you notice that the 1st and 2nd place winners, Oliver Swanick and Boxcares, are both Powder Gangers. In fact, literally every non-Legion survivor of this event weren't Nipton Locals? They're literally all Powder Gangers. The two enslaved guys in 'Booted'. The crucified men?

[4 images vertically of crucified Powder Gangers]

Powder Gangers. All the survivors of Nipton were Powder Gangers. You may think "So what? The people of Nipton got unlucky." but you know what I think? I think this is too convienient.

Vulpes says "Nipton was a wicked place, debased and corrupt. It served all comers, so long as they paid. Profligate troops, Powder Gangers, men of the Legion such as myself - the people here didn't care. It was a town of whores. For a pittance, the town agreed to lead those it had sheltered into a trap. Only when I sprang it did they realize they were caught inside it, too." notice what he's doing there: he's claiming the entire town was in on him and Mayor Steyns plot. A claim like that, if true, could be used against Nipton in some people's minds.

One of the only other accounts of Nipton are Ghost's which are "Nipton wasn't the most friendly town, but..." and "Town was a shithole, asking to be burned. Just not by Legion. Nobody deserves that." which... no town is 'asking to be burned', Ghost. That second quote is part of her saying she had no friends in Nipton. I doubt she actually personally knew anyone in Nipton. Just the fact Steyn served Gangers and NCR and maybe she met someone unkind there once or somethin'.

And, yeah, Mayor Joseph B. Steyn was an arsehole. But y'wanna know somethin' about Steyn? He was New Californian, a Hubber, from The Hub. His prostitutes, Rosie and Sylvia, were probably from there or somewhere in New California too. And you know what he says happened in his terminal when he heard the plan? "I didn't have to think a moment about Mr. Fox's proposition before accepting it. All I have to do is convince the Powders to kidnap the NCR troops at night. When both groups are in town, the Legion boys will scoop everyone up. Ha!" he didn't consult the town about this plan beforehand. He also, rather constantly, displays a desire to leave Nipton and go back to California after exploiting Nipton as much as he could. That was Steyn's care for the town.

Only 1 Nipton Townsperson gets an account of anythin': Tony the Tinker. His single terminal entry shows him to be... a bit of a creep. But he explicitly is avoided by other people in town, especially women (also his Mister Gutseys got one of the Legion Recruits, which is funny).

But I've lost the point I was making. I don't think the fact all the Nipton townspeople are dead is a coincidence. Just like how I don't think that all the NCR just happened to be killed and left in Nipton Hotel is a coincidence.

I think the lotto was rigged.

Think about it, Boxcars even says that when Steyn's number came up they "burned him alive on a pile of tires." he never mentions anyone else getting that treatment.

Vulpes Inculta lied about the towns complicitness, at best there were fine with prostitution that played both sides of the Ganger-NCR conflict (the shopkeepers of the town gave Steyn 15% of their profits from trade with patrons of that service). Does Westside deserve to burn because of the Casa Madrid? Does Freeside because of the Atomic Wrangler? Fuck no.

But if a Nipton townsperson lived, they could share their story. We could see the truth. Nipton was a town, like any other. At worst their crime was electing Steyn (but we have no idea how their elections even worked).

1st prize, 2nd prize. That'd be a loose end, a story that could contradict the "Evil place that should be burned" narrative. The game was rigged from the start. Vulpes Inculta is a liar. Of course he is... he's a literal spymaster.

(also I highly doubt a woman was ever gonna be allowed to 'win' such a thing with Legion ideology)

So, let us remember the town of Nipton, as best as we can. Not as Vulpes saw it, or the NCR saw it, but as a place that had people in it we never got to know. Next time your in Nipton Town Hall, moving the bodies to avoid the landmines of this specifically set up scene by the Legion. Think about the Wastelanders, as they are called, and the part of the Wasteland they called home.

[lizardsexposed]

thing is is like im a cis person right and a cis woman

and if i kinda think about it and forget all the brain rot online. ppl tryna get me to think about ~gender issues~ and vote on it is so weird

cuz on a day to day basis i spend exactly 0 seconds a day thinkin about trans ppl. sometimes i see a woman who is kinda like obviously transitioning but the same way i wouldnt say to a woman with short hair U LOOK LIKE A MAN GET AWAY FROM ME!!! cuz that would be weird. like why would i do that. i dont go for a piss in the toilet and think oh god what if the person next to me has a cock?

a lot of the pubs i drink in have rly small toilets were the cublicles and urinals are in the same room. just cuz logistics mean that has to be the case. u walk past the urinals on the way to the stall. its just normal im not there like hmm i must see these ppls cocks

on like a gender transitioning basis do i think hormones should be given out under doctor prescription? yeah of course. the same way i think u should have an abortion at home. also like puberty blockers n shit. idk why these are an issue, my friend had them when we were teenagers cuz she hit puberty too early and was over developing so idk why theyre making laws around this shit. i dont want ppl takin hormones and puberty blockers at home or worse DIY cuz if that shit goes wrong, as a tax payer im payin for fixin the problem if someone gets dodgy pills. id rather it was just right the first time and done under guidelines

all in all its kinda like despite articles telling me i should care deeply about this shit and vote on, i don't. i really dont care. what im now having to vote on cuz its forced down my throat is protections of trans ppl cuz i dont want them hurt. but if this had never become a debating issue it would never have forced my hand.

idfk like i rly dunno why i should be anti trans. like the worst thing i can ever imagining happening is im gettin down n nasty with a trans girl and it turns out she has a cock and i just say 'sorry i am not into cock. im gonna have to stop here' and they go oh :c and then i feel bad. like idk what else could happen. like 'oh a scary trans person could attack me in a bathroom' like so could a fuckin cis woman??? this has never happened to me nor do i know anyone who it has happened to. the only time i know someone who was attacked in a bathroom the victim was trans and the perpetrator a cis man.

idk man i just dont know why theyd expect me to hate trans ppl like they have not given me any reason other than apparently i just just fear being near trans ppl. which is literally insane

[adrianna-g]

[ezekiel13]

[imoutofsoupyo]

[bubbysneurosiszone]

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