#but yes this is about that snw trailer

[aceofwands]

idk man I just think of all the franchises you could try to make the Next Big Thing by creating a bunch of new shows and movies, maybe don't pick the one with the notoriously nitpicky obsessed with canon fandom ?? if you don't plan on applying any sort of consistency to the world, characters, alien cultures, entire ethical and moral framework of the universe, etc etc ????

[figachilles]

they have GOT to stop trying to make SNW characters straight. like. look at them

[onwhatcaptain]

Predictions for Star Trek Strange New Worlds S2 E3 "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

Ahead are my predictions for the upcoming Star Trek SNW episode "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow." Possible spoilers below the line since I am making specific guesses derived from the stills and that one revolving door trailer which was initially bothering me.

I assume that La’an will be meeting Captain Kirk rather than Lieutenant Kirk in this episode. This is an easy guess, because Kirk is visibly wearing a captain’s uniform in the stills. But I also theorize that she will be on some Alternate Universe version of Kirk’s Enterprise that may not actually involve the Federation or Starfleet as we know it. This being a known time travel episode doesn’t preclude it from being an alternate universe episode as well. We see Kirk wearing a non-Starfleet delta (looks more like a pentagon). And that one revolving door trailer was initially bothering me because he says “I’m from space,” as a reason why he doesn’t know how to use a revolving door, which annoyed me. But now I think he said that because he’s from space.

Obviously, our Captain Kirk isn't from space. There's a whole famous line about it in one of the films. The writers know that. Everyone knows that. The audience knows that. So it stands to reason that they were baiting us by putting that in the trailer. Maybe this Kirk is from space. And why not? AOS Kirk is from space, technically. The only real reason he would say he’s from space is because he is. It’s possible he was born there. Maybe Starfleet or the Federation doesn’t exist in his world (or isn’t the one we know and recognize). Maybe Earth was destroyed. Maybe humans have a more militaristic relationship with other species. Maybe humanity went to the stars too early for real progress, or didn’t go into it with the intentions of explorers, but for war.

So maybe Iowa doesn't really exist either—presumably La’an and Kirk return/are forced to go back to 21st century Toronto to prevent this future from being triggered by some event. So maybe revolving doors don't exist where Kirk is from in this timeline. Why would he have seen one if he was born in space? If he'd never lived on Earth at all? If Earth wasn’t even around at all in his time? He says that because in all probability, he is from space. And maybe all humanity knows is a life in the stars. Which is how he would end up in a starship even without the Federation or Earth or whatever is the major consequence of what happens that requires reversing.

I think it would grant the writers great flexibility for a few reasons. First, if La'an falls in love with a Kirk that is similar, but doesn’t really exist, it would be very convenient for the writers. I think we tend to think of Kirk as the main character when we see him, but consider that La’an is the main character and Kirk is “the woman of the week” as TOS has often introduced and left behind.

My take on it is that this AU Kirk will be Edith Keeler’d—this Kirk will be killed off. Maybe not in a literal sense, but he may be aware that his existence will be undone by time or their actions and will go through with it nonetheless. Or even more interesting would be that La’an feels she must sacrifice him, which would be a very intriguing flip on the script, since it’s him normally playing that difficult role of sacrificing others for the greater good. I think it’s quite safe to say that the SNW writers will bank on the popularity of the very famous TOS episode “City on the Edge of Forever,” and require some kind of great sacrifice. And I’ll bet it’s that fixing things undoes him, especially since the audience has a general attachment to this character.

After all, the title of the episode is "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow." Yes, it's a typical Star Trek time travel title, but it's also taken from Shakespeare's Macbeth, just like the TOS episode titled "All Our Yesterdays" (featuring the main characters trapped in several timeframes of a planet's past). This soliloquy is about the futility of life and the onslaught of time. The idea that the chance of living is snatched from you by the absurdity of the universe, which supports the idea of loss and death.

And when she inevitably sees him again, the real one? It would also explain the brief scene we see in the trailer where La’an sees Kirk (the real one, I assume) and Una says she has a “strange energy” that’s “making her sweat.” I suppose if you met a man, fell in love with him, sacrificed him/saw him killed or undone by time, and then met him again incidentally and he doesn't know who you are, maybe you'd have a bit of strange energy about it. After all, that was a very odd line to convey the idea that La'an is simply attracted to this man she's seeing for the first time.

