#c!dream apologists

[zacharie-eram]

Random reminder: in the dsmp C!dream WON his plan even if not how he planned was SUCCESFUL and im happy, fuck the other characters, i love my babygirl

[skdsmpart]

Sketch Dump #1

Oh man 😔 I have re-entered the dsmp obsession so here are all the drawings I've made so far! I've taken a lot of creative liberties at this point and some of these are based on fics ive been rereading LMAO

[saltwatersweets]

its a tough world for us c!discduo apologists out here

[winniezp00h]

Its giving c!Bedrock Bros 😞

[bleue-flora]

[context] @tanzenlicht

And see now I feel like someone needs to make the ultimate Dream apologist video where it’s like a mix of him building his ‘Evil Lair’ and saying “woof” and being all sad in prison in between very serious lore moments like Doomsday and Disc Confrontation. You know what I mean? Like mix it up so it’s the wholesome clip of him building Tubbo’s house then his “I wanna see white flags!”. Like it’d be so funny and I feel like there’s no way you take him seriously after that ya know. It could be the best conversion video ever because Dream’s just picking a rose one minute then next oh it’s him in the cell getting attacked by Tommy and Tubbo with his plants in the background. Or him making Tommy drop his items in a hole then the scene of Dream doing the same and getting killed followed by the clip of Quackity throwing all the torture axes on the ground. One minute it could be Sapnap and Dream building the community house then the next it’s Sapnap trying to kill him or threatening to in prison….. Oh it could be sooo good like the coolest and also more unhinged complication…

**update: because I keep seeing reblogs of y'all wanting someone to make this - I wanted to let you know, after some thought and tests I figured out how to do it and have actually taken up the task 🫡 so feel free to check the tag #ultimate c!dream apologist video for some sneak peaks and stuff :)**

[tomzjuicebox]

Getting there.

THE NEW LORE STREAM BROKE ME I WILL BE VERY INTO DSMP FOR A LONG LONG TIME

[barzfrommarz]

guys wtf are the rules around being a apologist for a dsmp character? Genuinely asking here because when I say i’m a c!wilbur apologist I mean that I adore him and will defend him and he’s done fucked up things but I understand his motives and I truly believe he is a morally grey, mentally ill, chronically misunderstood character who deserves to heal and not be constantly reminded of his mistakes. Is that what being an apologist is? or is it just truly forgiving/excusing everything they’ve done no matter how bad it was? I’m assuming it’s the latter but I don’t know 😶

[pigeonstab]

been a while since I did anything D!smp related

Here's c!Ranboo and a playlist I made in 2021:

and with just the lineart

[ameiniateria]

consistently I'm a little annoyed about the rift between c!Tommy and c!Dream fans in this fandom. like I like your guy too! I think he's great! actually, I think our guys have a lot in common! I'd love to see your take on this really messy, complicated relationship!

oh wait you think c!Dream is a pure evil, completely heartless villain that exists to do nothing but torment c!Tommy, who is of course a sweet innocent uwu baby who did absolutely nothing wrong, and therefore deserves to be murdered twice, imprisoned, isolated, starved, and tortured with no control over his own autonomy (but prison was actually way better than exile, which was the worst thing that ever happened to anyone on the dsmp. obviously. because c!Tommy tried to kill himself. yeah. don't think about c!Dream walking into a wall of lava and burning himself to death multiple times because he was so incredibly desperate for human connection. that was to escape, right? c!Dream couldn't possibly feel real emotions -- that would mean he's a person that -- oh no -- deserves compassion despite the terrible things he did. oh no -- that would make him -- gasp -- a lot like c!Tommy!) and actually he deserved more than that. he was never actually punished. c!Dream always won (citation needed).

also, c!Tommy was a child. do I have to say that again. well, I will anyway. c!Tommy was a child. c!Tommy was a child. c!Tommy was a child.

great.

[mioakem]

oh so we’re misunderstanding the story more than usual today, huh?

