#catholic mariage

[0-k-4]

just met a guy my parents would LOVE for me to bring back as my boyfriend. Unfortunately for them I'm still not over that girl from nine years ago so

[empiredesimparte]

Napoléon V: Dear godfather, as agreed, I'm soon to be married Pope Gregorius: I'm delighted, my child, and may I say, congratulations. Your resolutions are appreciated in Rome, I can assure you

Napoléon V: Thank you. What about the coronation? Pope: Your father, god rest his soul, imposed on me at his coronation what every Napoléon imposes

Napoléon V: What are you referring to, Your Holiness? Pope: I will simply attend your ceremony. Isn't that what was agreed upon with your advisors?

Napoléon V: Yes, of course. Only, I want His Holiness to work with me, for the greatness of Francesim Pope: I see… My son, the only condition for attending your coronation was this religious marriage. But once you're crowned, I'm asking you to defend the interests of the Catholic people. You are the eldest and spiritual son of the Church, my godson. You must never lose sight of that

Napoléon V: Yes, Your Holiness. I give my heart to God

Pope: You must cherish this steadfast love, my son. Love for the Crown, love for your people, love for your future wife and children-

Napoléon V: You know, these days all my prayers are with my father. I miss him so much… What does the coronation mean if God didn't help him that night?

Pope Gregorius: Louis…your father may have departed this world on that tragic evening, but though he is gone, the Emperor remains. He is a symbol, an eternal entity, just like our Heavenly Father. Yesterday he was incarnate in Napoléon IV, today in Napoléon V, and tomorrow it will be your son, Napoléon VI, who will be God's mediator has as you and your father were before him

⚜ Le Cabinet Noir | Palais des Tuileries, 19 Prairial An 230

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Napoléon V confided his concerns to his godfather, Pope Gregorius XIX. Pope thanked him for his diligence and reminded him of his duties as a Christian sovereign.

⚜ Traduction française

Napoléon V confie ses inquiétudes à son parrain, le Pape Gregorius XIX. Le pape le remercie pour son application, et lui rappelle ses devoirs en tant que souverain chrétien.

Napoléon V : Cher parrain, comme convenu, me voilà bientôt marié Pape : Je m’en réjouis, mon enfant. Vos résolutions sont appréciées à Rome Napoléon V : Merci. Qu’en est-il du sacre ? Pape : Votre père, paix à son âme, m’a imposé à son couronnement ce que tous les Napoléon imposent Napoléon V : A quoi faites-vous référence, Votre Sainteté ? Pape : Je ne ferai qu’assister à votre cérémonie. N’est-ce pas ce qui est convenu avec vos conseillers ? Napoléon V : Si, oui, bien sûr. Seulement, je souhaite que Sa Sainteté travaille avec moi, pour la grandeur de la Francesim Pape : Ma seule condition pour assister à votre sacre, mon fils, était ce mariage religieux. Une fois sacré, n’oubliez jamais de défendre les intérêts du peuple catholique. Vous êtes le fils aîné et spirituel de l’Eglise, mon filleul. Napoléon V : Oui, Votre Sainteté. Je donne mon cœur à Dieu Pape : Chérissez cet amour, mon fils, aimez. Aimez votre Couronne, aimez votre peuple, aimez votre femme et vos enfants Napoléon V : Vous savez, ces temps-ci, toutes mes prières se tournent vers mon père. Il me manque tellement… Que signifie le sacre, si Dieu ne lui a pas porté secours cette nuit-là ? Pape :  Louis… Cette nuit-là, votre regretté père nous a quitté, mais l’Empereur lui demeure. Il vit éternellement, tout comme Dieu. Hier, il s’incarnait en Napoléon IV, aujourd’hui en Napoléon V, et demain ce sera votre fils qui sera le médiateur de Dieu

[sensitiveuser]

Portrait of a Communard (2): André Léo (1824-1900)

In my first post, I gave you a general overview of the memory of the Paris Commune, chronologically, without going into detail. However, don’t worry, I don’t forget the important role that women played in the insurrection! I attach great importance to the history of feminism and the role played by great heroines (more or less known) in the struggle for women’s emancipation.

But who are the women communards? A person more or less passionate about history, who is not a specialist in the Paris Commune but who has a vague idea of ​​it, knows at least Louise Michel, The Red Virgin! She is also the first character of the Commune that I mentioned in my first post...

