#captainswan hate debunked

[ouatsnark]

need another debunking, saw this quote from a sq that reads "Hook's only appeal for Emma is the fact that he's into her, not anything about who he is as a person or how he connects to her- because she's only ever been interested in him romantically when he's done something nice or good for her. It's a weird, unbalanced, and borderline unhealthy dynamic because when someone is only interested in you because you follow her around and tell her you love her, it turns Emma into nothing more than a pr

"-- a prize for Hook and Hook into a person who has no worth beyond Emma. Yeah like? Emma's entire pro-Hook statement in 3b was "He brought me to Storybrooke so I trust him" and then he was able to move her enough to gain her favor by selling his home to help her out. Their relationship pretty much runs solely on Hook being present and dedicated to her, and her thanking him with kisses & stuff. She doesn't really seem to care about Hook as a person, who he is or what“ - continued quote from SQer

I think Hook appeals to Emma, at first, because she’s physically attracted to him. Obviously whomever wrote this has not felt an attraction that’s sparked just from meeting someone. It happens! Sometimes affection grows the more you get to know someone but sometimes true love just hits you like a freight train. I think it hit Emma and Hook but neither realized it until their first kiss and Emma buried it back behind her walls to keep herself from being hurt.

And to believe she doesn’t connect to him on a deeper level, as a person, is to completely disregard all of their interactions. Emma and Hooks’ trip up the beanstalk shows them connecting over the shared pain of abandonment. Emma saw herself in Hook and you see that in the speech she gives him at the end of season 2 when she tells him he can be a part of something bigger than himself. She’s offering him a chance the way Henry offered her one. This is to say that they do share things in common. The fact that Emma has taken the time to learn about Killian (like she knows about what happened between him and Rumple) and that she is trying to help him overcome his past proves that she very much loves him. She sees the best in him and encourages him on his journey. She loves him despite his failures and rejoices in his achievements.

As for Emma only being interested in Hook when he’s done something nice to her… um… no and also so what? She was interested in Hook from day one but her walls had to come down first. Every one around them saw that they had a connection, including Regina! Besides, what do they want? For Emma to be interested in him for sitting around and doing nothing? How is an attraction going to grow into something deeper if he stays away, says nothing to her and worse does absolutely nothing for her? The complaint here is petty and makes no sense, really.

First off, Hook had already gained her favor BEFORE she finds out that he sold his home to save her and her family. She was already trusting in him with care of her son for pity’s sake. That is not an honor to take lightly. While on their journey to the past, she’d also come to know him better. She saw a softer side. A side of him that genuinely cares for her and genuinely doesn’t want to be the man she met in the past! That was his whole purpose for waiting to drop that bomb.

Furthermore, in order for there to be a relationship both parties must be present. Hook and Emma were present and dedicated to each other. It went both ways. This was not one sided. And to say that their first two kisses were “thank you” is a gross simplification for what transpired. Their first kiss really stopped being a “thank you” the moment the challenges were issued about which one wouldn’t be able to handle it. And the second one? She’d gone looking for him because she wanted to share with him that they were in the book now and that everything had gone back to normal. She was seeking him out to spend more time with him. And sure why wouldn’t she kiss a man she’d gotten to know better, that she’d enjoyed spending time with, that she’d seen another side to, after learning he’d put her needs above his own?

“But Hook isn’t motivated by “what Emma wants” or “what Emma needs,” he’s motivated by “what Hook needs, which is Emma.” And while the show is great at depicting that with Rumple as something selfish and twisted, it paints Hook as some deep romantic for it, that all he does he does out of love!! But he doesn’t do it out of love for anyone but himself. Emma talked about him bringing her back to Storybrooke in 3b like it was some magnificent thing he’d done, but he did it because he’s obsessed and has one trajectory, and that is getting Emma. He’s a pirate and he cares about treasure and right now that treasure is Emma, because she’s a goal and an object and not a person. “ - more BS from SQer

I am going to throw Killian’s lines about “risk” and “loot” back into this because there is no way he does everything he did if it wasn’t for love. There are plenty of other women in the enchanted forest. No amount of treasure is worth your life. Also, the fact that Killian leads a rescue mission for Neal, steps aside for Neal, and then ultimately gives his life for Emma arguable goes against this notion. If you’re going to make this claim like OP did you need a little more than “trust my head canon bro, it’s legit canon.” No, not it’s not.

“We’re never given any indication that he cares about her, just that he cares about winning her over, and that’s where the issue lies.” - SQer doing what they do and lying

No indication that he cares about her? Well he “won her over” so to speak. So… Why is he still around? Oh maybe it’s because it was proven they are true love and he does in fact care about her? That’s why he knows her more than anyone else. He was the only one in season 5 who knew Emma wasn’t trying to destroy light magic because that isn’t who she is. He also spent a lot of energy trying to help Emma patch things with her parents for a man who apparently reached his end goal… He also knows her entire story and puts a lot of effort into her mental well being.

But somehow this all turned into a negative because it is Hook doing it…

“Love isn’t sacrifice, trading away all you are for the expectation of reciprocation." - SQer missing the irony that their queen is doing good only to get her happy ending and not to make anything up to her victims

It was never shown or said that Killian did things expecting a reward. In fact he often shied away from praise because he didn’t feel like he deserved it even when he did. So his actions and his words are in direct contrast with that outlandish statement.

And are we just going to ignore the fact that Killian did in fact die for Emma knowing that he’d never see her again and therefore never receive anything for doing so? Cause, you know, he’d be… dead…? During their final goodbye he even made her promise not to build her walls again and go on with her life because he loved her and wanted her to be happy. He wasn’t getting anything out of that either because, again, he’s dead! He walked into that light fully expecting he would never see Emma again and therefore never get his happy ending.

“Sorry for all the long asks but i feel like this needs a debunking and just another follow up, they never see hook trading his ship as a sacrifice cause it's a ship but it's literally his home?? he had nothing else left?” - Anon

No worries! It was a good ask. That fandom loves to put a bunch of fancy words and opinions together but they literally have to twist canon and ignore so many details to hate this character and what is really aggravating is that you could say all of this about Regina and the relationships she had because in the end it was always about her own happy ending.

[ouatsnark]

sqs are exhausting. one claiming "the jab you with my sword line being apart of r*pe culture and it's not just killian implying sex with the line he wants to exert power over emma in that moment...but that's the point! he's an asshole trying to throw her off her balance & she kicks his ass!! he's also throwing the fight so she could get the compass and get back to henry! obviously in that point in the show emma isn't that experienced and he is (he def taught her the spin move emma does in s4)

So I've actually talked about how Regina and SwanQueen are the real so called "rape culture" : here and here

But the highlights are:

My favorite way to respond to this is bringing up the fact that the SwanQueen fandom sexualizes Regina's "how to get the savior to taste my forbidden fruit" which is Regina literally drugging Emma

In fact they sexualize all of S1-2 as Regina and Emma being in love while Regina is very clearly trying to kill Emma. The fact that they believe either is in love with the other during this is the epitome of "abuse culture".

Regina's rape and abuse of Graham is the canon sexual abuse that is ignored. In fact the majority of her fans see Graham as the lucky one or Regina as the victim because of the show's poor handling of this which is in fact real "rape culture" as they make Regina out to be the victim instead of the monster that she is.

Regina is so much more than "rape culture" she's more like "villain culture" because she gets away with all of her crimes without paying for them, without any sacrifice at all or admitting of any guilt that has her groveling at the feet of her victims. In fact, she continues to insult and bully her victims without repercussions. Killian actually suffers immediate consequences for his actions.

Sexual innuendo is not rape. There is nothing about that S2 scene between Emma and Hook that casts his remark in a good light. Because as you say, she kicks his ass. If this was "rape culture" Emma would've swooned. But she didn't, therefore, not "rape culture".

YES he is a 300 year old asshole PIRATE! The humor in this is that Emma, a modern woman, is fighting a 300 year old PIRATE! Like. Laugh a little people. FFS. She doesn't get with him until AFTER he's left this life behind. AND after he decides to leave pirating behind we never see this crass behavior again because Killian actually goes through a change.

Also, that fight scene is so complex, really. Because on one hand I fully believe that he very much wanted to be the one getting to Storybrook and would've done everything necessary to get there because at this point his revenge came first and she'd just betrayed him. He was a little pissed at her. He was also very much still a villain at this point. I mean one of my favorite things about him is that he dropped the crass behavior as his redemption progressed. The pirate who made this crass joke to piss Emma off is not the same pirate she walked down the aisle with. HOWEVER, the fact that he was making jokes and not trying that hard to defeat her has me 100% believing that his heart was not into winning this fight.

[ouatsnark]

another debunking, saw some say cs was bad because relationships are supposed to compliment you not drag you down and that's what cs was and sq would've been better, but killian was emma's best match

Oh I have the perfect game for this! Let's play spot the differences!

I can find a lot more references of supposedly redeemed Regina Mills dragging Emma down than I can of villain Hook or cursed Killian Jones doing anything remotely close to what Regina has done.

And the Killian Jones we ship Emma with NEVER dragged Emma down. He only ever supported her.

So if you want more "spot the differences" you can view this thread here:

[ouatsnark]

saw someone say :when i jab you with my sword" was a rape threat but it literally wasn't why do people throw that around when it's a serious thing that happens

The SQers threw it around previously in hopes of getting Hook thrown off the show so that their ship would be canon. They repeat this now because it justifies their feelings that their abusive crack ship is better.

But it's worth repeating that jokes are not the equivalent to threats or actual violence.

Also lets just bring these back as well:

And here

[ouatsnark]

i just read the worst fanfic of all time and the context is emma breaking off her engagement because hook was physically abusive to her (???) and one of the excerpts include “When a woman says ‘no’,” Regina plunged her hand into Killian’s back and yanked out his heart, “she means no.” HEFJIBDRDV. i will send you the link if i have to it's just so bad it includes emma yelling at her parents with stuff you debunked like giving her up to save her life from regina. sq shippers really hate emma omg

Yes. SwanQueen and Evil Regals 100% hate Emma Swan. Well, they love season 1 Emma but they never wanted her to change. Emma is only a stand in for themselves. They would much rather see Emma under Regina’s heel and being called “idiot” by Regina than seeing Emma’s complete joy with Killian Jones calling her “amazing, beautiful, strong etc”. And this is based on the edits I’ve had the misfortune of seeing on Instagram because no one respects tags over there. The “art” they make would have people’s heads spinning if the gender roles were reversed but it’s somehow perfectly acceptable as long as it’s Regina. It’s OK because they find Regina hot and they themselves want to be abused by her.

If SwanQueeners had an ounce of honesty and even remotely tried to follow/understand canon (and acknowledge where the writing got it wrong), then they'd know that Emma should be 100x more angry at Regina for abusing Henry, making her an orphan and just overall treating her and her loved ones like they are lesser. But those that favor Regina aren’t honest about canon at all or wish to recognize how heinous the writing was when it came to how the other characters handled Regina. That and they’d have to come to terms with how crappy of a character Regina is.

And it’s really hysterical having Regina standing against domestic violence when Regina was the one that got away with so much abuse. Regina abused Henry and Snow. Regina also kept a sex slave (Graham in the EF)n and forced him into a relationship with her against his will (cursed Graham). I actually talked recently about how Regina is more like to abuse her partner than Killian Jones: CaptainSwan abusive marriage debunked.

I mean which one has struck Emma out of jealousy? Or anger? Or just enjoyed being cruel to her? Their queen!

So they can write all of the AU and highly OOC fanfic they want but at the end of the day canon reigns supreme. Because using their logic, Regina is the one more likely to abuse Emma because Regina has a history of doing so even after her redemption and she was never consumed by evil in the first place.

[ouatsnark]

CaptainSwan has an abusive marriage because Hook was a villain. DEBUNKED.

I had a request on X formerly known as Twitter to debunk the below CaptainSwan hate. I think I have covered all of this before but I thought I might remind the Regina Apologists that if you use these arguments against CaptainSwan you’re a raging hypocrite. So yes, this is going to be another “but what about your ship” post just for the purpose of pointing out the hypocrisy.

So buckle up CSers and let’s dive into another installment of “WTF did that Regina apologist just say!?”

Proof of Emma & Killian’s Abusive Marriage?