Second, it allows them to play with continuity a bit while keeping things neat. Suppose whatever happens to alter time is carried out by the Gorn, which we know are a key player this season and we know are actually intelligent aliens and not just xenomorph monsters. Kirk is never aware of the Gorn until the TOS episode “Arena,” but to get around this, it could be possible to make this AU version aware of the Gorn, another alien species, or even a specific person he won’t meet until TOS, because it simply isn’t the same man. Or supposing that this is somehow Khan related—this is a La’an episode, and she could be a focal point which is why it must be her character who time travels to prevent this—and if it’s important to the writers that Kirk can’t know of the name Noonien-Singh until the TOS episode “Space Seed,” it’s perfectly acceptable for him to find out about her family history here. I suspect that there will be a great deal of continuity bending.

Third, it also allows them to keep things very neat if this AU means that whatever organization Kirk represents does not work with other alien species or is outright warring against them, or his Enterprise simply has an all human crew. I don’t think we would see Spock, even briefly, in this episode. I would assume the writers would think giving us an AU Kirk and Spock before the real ones even meet would be spoiling the audience's appetite and taking away the focus from La'an. It would make sense if that organization is enemies with the Vulcans/other species or first contact went very differently.

Finally, assuming all this is right, that La’an is in some AU version where her current timeline has shifted to be Kirk’s Enterprise, I would really like to see them do the following before kicking off the time travel bit. This is not a theory but a bit of easter egg/continuity I’d have written if I were writing the show, and I hope they don’t miss the opportunity.

I don’t think they will introduce any of the other major TOS main crew this early. Ortegas was meant to be the original name of the helmsman on Kirk’s Enterprise from the early pilots Roddenberry was developing. We also know that Kirk's first navigator (Gary) and Pike's current navigator (Jenna) are both called Mitchell. So I would love to see the writers give us a scene where La’an enters the bridge—immediately sees Ortegas, but there's just some ‘random guy’ in the Captain's chair and some other random guy as the navigator, neither of whom she recognizes—is baffled, and asks Ortegas, "Where the hell is Pike, where is Mitchell?" and the navigator interrupts her and says, "I'm Mitchell—but who are you?" I would love to see this because Gary Mitchell is such an underutilized character and it would be such a waste to ignore that parallel. It would also be safe to do so since it would be a delightful little "give" to the audience and would not require the casting of a major original series character, which would be a “big deal” for the story.

Okay, that's all for now (as if that wasn't a long as hell post).

[igsshi]

Okay. Well, I have to admit that I'm on this ship, ha-ha. I usually don't write anything here, but after s2e05, I have so many thoughts, I really want to discuss this! I rewatched the episode several times because... well, how could it be otherwise? It was fantastic! I laughed for about 30 minutes of screen time. Definitely, s2e05 is now in my top 10 favorite Trek episodes. Sorry, Reboot, you'll have to step aside.

Firstly, Amanda! Her storyline, her relationship with Spock, the way they showed what she had to go through... It was so emotional. It gave me such a heartfelt feeling... wow.

Secondly, Spock being human is just so much fun, intriguing, and unexpected. It gives us a new perspective on his character and emotional development.

Christine and Spock. Perhaps this is the best way they could transition from their "friendship" to something more. Come on, who among the fanfiction writers helped the screenwriters with that final scene?

Though, I expected the kiss to happen after the events in space that we saw in the trailer, as it would have been so dramatic (oh yes, I love drama, twists, bittersweet feelings...). But, I must admit, considering the events in ep 5 and the events in ep 1, everything turned out quite dramatic and... just as it should be. Almost perfect.

I'm concerned that there's still half a season ahead, and we know that these relationships will end badly. Because we have TOS, and there's no chance for them there. I respect everyone who reveres the canon. I used to think that way too. But since Discovery S2, I think, "please, fuck the canon," because Pike doesn't deserve such a future. He's too wonderful to end his life on Talos. And we deserve a happy ending for spaple, as they are the cutest space kittens in the world!

And, actually, I have thoughts about snw and the canonical timeline.