Let's get straight to the point. This post and the next one will be dedicated to a heroine in the history and memory of the Paris Commune, but also in the history of socialism and social struggles in general, and the fight for gender equality, is the aptly named Léodile Béra, otherwise known as André Léo…

Warning: In this post, I will only retrace the journey of André Léo (such a rich and honorable journey) before the Paris Commune. My next post will be dedicated to his fight throughout the Commune. I don't want to make posts too long (I'm just starting to master the principle of Tumblr posts ^^). And, to be honest, I love her, and I have so much to say about her…! :)

Léodile Béra comes from a bourgeois family. She is the granddaughter of a member of the Society of Friends of the Constitution.

A few days after Napoleon III's coup d'état in December 1851, she married Pierre-Grégoire Champseix, a socialist typographer and journalist (close to Pierre Leroux), who had taken refuge in Lausanne in 1850 because of his accusation of press offences.

In 1860, due to the amnesty, Léodile and Pierre-Grégoire returned to French soil. It was there that she gave herself the pseudonym "André Léo" (these are the firsts names of her two children). he published many novels, criticizing the place of women in society: Un Mariage Scandaleux (1862), La Vieille Fille (1864), Jacques Galéron and Les Deux Filles de Monsieur Plichon (1865), Un divorce (1866), L'Idéal au village (1867), Attendre - Espérer and Double Histoire (1868), Aline - Ali (1869).

In 1866, André Léo founded the Association for the Improvement of Women's Education. She was one of those "feminist" activists (the term did not yet exist, was limited to the medical field, and was used by truly misogynistic men!) who wanted to develop women's education and improve its content, methods, and purpose. In her letter to Victor Duruy, Minister of Public Instruction, she expressed her criticism of Catholic education. In 1868, alongside eighteen other women, including Maria Deraismes and Paule Minck (Don't worry, I'll have the opportunity to talk about them later), she published a Manifesto in favor of women's rights. She then founded the Women's Rights League. This league was dedicated to spreading a Demand for Civil Rights.

In 1869, alongside the schoolteacher Noémie Reclus and her cousins ​​(the famous Elisée Reclus and his brother Elie), André Léo founded the Society for the Demand of Women's Rights, a mixed society. She participated in writing a manifesto demanding a reform of the Napoleonic civil code; this manifesto was published in the newspaper "Le Droit des Femmes", a newspaper founded by Maria Deraismes and Léon Richer. She dismantled Proudhon's pseudo-misogynistic theory in her report "Women and Morals. Liberty or Monarchy". André Léo was aware of the links between the oppression of women by men and that of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie. She highlighted the relationship between socialism and gender equality. Thus, she virulently criticized the sexist ideas of the republicans and socialists. According to her, regarding the issue of women's freedom and gender equality, the revolutionaries (with the exception of Eugène Varlin, Léo Frankel, or the Reclus brothers) became conservatives !

In January 1870, alongside Louise Michel, she went to the funeral of the journalist Victor Noir. After the coup de La Vilette in August 1870, still with Louise Michel, she sent a petition to General Trochu, defending the Blanquist activists sentenced to death at the Blois trial for an alleged plot (against order, oppressors and social injustice!).

In January 1871, André Léo worked for the newspaper La République des Travailleurs. In this newspaper, she vehemently criticized the government of Jules Dufaure, General Trochu, Jules Favre, Ernest Picard; she also called for a popular revolt to defend Paris, with these pretty words: "To the barricades, women! May the French Republic, the real one, freed from its shackles (the Trochus, the Favres, the Picards), raise the great cry that restores the strong to themselves, overexcites the weak, terrifies the traitors (...) The Republic and freedom cannot and must not perish!" André Léo attacks the bourgeois who enrich themselves at the cost of the misery of the proletarians, and she demands the fair redistribution of foodstuffs.

[just-an-enby-lemon]

Fun fact about me: I was born at Saint Anthony's day. Now the thing that makes it a fun fact is that Saint Anthony is the patroun saint of mariage. That means my aro ass was both born on pride month (it checks out) and on romantic love catholic day. And I think there are a random accidental connection about me not fiting the expectations of my catholic upbringing.