Apparently Emma is doomed to a life of abuse, because according to Regina Apologists, Killian has a history of abusing Emma:

Hook physical assaulted Emma: Body Slamming, Shoved, abused other women too (villain Hook)

Hook sexual assaulted Emma and other women (false)

Hook attempted to kidnap Emma’s son (a swing & a miss)

Hook has poor communication skills (writing trope, stfu)

Hook has a drinking problem (HAD. therefor head canon)

Hook is rude to Emma’s mother (shower remark) and Henry (ONE TIME. You’re never rude to anyone?)

Hook shifts blame from himself to Emma (ONE TIME if you even want to count this & it’s about killing David’s father & he corrected himself)

Hook made Emma co-dependent as she was willing to let her parents die and her brother become an orphan (What is this even? Is it the Under World trip? But Henry isn’t mentioned… I think they got their Regina list confused with the Killian list.)

Hook treated her like trash, manipulated & lied to her, put her down, especially when angry (Villain/DO Hook)

Hook jumped off a roof just to get Emma to talk to him (get over it losers)

Hook is Professor of Moodiness 101 (What is that even? They didn’t have enough bullet points I guess)

Hook thinks family and friends are possessions but Emma’s loved ones are threatened by Killian?? Tried to maliciously kill Emma’s family and friends (more Villain/Dark Hook & he apologized, went to hell and was tortured)

What about the future of Regina & Emma's toxic friendship (cause canonically that's all that existed)?

Regina physically assaulted Emma and plenty of other people too.

Regina sexually assaulted Graham AND y’all seem to think “taste my forbidden (poison) fruit” is sexual.

Regina abused Emma’s son, tried to turn him against her and then attempted to kidnap him (she was evil so she had no rights, please understand this)

Regina has a self-centered, wont listen to anyone else, attitude problem

Regina also has poor communication skills

Regina is rude to Emma’s family and friends ALL OF THE TIME. So not just once like Killian. But All the time.

Regina was the one that actually let Emma’s parents sacrifice themselves in S6 for her instead of being a true hero.

Regina actually treated Emma like garbage before and after her supposed redemption (Regina lied, manipulated, used, insulted, degraded and dismissed Emma all 6 seasons)

Regina used the dagger to hurt Emma and tried to force Emma to tell her secrets that Emma didn’t want to share with Regina

Regina murdered Emma’s wish parents in front of her & no amount of begging made her stop (she still failed)

Regina destroyed Emma’s life and was the one to actually try and murder Emma and her parents on multiple occasions AND SHE DOES NOT REGRET IT.

If things that Villain Hook and the Hook consumed by Darkness did is proof that redeemed Killian Jones will abuse Emma Swan then the exact same can be said for Regina Mills. And Regina was never consumed by darkness. I know you all like to pretend that Dark Hook was the “Real Hook” but it wasn’t and you need to get over that. The darkness controls & manipulates its host but you’d know that if you looked at Rumple or even watched Season 5.

So are we done using these as reasons Emma and Killian will have an abusive marriage? Because obviously if SwanQueen had ever been a thing then they would have an extremely abusive partnership if we apply this same logic to them. Actually, Regina is more likely to abuse Emma than Killian Jones because between the two of them my list is more accurate for her and she has history of domestic violence (Graham, Snow, Henry, King Leo, her father). And the fact that Regina is an abusive “friend”.

But OUATSnark, all of these one time things add up! Yeah, we’re human beings. Our mistakes tend to do that. That’s why circumstances, context, intent and patterns and responses matter. So let’s break these down one by one shall we? I will be throwing Rumbelle into the mix just in case any Rumbellers out there wanna agree with the Regina Apologists.

Physical Assault

CLAIM: Hook physically assaulted Emma by body slamming her and shoving her. He also physically abused other women.

CORRECTION! Emma and Hook physically assaulted each other. Kinda. Is this what the kids are calling sword fights these days? This happened when Hook was a villain. When Emma and Hook were on opposing sides. Yes, they had a sword fight. Things happen during a sword fight. You know how that ended? He got a rock to the face. Way to go Emma! That was also after she betrayed him. Way to not listen to your literal inner voice, Emma. And yes, Hook gave her a little shove out of the way to get to Rumple. All of this happened when they were still enemies.

Neither Hook nor Emma touch each other in a violent way once he is on his path to redemption and aside from them being literally consumed by evil. Them as dark ones is not a measuring tool for how they are since they’re no longer consumed by evil.

Other abuse: Yes, Hook was a villain. He had victims that were women. He had victims that were men, too. The women victims, however, weren’t victims because they were women or because he was seeking to control them in a relationship so that does not mean he’d be an abusive husband. He was an equal opportunist villain. Please check his EQUAL partnership with Milah as more proof he is not a domestic abuser. Just because someone commits one kind of crime doesn’t mean they commit all kinds of different crimes. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

So why is all of this a problem now that Hook’s redeemed? It’s not a problem unless you hate CaptainSwan because you (wrongly) think Hook ruined your chances at your actual abusive toxic ship because…

Regina was physically abusive to Emma before her redemption:

She tried to poison Emma, twice (S1)

Threw her down a driveway (S2 when Emma rightly called Henry “HER SON”)

Punched her (S1 over Graham)

Choked her (S2 trying to stop Emma from getting in the way of turning Cora into a DO)

So Regina also has a history of being physically abusive to Emma when they were still enemies. I guess that means Swanqueen would have a terribly abusive marriage too, then, right? Or are you a double standard hypocrite? For the record, I don’t think the above is proof she undoubtedly would be. However…

Oh but wait, Regina was physically abusive to Emma AFTER her redemption:

Regina used the dagger to control Emma and LIKED that it hurt Emma. This is only significant because Regina reveled in hurting Emma with that dagger. She didn’t even apologize or care either. In fact she thought it was great that she made Emma thank her. That’s just abusive behavior. I’m sorry. When you hurt someone you love you apologize even if it’s an accident. And you sure as hell do not do it again then demand being thanked!

She used that dagger to torture Emma into revealing truths to her that Emma didn’t want to tell her. Regina might have been trying to help but she continued when an obviously hurting Emma BEGGED her to stop. Regina ultimately failed. But if Hook’s past is a reason you claim he’ll physically hurt Emma in the future then this is definitely a sign that Regina will push Emma past her breaking point if Regina wants something from her bad enough. Fair is fair, y’all!

Regina then murdered Emma’s wish parent’s in front of her Emma’s anguish didn’t even phase Regina. Again she pushed Emma past her breaking point and didn’t stop. SHE DID NOT STOP. Because Regina wanted to be the hero by any means necessary and she still failed! Emma’s pain is what brought Killian out of the darkness. Regina just kept on going!

Other abuses: Aside from all the murder, she choked a village child, abused her knights, tortured people and goodness knows what other things during her years of Tyranny. So. Yes, Regina likes to abuse people. She abused Belle after her redemption and didn’t care. She verbally abused young August (yes, she snapped under pressure but she is rude to someone at least every episode).

But do you know what Regina’s big red flag is? She forced Graham to have a relationship with her then killed him for rejecting her.

So which one is more likely to domestically abuse Emma and force her into a relationship? Hook or Regina? Regina has a history of domestic abuse so the answer would be Regina.

And for you Rumbellers out there that think Rumbelle had a beautiful marriage, lets remind you that Rumple was physically abusive to Belle:

Shook her

Threw her in a tower & locked her away

Put her in a sleeping curse

Uh oh looks like Rumbelle is going to be a highly physically abusive marriage! But wait, we already knew that. At least those of us without blinders on.

Newsflash y’all the enemies to lovers ships have a history of fighting. Shocker. But the only one to come to physical abuse AFTER redemption was SwanQueen. Therefor if you ship SwanQueen you shouldn’t be saying “CaptainSwan’s marriage is violent because of stuff that happens when they’re enemies”. And if you ship Rumbelle you should just stop talking all together.

Sexual Assault

CLAIM: Killian kissed Emma without her consent! He’s a pirate! All pirates rape! And he’s admitted to getting women drunk to rape them!

Do I have to say this again? Killian was trying to break a curse. The writers were paralleling them with Snowing. Just get over it!

And no, just because he was a pirate that doesn’t make him a canon rapist. You want to fanon him as one? That’s sick but it’s your right. But your fanon is not proof of canon.

And those words were not in that EF pub scene, that is not what that scene was about, and Emma has NO REACTION? Please just exercise some honesty and use some brain cells, I beg you!

Besides, If Hook is a sexual abuser because of the attempted true love kiss then so is David. If we follow this logic then surely he assaults Snow on a nightly basis, right? This isn’t meant to be a strawman argument… I am just trying to point out the hypocrisy. I know no one believes David does this cause it’d be far too ridiculous. So why is Hook held to a different standard? Because he is a villain or because you just hate him? Cause both kisses happened under the same circumstances and we never see Hook force a kiss on anyone outside of this very specific circumstance.

But let’s talk about Regina. Since y’all think “how to get the savior to taste my forbidden (poison) fruit” is something sexual then what does that say about your ship? Because to me it says sexual abuse is just fine as long as it’s Regina doing it. And as I said earlier she forced Graham into a relationship with her. She sexually assaulted him for 28 years then murdered him when he rejected her. What about David? Yes, her trying to seduce a cursed David is 100% attempted sexual assault. I’ve even seen people convincingly argue that she’s even touched Killian inappropriately and suggested she’d make David a sex slave when she had him in her prison.

And for you RUMBELLE stans out there: Yes, Rumple assaults Belle several times. Once when he was masquerading as Killian AFTER her rejection and ejection from her life. He uses the author to re-write her as his wife AFTER her rejection. And he kisses her without permission while she’s in the sleeping curse AFTER she’s rejected him again.

OK while we’re here let me just draw the SWANFIRE fans into this: Yeah yeah yeah Neal wouldn’t have been charged for statutory rape since 16 was the age of consent in that state but lets not pretend that a 150 yr old with a 16/17 year old isn’t cringy. His body might not have aged but he has the experience of two lifetimes worth of emotional and mental maturity. And again it’s just sick.

So I ask you… out of all these couples…which one is more likely to sexually abuse their partner? Regina and Rumple is the answer because they have CANON history of doing so. Neal is more likely to cheat on Emma with a much younger woman. Deal with it.

So lets also scratch sexual abuse off your reasons CaptainSwan is abusive cause one, its a lie and two, your favorite (Rumple, Regina or Neal) is actually the canon rapist.

Kidnapping Henry

CLAIM: “Hook attempted to kidnap her son. (To save him from Zelena, Cool motive. Still kidnapping)… I’m sure none of these things will cause problems in their marriage [sarcasm]”

So apparently Hook attempting to kidnap Henry to save him from Zelena is proof that Hook is going to abuse Emma during their marriage? Or maybe they meant Henry? Still. Say what? That does not even make even a little bit of sense. But to say this as someone who ships Regina and Emma? Are you for real? Lets review.

Regina actually physically and emotionally abused Henry.

Regina poisoned Henry (To kill Emma. Cool motive. Still did it.)

Regina mind-wiped Henry so she could kidnap him to the Enchanted Forest and leave Emma to die (she had no rights to him)

Regina used vines to restrain Henry after his rejecting her Regina gaslit Henry and made him & everyone else think he's crazy.

Regina lied & manipulated Henry to get him to hate Emma and Snow

Regina used him to get Emma to leave the jail so she could talk to a prisoner

Regina sent Emma’s son to spy on the dark one so she could rewrite her own story & screw up everyone elses

Hell, Emma kidnapped him in Season 1 to get him away from Regina’s abusive ass!

So before you use “Hook kidnapped Henry” as an excuse as to why CaptainSwan will have an abusive marriage please check your own ship first because Regina actually has a history of abusing Henry to get what she wants. At least Hook was attempting to protect him. Regina was purposefully hurting him.

Furthermore... I know you all would have been 100x more critical if Killian did nothing or if he'd chanced telling Emma. You all would say he was still endangering Henry. So, honestly, save your fake outrage.

Poor Communication Skills

CLAIM: “Hook got drunk instead of telling Emma the truth about her grandfather"

Since Hook got a little drunk one time while trying to work up the courage to tell Emma about David’s father he now has poor communication skills? That’s right folks. One time. See logical people understand that if something happens one time it’s not an indication that it is an ongoing problem. But if you hate Killian Jones it is an excuse to say that if he did it once of course he does it all the time!

