#but that's mvho

[janiedean]

Book!Theon is Azor!Ahai, not Jon. It makes no sense narratively for Jon to be AA, and it’s the most stereotypical thing ever, and he’s already stereotypical, he’s the red flag for the audience. Theon’s chapters are full of hints, he has the perfect salt/smoke/stars/dragons thing at the end of ACOK, when he “dies”. His story is about destroying death, his entire narrative, with things that come from mythology and ancient literature, points to that. The show is trash, but don’t you think that it’s a little weird that Theon is there at the end and then Arya comes out of nowhere and becomes AA? And what ending does she get? Exploring the unknown SEA with SHIPS? Being free and on her own? Maybe it doesn’t make sense for her because it’s not for her. D&D already took everything else from Theon, they took this too. And even if he’s not AA, he’s still clearly connected to magic and all of that, he didn’t go though so much for nothing, he didn’t take his name back for the first time in his life, his name that literally means “godly”, for nothing. He has something big to do, and it’s about himself, not Robb and the Starks. And he’s also so clearly connected to the politics of the north and of the iron islands, a villain was literally created for him, so I don’t understand how can you say he’s not really important and all he’s got left to do is retire in a house and be sad. Of course he has a lot of trauma and that’s important, but I don’t like how people reduce him to that and act like just because those things happened, he can’t do anything else

anon with no ill will and I swear I don't want to sound pedantic or anything but I, uh, never came to the conclusion you say I came from - that said let's go in order even if I think I already went through all the reasons why it makes literally no sense if it's anyone but jon, but let's start with one thing:

It makes no sense narratively for Jon to be AA, and it’s the most stereotypical thing ever, and he’s already stereotypical, he’s the red flag for the audience.

it's stereotypical.... to us maybe, but it is not to westeros. like, you're looking at it through audience-lens because it has been years and the show confirmed r+l=j and we all figured that shit out, but to westeros, the idea that the prince that was promised is a bastard guy serving on the wall aka a state-sponsored prison where people go to not die and is filled to non-desirables to society is... the least likely option in existence? no really, but again:

first thing that should quiet all doubts, when melisandre asks r'hollor to see azor ahai bc she wants to see stannis, r'hollor shows her jon snow and instead of going like 'uh wait why am I seeing another dude' she's like 'I want to see stannis but r'hollor shows me jon snow there must be some disturbance on the line', like she doesn't even consider for a second that it might be jon;

no one else has brought WITHIN THE NARRATIVE jon up as a likely candidate - they said stannis, they said dany, they said whoever but no one ever said hey jon snow might be AA, because again no one even suspects that it might be jon;

other matter that you're overlooking here: if theon is azor ahai.... it means that the rebellion basically was for nothing? because like the entire shtick with rhaegar targaryen's bad life choices™ is that he was apparently a swell dude, then he read a book where somehow it was exactly explained how the apocalypse was gonna happen, he deduced that he was the guy who had to father AA/the prince that was promised and in order - first he doesn't care about fighting but suddenly after that he starts getting learned; - he immediately worries over having THREE children from which we can deduce from the narrative that as far as he knows in order to fight when the wights come he has to have three kids for three dragons and one of them is azor ahai; - the moment his wife can't have more than two even if he's sure that he already had the right one (aegon) he still runs off with lyanna to make sure he has the third because it's that important that HE rhaegar targaryen fathers the three heads of the dragon... to the point of starting a civil war and most likely giving arthur orders to make sure that the kid lives at all costs even if he thinks lyanna's kid is NOT AA; - let's remember that the entire schtick is also that 'he is the ptwp and his is the song of ice and fire' which means that this kid of rhaegar's is the person these books are titled after.

now, let's look again at tyrion's infamous quote which I always bring up in these cases but let's refresh our memory here Prophecy is like a half-trained mule. It looks as though it might be useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head now: given this, we can absolutely assume that no single prophecy in this book goes the way the person at the end of it interprets it... which means that rhaegar was wrong on a lot of accounts, but guess what, the thing is that one out of three of his kids is dead (if we count aegon as trueborn, if he's not then two on three but I think he's trueborn) and the one who hatched the eggs/has the dragon is DANY so he already was wrong on head of the dragon #1, and he can absolutely be wrong on aegon being tptwp which would mean mistake #2 and we should know about the prophecy, but one of his children being AA and his being the song of ice and fire looks a bit too much of a stretch to be incorrect and have AA being someone else's son also would be.... but if AA is jon ie the one he had for last that he was sure was not AA and who doesn't even have the targ name (nor the stark one) and no one suspects having that kinda ancestry then yes it fits exactly all the parameters and it still allows for rhaegar to have partially misinterpreted the entire thing even in large chunks but not enough to make it look like he was completely making shit up, which... I mean the long night is coming I don't doubt he had very good reasons to want to stop it; also, anon not to beat the dead horse, but: - jon's death fits all the prophecy parameters already there's the bleeding star, the smoking wound and the salt of the tears which btw is not obvious nor something you'd immediately do 2+2 about... which fits perfectly with the above - jon died and came back to life in the godforsaken show like he's literally the only idiot who resurrected in it and we're supposed to handwave it the way dnd did? - jon has a valyrian steel sword that he can handle while theon atm really doesn't - we could argue that ygritte could be a possible nissa-nissa contender though I mean maybe it could also be that he and val get hot and bothered and it turns out it's her or someone else and that hasn't happened yet but surely there's more evidence for that with jon than with theon - theon has like... povs in two books for a total amount of less than fifteen chapters, jon has at least ten chapters per book or so on, which just mathematically makes jon a main fiver character while theon is not and like I understand deconstruction and all but you don't make your ace in the hole mystical prince hero character someone who has had fifteen chapters total at most unless I remember wrong the amount he had in acok in comparison to someone who was a main throughout the entire thing - like guys I say it as someone whose third-fave char is theon, theon is not a main fiver™ character and that's okay that's not the point, and with that I don't mean he's not important, I mean that he's not one of the five main ones that have most of the plot stuff on their shoulders and he's not THE main character, because if theon is AA then these books are named a song of theon greyjoy and considering that the main five are jon tyrion arya dany and bran I think it's highly not probable that at the end of it theon is the one character to rule them all