[kuyavancreations]

For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord-s death until he comes. 1 Corinthians 11:26

நீங்கள் இந்த அப்பத்தைப் புசித்து, இந்தப் பாத்திரத்தில் பானம்பண்ணும்போதெல்லாம் கர்த்தர் வருமளவும் அவருடைய மரணத்தைத் தெரிவிக்கிறீர்கள். 1 கொரிந்தியர் 11 : 26

#communion #baptism #christening #holycommunion #firstcommunion #wedding #church #jesus #love #babyshower #birthday #firstholycommunion #communiondress #confirmation #prayer #christeningday #worship #holy #personalised #mariage #party #bible #handmade #cake #christeningcandle #catholic #faith #photography #bapteme #god

[bagdyernoke]

Léon Blum - Wikipedia

Between 1905 and 1907 he wrote Du Mariage a highly controversial (for the period) and much talked about critical essay about the problems with traditional marriage as envisioned in the late 19th century, with its religious and economic background and strong stress on women remaining virgins until their marriage day.

Blum stated that both men and women should enjoy a period of "polygamic" free sex life in order to experience a more mature and stable relationship during later married life: “For both men and women, the life of adventure must precede the life of marriage, the life of instinct must precede the life of reason” 

Unsurprisingly he was targeted by the then-powerful Catholic Church in France, in the wake of the turmoil caused by the separation between church and state implemented by Emile Combes in 1905. Far right and royalist politicians and agitators, and most preeminently Charles Maurras, were incensed, and pelted mostly anti-semitic insults and public outrage at Blum, famously dubbing him "le pornographe du Conseil d'état" as Blum was by then a counsellor of this institution. Although Blum's views are nowadays accepted and mostly mainstream in many developed countries, the book remained an object of scandal long after WWI and the shift to the emancipation of women.

[sorcadh]

Annette Messager - Mes vœux, 1988

"My Vows brings together hundreds of photographs of human body parts: mouths, ears, feet, noses, genitals, hands, breasts, and so on. Each hangs from a string, with some of the photos partly obscured by others. Together they form a dense circle whose diameter is roughly equivalent to the armspan of an adult person. The diverse body parts pictured—male and female, old and young, aroused and at rest—combine in a variety of unpredictable relationships, reflecting the elastic nature of identity."

"This work brings together hundreds of photographs, each of which presents a small part of a human body: mouths, ears, feet, noses, genitals, hands, breasts, and so on. Each hangs from a string, joining and partly obscuring others. Together they make a dense circle whose diameter is barely greater than the height of a person or the span of his or her arms. The individual elements—male and female, old and young, seductive and repellent—form a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts. Their physical, psychological, and sexual identities co-mingle in an inexhaustible variety of unpredictable relationships, which, together, overwhelm the stable patterns of our familiar arrangements.

Messager's Vows might be the passionate devotions of sexual love, or they might be the votive offerings of an old religion, hung in a chapel to ask for the healing of an ailing eye or limb. These divergent allusions are fused in this hybrid work—part photography and part sculpture".

"My Vows, a series begun in 1988, hovers between photography and sculpture. The works consist of numerous small black-and-white photographs of the human anatomy, often clustered in dense groupings, each print hung tenuously from the wall by a single, simple string. The body parts depicted in the photographs—from a calloused toe to an ankle to the close-up image of a breast—belong to men and women of all ages and types. Together the photographs form an inclusive representation of humanity that is equally old and young, masculine and feminine, sensual and base, and often simultaneously humorous and poignant. Ultimately, they reflect an understanding of humanity that is not categorized by physical difference. My Vows may also be understood in relation to Messager’s Catholic heritage; the work resembles the assembled votive offerings left at pilgrimage sites by the faithful, which often include accumulations of handwritten notes or miniatures of ailing limbs for which cures are being sought. The work’s solemn reference is characteristic of the tension between lyricism and gravity that often informs Messager’s art".

She created 56 scrapbook albums from the perspective of various adopted personalities: the starry-eyed girl, in Le Mariage de Mlle Annette Messager, 1971 (The Marriage of Miss Annette Messager), the practical woman in Mes travaux d’aiguille, musée de Grenoble, 1973 (My needlework). By engaging in a form of blatant auto-fiction, she deconstructs both the idea of “woman” and “artist.” In her work, the act of artistic creation is often limited to obsessive recopying or ironic embroidery, as in Ma collection de proverbes, 1974 (My collection of proverbs), an anthology of common beliefs about women.