Also it’s not like failing to tell someone something isn’t the oldest writing trope of all time. That couldn’t be it, could it!??? Like this is such a pathetic reach. CaptainSwan talk all the time about everything. About his part in Rumple’s past. That time he sat down with her and helped her see what her parents were going through. The fact that he’s always the one to say “I love you” first. But sure you go ahead and ignore that.

What about Regina and Emma? Regina had to use the dagger on Emma to try and get her to tell her why Emma was holding onto the darkness. All Killian had to do was ask. Regina dragged Emma to a bar to get her to open up about Killian leaving and Emma opened up to a bar tender instead! Regina refused to talk to Emma about Robin. Regina refused to listen to Emma about Henry/Pan and just walked away instead of communicating! Regina went back to Cora instead of seeking help from Emma. So far I am seeing more instances of SwanQueen not communicating!

You wanna talk about RUMBELLE’S communication or lack thereof? When did you ever hear Rumple ask Belle what she wanted? Cause he basically was just like “I’m gonna move your life around where I want it without asking”.

So again, what ship has the worse communication problems? Regina and Emma’s friendship sucks but honestly I’d give this one to Rumple since he just takes charge of Belle’s life.

Alcoholism

Hook apparently STILL has a drinking problem. Did you guys know that? I didn’t. Literally news to me! OK I’ve heard the claim before but it’s just another reach and a miss. Claims of Hook having a drinking problem are from biased people who’ve obviously never seen alcoholism. Or someone who successfully got on the wagon and stayed on it.

First off, no drunk is the same. You have angry drunks, friendly drunks, happy drunks, sleepy drunks, hyper drunks. We never see Hook as an angry drunk. So to say that he’s an angry abusive drunk is 100% fanon. We actually see him as a pretty happy, charming, drunk who’s giving Emma an out on whether or not to accompany him to his ship. So obviously not an angry or controlling drunk.

Secondly, has anyone actually counted how many times we’ve seen him drink? Because it was not every episode. NM that having one drink a day doesn’t make you an alcoholic. Getting drunk every once in a while does not make you an alcoholic. If it did then I guess I’d better get myself to AA.

Thirdly, we only see him as a falling down drunk on a few occasions. We know he was a drunk while on a slaver ship. And if you're going to hold that against him then I know you're a biased hypocrite who only cares about your fanon version of Regina's childhood and refuses to think about the fact that Killian was sold as a child slave. Liam pulled him out of that life and he was a good sailor in the navy (until the king double crossed them). The next time we see him as a falling down drunk was the season 3 finale when Emma was plying him with alcohol to keep him distracted. He was inebriated when he proposed but he was neither stumbling nor slurring his words.

So my point is: We never see present day Killian Jones drunk when he is needed or shirking his duties because of it. Alcoholism destroys jobs, relationships and your ability to function in life on a weekly if not daily basis. When did Killian do any of that? Again. Having a couple of drinks does not make you an alcoholic.

Furthermore, Hook is over 300 years old. If he STILL had an alcohol problem he’d have succumbed to it by now. But he obviously overcame that addiction since leaving the slave ship. There is nothing in canon about present day Killian Jones to suggest he'd fall back into alcoholism since he has something to live for and isn't being abused on a slave ship.

Just admit you all look for ways to hate on the ship instead of being honest.

Being rude to Emma’s mother and Henry

CLAIM: "Hook was rude to Snow & made a remark about needing a shower. He also snapped at Henry."

So let me get this straight. One joke about taking a cold shower means Killian will be so rude to Snow in the future that it will affect his marriage to Emma? Where is the pattern? It happening one time (I never took this as being rude but hey you’re welcome to the opinion) doesn’t indicate a problem. None of us ever behave perfectly. But apparently Killian Jones has to or else y'all go into hysterics!

I think it’s rather unfair to take one instance, blow it out of proportion, and use it to say CaptainSwan is abusive or will have an abusive marriage. If you don’t think it’s funny, that’s fine. Just acknowledge your bias and move on.

And the thing about Hook snapping at Henry? Again. ONE TIME. And it was under stressful circumstances. It’s not like the frustration was coming out of nowhere. The lives of people he cared about were in danger. And if you know anything about Hook, he hates just sitting still. I mean watch how antsy he was waiting on Merlin to find a way to help Emma. His reaction was 100% wrong. But it was also human.

Do you all know how often Regina puts Snow down? Are you all aware of it? I know you guys like to call it “sass” but clutching your pearls over one joke makes y’all look like hypocrites. I can let one thing slide but you know something is wrong when there is a pattern and Regina has a consistent pattern. She does it all the time. And it’s not even just to Snow! She is rude to Emma’s friends as well and the man Emma is dating. I don’t care if you hate the person your BFF is dating. You don’t put them down. It’s not going to do anyone any good except to hurt the person you profess to care about. And that’s not being a very good friend is it? No.

So I ask you again. Who is more likely to consistently insult Emma’s loved ones in the future? Regina. She has the pattern and the history of doing so. Therefor, strike this off your reasons to hate on CaptainSwan because your queen is just as guilty!

P.S. Rumbellers - don't think you're off the hook here. Be for real. Rumple doesn't value anyone's life except his own (and therefor Belle's because he wants her).

Shifts Blame

CLAIM: “Hook shifts blame from himself to Emma and blames her for not being able to tell her about David’s father”

“I swear to you… I wanted to tell you. I tried. But then you found that ring, and I just couldn't bear to ruin that happiness. Because I was ashamed, Emma, and scared of losing you and everything that matters to me.”

I never took Killian’s line here as him shifting blame. He was not accusing her. His tone was not accusatory. He was explaining to her why he couldn’t bring himself to ruin her happiness. He also goes onto explain how ashamed he was. All of that played a part in him making the wrong decision.

If you want to see this as him shifting blame. Ok. That’s you're right. HOWEVER. Again. To say that this one moment of weakness defines their entire relationship is completely dishonest especially since he totally recognizes his fault and says so the moment he reunites with her. And this is literally the only instance you can find of Killian (possibly) shifting blame.

I also think it’s very disingenuous seeing that he could have continued to blame Emma for everything he did as Dark Hook since she went against his wishes. But he didn’t. He took responsibility for his weakness. So this thing over David’s father is not a normal every day behavior. Y’all act like he’s gonna yell at her about dirty dishes he left in the sink and it’s just absurd. Killian was sincere when he tells her "I could never be angry with you" and he's pretty much lived up to that since his redemption.

Furthermore, have you never been so embarrassed by something you did that you tried to get away from it? What Killian Jones did was a very human reaction to immense guilt.

And then you have Regina Mills. She is the queen of shifting blame and she’s done it more than once. Tried to blame Henry being in the mine on Emma when it was really her fault. The entire Marian arc was about blaming Emma for her own mess. Regina blamed Emma for the wraith chasing Robin Hood. Blames Emma for having to kill Wish Snowing. She NEVER apologizes for any of that. The author only records what happens (only one canon instance where the author abused his powers to manipulate a story and that was Snowing) yet Regina blames the book for the choices she made. Regina blamed Snow for making her the evil queen when Regina chose to do what she did of her own free will. She blames Rumple as well and while Rumple might have handed her the key she chose to take it and open up the door to dark magic. She sought Rumple out. She chose to go down that path. But everyone else gets blamed besides Regina. Cora gets blamed even though she was long gone when Regina sought Rumple out because she admitted to LIKING the dark magic. Hell, for a good portion of S6 they all acted like the evil queen was a separate entity!

Co-dependence

CLAIM: “Killian made Emma co-dependent as she was willing to let her parents die and her brother become an orphan“

WHEN WAS THIS? I don’t think it is S5 otherwise they’d mention Henry. If they are talking about S6 that was Regina… like when I say they project, they project! Emma tried to stop serumQueen. You know who could have easily stopped the serumQueen? Regina. By using her own heart. But she only did that to save Zelena. Regina also could have sacrificed herself to save the very people that are responsible for the 999 chances she's gotten and whose lives she destroyed.

So laying this on Emma is just an outrageous reach especially calling it co-dependent when just last season Emma set out to kill Dark Hook and then made the decision to leave Killian in the Underworld and return to Storybrooke.

You want to talk about co-dependence?

Regina was so damn dependent on Robin and getting her happy ending that she shut Henry out of his occasional home so she could mope. She was so damn dependent on Robin for happiness that she thought about destroying Emma’s happiness with Hook. Regina was so dependent on Robin that she abandoned Emma and their ride BACK TO HENRY to chase Wish Robin after she just got done reassuring Emma that Wish People weren’t real! Kindly STFU.

You want to talk about co-dependence?

Rumple refuses to let Belle go.

Badly treated: manipulation, lies, insults, etc

The only times Killian has ever treated Emma like “trash” is when he was a villain (and she gave it right back to him) and when he was literally cursed by darkness. And no, my little Regina apologists, his Dark One Hook persona is not who he REALLY is. Who he REALLY is, is the man we saw right before being consumed and after. The man who always put Emma first, encouraged her, supported her and believed in her. If you follow canon, it is quite clear that being consumed by darkness changes you and not only that the darkness was pushing for him to hate Emma so that they could separate them and use Killian to get what they wanted.

What really irks me is that if everything Killian said to Emma while a villain or consumed by darkness is reason that redeemed Killian would abuse Emma later in marriage then newsflash hypocrites Regina would do 10x worse. Because even after her supposed redemption Regina insulted Emma and ridiculed nearly ever plan or idea she came up with. Yet it is OK to ship Emma with Regina? So let’s review.

Regina treating Emma like garbage, lying, manipulating, insulting her etc etc BEFORE her redemption:

Regina: I will destroy you if it is the last thing I do.

Regina: …How grateful I am to have Henry. Because not having someone? Well, that’s the worst curse imaginable. (Praying on Emma’s vulnerability)

Blaming Emma for Henry being the mine when it's Regina's fault

Regina: Well, of course not. Because you’re incapable of feeling anything for anyone. There’s a reason you’re alone, isn’t there? (again praying on Emma's vulnerability & shifting blame for emma's life)

Fires Emma from her job. Says she doesn’t deserve the badge.

Regina: Well, I think you picked a really slow horse this time. It’s not like you to back a loser.

That time she published Emma’s jail record; Regina: Oh, I’m sorry. You didn’t want people to know you cut his cord with a shiv?

Snaps at Emma for saving her in a fire

Regina Mills spent the first season trying to turn Henry against Emma

Would have let Emma die but only saved her and Snow in the end because of Henry (s2)

Regina: Because you know so much about parenting in the five minutes you’ve been with him. Talk to David. At least he took care of him while you were away. Like I did, during the ten years you were away the first time. (anti-birth parent rhetoric, victim blaming & diminishing the child abuse she put Henry through)

Regina: Miss Swan. I assume you’re here to apologize. - where the eff is her apology for everything?

Regina: He's not yours. He's mine. And after I cast this, you'll never see him again.

Regina called her an idiot

Dismissing Emma about fearing for Henry in NL (S3)

So surely if all of Killian’s words against Emma before his redemption & during being consumed by darkness is a sign he’d continue long into their marriage then Regina’s insults and ill treatment are a sign she’d do the same? Right?

Oh but wait, Regina’s ill treatment of Emma AFTER her redemption:

Dismissing Emma’s struggle as Dark Swan & acting like she knows more about what’s it like to be consumed by evil when she has never been consumed (5x23)

Acting like she’s the only one to ever lose love (S5, Robin stabbing)

Never once thinking of Emma when Hook died - all she could do is belittle Emma over trying to save him because it effected her yet she did the same thing with Robin & even Daniel! 

Wanted her HEA at the expense of others & endangered Henry to get it & also ignored the danger Emma was in to find it (s4 over rewriting the book)

Saying she was Henry’s best chance during the Shattered Sight curse (s4) and that wasn't true

Ignoring Emma’s concerns about Henry and falsely accusing Emma of being jealous (Pan-S3)

Making Emma feel bad about Henry’s tear all because she is jealous she doesn’t know Henry as well as Emma & ignoring how much she hurt Henry (S5 finale)

Regina called Emma a problem (5x01)

Regina stole Emma’s agency because she didn’t trust her to make the right choice whereas Killian insisted it had to be her choice without forcing her.

Regina believed the worse; that Emma would destroy light magic.

