#but also. like brambles

[briarborealisart]

this dsmp fic im writing rn is being fueled by three things - ghost and pals - a dream i had a few nights ago - my Extremely Normal friend

side effects of listening to ghost and pals entire discography on repeat may include losing sight of the individual, becoming deranged, wearing socks to sleep, eating rocks, uncanny relaxation, mental regression to year 2021 AD, and Ear Worms

bwuh i should put this on my oc/writing blog but it goes on my ramblin blog instead for fandom reasons. anyway im being soooo normal and my brain chemistry is not being altered at all

this fic is going to be my very first multichap ever (since like...middle school) which im excited about

im alsooooo making it my love letter to dreams (plural) (the concept) (of dreaming) (when youre asleep) (the experience of vivid hallucinations) (while asleep) (not the guy or the character or the server for that matter) i love dreaming i love dreams i love how uncanny they are i love how they distort reality into something that still holds truth at its core but never in the way you expect i love the brain i love that when i sleep im still alive

[clanborn]

i love when clangen accidentally makes an interesting story my deputy just murdered the medicine cat. whose sibling was murdered by the deputy’s husband the moon before. the deputy was found out by the med cat’s mom with ghost sight. she gets exiled since the deputy was the vengeful leader’s apprentice and they have a close relationship. the deputy and his fellow murderer husband break up. it’s like poetry

[yuridovewing]

Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw dynamic to me

[bonefall]

Did Brambleclaw actually disown the Three when the secret is revealed? I don't remember this happening (then again, it's been a while) but it does bug me how all three go "Poor brambleclaw :(( He was such a good dad to us and he has to learn we're not even his biokits :(((( poor guy" while simultaneously shitting on Leafpool and Squirrelflight despite them showing them more care and affection before AND after the reveal. If he does disown them, then.... WOW is the double standard real here.

In-canon? It's something you have to approximate. They don't seem to have a concept of ""disowning"" because blood relation is taken as such an insurmountable, FUNDAMENTAL fact of life. He doesn't write them out of his little kitty will and testament, but his actions ARE disowning.

It's as if the fact he is not their biological father is an automatic disowning. From the reveal onwards, he is immediately cold, distant, and the "betrayal" is mentioned often. The Three also explicitly don't blame him for his behavior, like it's just to be expected that he's Not Their Dad anymore.

Lionblaze in particular stares longingly at him several times, really missing him. And like... that's kinda what gets my goat so much

I do believe Brambleclaw is entitled to his feelings of betrayal. I believe Squilf was ultimately in the right to lie, actually, but he's still allowed to be upset and angry that she didn't trust him enough to tell him something so important. THAT SAID, YOU ARE NEVER ENTITLED TO TREAT OTHERS POORLY.

And that's what GETS me. He isn't upset that it was all revealed in such a painful and embarassing way when this could have been avoided, or that his lover struggled with this lie for so long without him, or that he feels he's lost his children. Squilf points it out in The Last Hope-- He's so ANGRY at Squilf that he will THROW HIS FAMILY AWAY

Lionblaze seems desperate to be his son again. Hollyleaf is gone for months, and Brambleclaw is still huffing about the secret when she comes back from the dead. Squilf is fawning in the hopes it makes him talk to her again. Doesn't matter. Brambleclaw Is Upsetti Spaghetti so the narrative will never examine his role in hurting this family he apparently loved so much.

(Narrative seems to understand full well that when Squilf lies for a good reason, that doesn't invalidate the hurt Brambleclaw felt... but when Brambleclaw is upset for a good reason, it actually DOES validate what he put her and his kids through)

In BB it is explicitly a disowning. He cuts them off as his children, and they reciprocate. BB!Lionblaze does so in a ball of fury, vowing that he has ONLY a mother.

[notwarriorswiki]

I need to reread The New Prophecy before I say for sure but Brambleclaw being offered the deputy position and turning it down would’ve been a far more fitting end to his arc upon feeling acceptance within his clan - because the true acceptance was never the rank, it was the family he found.

[spacebugarts]

I wasn't gonna make an Indigo Park oc but then I started thinking about the theme park I went to as a kid and I got the idea of a beaver running a ride based on water flumes like Logger's Run or Splash Mountain :3

They're also based on wildlife education characters like Smokey the Bear and Ranger Rick!

[ravenmoodle]

The Bramble

Wanted to create a 'envy' themed monster- but without being too on the nose. So I was thinking this eldritch god who envies humans for the simplicity of their existence.

the tangle of space. who yearns for the simplicity of being mortal

[formigoid]

I wanna run away, never say goodbye I wanna know the truth instead of wondering why I wanna know the answers, no more lies I wanna shut the door and open up my mind

Runaway - Linkin Park

[synthshenanigans]

Lil deku jash for the [technically] new song :}

[snailchasers-den]

First ever poll on this account, decide Tawny and Bramble's names as SpottedTiger kids for the False Prophecy AU, because I cannot.

Names in their family are pretty important to their stories, and I imagine their lives would end up being way different with how things play out, so dare I say you're deciding their fates in a way-

[t4tsurge]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY VIOLET AND BRAMBLE!!!

I low key almost forgot because I've been sitting on this art for a month but! June 19th is Violet's (she/they) and Bramble's (he/it) birthdays!