and that was for how jon fit the criteria, but theon doesn't fit them because again he doesn't have a number of chapters/povs that justifies such a plot twist, balon is certainly not rhaegar and I don't see how rhaegar reads a prophecy wrt balon and thinks it's about him, the heads of the dragon should be three and theon had three siblings two of which are dead and asha has no tie to the dragon storyline, this means that theon should be able to ride/command a dragon and we know that in theory just targs can and there's already three of them around - dany jon and aegon - and if anyone who's not a targ has a narrative reason to ride a dragon is tyrion not theon... and tyrion is a main fiver too, also there's the nissa-nissa/burning sword angle and as it is theon could absolutely use a bow again but a longsword with his hands maimed like that and no muscle mass would be a bit implausible, in order for the reborn prophecy to actually make sense it means his last adwd chapter should have smoke, salt and the bleeding star which it doesn't but jon's has so there's that

now, re what you said wrt theon:

Theon’s chapters are full of hints

not really? he doesn't have a tie to the magical storyline beyond his connection to bran. they have hints for a lot of things but that he's AA? idt so

he has the perfect salt/smoke/stars/dragons thing at the end of ACOK, when he “dies”

okay but then I could use the same argument for saying that AA could be davos when he survives blackwater because he says he woke up in wreckage of smoke in salty water, and then stannis has equally valid arguments bc he has the shiny sword and he's in dragonstone etc and we all know it's not stannis, also an AA death at the ending of acok when the topic has barely been introduced in dany's vision is entirely too early for me to drop that bomb

his story is about destroying death, his entire narrative, with things that come from mythology and ancient literature, points to that.

his story is about overcoming trauma and abuse and not dying in the process (which is why I think the show was trash) and okay but everyone in these books has something that comes from a mythology or ancient literature, like jaime brienne and c. all have arthuriana roots same as bran, doesn't make any of them a viable AA candidate

The show is trash, but don’t you think that it’s a little weird that Theon is there at the end and then Arya comes out of nowhere and becomes AA?And what ending does she get? Exploring the unknown SEA with SHIPS? Being free and on her own? Maybe it doesn’t make sense for her because it’s not for her.

considering that maisie williams was shocked that arya was AA and she also thought it made no sense and that dnd never thought theon had his own storyline while I can agree on the fact that it fits more for him as an ending than for arya, I don't think that means it makes him AA, same as I think that they gave sansa his storyline and possibly his confrontation with ramsay and I'm not 100% convinced on the last part anyway but that just means they didn't realize theon doesn't exist for the starks' storyline, also like.. in the show everyone but c. was in WF and theon was already dead when arya did her thing and honestly idt the battle of the long night will ever go like that anyway so idt even partially show truthing is bringing us anywhere

and even if he’s not AA, he’s still clearly connected to magic and all of that, he didn’t go though so much for nothing, he didn’t take his name back for the first time in his life, his name that literally means “godly”, for nothing

I never said it was for nothing which I'll elaborate in a second and ofc he's connected to the magic storyline... because he's connected with bran's storyline and his last round of atonement has to happen through bran in the sense that since he was the one basically forcing bran out of wf now he most likely has to facilitate bringing him back or smth (surely not dying for him), but like whatever magical stuff he has going on it has to do with bran dot, not with AA which I still think he doesn't have a stricter text connection to than davos has for that matter and idt davos is AA as I think I made clear

He has something big to do, and it’s about himself, not Robb and the Starks.

never said he didn't, and I also said that I wasn't going to speculate in detail about what theon has to do because I don't think there are enough text elements to say it now but there will be when wow comes out for sure, but like again I don't want to make predictions when I don't have the elements and wrt theon's themes/possible canon ending etc I always said that he most likely isn't going to inherit the islands but that he'll do something huge before the books are done which is gonna be tied to the northern storyline and possibly to bran because he has to go specular to acok - acok is his downfall, adwd is 'I'll find myself again', wow+ados have to be what would theon do if he decides his own thing while being his own person, or recycling my old THEON HAS HEGELIAN THEMES IN HIS STORYLINE acok = thesis, adwd = antithesis, wow+ados = synthesis so obviously he has something huge in the plans.... I just don't think it means he's AA

And he’s also so clearly connected to the politics of the north and of the iron islands, a villain was literally created for him, so I don’t understand how can you say he’s not really important and all he’s got left to do is retire in a house and be sad

aaand here we get to the point which is that... I never said that? I honestly never said that? I said he has to overcome his trauma and live and thrive and be happy after that. if he retires in a house at the end of ados after he does whatever he has to do in the main plot it's going to be because it's what he wants to do and most likely he and jeyne are going to be adorbs while doing it together or smth or if he goes back to the islands and advises asha then he's going to be happy doing that too, but like... the entire point of theon's sl is that he overcomes that horrendous abuse while not being a perfect good victim™ throughout and still be happy after and gain his redemption? that's what I always said. I never said that now he can just retire and be sad. trauma recovery is becoming happy after getting over your trauma. not being sad. and like.... sometimes not getting amazing mythological things but just being happy by yourself is actually a goal? again, grrm is a lapsed catholic. if I know that breed and I do, he doesn't think redemption and happiness are in shortage at the supermarket. and in order for theon to have narrative importance/weight/relevance he doesn't have to do magical mythological IMPORTANT™ things (even if I think he does have something cooked up as I said above), but like the entire point of his sl is the trauma recovery. he's there for that. that's literally his point in the plot and the fact that grrm created a villain for him means that he thinks it's an important thing to explore.

also I personally think that theon's arc is the best written thing in those books so like I don't want to undermine its importance, I just don't think that in order to be important™ then theon has to be dragged kicking and screaming into main fiver territory because there isn't the need.