Regina blamed Emma right away for the demon. She never apologized (5x02).

THE ENTIRE MARIAN ARC. Regina had Emma doubting in herself when in fact everything that was happening was Regina’s fault.

Calls Emma an idiot again

Regina claims Emma ruined her life

Regina often doubted Emma’s abilities & thought she was more capable and Regina refused to follow her leadership (S3 over the map, S3 over Zelena, S3 over finding Neal who could read the star map, S6 in mirror mirror)

She often used anti-birth mother rhetoric (accusing Emma of being jealous in 3x10, being safer with her in shattered sight curse, S5 finale over Henry & Violet’s favorite song & the sEQ calling herself his real mother).

Swanfire really needs to shut up about this too. Emma and Neal weren’t enemies so their list isn’t as dramatic as SwanQueen and CaptainSwan but it doesn’t mean it isn't bad! And it is bad considering the fact that Neal abandoned her, laughed about her powers, yelled at her for not telling him about Henry AFTER he was the one to walk away from her, let her take the fall for his crimes and then only tried to get her back when it was convenient for HIM.

Rumbellers also have no room to criticize Killian’s past and use it as a way to disparage CaptainSwan because their ship is full of horrible things. Adultery. Liking Belle to an object to have (makes statements that he can have Belle and his power). Lied to her about the dagger then married her anyway. Thinks Belle is ignorant and wants to keep her that way. Literally shackled her with that bracelet to control her.

OutlawQueen can take a seat too. The fact that they committed adultery next to his dying wife's frozen body makes that ship absolutely disgusting. And yes, it counts because they believed her to be his wife. Intent matters. And the fact that Regina never told him the truth or how she wanted to make sure his son never had a mother so she could have Robin. AWFUL.

Hook jumped off a roof just to get Emma to talk to him

Come talk to me when he does this cause she’s on a date with someone else, just sitting around talking to her friends or family or you know otherwise busy and when they aren’t in the middle of a major crisis where everyone could die.

Hook is the Professor of Moodiness 101

Seriously. Wtf is this? They didn’t have enough bullet points I guess? Have they met Regina Mills? Cause Regina is constantly snapping at everyone. I know you all like to laugh and say “she’s just sassy” but that doesn’t make her comments or the tone she says them in any less rude. And no one laughs but you all. And yes, she does this a lot in frustrating moments but it’s all the time compared to Killian’s …what? Two?

Whether you all like it or not Killian Jones's attitude is dramatically different after the S3 winter finale onward. And he improves even more after the s4 winter finale. By the time we get to the last half of Season 5 we are looking at a much more mature Killian Jones being the man he was always meant to be.

But Regina? Regina never loses her attitude. She may have stopped killing. She may have joined team hero to get her happy ending. But she is still rude and extremely self-centered.

Trying to murder friends and loved ones

CLAIM: Family and friends are possessions but Emma’s loved ones are threatened by Killian?? Tried to maliciously kill Emma’s family and friends

I love how they threw “maliciously” in there like there is any other way to try to kill someone? Gotta make it sound more sinister, I guess? Ok Regina Apologist! Whatever floats your boat!

I think this refers to Killian being consumed by darkness which he only did because he was indeed consumed by darkness. So if this is why Killian will abuse Emma in the future then surely Regina’s lifelong goal of killing Emma and the Charmings is also cause to say that she too would abuse Emma in the future? Otherwise I missed all of the plotting he did before and after? He doesn’t have cause to try and kill Emma’s friends or family. He never did. So the only way this would occur is if he’s cursed again.

Regina has reasons to though! Out of jealousy and her want to have Henry to herself! So yes, my little Regina apologist. Regina is more likely to snap later on and decide she’s sick of watching everyone else be happy and create another curse. Just look at how much she wanted to steal Emma’s happiness when she lost Robin? That is after her “redemption” too.

And for you Rumbellers out there, Rumple tried in S4, 5, 6 and 7 to isolate Belle from everyone by killing them off or harming them in some way. And when he finally managed to get her alone, she rapidly aged and died. So really you all have no room to talk about any other ship.

Regina also tried to murder Robin's wife. So OutlawQueen can also scratch this one out. I mean the only reason they're together is because Regina murdered his wife.

CONCLUSION: Regina is more likely to abuse her future partner & Rumbelle is the poster ship for domestic abuse

So heads up OutlawQueen, SwanFire, SwanQueen, Rumbellers or pretty much any ship outside of Snowing... do not come at my ship for things that have nothing to do with the present day relationship when I have plenty of "present time" receipts to make your ship look 10x worse.

CaptainSwan fans ship Emma Swan with the Killian Jones who was the only one to ever put her first, let her make every decision moving forward in their relationship and was the only one to always believe in her.

[ouatsnark]

saw a sq say that the "hook would never abandon emma" is a lie because he did it hen he worked with cora in rumple's cell and calls her useless. they weren't even together, regina tried to poison her a week ago in that time but alright

They love to use things villain Hook did but won't hold Regina to the same standard.

If Regina was so in love with Emma then why didn't she jump into the hat portal in S2 instead of Snow? Why did it take Henry pleading with her and threatening to never speak to her again to help save Emma?

So if villain Hook leaving Emma behind means that reformed Hook would do the same.... using that logic so would Regina.

In fact I did this whole thing a while back that pretty much displays how if they held Regina to the same standard by using the same logic they use against Hook that it would mean they shouldn't be shipping SwanQueen because it's like 20x worse.

[ouatsnark]

Quote: "Once Upon a Time creators planned Swanqueen. It's clear in their interactions. "

What interactions? The ones where Regina threatened and tried to kill Emma? The ones where Emma is determined to find out what Regina is doing to her son?

Which interactions? The one where Regina tried to poison her and ended up poisoning Emma's son instead? Or the one where Emma falls for Graham, a man that Regina is sexually abusing, and Regina punches Emma for it?

Which interactions? The one where Regina tries to kill Emma's entire family so that she can continue to abuse Emma's son? Which interactions?

The interaction when Regina gets in Emma's face to manipulate Emma into believing she is an innocent mom worried for her son and actually not the reason he is in imminent danger? Yeah the one y'all take out of context to sexualize? That one?

Bull hockey.

There is NOTHING in Season 1-2 to indicate that Swanqueen was ever going to be a thing. Just because you find two people on screen to be hot together does not mean that they will, or should, get together. This goes for all crack ships of all sexual orientations. I've been disappointed too when my favorite characters didn't hook up. But I realized what I was hoping for was just not being written. That doesn't mean you can't crack ship it, even if its toxic! Just stop spreading the lies and attacking people for not believing your fanon.

Quote: "Emma hated Hook in S2"

Emma hated Regina in S1-2. What's your point?

In reality, Emma's "lie detecting" ability registered more in favor of Killian than it ever did for Regina. I mean at the end of S1 Emma stayed when she discovered Regina didn't answer truthfully about loving Henry. Yet, Emma's super power said she could trust Killian on the beanstalk.

Killian was always more honest with Emma than Regina. Emma was always more open with Killian about things that mattered than she ever was with Regina. Remember, Emma opened up to a bar tender in S6 but not Regina.

Quote: "CaptainSwan is toxic and abusive"

This accusation coming from a Swanqueen shipper is laughable. Regina Mills is the one that is toxic & abusive towards Emma (and Henry & everyone else) meanwhile Killian Jones is the exact opposite of that. They stand in stark contrast of each other. I've already covered that in my Regina vs Killian post so I won't go through it here.

Until Next Time

This is yet another installment of "what the hell did that Regina Apologist just say"! If you got something you've seen that should be debunked .... let me know! Though I think I've covered a lot of it. Otherwise I'll see you in the next one. Have a good one.

[ouatsnark]

here's a quote from another hate blog... Emma is a fictional character who therefore did not to decide to not wear makeup anymore but is potrayed like that because it that because it was supposed to mean something." but JMO was sick in seasons 4-6 AND EMMA WAS IN DISTRESS so this is broken record???? what

I am so glad they told us Emma was a fictional character because I was all confused there for a moment. /sarcasm

They always be reaching! I mean even if we didn't have canon they could just listen to JMO. Which I don't think Emma not wearing make-up had anything to do with JMOs health but more to do with Emma's distress plus symbolizing her shedding her armor. JMO definitely was not hinting that Emma was miserable with Hook because JMO is definitely pro-captainswan. There was no other hidden meaning behind that.

But more of that here:

[ouatsnark]

More about how SwanQueen is the real Rape Culture Crack Ship

A while back a Regina stan tried to call me a rapist apologist so I debunked their lies about CaptainSwan & turned their bullshit around on their crack ship by writing SwanQueen promotes Rape Culture. This is from another one that I saw attacking another CaptainSwan fan.

Claim 1: Hook never changes

Amazing that they include 3 instances when he was a villain, two of which are from the same scene, and one of Dark Hook as proof. They of course follow that up by saying “the darkness only brought out his real self”. So Rumple was already an evil murderer prior to being consumed by the darkness? That’s not really what the darkness does or Rumple would’ve been a bigger coward.

Emma, and I quote, says “The darkness is using you. It doesn’t care what you want. It only cares what it wants.” Yes, the darkness re-awakened Killian’s thirst for revenge but if you can’t see the change in him after Season 3 it’s because you’re biased. He does NOT continue to act like a 300 year old pirate once he decides to change nor does she continue to insult anyone, murder them or seek power after the darkness leaves him.

This below quotes are only the tip of the ice berg that is the devotion that Killian Jones shows to Emma Swan. And Killian did mean them. He was also the only one to defend her against the dagger and everyone believing the worse of Dark Swan.

Counter Claim 1: Regina may have stopped murdering but she didn’t stop being cruel

I’ve literally written so much on Emma & Regina’s toxic friendship. And Regina was never consumed by darkness.

I could go on but why don’t you just see how Regina won my “best friend reward”

NOTE: I’m skipping over a lot of opinionated nonsense that had nothing to back it up. But let me tell you... anyone who thinks Killian was breaking down Emma’s walls like it was some kind of prize has reached so far into the man hate mode that there’s probably no sense in even continuing on... but lets do for some more laughs

Claim 2: Hook is creepy cause he chases Emma

“him creepily chasing emma when she made it clear she's uncomfortable around him and is not interested. this sends a wrong message, that no doesn't always mean no and you should keep trying because deep down this person wants to be with you. it promotes rape culture“

Oh so you shouldn’t apologize to someone when you didn’t listen or heed their advice? Oh that’s right this is a Regina stan so of course not you just blame someone else for it!

Emma has never made it clear that she’s uncomfortable around him. She was just making out with the guy! Then kissed him and told him “be patient” as she was dealing with the guilt that Regina has lumped onto her! If you knew anything about Emma then you’d pay attention to this:

She’s pulling away because of the walls she built around her heart when Neal left her to take the fall for his crimes! She has always been terrified of losing those she loves.

And just stop taking away Emma’s ability to think for herself. If she wasn’t OK with him then she wouldn’t have made out in the street with him moments later! And yes, she did kiss him back. Her arms go around him. So take your opinionated BS and shove it.

“But he physically grabbed her!”

So what? Regina has tossed her down a drive way, punched her, tried to poison her.. I mean really you’ve never tried to stop someone from walking away from you? Give me a break!

Counter Claim 3: Regina vilified Emma, made her doubt herself & was rewarded for it

Emma doesn’t need to apologize for saving a woman from being murdered. But I guess she does if it hurts the attempted murderer! How disgusting.

Then Regina goes on to agree that Emma is an “idiot” for trying to befriend her, throws the friendship back in her face and basically tells her to get lost throughout the entire Marian arc.

A friend should never make you feel like this.

Then Regina blames Emma for something Regina caused! Regina murdered Marian in the first place! If she hadn’t been a murderer this wouldn’t be happening but this never actually is spoken about.

The only thing that keeps being brought up is that Emma saved Marian and “ruined” Regina’s life. Never mind that a little boy got his mother back (or would have if it hadn’t been Zelena).

It was some of the most sickening writing to ever witness... watching a hero being vilified for saving a woman’s life then groveling at the feet of the murderer literally turns my stomach. It should turn yours too. This is an instance of the writing turning Emma into a doormat for the sake of Saint Regina.

I chalk the whole thing up as Emma doing it for Henry but lets face facts... the show lost interest in making Regina pay for her crimes and turned it into the Once Upon a Murderer’s Pity Party.