[bugr0t]

/DSMP /RP

EVERYOJE SHUT UP when c!schlatt died of a drunken heart attack, he was drunk. and when c!quackity went to talk with his ghost, said ghost was ALSO drunk. his memories of being alive seemed a bit blurry (as if he was hungover). c!wilbur was happy when he died having gone insane and all and ghostbur had only happy memories, and was almost always cheerful.

c!tommy was SCARED when he died. he was trapped with his tormentor for weeks, and thought nobody cared. he never had a ghost, and he came back a, quote, "shell of himself".

so PERCHANCE. what imTHINKING is that the ghosts are mirrors of what people felt when they died and tommy being a shell of himself and not feeling whole is a parallel of him never having a ghost while dead

[tobysbliss]

c!tommy was canonically 11 years old when when he was exiled.

his exile was canonically 5 years.

everything that happened to him during exile caused su1cidal ideations & even an attempt.

he was a child.

and people still say ctommy deserved what happened to him, because he was annoying?

he was a child. he did not deserve that, especially not over simply being annoying

[misty-doodles]

In an attempt to get an authentic conversation/argument, I record myself talking occasionally.

So yeah there's an audio file of Techno absolutely skinning Tommy alive for all of his betrayals because I am a techno apologist and God. It's so fucking raw. Eventually I might write it out into a full fic but allow me to share some great lines.

"Didn't think… See Tommy, that's the crux of all this, ain't it? It's that you didn't think about me, even once, in that,"

"Every single time you've come to me, It has been with the single goal of your own survival, your own needs,"

"And when you get what you want, suddenly I'm not useful anymore,"

"You deluding yourself into thinking I would change my entire philosophy for you is not my fault,"

"To you, for the duration of this server, all I have been is the blade. I have never been Techno to you,"

[lmanburgseulogy]

Sometimes i think about cdream knowing lmanburg would never be dangerous. Knowing they would never get to his level of power, or have as much land, but they still dared to disobey the imaginary rules. It was his excuse to fight. He toyed around with them like it was fun to watch them give their all, while he sat back and basically just played along with it. The L’manburg war seemed so staged. While the 5th battalion yelled and cheered and cried the SMP “retreated” when they had a huge advantage against them. The SMP could’ve won easily. But it wasn’t to win his territory back, it was to prove a point. That when you mess around you get fucked up in the worst way possible. Eret was his tool to do that. It was a game to Dream, but it was L’manburg’s everything!!!!! grrrrr

[cdroloisms]

a little ramble about dreblr, meta, and the ever evolving nature of this fandom, i guess?

i don't mean to soapbox, this is mostly just going to be vomiting some thoughts into a post. some recent stuff and a post or two have had me thinking about this fandom and how different it is from when dsmp was ongoing. it's,, pretty obvious that the fandom is quite a bit smaller and less active than that time, and there are generally a lot fewer people actively posting meta and such every day--which isn't necessarily a bad thing, and is natural obviously considering that the dsmp ended almost 2 years ago, but does mean that the culture around (?) meta and such has shifted, as well. it's one of those things too i think that is felt so much more obviously in dreblr, which is an even smaller group within this fandom that formed in response to uhhh being very much considered unwelcome by the greater fandom at the time.

that being said, as is the nature of all fandom, dreblr is still a community of people who are largely strangers who have gathered together because of one commonality: very strong feelings and often very strong opinions on the dream smp and c!dream. and i think when the fandom was more active, the entire fandom felt a lot more like a "pvp enabled" zone, lmao -- it was every other day when there'd be some new batshit meta about c!dream or some stream to react to and analyze and fight people about and whatever. since then, though, with the dsmp gone, the fandom has become quieter -- which i think has allowed some of the variation in opinions within dreblr become more and more obvious? and also become a sort of source of friction.