. Of course he has a lot of trauma and that’s important, but I don’t like how people reduce him to that and act like just because those things happened, he can’t do anything else

I don't like that either esp. when coming from dnd who didn't even let him have it fully, but: and when did I ever do it? I never said that theon is only his trauma. my standing opinion wrt theon is that he's grrm's best written/constructed character (along with jaime) and his most innovative one (jaime following but theon wins it) because theon deconstructs the backstabber trope which I already went on about but:

again usually ppl who backstab the good protagonist™ get caught and punished and you never hear their pov

theon has all the povs

he's the main char in that storyline not robb

he has entirely understandable reasons that ppl decided aren't sympathetic just bc they don't want to admit that in his position they'd have done the same thing

the audience hates him for having contributed to robb's downfall but then he gets a comeuppance that's completely not what anyone would deserve for that and he gets the spotlight/the sympathy again

he gets narrative redemption saving jeyne so you can see he's not an asshole at all

has to get through horrific abuse for his entire life not just with ramsay, he's not a good victim™ but he's still written in a way that makes you want to root for him and at the end he actually comes through so you want him to keep on succeeding

which is smth that with the backstabber trope never happens

now the thing is that theon's there bc a) identity issues b) trauma recovery storylines that then get tied to bran's main one but like idg why just having the recovery storyline would make him lesser - saying he's not a main fiver doesn't mean he's not important, it means he's not a MAIN™ character... which in asoiaf doesn't matter bc even ppl without povs are important to the narration and are there to drive a point (see sandor and stannis), and I don't see why saying that the most important part of his sl/the one grrm wants to stick with the readers is the survivor part of it rather than whichever heavy magic related plot thing he has to play in the future means undermining his importance. and while I think he has that role, idt it's the most important one he has bc being a survivor is what sells his storyline/the entire arc of his character.

then if come wow I'm wrong I'll be like okay I fucked up, but: honestly, imvho there is no way that azor ahai is not jon snow, the fact that collectively as a fandom we think it's obvious doesn't mean people in westeros do, each single point of evidence is at jon and if occam's razor is a thing then it's jon and that's okay because as deconstructed chosen one as he is, jon is still the protagonist of these books and regarding the prophecy above, it makes a lot more sense that this series is titled a song of jon snow and not a song of theon greyjoy and I say this as someone who vastly prefers theon as a character. also, if smth is well-written, readers should see it coming, so the fact that jon is AA isn't predictable if it's true, it's grrm.... knowing how to write a book and plant his hints because if everyone guessed right then if he makes it suddenly someone else bc jon is too predictable then it's dnd making it arya bc SURPRISE WE NEEDED YOU TO GO LIKE WTF HAS JUST HAPPENED INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THE NARRATION TO ITS NATURAL CONCLUSION, not 'it's too predictable' or the audience red herring the way jaime being the valonqar is an audience red herring. jon being AA should be absolutely obvious for the reader who paid attention and a total surprise for the other characters in the narration, the audience red herring is more dany than anyone else imvho and I'm dying on that hill for now, thanks for coming to my ted talk but like I don't see how it's anyone but jon personally X°D

[pastorcarlemitchell]

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[bjpb08]

One more thought, two cents, my humble opinion(MVHO:)) and all that....why does C have to work so hard at saying he is else where. He actually was either over the top (dramatic) with the screme or was so caught up (adrenaline high) so he just stayed with it, including the very convincing pout as AF said end of a decade....too much. He still is as bood of an actor as his partner and I don't not mean WS. He has so much to look forward to in this new decade. Won't discuss what he thinks about the previous decade. And what was the Kleenex in his hand for? And why 6 settings, no one else was there, didnt indicate thay were waiting for more...too many questions from what looks like a dinner party! But as everthing else still doesn't mean their together. Doesn't mean their not either, speaks volumes to me. Why would one film a diner party?

The stans are going to coo because the public narrative being presented is supporting their desire, which is for D to be straight. So they're not going to look at the obvious holes in their narrative. I can acknowledge that part of why I'm not 100% sold on CC is bc there are a lot of unknowns. But what I do know is that he is not in love with M and that she is a beard. That much is obvious by the numerous holes and issues in the narrative that IS being presented.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we are correct and D is queer and she is a beard. If this were real, they would not have to try so hard. And that is just one of the many glaringly obvious problems.

[psuturi]

mvho

[janiedean]

Oooh what issue do you have with naming J/B babies after Joanna if you wanna talk about it?