[lenievi]

001 - la'an/jim

001 | send me a ship and I will tell you:

when I started shipping it if I did: Funny story. When they announced the characters for SNW, I haven't watched TWOK yet, and for some reason I thought that the connection Khan has is with Spock. (STID made me think that, but idk if it's actually accurate, I've seen it only once). And so even though I expected Spock to be paired with either Chapel, Uhura, or Leila, I was also wondering if they wouldn't pair him with La'an because of that Khan connection (and it's not like there weren't scenes in season one supporting that). Basically ever since them announcing La'an, I expected her to be a love interest. Then I saw the finale of s1 and La'an served with Kirk, and I went !!, and around this time I also understood that the Khan connection is actually to Kirk, and I also finally watched the TOS movies a bit later. And to kind of prepare myself for a Kirk romance (even though I hoped for Kirk/Carol so much), I was like, ok, Kirk/La'an, I'm gonna commit (I even created a whole AU where Kirk just stays the Farragut captain, and McCoy and T'Pring are there too. The only fic I've written for it is mckirk-ish tho). It was all for fun, because tbh, I thought it was silly to create a character just to romance her with Kirk because "haha Khan funny". Well........ well, then the first trailer for season 2 dropped and I was like kshfjsdhfjdhsjgkhsdjkhgjk so uhm, yeah. I already went into s2 being deeply into Kirk/La'an, and it just delivered.

my thoughts: <3<3<3

What makes me happy about them: They can both be vulnerable with each other.

What makes me sad about them: The future, mainly.

things done in fanfic that annoys me: I don't really read fics for them... but what annoys me is how people treat Carol (or rather Kirk’s thoughts toward her)

things I look for in fanfic: Things I would look for would be how the two of them slowly change each other, how La'an would become more relaxed and open, and how Kirk would also learn to be without his mask and pretenses and bravado more often.

Who I’d be comfortable them ending up with, if not each other: tbh? anyone who isn't Spock LMAO for both, yes

My happily ever after for them: the Farragut AU. Would take a bit of convincing for them to date as a captain and his FO, but it'd happen (in my 'verse anyway)

who is the big spoon/little spoon: Kirk/La'an

what is their favorite non-sexual activity: this is something I need to think about. I haven't come up with something "them" to do in their free time, except stuff related to their duty lol

[ask meme]

[squireofgeekdom]

perpetually obsessed with the storytelling/character/meta brilliance of the decision to have pike know about the accident in his future

further obsessed with the added layer of brilliance of the decision to have spock also know that pike knows

further further obsessed with the decision to have a substantial part of pike’s decision to accept that future be rooted in protecting spock from a similar fate (and protecting spock’s future), and then to have spock also know that

yes obviously after the snw s2 trailer i am back in my feelings pit how did you guess it’s almost like i told you before or something XD

because like. there’s the nature of doing something set before an established story of knowing where the status quo has to end up. and when you bring in known characters from an established story you know where those characters have to end up. 

with bringing in chris pike in discovery s2, you know that the answer to ‘what happens to chris pike’ was set over 50 years ago by a two-part episode ‘the menagerie’ (that contains all of the on-screen content of the mainverse version of the character up to that point, by basically re-airing the unaired pilot as clips, and an off-ramp from future stories by leaving pike on talos iv) 

so what do you do with the fact that a share of your audience is going to be going ‘oh no, i know what happens to this character’ - and on a broader level, that you are telling a story where you know where some of the pieces have to end up (though very cleverly by their discovery-to-the-far-future prequel-sequel switcheroo, not all, i want to shake hands with the creative team who came up with that) 

you give an on-screen story that’s wrestling with ‘oh i know how this ends’. you give the character where people know ‘oh no, i know what happens to this character’ the knowledge of ‘oh no, i know what happens to me’ and you have that aspect of the audience’s pov in this character and being wrestled with in this story as a mirror (and it also lets folks who haven’t seen tos in on context folks who have seen or are otherwise familiar with tos have, which is *chef’s kiss*), it’s so brilliant, i also want to shake hands with the creative team who came up with that

it’s not something that would have worked with a character like spock, or in snw, uhura, where there’s so much we know with what happens to them that trying and picking through and then thinking about what that changes in terms of framing would be far too complicated and involve too many asspulls. pike is just about perfectly set up for it because what we know about what happens to him is so contained and set as an ending -- and works out specifically so that if you cut his foreknowledge off with the accident, it is going through and trying to face a tragedy and still have it be a meaningful piece of self sacrifice - as it’s originally framed as in tos, and not knowing that will be mitigated in the context of the existing narrative

and speaking of mitigation. we get to spock.