In the end, Regina got to keep Emma as a “friend” and got to have drinks with her. In the real world, if we weren’t romanticizing wrong doing, Regina would’ve apologized and Emma would’ve gotten to be with someone who appreciates her: Killian.

Claim 4: Killian is a rapist!

“let me translate that for you  "i get girls drunk so they can't be in a right state of mind to decide if they actually want sex with me or not"

Let me translate your translation: “I’m just putting in a bunch of words into those lines and into those scenes so I can get to the conclusion I want to get to.” None of which is canon proof of anything.

I’ve written about this nonsense charge a lot and its tiring. So this is what I wrote on my “When SQ takes stuff out of context” post!

1) We see him matching Emma drink for drink (or so he thinks). He thinks she’s as drunk as he is. We see him drinking with other females. The show portrays him as someone who likes to drink and drink with other people. This is not a crime. He DOES NOT say he remains sober and gets women drunk. In fact…

2) Women and too drunk for sex while I’m sober is not in that line and is not what is being portrayed.

3) An off handed comment like this is not an admission of rape nor does it equal rape.

4) We see Killian walking away from Milah when they first met. We see Killian give Emma a couple of chances to back out. He isn’t forcing anything.

5) He paid off a pre-paid hooker… to be honest … if the show wanted to portray him as a rapist they did a pretty lousy job.

6) STOP MAKING EMMA OUT TO BE A RAPIST ENABLER! If that is what he was implying Emma would’ve killed him then and there!

You can’t use your opinion or your own twisting of words or inserting your own meaning into them as canon proof something happened. It’s only canon if the author has shown it to us. And the only canon rapists on Once Upon a Time are Regina, Zelena, Gothel and likely Rumple and depending on how you view statutory rape… Neal.

Counter Claim 4: Regina is the actual canon rapist

And when her victim breaks free of her hold and chooses Emma...what does she do? She murders him.

This is Regina murdering her rape victim and hurting Emma in the process.

Claim 5: Dark Hook Abused Henry

Yes. Dark Hook was an asshole. But we’ve been over the Dark Hook thing. He was literally consumed by darkness and the dark ones were using him. He was being manipulated.

Regina doesn’t have that excuse.

Counter Claim 5: Regina did abuse Henry & hurt him to get to Emma

This hurt Henry.

Regina knew it would hurt Henry.

She purposefully hurt Henry to make him hate Emma.

Regina using Henry to get something she wants from Emma.

Regina putting her broken heart before Henry.

Regina’s plot to kill Emma nearly kills Henry.

Hell I would literally be here all night. Just read Once Upon a Time Mother of the Year .

Claim 6: Hook hurts Emma to feel better about himself.

Who knew a declaration of love is abusive!

Yeah, couples quarrel. Admittedly this is a big quarrel. But was he really ever going to leave? Yes, a talk with Snow gets him to see the light but at some point you have to realize the emotional turmoil he was in. And he truly was in emotional distress.

All he’s ever wanted was to be good enough for Emma.

Counter Claim 6: All Regina does is insult EVERYONE to feel better about herself

I mean... come on this is too easy.

She even insults the people Emma cares about and she does so on a regular basis.

Claim 7: Hook is jealous

Oh noes a man is showing jealousy....

If jealousy is a sign of abuse or rape culture then every relationship both real and fictional is in a heap of trouble. Like... I can’t even with this.

Counter Claim 7: Regina’s jealousy leads to physical violence

Hmmm Regina actually struck Emma out of jealousy... what say you to that?

Also, she was not only afraid Graham & Emma would break her curse but she was also pissed he chose Emma over her. And she killed him for it.

Claim 8: Hook guilts her into kissing him

“Is that all your father’s life is worth to you”

I can’t believe how LITTLE these supposed Emma fans think of Emma. There is nothing in their exchange to suggest she felt guilty.

They bantered back and forth. She looked at his lips. He looked at hers... then she actually grabs him and pulls him in for a kiss.

If someone was going to give someone a guilt ridden kiss... it would have been a little peck. And then she’d have pulled back. But that isn’t what happened.

Emma kisses the holy hell out of him and they are both breathless afterwards. Take your stupidity elsewhere.

Counter Claim 8: Regina DOES guilt Emma

How cute for her to throw that back in Emma’s face. Especially since that was something Dark Swan had to do, not for herself, but for everyone so that the darkness would be destroyed.

Funny how none of Regina’s abuse against Henry ever gets thrown back in her face...

Regina sure didn’t mind guilting Emma here! As long as Regina got what she wanted out of it. Actually this was a pretty big manipulation without regard to Emma’s safety.

Claim 9: Hook doesn’t listen when Emma says “no”.

She’s never said “no”. Literally. Not once.

She says “not right now” a few times and he does back off.

But he wasn’t lying when he read her like an open book. He saw the look of abandonment in her eyes when they were on the beanstalk because he’d experience it himself. If he were to walk away it would have been just another person that walked away and left her.

Killian remaining at her side is one thing that brought down that wall she had around herself.

Claim 10: Hook keeps on suggesting he wants to have sex with Emma after she’s made it clear she doesn’t want him & that equals sexual violence

Keeps on? This happened in S2 prior to his redemption... 

Like... whatever.

Also equating sexual innuendo with real sexual violence is such a disgusting thing. You all need to stop cause the only thing you’re doing is trivializing real violence.

By the way, if he all he wanted was in Emma’s pants then bringing back Neal was a really poor way of doing that. Maybe try moving past villain Hook?

Counter Claim 10: Regina suggested sex too or so Swan Queen says

Only Regina was trying to murder Emma at the time.

Also this is all I got since Emma didn’t want Regina and Regina didn’t want her either. Not even for a friend...

OK that was low since I just went over the Marian thing but to be honest Emma should’ve kept this sentiment throughout the series because Regina was NOT a good friend.

Claim 11: Emma had to give into Hook’s trickery

That is just BS.

Stop treating Emma like she doesn’t have a mind of her own!

Emma CHOSE to kiss him.

Emma CHOSE to ask him out on a date first.

Emma CHOSE to move in with him.. she asked him first! He waited!

Emma CHOSE to marry him.. she proposed before he could!

And no, Hook never actually asked Emma out on a date. He made a quip in 4x01 after she’s made out with him but he literally waited around until she was ready. Remember, Emma is afraid of the future cause the future has left her broken and alone before. She did not want to lose anyone else. Especially him.

Counter Claim 12: Regina didn’t have Emma fooled

Cause Emma actually is smart.

I mean...

Just saying...

And how does Regina act to all of this? She guilts Emma. Makes her feel bad.

And she wanted to rip Hook’s throat out. What does she get for that revelation? The chance to magically remove her evilness and get a free ticket to a happy ending. Well done!

Oh yes poor Regina. It becomes all about Regina.

Claim 13: More stupid translations

Translation of your translation that you couldn’t even think up yourself: “Oh look my opinions are equal to canon”

Truth: His meaning is left up to the audience but that isn’t how any sane person takes that line.

Killian knows about Emma’s walls. He also knows Regina gave her a potion that did goodness knows what. I think it has more to do with her walls than anything else, personally. 

Claim 14: Hook assaulted Emma but Regina didn’t

Excuse me? What the hell show are you watching?

Regina TORTURED Emma! And blamed it on her!

Killian attempted a true loves kiss which is not the same as assault. Charming did the same. Where’s a write up about Snowing being rape culture? And his failed true love’s kiss sure as hell did not put her through as much turmoil as Regina MURDERING her parents (the fake ones)!

Oh and it never worked for the same reason it didn’t work for Charming... you can’t true love kiss someone who doesn’t remember you!

Really I did this only to make a point

Don’t come for my ship unless you’ve evaluated your own first.

[ouatsnark]

CS Hate Lacks Common Sense

“CaptainSwan fans say they can’t forgive August & Neal for sending Emma to jail...

but...

Hook left her in jail TO DIE!”

Lets see if you simpletons can spot the differences.

Neal & Emma were romantically involved. Neal was someone Emma loved and trusted and he betrayed that trust. He chose to listen to August. He didn’t have to. He could’ve gone to jail for his own crimes instead which would’ve separated him from her. But his betrayal was cruel and he allowed her to take the fall for his crimes. Sickening. His betrayal caused emotional damage that added more bricks to the wall she’d already built around her heart. Also, he wasn’t really sorry for it. He only wanted Emma when it was convenient for him (like after his fiance betrayed him & died & when his father had already found him).

August was supposed to be looking after her and he failed. I don’t blame child August for the very grown up task that was placed on him... however, grown up August should’ve known better but was still selfish. His reasoning made little sense as to why Emma had to go to jail... I think it made it easier on him and honestly he’s a jerk for it.

Hook & Emma were enemies. They were not together & they were not friends. Emma had no reason to trust him, though her super powers were telling her she could but she didn’t know if she could trust herself. In fact, she ended up betraying him first.

Now do you get it? Now do you understand the differences here?

Also CS haters get really hung up on that moment. I wonder why? Him “leaving her to die” is debatable... I mean if he really didn’t care if they lived or died then why’d he grab Aurora’s heart? I’ve heard people claim it was to “level the playing field” but there was no urgency nor guarantee that Mulan would rush off and leave her friends to battle a magic user & a pirate alone. He didn’t know she was sweet on Aurora. Side note: you guys think he’s a sexist pig but yet you think he thinks three women can best him? Pick a lane guys. And furthermore, he does have a code. And apparently he draws it at a woman losing her heart for good when she’s done nothing to him. Anyway. I digress.

[ouatsnark]

CaptainSwan is Toxic aka When SQ takes stuff out of context

I’m taking up the torch of debunking more stupid hate directed toward Emma & Killian. Especially since one of them just recently sent me a blog post claiming CaptainSwan is more toxic than Swanqueen. No. No it isn’t.

And since SwanQueen claims the two of them were in love in S1... and since they use Villain Hook and Dark Hook ... I’m including times Regina was still full on villain.

Claim 1

Hook [to Emma, before leaving her in a cage to starve and die] This is a symbol. Something that was once magical, full of hope, possibility... Now look at it. Dried up, dead, useless... much like you. The time for making deals is done, just as I'm done... with you.

Villain Hook. They weren’t together & she’d just betrayed him. No one is claiming that they fell in love, true love, at first sight.

Also you wanna talk about how Regina destroyed Emma’s entire childhood and tried to murder her? NEXT

Claim 2

Hook [to Emma, while entrapping her on the floor] Normally, I prefer to do other more enjoyable activities with a woman on her back. With my life on the line, you've left me no choice. When I jab you with my sword, you’ll feel it.

And more villain Hook before they were together. Yeah he was being a cocky arse trying to throw her off balance. If he’d said this after his redemption and while they were together then I’d listen. But as for right now?

You wanna talk about Regina ordering a man to her bed chambers & actually committing sexual assault on him for 28 years?

Wanna talk about Regina’s line y’all salivate over “Now how to get the savior to taste my forbidden fruit?” - Regina plotting murder. NEXT

Claim 3

Snow [to Hook]  You’re a pirate. You know which way the wind blows, and, right now, it is gusting towards us.

Hook, while licking his lips suggestively  I see where your daughter got her gumption.

OMG a man flirting with a woman. The horror.

Wanna talk about how Regina tried to seduce David which would’ve been rape if she’d succeeded? NEXT

Claim 4

Hook  *violently pushes Emma out of the way so he can stab Rumplestiltskin*

I love the violently part. Adds an extra touch there. LOL. Yeah he shoved her. He’s made it clear no one stands between him and his revenge on Rumple. He was an evil villain. Also... they still weren’t together.

Wanna talk about when Regina punched Emma? OUT OF JEALOUSY!?

Want to talk about the time Regina choked Emma?

How about that time she threw Emma down her walkway? NEXT

Claim 5

Hook [to Emma, as they climb the beanstalk]  You know, most men would take your silence as off-putting, but I love a challenge.

Emma  I'm concentrating.

Hook  No, you're afraid. Afraid to talk, to reveal yourself, to trust me. Things will be a lot smoother if you do.

OH GOSH THE HORROR! He’s speaking to her. I just... wow. WOW.

Wanna talk about how Regina used the dagger while Emma begged her not to as she tried to force Emma to reveal something to her that Emma didn’t want to talk to Regina about? NEXT

Claim 6

David [to Hook]  You're here for Emma. And let me tell you something. You’re never gonna get her. I’ll see to that.