I mean... my issue is basically that it goes hand in hand with some more joanna fandom idolization which is not just in jb fandom it's everywhere which I'm extremely skeptical about, specifically:

jaime barely even remembers her and the one time he dreamed about her... she was sad? I mean honestly it doesn't seem to me like they had the most special bond in existence

everyone in fandom has this... idealized idea of joanna like 'oh tywin was an ass but she made him a decent guy so she had to be some kind of perfect angel' and I mean... tywin ruled westeros but joanna ruled him in private or however that sentence was doesn't suggest that to me, it suggests to me that she actually could handle him

and like......... to handle tywin lannister you have to be somewhat at last half as ruthless as he was so I honestly have trouble imagining her as some sweet lovely woman who'd have been a great mother to all of her children

also like... she separated jc when they were six and how if you're paying attention to your children you don't realize wtf they were doing and need the maid to find out about them? okay fine you're a high lady and blah blah blah but then it means those kids were left to each other or to someone watching them half of the time and that you didn't spend much time with them so.... again why would you name your daughter after a mother that was no great influence to you directly before she died?

also there's this whole take of 'if she hadn't died then tyrion would have been treated well and tywin wouldn't have hated him' which.... I mean guys westeros is an extremely ableist society and while I'm sure that tywin would have been less of an abusive arse to tyrion hadn't his wife died birthing him since she was apparently the only human being he ever gaf about (certainly not his kids) I'm really not sure that it'd have meant happy healthy family dynamics because no one says joanna would have been happy with having a disabled child and like sorry but when jc were experimenting at six it just screams unhealthy family dynamic and while I'm obv not arguing that she was as bad as tywin... like compare how the stark children that we have a pov of think about ned and cat who weren't perfect parents but certainly loved their children vs how c. and jaime think about tywin and joanna or tyrion thinks about tywin because there's like an abyss - c. might not be a surprise but j. doesn't think about joanna the way idk sansa or arya or bran think about catelyn ever so like while I don't think she was a shit mother or an abusive one I don't think she was a great one either and I see absolutely no reason why jaime would want to name his kid after her like sorry but it would make a lot more sense if he named her genna since it seems like she was more around in his life than joanna was from the way they interacted in affc;

and for that matter bringing up someone unrelated but who also had her mom kiiind of taken away from her young tho she's not dead... compare how asha thinks about alannys pre-war in affc to how jaime or c. think about joanna and do the math like asha obv admired her/loved her/had a rship with her, those two? meh, and okay asha was like a teenager when the rebellion happened so she had more time with her but still it's not that much given the circumstances so :/

tldr: I don't think joanna did anything either way to deserve a female jb firstborn named after her, idt jaime has any particular reason to name a kid after her and honestly I don't see why he'd do that, idt joanna is like a paragon of motherly virtue on account of 'we can deduce she wasn't an arse like her husband' and for that matter anyone who's in love with tywin for real can't be a saint (sorry this is not a tywin friendly blog here) and I don't believe in ppl naming their kids after their parents out of duty unless that parent did their job right/did well by them and I don't see jaime wanting to go there anytime soon because I don't see any text telling me they had the kinda relationship that means you name your kids after your parents *shrug*

obv this is just my two cents and I'm certainly not gonna tell ppl HEY YOU CAN'T NAME JB BABIES AFTER WHOEVER YOU WANT but... i don't see why joanna would be their #1 choice *shrug again* I can buy it if it's like... the second or third girl and at that point fine but a firstborn or the first girl they have? not really

[janiedean]

Haha yeah let's make fun of Americans for their shitty education system that's failing them, we're so European and enlightened! Next we can make fun of their school shootings and all the people that die because if the bad healthcare system. They totally deserve it!

…. anon for fuck’s sake I’m the first person on the face of this planet to not make fun of americans for their shitty education system which y’all know because I talk about it all the fucking time and I spent the last year reading nonfiction books about exactly the issue because oh guess what I’m interested in the topic and I would never make fun of school shootings or their healthcare except when pointing out that no first world country shouldn’t have public healthcare, but y’know what?

ALL THESE PSEUDO-ACTIVISTS ON TUMBLR DON’T GET TO PLAY THIS CARD.

because, my dearest darling anon who assumes I don’t know shit about how the us of a works when it’s 90% of what I’ve been reading about since I was twelve, the shitty education system in the US of A mostly affects… hmmm… poor people, and waaaiiitttt, what are the teen poorest states in the US?

Mississippi

New Mexico 

Alabama

Louisiana 

West Virginia

Kentucky 

South Carolina 

Arkansas

Georgia

North Carolina

now, nvm that I just read a book on cotton pickers in alabama this summer that gave me nightmares to the umpteenth degree which if was at all read by tumblr would cut off the white people/incest jokes by a good half, let’s check a moment. for whom did those states vote during the last elections?

Mississippi > trump

New Mexico > clinton

Alabama > trump

Louisiana > trump 

West Virginia > trump

Kentucky > trump

South Carolina > trump

Arkansas > trump

Georgia > trump

North Carolina > trump

hmmm. waaait. what do y’all say on tumblr about people who vote trump and states where trump won? that it’s all racists who should die and if they lose their jobs fuck them because they should have known better to vote for trump? hmmmmm. oh, yeah, the US school system is so great that this is the literacy level:

aaah, 14% plus 4% of non literate people means that 18% of the population pretty much can’t read functionally, and hmmmm how much is 18% of the US population? 327,2 million. how much is 18% of 327,2 million?

58.8.

hmmmmm… where do most of those almost sixty million illiterate people live according to you? I’ll spoil you: most likely in poor areas. hmm, what jobs did most of these people do in the 70s/80s? I’ll tell you because I read on the topic, they worked manual jobs in factories ie steel mills and similar places… which ah, wait, all closed because either economic crisis or whatnot, and no one thought that a lot of those people didn’t have other marketable skills. and aaah wait what did trump say? let’s make america great lIKE IT WAS, FUCK THE PARIS AGREEMENTS, LET’S GO BACK TO COAL -

ah.

yeah.