[shummthechumm]

bumble wc is just a piece of writing from this series that TRULY astounds me. like the characters do not acknoledge that shes a living person whatsoever once she becomes a "nuisance" (she is fat and a house pet). and on top of that, to have turtle tail turn her back on her as well??>?? because gray wing has it bad for her and so we have to exterminate the "obstacle" in the way of their straight romance???

like i expect gray wing and clear sky to be dicks but..why would TURTLE TAIL rationally allow her friend (who lived through the same abuse as she) be shunned away from the moor group??

its some of the most mean spirited shit in this entire series and it only exists as a plotline...for what reason??? cause "kittypets are bad you dont want to be a kittypet"?? its not like you remind us every fucking arc erin hunter. because we're supposed to like gray wing and they really wanted him to serve as an adoptive parent to turtle's litter?? like..what???

i dont even have a real point to this post i just want to express my confusion cause what even was the goal. it does nothing but make the entire cast abuse-enabling discriminatory assholes who are willing to send outsiders to easily preventable deaths. and we're supposed to agree with these jackasses??? ERIN HUNTER WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY TO YOUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AUDIENCE???

[cryptidclaw]

Is bramble was good in your au?[or less toxic more of] Looking at his design he seems to have changed a lot story wise.

oh ya I took him and made him my own oc at this point he is VERY different lol

Basically, kind, quiet, self conscious, malewife with daddy issues who is like Fire's kit's older brother.

he is very soggy.

[yuridovewing]

it actually is so bullshit that mothwing is so defined by her relationship to hawkfrost and how they grew up together and he ended up mistreating her, and that the erins just couldn’t care less about her relationship with her half siblings. hawkfrost is allowed to have some contrived half baked thing with brambleclaw but mothwing has zero family left and i guess they all just pretend shes this totally unrelated girl or something

[bonefall]

I personally like Thunder's prosthetic. Explained it to my friend (who does use a mobility device, a cane and wheelchair, and listens to me rant and infodump about BB) and they agreed, it's important to know that not every person needs what someone wants to give them. It's another example of "bad ableist person does a thing that hurts a disabled person because they are bad and ableist".

Clear Sky got Jagged Peak killed and would have killed Sunlit Frost! He would absolutely force his disabled son to be "normal" and present it like a privilege. "I wouldn't do this for anyone else, it's special, why don't you want to be helped?"

Thunder Storm should toss it in Clear Sky's face. (I would say toss it into the river but we do not pollute waterways in this house)

Thank you for telling me this, and tell your friend I'm thanking them too! If they have anything else to add please forward what they have to say

Since BB!DOTC tackles some of the heaviest topics in the entire series because its canon equivalent is so dark, I think very carefully about what I do here and how I show it. I take feedback on its sensitive aspects very seriously. If I'm understanding the criticism properly, it's that I should avoid stigmatizing prosthetics by making sure Thunder Storm's not the only one with it-- which he's not! And I'll add even more.

I don't want to avoid something only because it's uncomfortable if the topic is important, and my portrayal is respectful. Ableism IS uncomfortable! There are some situations where a prosthetic is not wanted! I think the rejection of this particular one is both a good opportunity to show a type of ableism and ALSO is very fitting for the characters.

In BB!Clear Sky's mind, the villain, he's fixing an old mistake. He can't admit that he got Jagged Peak killed or take REAL accountability for it (though he will, occasionally, apologize insincerely), but deep in his bones, he knows what he did was cruel. He'll never tell anyone this because he doesn't really cognate it himself, but Thunder Storm NEEDS to take his gift.

If Thunder doesn't take it, it blows a hole in his newest story. You see, throwing Jagged Peak out was All That Could Have Been Done back then. It was a Tragedy and he simply Made A Hard Choice. He regrets it very much, But You Have To Understand.

But now? Now? Well, behold. Look at what he's accomplished since the tragic death of his little brother. His cats are well-fed, cared for, and stable enough to make such incredible advancements. If only Jagged Peak had been able to hold on longer, if only he could be here now, I could fix him.

Just like I can (MAKE YOU JUST LIKE ME) fix you.

"Everything I've ever done is for Jagged Peak. For Fluttering Wing. For you." Thunder Sky is SPECIAL, but if he rejects any gift, tries to turn down the "privileges" offered to him, in an instant that becomes ungratefulness and arrogance. He both forces him to be special, and then leverages it against him if it's rejected. "Spoiled brat, doesn't appreciate what I've worked so hard to give him."

It all goes back to him and his own guilt. He can NEVER be wrong. He can't accept his family doesn't have to be "normal" or reflect his own ability. He won't see himself as a bully, let alone a murderer. It was never about his son's comfort or finding out what Thunder Storm wants or needs, it was about his own ego.

...All that said I'm still taking feedback if there's anything else I should keep in mind, or if anyone has a counter point, especially if you also have experience here.

(In the interest of having a link trail for posterity, here's the critique/call for feedback this is in response to)

[raintailed]

This is what Bramble looked like before they were modified. They don't remember being their past self, so past Bramble is essentially dead.

Perhaps past Bramble would have been happy to know that their future self is the master maskmaker they've always dreamed of being!