Hook  It’s a good thing you’re gonna to die then.

Yep he was being an ass. But it’s also not abuse. And Hook tried to warn David against revealing what had happened because he knew David wasn’t ready to tell his secret nor did he want to take credit.

Wanna talk about how Regina plotted to murder Emma and her family? NEXT

Claim 7

Emma [to Hook, after saving David's life]  Thank you.

Hook, while tapping his lips suggestively  Um... Perhaps gratitude is in order now.

Emma  That's what the "thank you" was for.

Hook  That's all your father's life is worth to you?

OH THE HORROR MORE FLIRTING! Just admit it that you hate men and move on. Y’all usually claim that this is him forcing her... where’s the forcing? He’s TEASING. Emma decides to give into her desires and she kisses him of her own free will. Stop trying to remove Emma’s agency as if she can’t think for herself.

Want to talk about how Regina demanding thanks after hurting Emma with the dagger? Wanna talk about how Regina demanded they all accept her into the group the moment she decided to stop murdering so she could get a happy ending? She thought that should be enough after her decades of abuse when it wasn’t. NEXT

Claim 8

Hook [to Emma]  When I win your heart, Emma, and I will win it, it will not be because of any trickery. It will be because you want me.

Emma  This isn't a contest, Hook.

Hook  Isn't it? You're gonna have to choose, Emma. You realize that, don't you? Because neither one of us is gonna give up.

Oh gosh it’s a 300 year old pirate declaring his intentions. EVERYONE RUN! He’s very clearly stating that he isn’t going to deceive her. That he has a code. That he wouldn’t let a man die just to have her... because he wants her to want him of her own free will. He is, after all, in this for the long haul. And he meant it.

Wanna talk about the times Regina blackmailed Emma with the dagger into saving Robin’s life when Emma could have fallen into darkness forever? NEXT

Claim 9

Hook [to Emma]  Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm glad to hear that.

Emma  You're glad to hear I had my heart broken?

Hook  If it can be broken, it means it still works.

He’s talking about her walls. He’s happy she hasn’t completely walled her heart off again to where she doesn’t feel a thing. He’s happy she hasn’t completely retreated.

Wanna talk about how Regina made Emma doubt her capabilities and told her “seems like the savior needs saving these days”? NEXT

Claim 10

Hook [to Emma] If I didn’t know any better, I’d say you’re trying to get me drunk, which is usually my tactic.

OMG IT IS A MAN FLIRTING WITH A WOMAN WHOSE FLIRTING WITH HIM! Someone call 911!

Now this one I know is accompanied by haters of Killian Jones claiming he’s boasting to Emma that he’s a serial rapist. Which is absurd. It’s even more absurd to believe that’s the case and that Emma wouldn’t react to it.

Does he sleep with a lot of women? MAYBE. He talks a big game but we’ve only ever seen him care deeply for two women and we’ve seen him pay off a pre-paid hooker when his heart was wrapped around Emma Swan’s finger even though she was in a different realm and he’d likely never see her again.

Regina slept with a lot of men and raped one for 28 years. She’s the only rapist here but hey lets delve deeper into this.

1) We see him matching Emma drink for drink (or so he thinks). He thinks she’s as drunk as he is. We see him drinking with other females. The show portrays him as someone who likes to drink and drink with other people. This is not a crime. He DOES NOT say he remains sober and gets women drunk. In fact...

2) Women and too drunk for sex while I’m sober is not in that line and is not what is being portrayed.

3) An off handed comment like this is not an admission of rape nor does it equal rape.

4) We see Killian walking away from Milah when they first met. We see Killian give Emma a couple of chances to back out. He isn’t forcing anything.

5) He paid off a pre-paid hooker... to be honest ... if the show wanted to portray him as a rapist they did a pretty lousy job.

You can’t use your opinion or your own twisting of words or inserting your own meaning into them as canon proof something happened. It’s only canon if the author has shown it to us. And the only canon rapists on Once Upon a Time are Regina, Zelena, Gothel and likely Rumple and depending on how you view statutory rape... Neal.

Claim 11

Hook [to Emma, while grabbing her and unwantedly pressing her to him]  What do you say we set sail? Come back with me for a nightcap.

Emma  *tries to wiggle free from Hook's grip*

Hook  Or shall I find someone else?

Oh look it’s him giving her an out! And unwantedly? The woman is flirting with him and even has her hand on his leg. Give me a freakin break. Never mind that he backs down. 

Wanna talk about Regina’s unwanted sexual advances on him in the Enchanted Forest? Again, Regina has actually committed assault. She’s punched Emma, even. And tortured her. NEXT

Claim 12

Emma  The Snow Queen came here looking for blondes. There’s a lot more than just me.

Hook  Don’t I know it.

Uh yeah he went looking for her in New York? I... ok.. whatever

Wanna talk about how Regina wouldn’t let Emma leave Storybrooke alive & ended up nearly killing Henry? Or that time said “I should know better than to trust blondes?” NEXT

Claim 13

Hook [to Emma, as she tries to adjust her corset, which reveals some cleavage]  Your discomfort is a cross I’m willing to bear.

Oh dear goodness how do we survive in a world where men flirt with women! This is also not abuse nor toxic. You guys are perfectly fine with two women enjoying how the other looks but oh goodness help us if its a man! Also, context. He knows she needs to be disguised so people won’t remember her which is important as it could change everything. Her discomfort is necessary, unfortunately.

You want to talk about how Regina didn’t give a damn about how Emma was feeling over Henry being kidnapped? She threw it back in her face. NEXT

Claim 14

Hook  *unwantedly kisses Emma without permission*

Emma [to a police officer]  This is the guy. The one who assaulted me.

Hook  It was a kiss.

Emma  There. He confessed.

Are we going to accuse Snowing of toxicity next? ::crickets:: Yeah figured. OK so yes, Killian Jones attempted a True Love’s Kiss and it failed because Emma Swan didn’t remember who he was. And she punched him for it. Honestly, good for her! Good for Snow too. However, intent matters. He wasn’t kissing her to gain something for himself or to intentionally cause her pain. He wasn’t doing it out of violence or maliciousness. He even had reason to hope that she felt as he did because she kissed him passionately, called on him for help and encouraged him to think of her every day. If he were to try this on Belle or Ariel or even Snow who never showed any romantic interest in him then this would be a totally different story. But he was trying to make Emma remember who she was so she could return with him to save her family. The show was intentionally paralleling Snowing here.

You wanna talk about how Regina decided to murder Emma’s wish parents in front of her and cause her emotional pain and distress to the point where she was crying her eyes out and begging for mercy? NEXT

Claim 15

Hook  *unwantedly follows Emma around despite her numerous attempts to let him know she isn't interested*

This one is actually complete BULLSHIT since Emma called on him numerous times for help and even asked him to watch Henry. She was most definitely interested as she met with him in the cafe and everything.

Wanna talk about the time that Emma followed Regina around trying to be her friend and Regina threw it back in her face and made Emma feel like she was a bigger villain than Regina for SAVING A WOMAN’S LIFE? NEXT

Claim 16

Hook [to Emma]  Swan. Don't make a man drink alone.

Emma, while trying to walk away from Hook  Not in the mood for a drink or a man.

Hook  *unwantedly goes after Emma* *uses his hook to turn Emma to face him* *unwantedly kisses Emma without permission again*

Are you guys for real? She’d kissed him three times now and pulled away. He has every right to ask her what is wrong. And stopping her is not abuse. Also, he did not kiss her without permission. She’d just said she was scared of losing him and then she kissed him back and put her arms around him.

You wanna talk about Regina throwing Emma down the driveway? NEXT

Claim 17

Hook [to Emma]  Shall I order us some drinks?

Emma  Not tonight.

Hook, while giving Emma a predatory look  Why, love? You a bit worried you'll find me even more irresistible after a few libations?

Oh. oh no. He’s flirting again. WHAT ARE WE TO DO! Not a crime. Not abuse.

Wanna talk about how Regina tried to ply Emma with alcohol to make her talk about Killian leaving and Emma opening up to the bar tender instead? NEXT.

Claim 18

Emma  *tries to go after Regina*

Hook  *forcefully grabs Emma's arm to stop her*

Oh so pretty much every time he touches her is abuse? BULL SHIT. Also he says “nothing good ever comes from pushing that woman” (meaning Regina).

Wanna talk about that time Regina refused to listen to Emma about Henry and instead accused her of being jealous? NEXT

Claim 19

Emma  *tells everybody to stay away from her due to unstable magic*

Hook  *forcefully grabs Emma's arm anyway*

Oh my goodness heaven forbid he wants her to know he isn’t afraid of her ... Heaven forbid he show concern. Heaven forbid he wants her to know that she she doesn’t have to face this alone....

Where was Regina during this? Banging a dying woman’s husband & ignoring calls about Henry. NEXT

Claim 20

Hook [to Emma]  I liked you the way you were. I liked your walls. I liked being the one to break them down.

Yeah that’s a sad scene. Also it’s not abuse to try and help someone through the pain of the past. It’s actually the opposite.

Wanna talk about how Regina screamed at her “you don’t get to act that way with me after what you’ve done!” As if Regina herself hasn’t done much much much worse but yet here she is acting self righteous with Emma? NEXT

Claim 21

Hook  *threatens to jump off a roof while calling Emma's name to force her to appear and save him*

Yeah not abuse. Not under these circumstances which he was trying to get her to open up to him and tell him the truth. Dark CaptainSwan was not the healthiest but also wasn’t who they were outside of the darkness. If we were talking a show without magic and darkness then we could talk... context matters guys!

Wanna talk about how Regina yelled at Emma for saving her life in that fire? NEXT

Claim 22

Emma [to Hook]  This is who I am now. Why can't you accept that? Why can't anyone accept that?

Hook  Because this isn't you.

Not abuse. They’re both struggling with her being the dark one. He’s struggling even more since his arch enemy was also consumed by that evilness...   the evilness was inside the man that took his heart to control him. And Dark Swan wasn’t Emma, either, not completely. She made a few choices our Emma wouldn’t have (like making Zelena the dark one and killing her).

Wanna talk about how Regina called Emma “stupid” and a “problem” and insisted she was going to destroy light magic? NEXT

Claim 23

Emma [to Hook]  Do you love me? If you tell me you don't love me, I will let you go.

Hook  I loved you.

He actually apologized for this and you have to look at the problem behind it: Emma is consumed by the same darkness that took his first love and set him on a path of misery.

Wanna talk about how Regina claimed Emma ruined her life and never had her back when Emma saved her from a mob? Twice? NEXT

Claim 24- Dark Hook BS

insert all of the quotes said by Dark Hook

Literally he was consumed by darkness that was fueling his rage. Killian Jones did not say this to Emma Swan. Dark Hook said it to Dark Swan. There is a difference between our Killian and the Killian consumed by evil.

Regina was never consumed by evil. Yet she told Emma “I want to hurt you. I want you to see how pointless you are.” NEXT

Claim 25

Hook  *attempts to murder Emma’s son and entire family*

While consumed by ultimate evil and he was able to overcome that evil and instead sacrificed himself.

Regina has attempted the same. In fact, half of her tried again in S6 and Regina let Snowing face her other half... Emma could have lost her parents again and Regina did nothing. NEXT

Claim 26

Hook  *insults Emma's son when he was just trying to help*

People get frustrated and lose their temper. If this had happened more than once I’d agree but it didn’t. No one is claiming anyone is perfect.

Wanna talk about the many many many times Regina has insulted Emma, her parents, friends and her boyfriend? Cause I’ve got the receipts! She downright bullies them and is quite the ableist when it comes to Killian’s handicap. NEXT.

Claim 27

Hook [to Emma]  Are you really that desperate to avoid talking to me?

Emma  I'm not avoiding you. It's just... I need to be alone.

Hook  What the hell is going on with you?

Emma  Nothing.

Hook  You can lie to everyone else, but you can't lie to me.

Emma  It's fine. I already asked you once to go.

Hook  Right. Fine. No need to ask again.

Not abuse. Also, he listens to her request and walks away.. he waits for her to come to him.

Wanna talk about the time Regina said Emma was giving her a head ache? NEXT

Claim 28

Emma [to Hook]  I have an appointment with Archie.