I absolutely can’t understand why would any of those people vote for trump, huh?

now: guess what, I absolutely understand why they would, and mvho is that if the US left would concentrate on, hm, reforming the public school system so literacy rates go up and people don’t fall for trump, it would solve 99% of their problems, buuut what do I see on tumblr? all people saying that whoever voted for trump is a neonazi and should die.

and now we get to the point: MY PAL, YOU CAN’T BE AN ACTIVIST OR CALL YOURSELF AN ACTIVIST AND NOT LISTEN TO OTHERS AND KEEP ON STEWING IN YOUR FUCKING IGNORANCE. I don’t laugh about the poor people failed by the public US educational system - my problem is kids on tumblr who all go to college or some private school paid by their parents who also pay for their internet and most likely their computers and who SAY THEY’RE ACTIVISTS who not only don’t know fucking shit about the issues in their own country, but presume and have the arrogance to push US social categories on OTHER COUNTRIES while not even knowing how the fuck their own social categories work because if y’all entitled people on tumblr had a fucking clue of why people make incest jokes about alabama you wouldn’t be laughing at them and you would stop not including classism in your precious social analysis of your country’s issues which almost never includes categories y’all wanna laugh at. AND YOU CAN’T BE AN ACTIVIST NOT CARING FOR THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE THAT DON’T VOTE WHERE YOU VOTE, INCLUDING THE POOR WHITE PEOPLE WHO VOTE DONALD TRUMP. 

and on top of not even knowing how your fucking country works and only wanting to fight for the rights of people who think like you - because if you look at the notes on the post for the fundraiser in favors of the miners of harlan county kentucky from this summer it’s full of people saying they deserve to die because kentucky is a red state, and btw as I just got some birthday money I gave them some fifteen bucks too but hey, keep on telling me I make fun of poor americans anon -, you show up on posts where people discuss their issues in their countries according to their societal standards and you presume to know better than us how our countries work and sorry but my pal, I say that the school system failed SO-CALLED COLLEGE STUDENTS WHO, GOING TO COLLEGE IE FUCKING HIGHER EDUCATION, SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN ASSUMING THE ENTIRE WORLD REVOLVES ALONG THE US SOCIETAL CONSTRUCT.

now: I 100% have a lot more sympathy for poor americans who can’t afford going to the doctor and most likely die in shootings and whose teacher didn’t bother with them in obligatory school because they decided they weren’t smart enough than for fucking entitled college kids on tumblr who declare themselves activists and then proceed to read the entirety of world history through american lens and prove the stereotypes about US americans way more right than any person actually affected by crappy public schooling might.

if you go into fucking debt to go to college - which btw I consider a total travesty and y’all should just fucking vote sanders and get on par with most places where you don’t have to join the army to get a chance at an education - I would assume that college gives you an education good enough to give you enough reading comprehension to understand whatever the hell I say in posts that I used to make extra-long and extra-detailed so that people who don’t have the context might get it.

since y’all obviously don’t have it, then your overpriced, crappy sub-par higher education failed the shit out of you. and it’s high time someone informed you of that.

now please go troll someone else and possibly go find dale maharidge’s books including the ones out of print that I went to hunt down on abebooks because they’ll enlighten you re all the things you, as hopefully an activist, should do to avoid trump 2020. now I’ll go back writing my novel in which I’m taking care to point out that y’all’s calvinist society is a damned dystopia and I sure as hell hope you think before messaging people this stuff next because I’m really fucking tired of y’all purposefully misreading everything I say.

sayonara.

[janiedean]

I think the Faith needed to approve R/L for J to be seen as R's heir by every1. The North might see J as trueborn since R's marriage to E was only through the 7 but the whole realm needs to see J as R's heir for King Jon to work. R/L having a wedding means nothing if it's not legally sanctioned, so if RL called themselves having a southern marriage bc R thought he could do what ancient Targs did (lol) then Jon is still a bastard. If they did it under the OGs then he's only trueborn to the North.

true too but I don’t think it matters? I mean let’s be real when r+l comes out however it comes out most likely aegon and dany already had the showdown, the zombies will show up and it’s going to be blatantly obvious that jon is azor ahai since resurrections should have a point in book canon, and the faith most likely won’t matter half as much as it does now (if the sept blowing happens then bye and if dany torches KL... bye as well) never mind that grrm hates the faith bc it’s obv. the catholic church and as a former catholic he most likely hates it, so... when it comes down to it I don’t think anyone will give a flying fuck whether the faith would have considered the marriage valid or not because the faith won’t exist anymore or it won’t have relevance if it does, and if it goes the way I think (dany goes back to essos and jon gets the throne without really wanting it because he’s the best candidate they have left before the kindgoms split)... then even if he was a bastard (technically) no one would gaf since at that point he’ll have saved everyone from the zombies anyway XD like however it went eventually it’s completely irrelevant to the story beyond the obvious plot drama revolving around it, but I don’t think it matters when it comes to the conclusion. XD

also, other ask:

Since GRRM likes to do twist fantasy tropes, I think the situation with Jon is this: while Jon is the "Lost Prince" trope, the trope will be played with and less fairytale-ish in that Jon is Rhaegar's son, but he won't be trueborn, or at least, acknowledged to be trueborn. He won't be Rhaegar's Legal Heir, the One True King. He'll just be Rhaegar's bastard. In a sad way, Jon's life and identity doesn't change, bc he's still a bastard, just someone else's. I think that fits GRRM's writing style.