having spock know that pike knows - but not know the full details - is such a fascinating and good choice, because it just subtly shifts the framing where pike’s accident is no longer something that would come as a tragic shock, it’s something spock has known is coming for ~seven years, but not known the exact details of. he knows that pike chose to go forward anyway, that he was prepared and accepted the nature of whatever sacrifice, whatever ‘death of the man he was’ was coming. the layers that adds to spock saying ‘and i’m going to choose to try and make up for some of that sacrifice, to give back whatever’s possible to the man i knew, whatever sacrifice that means for me’ is. a lot.

because they do so much in s2 of discovery to set up parallels to the menagerie. ‘hey you know how spock took his ship against orders and ran away with it off to this forbidden off limits planet for pike in tos? here’s pike before that taking his ship against orders and running away with it off to the same forbidden off limits planet for spock in tos’

you chose to risk yourself for me. i choose to risk myself for you. 

(”Starfleet... is a promise. I give my life for you; you give your life for me. And nobody gets left behind.” - thanks for putting it so succinctly Chris)

that then giving spock the knowledge that pike’s self sacrifice is in part related to sparing himself adds yet another layer. ‘i accept that you willingly choose to sacrifice for me. but i am also going to willingly choose to sacrifice for you.’

(and the layers of potential implication from chris being told by his future self that spock’s future is important and the implication inherent in chris’s choice of sacrifice choosing spock’s future over his own and spock’s decision in the menagerie then having the framing of saying, no i still have a choice in my future and i’m making this choice even if it risks my future, i’m making this choice so you can have a choice about your future’ im. the fact that you can reframe foreknowledge of a story that by the nature of the shared universe you’re working in you actually can’t change as still having deep threads of choice. despite having acceptance be an important part of the character with foreknowledge’s story. ohboy. it’s a lot. *spock voice* fascinating)

and that’s brilliant and just makes me wail about these two even more. everything they do to frame the menagerie and pike and spock just. absolutely brilliant. (and i really hope saying that isn’t jinxing it for s2 lol)

(“eleven years four months and five days“)

anyway i have already written about this a fair bit in fic and am currently writing MORE fic but it turns out i just need to yell more! about it!! 

[weerd1]

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

Let me preface this please by saying: I am just an idiot on the internet. But when I want to gush, I like to gush.  I want to talk about why SNW works so well for me. There will be spoilers for S1 and mention of things seen in trailers and promos for season 2. 

This show pulls off something that the Abrams films did well, and perhaps this show does better: It engages nostalgia without wallowing in it. The nostalgia invoked here isn’t a game of “how many Easter Eggs can we fit in an hour of television” or a contest to see if the most call backs to other series can be made. It is its own identity that leverages nostalgia to remind you the universe this is in, while still going, well, boldly in its own direction. 

It’s not just aping previous incarnations of Trek with it’s soundtrack-though there are places where it appropriately drops a motif, and for me that works. Yes, we get the ‘Amok Time’ fight music, but we get it in a scene which falls completely in line with this younger Spock’s character, dreaming as he is wrestling with his duty to his Vulcanity and his Humanity. 

When Sam Kirk shows up, it’s not because “hey look everyone it’s SAM KIRK!” He’s not only an interesting member of the crew we get to explore in ways we haven’t before (who knew he was basically Guy Fleegman?), but also setting up the eventual and inevitable introduction of Jim Kirk. 

Are there maybe places where the show goes a little too far with those callbacks?  Sure- I’m still not sure where they are going with the Sybok thing. And despite how much I adore the character, and see some interesting internal conflict based on it, I’m not sure really if La’An really needed to be a descendant of Khan Noonien Singh. 

What I don’t see is storytelling being shortcut BECAUSE of nostalgia or callbacks. This show feels like and is obviously rooted in TOS, but it’s willing to stretch the shared characters without them going OUT of character, and it’s willing to show you the Star Trek perhaps we would have had if Gene Roddenberry and Gene Coon had a lot more money and tech at their disposal...but those are just trappings. 

The Human stories here are what makes it Star Trek. So even in places where I might have preferred something a little different, I never get the feeling the writers are just playing Trek madlibs to sketch out their story. We see things that from the chronological perspective make sense to be present, and we see plenty of new we haven’t seen before.  