Hook  Ah, you're still gonna see the cricket? I'm impressed.

Emma  Did you think I was gonna back out?

Hook  Well, you know, being vulnerable isn't exactly your strong suit.

What? It’s wrong to be proud of someone whose seeking help? When you know that person has a tendency to bottle it up and try to face it on their own?

Wanna talk about how Regina’s jealous rage caused Emma to be an orphan? NEXT

Claim 29

Hook  *ignores Emma's plea for Archie not to reveal her secret in fron of her family and urges him to reveal it*

HAH this is more on Regina than it is on Killian since it was Regina’s evil half in disguise. The EQ is still Regina. She isn’t consumed by darkness. So.

Never mind that it isn’t a crime to be concerned for someone when something is clearly wrong. Killian asks. So does Henry. Emma grants their request. NEXT

Claim 30

The issues with CaptainSwan lying about her visions, the scissors and Killian not revealing his secret

Yes people lie to each other. Emma was lying to protect them. She says that. She was afraid of losing them. And Killian has every right to be upset that she isn’t confiding in him. A huge difference between his frustration & Regina’s  is that Regina belittles Emma.... Killian does not. He doesn’t call her names, attack her ideas or call her stupid.

Not abuse and not toxic either. More like human.

About David’s father... If he was lying to hurt her then I’d understand but he wasn’t. He had fully intended to tell her about David’s father but couldn’t when he saw how happy she was. That secret literally ate him alive and he made the wrong choice. But we see the guilt, the remorse, the anger at himself... He owned that. Which is so very important.

He also did not abandon Emma without telling her... yes, he’d almost done so because he was so blinded by guilt that he thought it was what he needed to do... he’d seen how wrong he was and was on his way back to her to make everything right when he was pushed through a portal. Big difference there.

Lets talk about how Regina never owned murdering Graham even though Emma counts him as love lost? NEXT

Claim 31

Emma, when we met, there was just one thing that mattered to me... getting my revenge. You showed me that a heart full of love was the most precious treasure of all, and one that I don't intend to lose.

Hook, 15 minutes earlier  *attacks Rumplestiltskin while his back is turned to him* *vows to take revenge on Rumplestiltskin*—

Oh noes. Oh noes. Oh how dare he try to stop a man that’s trying to kill them all.. again! How dare he take up for Emma against an evil villain! You all act like Rumple is an innocent man... he was betraying them. He was threatening Emma. 

Wanna talk about how when Rumple threatened Emma & Robin, Regina ripped out an innocent woman’s heart and used her for blackmail? NEXT

CONCLUSION:

I think there’s this misconception that people need to be perfect and if they aren’t they’re toxic. When it comes to CaptainSwan the human aspect is removed and instead the focus is on a single moment instead of the whole picture.

The truth is CaptainSwan hit a literal dark patch in their relationship when they were both consumed by darkness. But that isn’t who they were. They both made mistakes but they’ve both apologized for it. Which is important. Even more importantly, Killian Jones and Emma Swan worked through their differences and in the end stood strong about their belief in each other. They were there to support one another. Killian always put her first. Emma was always ready to see the best in him. They did make each other better.

The truth is that Regina was never a good person even after she stopped killing people. In fact, she stopped killing for purely selfish gain and not to make things right. She joined Team Hero so that she could have her happy ending. She never once mentions the pain she caused her victims, even to Snowing when they lose their daughter a second time. It’s always all about her and her pain and her happiness. Regina’s sarcasm, insults and rudeness reflects how she sees herself as far superior to Emma and the others. She was a constant bully throughout all 6 seasons and not for just a few episodes like Dark Hook or when he was a villain. That’s the difference. She blamed everyone else for her bad choices. She stole Emma’s agency, used the dagger on her and tortured her. Then demanded thanks. Regina actually destroyed Emma’s childhood and has said she doesn’t regret it. Regina murdered a man Emma cared for and never told her.

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[ouatsnark]

Swanqueen promotes rape culture

It’s funny that every claim SQ makes against CS is out of context, blown out of proportion or just not true. However, each of their claims can be said about their crack ship.

First of all, perpetuating this lie about CaptainSwan = Domestic Violence is sickening. It devalues real abuse stories and makes light of real trauma. Also you know they’re full of crap when they never speak out about Rumbelle which is textbook abuse. Regina & Emma’s friendship, however, is extremely toxic and one sided.

Claim #1 - Insults & Forcing Issues

2nd Picture: So? You’ve never insulted anyone when under highly stressful situations? I mean seriously. The man isn’t a saint but that isn’t abuse either. It happened ONCE under strenuous circumstances. How about look at the rest of their relationship? Hm?

3rd Picture: Nice of you not to blame Regina for that since her evil half was actually revealing Emma’s secret. But either way this isn’t abuse and it doesn’t fall under anything listed under the examples. Killian was genuinely worried about her and with good cause. Her hands were shaking and her powers were not working properly. There was nothing selfish about him wanting to know what was going on with her. This scene was all about Emma’s welfare. 4th Picture: Awesome line isn’t it? Him declaring his intentions, letting her know he wont abandon her like everyone else and letting her know he plays fair. Love it. Also isn’t represented in any of those points.

But lets put Regina’s “friendship” with Emma under these, hm?

Counter Claim #1 - Regina causes real emotional distress

SQ claimed Killian begging Emma to tell them what was going on was abuse but that simply isn’t true. He did not hurt Emma in anyway. However. Regina on the other hand...

---Forcing Emma to answer her ---

which is causing her emotional & physical distress!

This is actual abuse. Regina was physically & emotionally hurting Emma so that Regina could “fix things” and be the savior like she so desperately wanted when she stole Emma’s agency. Funny, Killian was able to coax the truth out of Emma WITHOUT hurting her.

---Regina Insulting people Emma loves---

Killian should not have insulted or raised his voice to Henry. But how do you excuse Regina’s constant insults of Killian, the Charmings and even Emma’s real friends?

There’s actually so many instances of Regina not only insulting Emma but insulting her parents or Killian. She does it under stress but she also does it for fun. And she truly means it each and every time.

For more ways Regina verbally abuses Emma, read The Best Friend Award thread!

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Claim #2: More Insults & Threatening physical violence against... a loved one?

1st Picture: Context. First off, Killian was still a villain here and secondly she’d just broken the code he lives by. She didn’t trust that her powers were right about him & she abandoned him. They weren’t romantically involved at this point either. Also more Dark One Hook. Did anyone watch the Dark One arc? He was completely consumed with darkness & had Nimue whispering in his ear. He felt guilty for being weak & giving into the darkness & apologized & paid for that despite him not wanting the darkness to begin with!

2nd Picture: Really? LOL. I can come up with so many instances of Emma being upset and dragged down by Regina and looking that way. It’s amazing. These images will come in the counter claim.

3rd Picture: And? He was upset. You do realize that his past experiences with Dark Ones is a painful one? He’s scared to death he’s going to lose his Emma, his light, to this darkness. And she was the DO and she wasn’t being truthful with him. He also apologizes for this. He was too harsh and he regretted it. Relationships have their bumps - no relationship is perfect and people are not always perfect and people will hurt each other. Intentions and what comes afterwards matters. And NO ONE has ever been more supportive of Emma than Killian Jones.

4th Picture: And....? what? Emma doesn’t love Zelena, she is not friends with Zelena and Zelena is not related to her. Nice reach!

Counter Claim #2 - Regina threatens Emma & her family, physically & emotionally hurts her

Oh that’s right, who has hurt Emma more? That would be Regina. Regina orphaned Emma, tried to murder her, tried to turn her son against her and has been the most verbally abusive person. But please, continue to try and say a man cursed with darkness is worse than a woman that chooses to be a self-centered bitch.

---Actual physical harm? CHECK---

Regina & Emma have come to physical blows. Regina even used magic to toss her down her driveway.

Regina literally didn’t care that she was hurting Emma with the dagger. Her answer to hurting Emma was “whatever”.

This moment was also framed as something good Regina did since Emma thanks her for it... proof the show romanticizes Regina’s actions.

Regina literally tortured Emma, murdered her parents in front of her then BLAMED IT ON HER VICTIM!

Emma ends up thanking Regina for her abuse & once again signaling that anything Regina does is good. Furthermore, she murders Wish Snowing and gains Wish Henry’s love all by declaring this a “mistake”. The woman is literally awarded for being a murderer.

---Threatening him/her or family? CHECK!---

She was threatening Emma’s parents.

Oh yeah, that’s right. If Dark One Hook can be used as evidence (despite him literally being consumed by pure evil whereas Regina is just an ass) then this can be too. Why? Because the sEQ was still Regina. This is Regina. This is how Regina really feels.

I could also go all the way back to S1-2:

Get rid of means kill by the way.

She manipulated Sydney into attempting to kill Emma.

When that didn’t work, she baked a poisonous apple tart for Emma to eat!

Then there’s that time she tried to destroy the entire town & everyone in it so she could have Henry to herself.

Whether SQ likes it or not, Killian is Emma’s true love. And Emma truly does love him.

REGINA ACTUALLY MURDERED SOMEONE EMMA CARED FOR! And never told her about it!

---Regina makes Emma miserable? CHECK---

Literally in pain being in her presence! Emma never smiles at Regina the way she lights up when she’s with Killian. Why? Cause Regina is toxic.

All of these are scenes with Regina.

---Regina insulting or Manipulating Emma? CHECK & Double CHECK!---

Emotional blackmail to get Emma to do something that could cause irreparable damage... like make her lose control and give into darkness.

Regina literally gaslit Emma over SAVING A WOMAN’S LIFE! Guilt tripped her so bad into doubting herself then running to Regina for forgiveness & friendship despite the fact that it was REGINA who murdered the woman in the first place!

Regina’s abuse in these episodes is glorified the moment the show had Emma begging to be friends with her abuser. Regina’s actions were thereby justified and Emma’s vilified - despite Emma being the hero & Regina being the villain.

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Claim #3 - Assault or if you’re into the truth: he attempted a TLK

I don’t hear any complaint about when Charming did the same thing with Snow? Imagine that? I wonder why? Or when Rumple made the author re-write his story and make Belle his wife again when she was with someone else? Can we play spot the differences here?

Killian attempted a true love’s kiss so that EMMA WOULD REMEMBER AGAIN. He had reason to believe it would work too. They’ve shared a kiss. She’s included him in her life. She even said "good” when said he would always think of her. He felt the connection between them. He did not attempt this for his own selfish desires but to hopefully break the spell on Emma so that she could return to her parents & save Storybrook.

I don’t have a counter claim to this for obvious reasons... Regina & Emma never made physical contact except to hit each other & that one awkward as hell hug....but here’s some bonus footage!

Oh that’s right, Regina is the actual canon rapist here. Not Killian.

More about this below and how this in fact romanticizing male rape.

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Claim #4 - More insults? Not sure. Sexual innuendo.

Picture 1: What? Is this supposed to be Killian endangering Henry? Cause Regina & Robin also did that. Or forcing Henry to do something that might SAVE EMMA? Give me a break!

Picture 2: Yay more Dark Hook. Please. I can find way more from Regina & Regina wasn’t cursed.

Picture 3: Sexual innuendo isn’t assault & he’s still a villain here anyway. MOVE ALONG.

Picture 4: This is priceless. SHE IS LOOKING AT HER PARENTS AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT REGINA DID TO HER!

Counter Claim #4 - more violence and wanting to hurt Emma and those around her

Two can play this game.

---Sexual innuendo leading to violence? CHECK---

Now I don’t believe Regina meant anything sexual by this but this scene is literally SQs favorite line which they turn into something sexual... reality? That apple is poisoned and Regina plans to murder Emma with it.

Please sit down and shut up now, SQ. Your argument is done.

“but the show didn’t frame it in a positive light - it said this was evil!”

Really? Cause if they did then Regina would have paid for crimes. Nope, she was absolved off all of this and more below.

---Wanting to hurt Emma? CHECK---

We’ve already covered some of this but here’s some more:

You guys realize that when she says this she is admitting she’d gladly rip Emma from her parents again and force her to grow up alone on the streets as a child? That she wouldn’t even change the fact that Emma suffered a traumatizing pregnancy in jail for a crime she didn’t commit that ended up in her having to give that child up? Oh how romantic.