actually I think it works better if he’s legitimate? in the sense that to me jon’s storyline is basically ‘going through all the chosen hero tropes and instead of it going well it goes bad and eventually everything he wants isn’t what he expected when he gets it’ and he’s more chosen hero than lost prince, but like tldr:

in the beginning jon’s main issue is that he wished he was trueborn and him being a bastard ruins his life/has caused him endless issues, except that in your usual chosen hero story the main character is with a family he hates/that hates him when jon has one person who doesn’t like him (cat) who still was fine with letting him grow up in wf and tangentially sansa but for the rest ned loves him and the other stark siblings do too

chosen hero usually leaves and finds a better family/better friends, which jon technically does... by getting into the NW which is basically shit and a glorified prison and doing it at fourteen basically means closing any other way to have a nice life also he has a few good friends and so on but they’re not automatically better than his family and in the end most of them conspire to kill him

chosen hero also usually finds the woman of his life and has his first amazing love story... and jon gets it with ygritte except that we all know how it went and she dies in her arms giving him even more trauma

chosen hero usually has adventures at the end of which he gets a good comeuppance.... and jon gets the lord commander position, which you’d think would be good and instead he gets murdered

like each single thing that happens in jon’s storyline is the usual steps of the chosen hero story except that every time they happen to him it goes sour. with this premise, I think it’s a lot more dramatic irony if he finds out he’s actually not a bastard... except he’s a targ and not a stark so it’s not the family he wanted desperately to belong to, and the moment it turns out he’s not a bastard it comes with a bunch of responsibilities/drama that he doesn’t want anything to do with because why tf would jon want the throne or to be involved with southern politics and so on? he wouldn’t want that and it would only separate him further from what he considers his real family and so on, and it still would be exactly what he wanted in the beginning... at the end of which he might reconsider and wished he had stayed snow xD like imvho if jon is legitimate is absolutely a deconstruction of his archetype/of what tropes grrm wants to do with him so like... imvho he most likely is legit also because it makes for better plot drama if he is, but that’s mvho of course xD ;)

[janiedean]

first of all thank you for answering my question with a lot of information bless your heart and i think it might not be too hard for me? because i'm brazilian (i speak portuguese) but i know spanish ( thank you abuela) and oh yeah i didn't want to work there without knowing the language i'm not brave enough to do that u_u again THANK YOU for answering me

np! don’t think so? most italians I know find spanish really easy to learn (I think french is easier if you ask mvho) but like... personally I can more or less grasp some 30% of a spanish text without knowing it beforehand and a bit more for portuguese if it’s not REALLY hard stuff and actually if you come from spanish you might fit in faster because like a lot of people don’t speak english but they can get spanish so XD anyway np

[janiedean]

Do you think Sansa will end up with LF in the book? Because in the book draft, Sansa was married to Joffrey, gave him childrens and loyal to him, do you think she will go down that route but with LF and the vale?

tldr: no.

long answer: I wouldn’t base anything on the book draft because if we were following it the triangle would be jon/arya/tyrion and that’s obviously not happening. also sansa is obviously not framed as the bad guy and the entire point imo of her stint with lf is that she’s learning his tools but with the point that she’s not going to use them for the same reason he does.

also: sansa can’t definitely have kids with anyone until she marries harry because that is the plan, so IF it happens the way LF planned it she still should be married to harry for enough time for her to uncover her true identity later and get the vale army. that is, IF that happens because that requires extra time. also: LF is dead meat - not even going by what happens in the show which if we go by PPL WHO DIE IN THE SHOW MIGHT NOT LIVE IN THE BOOKS means he’s a goner, there’s no way he survives the entire thing. it’s way more probable that he dies because sansa schemes against him and turns his own weapons on him rather than him getting to marry her, especially because she absolutely doesn’t want it and it wouldn’t really work with her arc -- like, sansa’s arc ROMANTICALLY, if it’s headed somewhere it’s about learning that the strong handsome valiant knight she wanted might not actually look beautiful outside and going beyond appearances, not about getting together with the legit creeper who only wants her because she looks like her mother and catelyn told him no.

and tbh imvho if she ends up with anyone (IF) for good, it’s either tyrion or sandor. my show money is on tyrion and my book money is partially on sandor, but those are two characters she actually had that above sl with and I don’t think it’s a random thing that she got married to tyrion (who is the one lannister that treated her kindly and who - regardless of what she knows - went against his father up to a point to not make her life even worse) and that she had her most important interactions in KL pre-asos with sandor ie... her coping method when it comes to the attentions LF gives her.

(meaning: her actual first kiss is with LF and given that sansa placed a lot of importance on that.... do we remember that she thinks sandor took a kiss from her in KL before he flew when he did no such thing? like, she’s using that to give herself some agency when it comes to such an important thing to her and I don’t fantasize about someone I don’t want to kiss taking my first kiss if I’m explaining myself.)

so: no. I’d actually be surprised if it goes beyond what’s happened for now as far as sansa/lf are concerned. but whatever happens sansa’s def. going north and reuniting with her siblings and she’s not betraying anyone. /mvho

[janiedean]

Hi, I agree with your view that you shouldn't need a reward/ punishment to be good. But I wonder as well if some people fear their own power/ freedom, and so simply worry they might kill just because it is possible? This kind of fear-guilt is common among people with depression (even if in reality you'd never act on it). Also part of me wonders if there is a reaction of "if this is all I've got then I should be having more fun, so why not go crazy". But of c, reality still has consequences, tho.

well possibly and the fact that for some people dealing with the idea of being able to do virtually anything to another human being without something to stop them might be a problem in that sense - and there’s been ages and infinite word-vomits on how as humans we have the tendency to do that in ourselves and whether we rise above it naturally or just because we made laws up and so on. it’s an ethics favorite since the beginning of time and will be until we turn extinct, never mind the empathy discourse (do we have it, do we learn it, did we always have it, WHO KNOWS), but the point is that this equation where atheist = immoral person who doesn’t care about moral rewards/punishments and so they do whatever they want has been around since forever - like, ‘atheists don’t have morals so they shouldn’t be part of community life’ is a concept you can find in *plato*, sad to say, and it’s only changed very recently - up until the 19th century in the UK you couldn’t be elected in the parliament nor testify as a witness in a trial if you were atheist/weren’t baptized/so on, and if you look at the percentages of how many americans would not trust an atheist president it doesn’t look good.