Yet it feels fresh, contemporary ALL WITHOUT HAVING TO RESORT TO GRITTY. It’s an unabashedly upbeat drama, proud of its heritage without being utterly reliant on it, and carving a space on TV counter to so much GRIMDARK around it. 

And so far what I see in the previews of S2 look to want to do the same. From straight comedy with Boimler and Mariner showing up, to a solid courtroom episode that I would assume ends with an acquitted Una as she appears throughout the trailer. I hope they keep it up. Like the Kelvin movies, there’s a love here for the source material as a foundation. But this show reigns in the willingness to roam a bit and stays firmly in the Classic Trek mode. Here’s hoping Season 2 keeps it up.

[queen-of-love-and-beauty]

Main things I noticed from the new SNW trailer:

Una just being shown twice in a chair? And doing nothing else? Yes I am aware she’s a commander and second in command but come on! She should be doing more.

Batel? Girl go home why are you here?

Spock/Chapel kiss? I dig it! Be mad about it I don’t care 🤣

Did I mention Batel needs to go home?

[duxduxdux]

Mea Culpa

———

T’pring: I regret not being more forthcoming. Doing so would have most likely circumvented the unpleasantness of the kal-if-fee

Spock: I agree. However, in retrospect, my decision to join starfleet was most likely both unexpected and undesirable for you. My negligence likely played no small role in precipitating the events.

Spock: You and Stonn appear to be well suited for each other. Additionally because things have worked out well for me, I see no reason to bear any ill will.

T’pring: Indeed neither do I.

T’pring: oh! Is that your… Current partner?

Spock:

Spock: Yes<3.

T’pring:

T’pring: he seems nice.

Kirk: PLOMEEEEEEK!

———

I was chatting with a friend on insta about the Spock/Pring kiss in the snw trailer. And I mentioned how I really hope they don’t make Pring a villain. In my head, I feel like Spock and her really get along because they’re really similar personality-wise, they just aren’t head over heels in love with each other. I really hope they portray T’pring and Stonn as having a really cute, genuine relationship, and I hope that Spock and T’pring are able to make amends, and go on double dates, and gossip with each other about Vulcan Stuff. I really really really hope Spock and Pring turn out to be best bitches. Please paramount, can you do this one thing for me?

Addendum:

I also like to think that Stonn is as smart as paper.

———

T’pring: STONN, honey. Don’t give him that. Just come stand by me sweetie.

———

[starrybouquet]

I realized today that we have very few episodes left of Lower Decks and that after that comes Discovery. I was... surprised by how much I am scared of Disco s3, and how said I'll be to see LWD go (for the time being). In general, I'm not anti-New Trek, but BIG WARNING IN RED LETTERS: I am rather critical of Disco and especially Picard here. I'd put it under the cut, but I'm on mobile, sorry.

I wasn't alive when most of Trek aired and so this is kinda my chance for actual current Trek during my lifetime, so I feel like I have possibly more of a right to be upset about this than someone just wishing for "the good old days". However, if even a bit of anti-New Trek is not your thing, don't bother reading this. I just needed somewhere to rant, and if I can't rant on my fandom blog on this godforsaken site, then it's not serving its purpose 😂

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Thoughts in bullet form, cause that's how I roll:

I want to like New Trek. I want to like it so, so desperately. I'm too young to remember anything about Voyager/Enterprise airing, and I didn't enjoy the reboot movies (too actiony). This is my chance for real, new Trek content, and I love TNG and Voyager to bits, like DS9 and TOS and ENT well enough, and I want to feel like I'm watching "current" scifi for once. Also ideally sci-fi that does not put one of their main women cast members in a bodysuit. Thanks.

So I was very excited about Disco. I liked the first episode. I liked how Burnham was portrayed, and I liked Georgiou, and Saru, and I thought, this is promising.

And then (spoilers ahead)...Georgiou died. And then we did this whole mirror universe thing which seemed to have a lot of violence for shock value and a lot of Burnham soliloquizing and that's it

I love Picard's soliloquies and Janeway's soliloquies and Sisko's soliloquies and I'm even okay with Archer's. But it was just wrong to me to have Burnham soliloquizing when she *wasn't the captain*. She's a crew member, rank stripped, and she's standing here taking up all the airtime? Everyone else just listens to her? I like the concept of doing a show not centered around the captain. But in practice, it's...tough. Especially when you aren't focusing on the XO, which I think is possible.