In the 1980s, the artist makes greater use of space in her work and deepens her inquiry into linguistic symbols, while making use of the two-dimensional structure of the painting. The artworks are based on photographs of body parts, enlarged then cut up, before being touched up with acrylic and oil paints for some, enhanced with charcoal, acrylic, and watercolours for others. The delicate appearance of the drawing hides the violence of this “dissection” of the human body. 

[lucian-evander]

So i grew up catholic (traditional) and the relation they have with sexuality is hypocritic at its finest , they believe in vocation so if you grow up with no interest in mariage and sex you will definitely think and everyone will tell you so , that you have religious vocation (becoming priest nun monk ect) and this and this only is seen positively, basically they will see lack of sexual attraction as good because it means you have a pure soul and stuff but there's only two ways : religious vocation or mariage and you're not supposed to want marriage for sex either anyway , sex is tolerated inside marriage because it makes kids and therefore it's good but you kinda should see it as a passionless act and never think about it as anything else than a way to make kids and you should not enjoy it because like every act of your life it isn't supposed to be for your enjoyment but for the glory of god so if you're ace and not really into it it doesn't matter because it's not for you to enjoy anyway and also since you're never supposed to talk about sex you can not even réalise not everyone is ace . But there's not really a place for someone who doesn't want to marry or be in the clergy if you're a single man you will be seen as gay and if you're a single woman they will think you never had the chance to marry (either way you'll be pitied) and if you makes it clear it's by choice then you're an egoistical being, to live only for yourself and that's a sin, and there's no place either for a sexless mariage (i thought about that a lot when i was a teen because i struggled to see the sin in that ) sex is seen as a duty of marriage and it's also a sin to not do it (you just can't win whatever you do) , i think one of the biggest reason why it isn't permitted is that they would have to allow gay marriage then since the sin in that is supposed to be the sex part , and they don't want to do that . So yeah not the most asexualfriendly not the worst either tbh because they don't believe what you are is important (général belief that we're all fucked up because original sin ) but what you do so they won't try to fix you in itself but you should still marry and have kids even if you don't want to have sex because what you want isn't important what's important it that you save your soul and there's not a lot of différents good ways ™️ to get to heaven

Here’s a reminder for anyone who thinks that conservatives accept aces: they think we need to be fixed. They think women and feminine people are inherently asexual but they mean it in a way that agency is removed, not as an orientation.

It’s also not a sudden switch. The churches I grew up in preached that sexuality was reserved for your husband, and that if you had boobs (they didn’t recognize anything but cis existed) that your body was inherently tempting, and men’s attraction to you was your responsibility.

Also — while I went to church camp every summer and did Bible Quizzing (I was really good at that actually) and was in the church pageant and youth groups and all of that — I know many people raised in much stricter churches, and that includes stricter purity culture beliefs.

The idea that men and masculine people wouldn’t want sex? Utterly unthinkable. I even remember having conversations in my Christian college with women who wanted to get married who said that part of their marriage was the duty to be sexually available to their husbands.

The body I was raised with was meant for the service of a future husband, not me. And that bled into secular culture (still does). Claiming my aceness was a huge part of claiming agency over my body and healing from the idea that it could only exist for others.

Here’s the thing: in a nutshell, women and feminine people are seen as not wanting sex, but having bodies inherently sexually tempting to men and masculine people. When the two marry, she must give her body to her husband in every way. And yeah, it’s as gross as it sounds.

Just because conservatives didn’t say “asexual” before doesn’t make this rhetoric new. Purity culture has been against anything not based in some 1950s idealized sexuality in marriage for a very long time. Very cis heteronormative— two things aces are not. The only difference is that conservatives are including the word “asexual” in their sexual ethics now.

Wrote an essay about it here.

But yeah it’s not new. They’re just learning how to use more vocabulary to say what they were already saying.