again, this is normal for any fandom. i'm certainly not here to agree with everyone about c!dream always, lmao. but the vagueing of takes is always more awkward on both sides when it's someone where you share more of the same circles. at the end of the day, it's up to each individual blogger's discretion to choose what they will or won't post on their own blog, but at the same time ... when it comes to the community, just speaking for myself, i don't want a super high barrier of entry when it comes to people feeling like they can't join this fandom unless they've got [xyz] experience or [xyz] takes.

when it comes to actual analysis of the source material, though, keeping meta a safe place for people to say "no, i don't agree with this take because of [xyz]" is important as well, which always raises the question of how said disagreements should be handled. and again, i'm no authority, i'm not here to tell people what to do. personally, when it comes to my own blog, i don't like to post very much directly about any one blogger, but I know I've definitely written posts inspired by specific takes before as well as screenshots of takes from the fandom's heyday, etc. i don't necessarily feel uncomfortable with this ...? but at the same time, i know that vagueposts can be a source of discomfort, especially if they're about your take in particular (speaking from experience) -- so it's you know. not the easiest line to draw, I guess, especially when we're talking about a community where different people are going to have different levels of comfort with what they post on their own blogs and what other blogs do in response to their takes. and whatever.

vagueposting, i think, has been common in the tumblr dsmp fandom for a long time, and especially in dreblr -- direct engagement in the past errr usually went badly, so a habit formed of keeping everything we did kind of within our own spaces (hence why many of us don't even tag c!dream or even dreblr on most of our posts; keeping everything untagged, or keeping the tagging system restricted to our own blogs, limited the possibility of trouble). that being said, vagueing within dreblr has become more common, i think, as disagreements within dreblr have become more and more obvious in the time since the dsmp ended. (just for the obvious example: i think it's a bit of an open secret that i, personally, strongly disagree with much of the common depictions of c!drunz in this fandom. i've written some meta about this before, as well as some responses to meta--which i enjoyed greatly, believe me--but i've also noticed (perhaps coincidence) an uptick in c!drunz positive meta every time i or someone else makes a post that maybe skews more negative. which is normal, don't get me wrong, but also a pattern i've noticed. i'm also very aware that someone the arguments i may bring up as counterarguments or structure my posts around arguing against are based on actual arguments i've seen while in this space, which i'm aware is an easy source of friction within dreblr.) and it's easy to say "don't take it personally when it's just metaanalysis," but that's easier said than done, lmao, especially depending on the tone of the vaguepost and a myriad of other factors.

i'm not saying that i have the answers. or, for that matter, a single answer. the boundaries i set aren't going to be the same as the boundaries other people set, for one, and i have no desire to police what other people do on their own blogs. i do miss, sometimes, the more collaborative and discussion-based meta experience of this fandom when it was more active--i might try to more actively reblog posts (including those i don't necessarily agree with) to discuss this server and these characters, bc at the end of the day that is kind of why we're here. personally, i've always drawn a pretty sharp distinction between fanwork and analysis -- i think it's pretty bad form to criticize people's AUs In General (not that i've not. been guilty of it in the past, but i try at least to keep it to criticizing more general patterns within fanwork; look, i'm not going to claim a moral high ground, i love bitching way too much and should probably get a handle on that but asj;lkfdsaf) but when we're talking meta about the source material, barring shit like. you know, harassment and otherwise abusive behavior, i do consider it more of a free-for-all. at the same time, i know that these standards can lead to newer fans feeling like they're going to be booed out the door for sharing their thoughts, which, i mean, isn't great 😭😭😭 fresh eyes can bring a lot of really cool new insights, and it'd suck pretty damn bad to miss that because they don't feel welcome, yknow?

anyway, this is a very inconclusive post, but i thought i'd just throw some of my thoughts out as someone who has been here for a decently long time. and if you want to discuss w/ me, inbox and dms are always open :)

[bleue-flora]

alright here it is, the ultimate c!dream apologist video... at least part 1 anyways... @tanzenlicht I hope I did you proud <3

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