So I suffered through s1 because it was Trek, and I didn't love it. There were some good parts. But not enough to outweigh the bad. But I tried s2, because hey, maybe it would be better.

And you know what? I loved Pike. I liked it better overall. I wished it had been slightly more episodic, more character-driven, less plot-driven, but I liked it. Especially because of Pike. Burnham still had an inordinate amount of power for a science officer, and also randomly decided to leave the ship, but okay. I was okay with it.

So, the funny thing is, I actually think Discovery is okay. So why am I dreading season 3?

I don't know. I mean, Pike is gone. I'm worried about how they'll portray our future--it looks like the Federation is in shambles, from the trailer? To be very honest, though I'm happy to see trans and NB rep, I'm afraid of that plotline overshadowing all the characters we already have who already don't get enough character development. I'm afraid of the plot overshadowing that char development in general, I guess.

But the saddest thing is that this dread is new, and I'm pretty sure it's because of Picard. It's not Disco's fault.

I'm sorry. Yes, there were some redeeming qualities. Yes, I really dislike Picard.

As y'all know, I am a HUGE fan of TNG. I can't say Picard was my favorite, because four TNG chars are tied for that spot, but he was one of my favorites. And I hate--HATE--how Picard the show has changed my view of him.

I don't really dislike Picard himself in Picard. He's okay. Maybe not exactly the character we remember, but I could have lived with that, IF HE HAD A GOOD SUPPORTING CAST.

And here is where it starts to get really ranty, I'm sorry about that, but these thoughts have to go somewhere. Scroll past if you don't want to read this, I won't be offended.

Mostly, there's a bad case of "show not tell" and also a lack of redeeming qualities with all the characters.

Let's start with Jurati. Why, exactly, am I supposed to care for her? I just...she betrays them, betrays everyone, and never shows that she's changed. We're told all about her brilliance, how she feels. She never shows that to us. I so wanted her to be a good character, because he's a scientist and a woman and I'm a scientist and a woman, but I ended up hating her. Sigh.

I actually like Rios. I find his character well fleshed out and likeable and let's face it, he's exactly my type. So, why oh why is he with Jurati?! He deserves better...

Raffi. Ah, such potential. And some good background. But her self-pity routine is way overdone, and we are only told about her friendship with Picard, not actually shown that. Sorry, but I'll accept someone who calls Picard "JL" when even the TNG crew all calls him Captain or Jean-Luc only when I actually *see* why they're close.

I liked Dahj a lot. But Soji was somehow...so unlikable in contrast. I don't know why? And I have so many questions plot-wise, so many holes that I feel got cut out in editing and were never fixed. Anyway.

I LIKED ELNOR. HE WAS NICE AND A GOOD CHARACTER AND WE SAW A GOOD BSCKSTORY AND THEN HE JUST DISAPPEARED. WHAT.

Oh, and killing Icheb for shock value was totally cold-blooded and pure malice and evil and God clearly the producers didn't care about Voyager. Even though Beyer was one of them.

And unfortunately, this has not made me feel better. Just more upset about Picard. There are so many other things I want to pick at. The plot, the weird editing, the weird pacing, killing an Imzadi kid for a completely stupid reason. Ugh.

I'm sorry for subjecting you all to this.

On a more positive note, I've loved Lower Decks and am really hopeful and excited for SNW? So there's that. Hopefully I don't have my hopes dashed.

It should also be noted that despite all this, I'm still going to watch every show, probably, which explains why CBS doesn't care if I like it or hate it. Gotta love that. Take my money, CBS.

[lenievi]

accidentally saw snw trailer (just before going to bed, and now I’m still not in bed) :/ and I kind of forgot everything about it thanks to the last few seconds

because KIRK IS A CAPTAIN (he’s wearing three stripes!!!) so my time travel theory can still happen lmao (I mean it did happen, but you know, MORE time travel) and it’d really explain the actor’s age; or he’s a captain - which also cool, even though it’s too soon (but anything but Lieutenant Kirk in 2260) [tbh just show me more from the discarded timeline]

but I really hate I saw it because now I’m going to imagine stuff and then I’ll just be disappointed 

but yes, please, give me Kirk/La’an episode. Don’t you dare tease me with this. They have the potential to become my favourite snw dynamic and I want it and need it. 