and like, given that people should not be good because they expect the reward but because it’s the decent thing to do, it’s really dehumanizing being told that since you don’t believe in something that you can’t logically or scientifically prove means you’re amoral and ‘who tells me you won’t backstab me or kill me because you don’t have a religion’. especially by people who jump to that conclusion without even knowing you. like... that and atheists always depicted as sad and angry people without a meaning in their life are things that should have burned with fire a long time ago and it’s really sad to see people perpetuating those notions in the year of the lord 2017 in secular countries. /mvho

[janiedean]

I keep seeing people reblogging that quote from the Thor 3 director about how Thor and Loki are rich kids from space and we shouldn't care about their problems and I really hate that. Yes, they have it better than a lot of people (no matter what kind of torture Loki may have gone through with Thanos and Loki's temporary slavery) but how does that translate to them not having real problems? It's fucked up to think we shouldn't care about family problems just because they have cash.

Like Jesus it's tumblr insisting white cishet men don't get to be depressed because they're not being oppressed enough by outside forces. Like sure keep in perspective when Loki insists he's all alone he could come back at any point but just because he hasn't, I don't know, been trapped inside his own mind for two years doesn't mean he or Thor are incapable of having real problems that we can acknowledge and validate!

I went and watched the video and fkdglskjg it’s out of context tho? I mean seemed to me like he was basically saying ‘I went and tried to make him [I didn’t hear anything about loki] more relatable with the humor approach + stripping him of most of what made him a **rich kid**’ but like... it’s an approach it didn’t exactly say we shouldn’t care but I don’t doubt tumblr only reblogs the first part of the quote :PP tbh I think they’re pretty relatable and I disagree that if you’re rich/white/cishet your problems don’t matter because it’s like TUMBLR IDIOCY 100% and like, guys, nooooooooooo, but like I do admit that I was okay with their family drama for the first movie and avengers and then I spent the second like ‘okay but can we move on to something else’ so I can’t say he wasn’t right in changing the approach because for **me** it worked but it’s more because it was fresh/a change of air and not because we shouldn’t care about their problems /o\ at least that’s mvho

[janiedean]

I was looking at the Iraqi woman's post about the hijab and I wanted to reblog it but I really don't dare because I know the hell I'll catch for it. It reminded me of the debate about feminism in my country that drives me up a wall. Some people believe that feminism means supporting any choice at all a woman makes because it's about how they choose to live their lives. Other people believe that some choices are influenced by patriarchy and aren't feminist which the first group is offended by.

eh years ago I wouldn’t have reblogged it but now I’m past caring about drama so *shrug* some people on here should benefit by at least reading it. that said I have Issues with a lot of the current feminist discourse in the sense that you should support choices that women man freely imo, but freely is the key word. if you don’t have an alternative to covering your hair or whatever else then you didn’t choose it freely and tbh I would highly question any practice that has religious attached to it but doesn’t have an equivalent for men - like, growing a beard is not the same as covering your hair, not by a long shot. now, people in the west have the luxury of that free choice (even if tbh if you ask me covering your head is still acceptable, covering your whole body is just.... okay, whatever, but I find it highly questionable), but a lot of people living in theocracies don’t and since they also are women and they also have... like, rights, I think people should listen to them too if they care about being really feminist for everyone and not caring about just their own garden. but that’s mvho.

never mind that idg why according to some people surrogate mothers are influenced by the patriarchy but if you cover your hair/body you’re not (spoilers: I have absolutely nothing against surrogate mothers as long as they freely chose it), but who even wants to touch that nest of vipers

[janiedean]

i'm not really worried about "ethnic groups disappearing" in the sense that what matters in your body is, being healthy, not being that or that colour. on the other hand, i worry about the power of immensely rich people like the Qatari royals, who use Islam in the same way Americans use Hollywood and big brands to "softly" assimilate more and more people. It's like the cold war 2.0. I fear our cultures may be snuffed out in those geopolitical fights, and our rights as well. (1/2)

I mean, look at how Saudi Arabia was just elected to join the Women's Right Commission by the ONU. They are so powerful that they can manage a coup like that one and people hardly bat an eye! So that's why the idea of welcoming people who are already susceptible to these ideas, is a bit frightening to me. I feel like it'd be sitting on a ticking time bomb, that if it ever came to my best interests as a woman they would be massively against me. (2/2)

I get what you’re saying but I think you’re having it slightly wrong if you ask mvho. I mean, I don’t like saudi arabia one bit and I’m not surprised that they managed to get elected to the women’s rights commission just because it’s not the first time the ONU pulls off crap like that, but at the same time the brand of islam in saudi arabia is not the same that’s everywhere else (it’s worse, admittedly) and... out of all the migrants who come here, I think there’s none or very little from saudi arabia (but a lot from yemen, which is not by chance a place directly oppressed by SA), so like... that’s not what I’d get worried about. also: economical migrants might be susceptible to the worst part of islamic ideology, but that’s another point we’ll touch in a moment. people who come to europe or leave because they’re persecuted or for their lack of human rights or because they’re political dissenters and so on actually are less susceptible to these ideas or if they’re muslim they can’t really care less about not cohexisting peacefully and assuming that by welcoming *muslims* we’re welcoming potential terrorists we’re making a perspective mistake because the ones who come here mostly come to escape regimes that oppress them or wars that forbid them to have a decent life and so on, not to snuff out cultures. also, if you look at it, all of the most recent isis recruits or at least a large part of them which were responsible for the latest terrorist attacks in europe were second or third generation immigrants who were dissatisfied with their life conditions and which were weak subjects that isis recruited. our terrorists are already here at home, not trying to get in, and if we don’t solve that issue (by making second/third generations feel welcome in Europe instead of giving force to the isis-led WESTERNERS HATE OUR RELIGION rhetoric) then we aren’t going anywhere.