[poetsnaps]

im at marrying age

my coworker revealed to me he had an arranged mariage that failed almost 2 years ago.

being open always has its perks as people know so much about me they're more comfortable to open up to me.

honestly, it was sad and interesting to hear - especially because hes catholic like my current boyfriend.

hearing him reassure me about marriage and meeting my boyfriends mom (whenever that may be), i do want him to be sure of me before i introduce him to my family. before i bring him home, i want to know he wont stop liking me because she doest. now if his siblings dont like me, thats a bigger issue. im somehow less nervous about them becuase i do think we'll get along. they seem to like me already but his mom not having an opinion and possibly even being jealous of me as i am the girl whos with her first born son... it's crazy

both me and my boyfriend have this habit of saying how crazy it is that we're together and how long we've been together considering we're long distance and are now having arguments about money. it's just crazy that we're still together after what he did this summer.

i do think he loves me. i think its scary. hearing him talk about marriage with me and having kids IS crazy because it seemed like he didnt want those things when we got together. it seemed like he was too scared to indulge in wanting those things he once thought were a given. having him lose faith in love and having me revilaitize that - literally give him my love and affection until his flame for love came back... incredible to see.

with how bad things were the last time we saw each other, i think it was also an amazing time. im scared he'll do it again and again and again.

im seeing him thursday when i land in the same city he's in. we're having our spontanious trip for a friends birthday... we'll see how that goes. we'll see if i'm allowed to get drunk and have him not be that drunk.. im scared it wont be possible. im scared he trying to self sabotage because being with me is changing him and change if scary. maybe he's scared because he doesnt want these things... idk. im scared. i love him, i do. im just scared it'll end badly. or that i'll have to end it.

im scared if we do and scared if we dont.

[subiysu-chan]

I feel like your drow would fit in the Innocent verse since they also have this pain worshipping culture, but for moral and spiritual reasons instead of practical ones

True...If Innocent was fantasy. But cutesy Drow girl would probably fit right with the Sanson family, although, marriying her off might be complicated since they are not the same species. (So, my Drows cannot produce viable offsprings with humans. Half-elves can exist, but they are sterile.)

Although, if she's on the surface and able to access berries, she wouldn't need to consume rané, nor would have access to it. So that would probably be quite beneficial to her mental health. Although, trying to force her into a dinurnal lifestyle, would probably make her depressive and covered in sun-burns. Not great for her physical health, nor body image.

The Sanson are roman catholics, but roman catholics who don't really care about the incest taboo, and stuff with step-sibblings probably won't bother them beyond paper work. Lol. So, in that optic, she might be more willing to convert to catholicism, although, she comes from a culture were marriying your siblings-in-law is not only normal, but expected, and failing to do so would be seen as selfish. I can't imagine someone from such a culture wanting to worship a god which forbids such mariages.

So religious conflicts between her and the rest of the cast would be expected, exept with Marie. But Marie is a crazy psycho, so here is that.

[sweethomesimplelife]

"A hand supports him, it's hers; a mouth touches her forehead, it's hers; hear a breath close by, it's her. To have everything that comes from her (...) to count on that sweet weakness that helps him, to rely on that unshakable delicacy..."

- Victor Hugo.

[mr---cringe]

Someone: Kristina, you can't change religion just not to get married! Kristina:

[transparentgentlemenmarker]

Tombe d’un couple don't madame est catholique et de son mari protestant. Après 38 ans de mariage, ne pouvant être enterrés ensemble, Jan van Gorcum est enterré dans la partie protestante du cimetière et son épouse dans la partie catholique. 2 mains relient les tombes. Grave of a couple whose Madame is Catholic and her Protestant husband. After 38 years of marriage, not being able to be buried together, Jan van Gorcum is buried in the Protestant part of the cemetery and his wife in the Catholic part. 2 hands connect the graves

[just-an-enby-lemon]

I have a lot of Oswald headcannons involving catholicism and he are some:

- He read the bible pretty young and he loved the old testament the most. He was fascinated with the tales of revenge and just retribution and really wanted god to send a bear or a plague against his bullers.

- He started to get disapointed with god at twelve after realizing god was not doing much to help his family even tho they were faithfull followers. He ploted his own revenge against his bullers (he pushed one of them down stairs and sucefully blamed the other) and promissed to not be tricked or subjegated by no one not even god. It was when his hate for all authorities except his mother started.

- He went to a catholic school and the opnion of the nuns on him were very divided some though he was a perfect little angel and others (specially the ones that saw he playing with animal corpses) though he was possed by the devil. Gertrude only heard the first ones.

- At first Gertrude wanted him to be a priest and considered his lack of romantic or sexual interest as a teenager as a sing of god that this was truly his path. A part of her still hopes he becames a priest one of this days but the other is glad she didn't lost him to the congregation.