I’m gonna be soooo disappointed lol That’s why I hate watching trailers.

no spoilers, thank you. atm I only care about Kirk and his three stripes. And Kirk/La’an.  But I honestly don’t remember the trailer. I don’t even know if there was an air date lol (don’t tell me when it airs, I don’t want to know)

(if they’re playing pretend or there’s some weird shenanigans going on... gonna be so disappointed lol)

[lenievi]

snw spoilers (for upcoming stuff too)

it looks like the next episode will have some backstory for M’Benga and Chapel 👀 

and it might mean it could be lighter on Spock, and more Pike, M’Benga, Chapel, Ortegas, guest star focused

and then if the musical is more or less an ensemble (with some Kirk/La’an focus - which might literally just be one scene, like Chapel’s song, who even knows) and the finale is the Gorn (even though Spock does get scenes with Chapel) I might actually applaud them for lessening Spock’s screen time in s2. (I can’t wait for the season to finish so I can rewatch it again in order.)

1 - ensemble

2 - Una

3 - La’an (Kirk)

4 - Pike, Ortegas

5 - Spock, Chapel

6 - Uhura (Kirk)

7 - ensemble

8 - M’Benga, Chapel, Ortegas??

9 - ?? Una, La’an ???? (idk just what the trailer showed so far - but most of it was like from two scenes lol), but it’ll probably be ensemble-ish)

10 - ????? (ensemble-ish???)

I still wonder which episode will have that shuttle scene which Ortegas is piloting and has Sam going on a mission. Maybe the finale before it gets dark??? Maybe they’ll be separated, a part stays up (Una, Spock, Chapel) and a part goes on a mission (Ortegas, Pike, La’an, M’Benga, Sam) ???? 

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I feel like gifs (and probably the discourse I keep hearing about regarding Spock and Chapel) from the episodes might make it seem like Spock is there all the time, but the season has been lighter on Spock imho

It’s not that I don’t want to see Spock, I just want to see other characters. Especially characters that don’t have 80 episodes already lol 

And M’Benga this season was very !!! I wasn’t that sure about him last season, but this season made me a huge fan. Yes, I know I talk about Kirk all the time, but I do like other characters.

[lenievi]

also apparently the Xover SNW episode is out, so I’ll be watching it sometime today, after I get over the trailer for ep 9 lol

can’t believe snw season 2 has more or less catered to me specifically

(the thing is, if I didn’t look at a few interviews* and if I didn’t see some people talking about stuff and their expectations, I’d have a much more pleasant time waiting for the episodes because “PR isn’t showrunning”)

* one of them was (even though it was just a part cut out from the interview) someone asking Wesley about if we’re gonna see “Kirk’s womanizing ways” re: Uhura and La’an (the interviewer pushing for Kirk/Uhura) and while I know the actors can’t say stuff, Wesley was like we might see some of that. Kirk likes women (which yes, ofc he does, that was not a problem, since I’m Kirk/women oriented anyway) but the whole thing kind of made me really wary of what they’ll do with Lt. Kirk, and that’s why I was so worried about ep6, and... Kirk’s characterization was almost like a dream come true (I’m not saying it was perfect but it was GOOD and made me happy). And that’s why I hate when people trust and quote interviews (to the point that some people will take what actors say as canon and will insert that into conversations) so much because they’re never the same as the shows themselves. 

that Goldsman interview that mentioned that the Cage (which honestly, get your facts straight) is still to come also talked about Kirk and AOS, and while that did happen, it was done relatively well (I might not agree with them inserting AOS, but it’s a part of the franchise and I do think that it’s nice they’re trying to make the Kirks and situations more similar... so... give Kirk his BFF Bones thx lol)

but there were just little tidbits that I managed to glimpse around that made me question stuff and made me wary and dreadful, and literally all episodes were to my taste (except for Spock turning human but I wouldn’t enjoy that no matter how it would be done, and even though I didn’t enjoy it, his personality was consistent with spored Spock, who I also don’t enjoy, so it still tracks and in no way it means that episode is bad.)

so, I guess, I should only trust myself and my feelings and not listen to others. But sometimes it’s hard because I would like to talk about snw with someone, but whenever I do, I feel like it eventually turns into everyone being salty...

anyway SNW might still betray me down the line, but so far I’ve had no reasons to worry even though I did worry...