Furthermore, this thinking is framed in a positive way by the show because later on Snow THANKS Regina for saving them. And if you think about it, the only way Regina was able to save them is because she is a sociopath that doesn’t regret her crimes. Again, romanticizing Regina’s crimes.

Regina was also the first to give up on Emma and called her a problem. Regina was ready to do away with her as an enemy.

And a random picture of Emma trying to get Regina to be friends with her and looking miserable!

---Endangering someone Emma loves? CHECK!---

Regina falsely accuses Emma of being jealous and ignores the danger their son is in.

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Claim #5 Killian is abusive to females

Actually, he’s just a villain. HE IS VIOLENT WITH EVERYONE! This is not an excuse it’s just calling a spade a spade.

Picture 1: Double standard really. Regina gets away with murdering women, children (including young girls) and raping a man without so much as repenting for the lives she destroyed (and she clearly doesn’t, she expresses regret for her dark past standing in the way of her happy ending meaning she doesn’t care about her victims). Killian on the other hand has expressed remorse, sacrificed his life & made it up to his victims.

Picture 2: Killian hasn’t abused a female because they were a female. He even says he went after Belle because that is where Rumple kept his heart. Was what he did wrong? Yes. But that in no way means he goes around abusing women for the sake of abusing women. He didn’t abuse Milah.

Picture 3: Killian did not hurt Regina. However, Regina did throw him off a cliff. He did not partake in her torture he simply didn’t help her. Both were villains... she’s an evil child abusing mass murdering rapist. So I ask you... so what?

Counter Claim #5 - Regina abused women. Where’s the outrage?

A picture is worth a thousand words

Regina also abused men. But hey, villains... they’re evil. They do evil things.

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The Regina Exemption Clause

“It’s OK for Regina to have committed these atrocities and still be with Emma because the Evil Queen is never celebrated or romanticized in any way.”

Regina? Not celebrated? What do you call this?

I call it getting a trophy for doing absolutely nothing. She abused men, women and children. She murdered innocent people because she was angry at a 10 year old. She raped a man for 28 years. And she paid for none of it. Not a single apology. Not a single show of remorse for her victims - only for her own lost happy ending. Not a single regret as she would have done it all over again to get Henry despite destroying other innocent lives INCLUDING Emma’s.

Regina? Not romanticized? What do you call this?

Regina’s crimes were romanticized ... she was a provocative woman who flirted while delighting in murdering and abusing innocent people. Especially men.  How is that not romanticizing?

How is what she did to Graham not romanticizing?

She was shown in sexual situations with a man she was sexually abusing - as she forced him to be her sex slave against his will - and then she murdered him for rejecting her! Does she pay for this? No. It’s quietly buried.

Evil Regals have also been known to say that Graham should’ve been grateful to be abused by such a sexy woman like Regina.

How is Killian Jones trying to kill one person so that he can avenge his love’s death worse than Regina murdering & abusing thousands to exact her revenge on a child? It’s not. If Regina can be forgive for all of this & you can advocate for her being with the woman she verbally, physically & emotionally abuses for 6 seasons... then Killian Jones can be forgiven ten fold since we actually see him show remorse, regret and pay a price for his dark past. He actually faces his victims. Regina faced nothing.

Also, as said above, ERs take the “forbidden fruit” scene as something sexual... obviously Regina is romanticized? If her attempting to murder Emma can be seen as something hot?

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In Conclusion

No relationship is perfect. No person is perfect. If you look for toxicity you will find it. What matters is the person’s intentions as well as their actions. Killian Jones has proven how much he admired and respects Emma. He was the only one to believe in her when she took on the darkness. There is also a clear change in his attitude and demeanor when he’s consumed by the darkness. Most importantly, he’s shown regret and remorse for the actions he committed during that time.

Everything SQ falsely accuses Kilian of being... Regina is actually just that. She’s physically, emotionally and verbally abusive. So who is better for Emma? Killian is a supportive husband while Regina was a nasty selfish “friend”.

All I can say to Evil Regals who perpetuate this tired argument:

You’re a bunch of disgusting hypocrites that use real life traumas like domestic abuse & rape as a battle ax to destroy a ship simply because you believe it is in the way of your crack ship! Newsflash: Neither character was gay and there was no way the hero of this story was going to be with the evil step-grammy who destroyed her life

[ouatsnark]

Was Wish Hook a nod to those against CaptainSwan?

If you've been in this fandom, especially on twitter, then you've heard the FALSE accusations against Killian Jones:

He's a drunkard!

He's a child abuser!

He stalked Emma!

He's sexist because he wanted to rescue Emma!

He's a pirate so therefore he must be a rapist & he also admitted he was to Emma

He's too old for Emma!

All of these are of course complete nonsense which I've debunked a hundred times on this blog.

While Wish Hook actually was:

A drunkard? Check. We first see him as a drunken fool

A child abuser? Check. Abandoned his child & left her to go crazy alone in a tower with only stuffed animals for company. What a dad!

A stalker? Check. "I wondered the realms trying to find her again/wasted many years trying to steal another man's love"

A sexist? Well, he kept insisting on saving Emma when she said she didn't need saving & wouldn't take "no" for an answer! So yes. Check

A rapist? He plotted to kill Killian & take Emma & that would be rape. Even if you want to claim he wanted just a kiss (which is false, please open your eyes) that is still sexual assault. I'm counting it.

Old? Check. He was created that way.

And no, I do not believe that Wish Hook & Killian Jones are the same:

Wish Hook was created as an old fat drunken fool by a child abusing mass murdering rapist, Regina (serum Evil Queen is Regina), who hates the original Killian Jones & looks down on him despite being 20x more evil. She also did not become a better person than he so that is still no excuse for her to hate him. She's unable, by her own admission, to "like doing good" and had to split herself in two in order to fully change. Killian didn't have to do that. But I digress.

That being said, its logical here that Wish Hook was created to reflect Regina's hate for him. Especially since Wish Robin was very different from the original Robin and more in line with Regina's more evil half.

Even Wish Henry shouldn't have existed since Emma and Neal wouldn't have met if it were not for the curse. It's also bizarre that Wish Henry ends up being able to call the murderer of his grandparents "mother". So something had to be programmed in there.

Even Henry says that the "Captain Hook he knows wouldn't have made him look like a fool". So clearly not the same guy!

So I ask you... is it a coincidence that Wish Hook is all the things anti-CaptainSwan fans have falsely claimed Killian was?

I always found it bizarre that some CaptainSwan fans liked this literal offensive walking fat joke. Because that is what the show created him as. Emma even makes a few jokes about cutting back on rum and dessert!

So maybe it's because I've been jumped by one too many anti-CaptainSwan losers with their false Killian Jones accusations.

Or maybe it isn't a coincidence that Wish Hook is everything Killian Jones has been falsely accused of?

[ouatsnark]

CS - Hate Debunked - Keep Reaching!

Because I just like debunking stupid things I see while scrolling through Once posts. Here's some more I've run across.

“Emma denied she was with Hook but never denied loving Neal”

Yeah she did deny she was in love with Neal. When she was on the beanstalk with Killian she denied ever being in love. You can say “well, she wasn’t about to open up to a stranger” and you’d be correct but you can’t say she “never denied it”. Cause she did. She tried to forget about Neal and the pain he obviously caused her. She was denying to herself that she ever loved him.

She also denied it to Neal’s face when she gave him his necklace back. Saying she wore it to remind herself never to trust again.

She also stood Neal up. She may not have been afraid to admit she loved Neal but she was afraid of letting him in again and was even hoping he was dead. If Emma’s love for Neal had never died then she’d have never wanted that nor ever needed that closure so he could never hurt her again. Did Emma love Neal? Yeah. He was the first man she fell in love with and is the father of her child. But that doesn’t mean he was anything more than a former lover or that she was still in love with him. That was pretty obvious when she stood him up and it was Killian’s attention she encouraged at the town line, not Neal’s.

I find it amusing that these Swanfire fans have to use Emma’s confusion about where she stands with Hook after a pretty hot make-out session as proof she “denied being with him”. She didn’t know what they were in 4x01 because she’d only just let her walls down and then she became worried about Regina going all evil queen if she saw them together. Her walls had gone back up by that point because as she says she was “afraid of losing him too”. Which brings me to the following claim:

“Emma loved Neal & wasn’t afraid to say it but could only tell Hook she loved him when they were in danger”

It’s like they missed the part where Neal was the reason Emma built her walls and the reason she couldn’t open herself up was due to Neal’s abandonment and betrayal. Neal caused that. Regina too. She was just opening herself up to Graham when Regina murdered him. To Emma, every time she opened her heart to someone she lost them. Not just romantically either. It happened to her in the foster care system. Emma was afraid to love and lose that love. It took her a while to overcome that.

She couldn’t admit out loud that she loved Killian because she was afraid of losing him. And that is very significant difference. However, once she was over that she did openly admit to everyone that she loved Killian. Killian was the one she couldn’t stand to lose and literally went to hell and back for.

And before anyone says “but she tells ghostNeal she’d have done the same for him!” Honestly? I don’t believe it. She wanted his help because she immediately goes from that to “please tell me how to save him” and then in true Neal fashion ghostNeal denies her her happiness. Also, Emma may have cried over Neal but it was Killian Jones she couldn’t live without. Emma hoped Neal was dead. Emma fought for Killian. Emma cried once over Neal but she didn’t mourn him. But Emma mourned Killian.

“Hook didn't believe Emma until he saw the ink from the pages on Liam's hand. Neal would have believed Emma the instant she said it without any proof.”

I spit my wine out when I read that.

Neal accused Emma of being jealous of his fiancé and mocked her super powers. He also questioned her abilities when she suggested that she pick up the watches. So please, the idea that Neal would “believe her without proof” is absurd.

From my point of view - and this is my opinion - How often did Killian Jones follow Emma’s lead? Many times. He followed her lead up the beanstalk, in Neverland, during the Ice Witch Hunt, during the hunt for Zelena and trusted her plans to get them all home when in the Underworld. I don’t look at this as Killian not believing Emma but Killian not believing in himself & the fact that he regarded his brother as a hero. Anyone would have a hard time believing the worse in their hero. It takes more than someone elses opinion to knock our heroes off the pedestals we put them on no matter who that someone is. He thought he knew his brother and Emma had just met the guy. Also, Killian was dealing with a lot of guilt and remorse at the time.

Killian also apologized to Emma. Neal didn’t until he decided he wanted her back after his fiancé was dead and it was convenient for him.

“Hook said “one of these days I’m going to stop following this woman” before following her into the time portal. Regina wouldn’t have hesitated”

I LOLed at this one. First off, Hook wasn’t hesitating. He was making a sarcastic remark before letting go and following Emma to uncertain ends. And secondly, Regina stood by when Emma disappeared into the hat. Snow jumped in without hesitation. Regina wouldn’t even, initially, face her sister so that they could get to Emma after Emma took on the darkness. Killian did though. He met the issue head on. Regina would hardly ever follow Emma’s lead. In fact, I can’t think of one time Regina did … Regina always thought her plans and ideas were better than Emma’s.

And before anyone says “But what about the Wish Realm! It was Regina that went not Killian!” Well, yeah, Killian couldn’t. He wasn’t in control of the genie. Regina was. She says as much to the EQ before she makes the wish. Which by the way … why didn’t Regina just wish Emma back? Was there a reason she didn’t? Other than to make the two most ridiculous Regina Fan Service Episodes to ever exist?

“Emma kissed Hook while Henry’s life was in danger and that makes her a bad mother”

Soooo what does it make Regina when she was banging a dying woman’s husband and ignoring calls from the people looking after the son she illegally adopted and abused for 10+ years? I’ll wait.

I don’t think Emma kissing Hook in that moment made her a bad mother or a bad person. Snowing kissed a lot during that time… are they bad grandparents? Funny how I’ve never heard anyone make that insinuation!

Emma wasn’t ignoring the gravity of the situation they faced. It was a single moment. Now if she’d decided to make out with him instead of following a lead they’d just gotten then I’d listen to you… but as Killian says “you have to enjoy the quiet moments” and that was a quiet moment. And she wasn’t getting any urgent calls either… soooo… shut up and enjoy the chemistry.

It’s fine not to like CaptainSwan but can we at least stop trying to rewrite the show? Thanks.

Anything you’d like me to debunk? Send me a message or let me know in the comments!