- Sixteen year old Ozzy was very annoyed over the fact he had to knee in front of the bishop during his confirmation but he still did the ceremony because it would make his mother happy. He also growled at the bishop when he puted a hand in his shoulder to start the jurament.

- Deep down he is still afraid of his certain destiny in hell (If hell existis he is going there). He tries to bring up the subject with Edward but gives up because Ed would think his though funny and just say that hell isn't a thing.

- Since Falcone was not only raised catholic but was still religous even though he was a criminal Oswald though a lot about asking to him about hell but never felt confortable enough.

- He sometimes absent mind prays in hungarian when stressed.

- Depending on how young he started working for Fish I can imagine he asking her to be his goodmother for the confirmation since he doesn't really know people. (I can't decided if she accepted it or not)

- He always lied in his confessions because he was afraid the priest would tell the things he said to his mother. Except once they went to a church founded trip with school and since the priest was of a different congregation he felt free to confess. The priest was deeply disturbed and took sabatical days to reflect on life after it.

- He still has Gertrude cross and bibble and Mary statues preserved in a room in the masion. He actually made the room one day when he had forgotten she was dead and decided she would be happy if he made a prayer room to show he didn't gave up on religion even tho they weren't going to mass together anymore. When he realized she was dead and he just spend a hour doing a shrine for a god he doesn't really belive he was devastated.

- He used to lie to his mother about being the perfect catholic boy. He went to mass to her (not regurlaly - a thing she complained about) during important celebrations and was very polite with the passive agressive chuch ladies asking about his lack of mariage and the rumors of his criminal activities. (He did ruin their lifes later).

- He is afraid of elevators and part of it is because his fear of hell. The idea of it is enough to make him afraid of anything that goes down quickly.

[kingdomcarrots]

It must be hard for Xehanort and Eraqus during the prohibition time. Not only are they (totally not) dating someone on the complete opposite side, they're also gay and POC. They'd have to worry about being caught a lot more for that, because they wouldn't just be risking jail. Sure there would be a chance Yen Sid may possibly bail Eraqus out if they're close enough, but Xehanort? They'd need to run far and fast.

Of course they risk their lives, they end up in France, what do you think? 8’)

Let’s make some History/story points! (๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)و

Since Illinois repealed the anti-miscegenation law in 1870s, Eraqus’ family is not illegal (is not well thought of, of course, but legal). Eraqus' dad is a wealthy white American with an important job, a big name in the business ; her japanese mother was well born too. It’s an arranged mariage between two big fortunes. I just wanted to stay close to the "blue-blood" thing about Eraqus.

He always feels lonely since childhood and every day is quite hard even with his name as a shield. And so, he decides that he wants to do « the right things » and starts work at a police office. Big Dad Disapproval. Plus, he has an inclination towards homosexuality. In fact, he’s bi, he can fool people but he surely prefers men.

So, we have a bingo.

Even if homo can live in various special societies in this period, they have to stay in the closet to be calm. Particulary for a cop. And that’s what he does. Only Yen Sid knows (thus worrying himself sick for him when Xehanort arrives).

Xehanort’s situation is worse. He’s a Mexican emigrant, adopted by the Italian mafia. Sure he can be pretty safe thanks to them (kind of) but here’s the big deal : Italian Mafia. They’re proud, they’re Catholic, they’re patriarchy. And he’s gay. Let’s say he likes living dangerously. He has to pull the wool over their eyes every day « Yeah I’m a manly Italian dude, you know? », thanks for him, he’s pretty good at it.

Despite the pride and the shiny life, Xehanort is a lonely person just as Eraqus. And when he nails it, he will have to choose.

[aj521z]

Ya know what's funny? I wasn't raised in a religious household but embraced Catholicism all on my own at 13 and one year later all Catholics in my country were on the street to scream about gay mariage... Fun time 🙃🙃🙃 People in my parish like me just fine cause I'm all proper (genuinely, it's sad sometimes 😔) but I bet they wouldn't like me as much if they knew... I think some would have a problem with me and other wouldn't

There is 100% room to be both LGBT+ and be religious. Unfortunately, most religions do not see it that way theologically. But not all religious people are like that(: there are safe religious communities out there that are actually “come as you are” and don’t judge you. Pretty sure most religions the person is judged by a deity and not other humans, but what do I know. Right, Karen?