also, I think that... idk how to put it but sorry, we’re giving our cultural roots very little credit here. european culture/civilization/culture of rights has been evolving since forever but there are things we established in the last five centuries or so (idk, SEPARATION OF POWERS when it comes to the government to say one) that are... like... really tied in our culture/way of being. also, there’s some things that culturally survived since the greeks or the romans (I mean, europe as a name comes from a greek myth and we haven’t done away with it now have we), we have mostly similar language roots regardless of where they come from, we have a shared culture, we have shared values (at large, then obviously every place has its nuances/issues), we’ve spent years building up the EU with a vision in mind and I highly doubt that a further merging of cultures that’s been happening since forever (I mean guys we use ARAB NUMBERS, arabs brought coffee here and it’s not even the beginning of it, european and arabian culture haven’t been strangers) is going to threaten our system of values. idk I don’t get why everyone is worried about the collapse of european civilization because of... 6% of the total of migrants from the entire planet arriving here right now or because globalization is happening. it’s happened for ages. the japenese isolated themselves for years, then opened their doors and then a lot of goddamned shit happened a good part of it fairly horrid but I mean, has japanese culture died out? it changed some, but it hasn’t and neither will ours. let’s just... not be that pessimistic, shall we?

[janiedean]

Actually it'd be weird to assume people on other continents are living the same way than us, when the city next door, like 3 hours away is in another country with a different mindset and language. However, what do you think could be done to reverse this tendency to try to guilt trip everyone? Because, in my very eu pov, I think it kind of aggravates to gap between people in the same countries and they may end up with trump 2 the way they're going.

a) traveling more and with that I mean at least within the US (I mean over there state A also has wildly different customs from state B so maybe same language but different mindset)

b) studying things in school with fucking context meaning that you study all of world history and not just your country’s own and you don’t gloss over the bad stuff (like I find it unacceptable that some people wouldn’t know that there wasn’t the draft in vietnam)

c) fucking forbidding homeschooling and making sure all school adhere to a certain curricula IE schools where creationism is taught shouldn’t even be a thing nor your religious parents homeschooling you without teaching things they don’t want you to know

d) instead of being overtly PC or overtly un-PC, make sure that ppl are actually up to date when it comes to what shit *white anglosaxon* pulled on native populations maybe speaking with the aforementioned minorities everywhere (same for black people obv) but also realize that privilege is not tied to BEING WHITE, it’s tied to being white anglosaxon protestant or passing for one and getting taught also that **white people** went through enough crap back in the day (again: oklahomans during the great depression if we don’t wanna touch the european immigrants topic)

e) studying other countries’ history in relative depth same as we do with theirs (I mean, UK at least. or general european. and other continents’)

f) teaching in school that talking to ppl you disagree with might get them to change their minds easier than guilt tripping them

g) travel to other countries

h) kill the notion that if your great grandparents came from country X you’re not American, you’re from that country. no. if you were born in the US you’re american-something at most. there’s nothing wrong with that. but good lord saying that *italians* live in new jersey when their family’s been there for generations just helps this concept that over here it works like over there

i) kill the use of the word race in any other sense than ‘general human race’ that would solve a bunch of issues in one go first of all getting people to finally understand why in the rest of the world racism is a thing that happens regardless of skin color

l) get people to learn more about their own culture without demonizing it or without making them hate it. like I detest when I hear this dumbass argument that ‘american white people have no culture’ because guess what most of my favorite novels/music/movies/art (which are in fact culture) come from... white american artists/writers/musicians. and these people made great things and I hate how people go like ‘nah doesn’t exist’ when it does in fact exist. stop guilt tripping yourself.

m) after that, just realize that y’all live in one fucking country that has one US american culture that might be divided in a lot of sub-others but this idea that black culture is a thing and white culture is another (if it exists obv) and they can’t coexist and be shared is ridiculous. like if you want to all live together just learn to share and coexist and it’s gonna go a lot better and you’ll learn that sharing cultures is a good thing and you won’t guilt trip people (obv that doesn’t count for, like, sacred things that can’t be shared outside the culture but I mean in general) and you’ll stop guilt tripping people from other countries

if that also comes with a general good dose of ‘teaching US americans that cultural imperialism and subtle imperialism are a thing’ - since I’m 90% sure that most US people have no idea of how many foreign governments the CIA tampered with in other countries bc they were too against US interests - it wouldn’t do a lick of damage because at least people would have an idea of what it really means to be against US imperialism/centrism rather than saying they are against it and then keeping on saying US centric shit anyway.

that’s mvho obviously.

and maybe get more ppl to read kurt vonnegut outside of high school and outside of slaughterhouse five like a lot of trump voters could benefit from reading god bless you mr rosewater I’m entirely srs

[janiedean]

molte persone criticano l'uso del termine "femminicidio", tu che ne pensi?

io penso che femminicidio devi usarlo quando una viene ammazzata per motivi sessisti. cioè se uno armato ti ferma per la strada per fregarti il portafoglio e ti ammazza e sei una donna non è femminicidio perché questo poteva prendere te quanto un maschio senza che cambiasse niente, se hai l’ex psicopatico che pensa che sei una sua proprietà e gli devi di non mollarlo e ti ammazza perché l’hai mollato e o stai con lui o con nessuno è femminicidio. almeno mvho.