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Tim: You can't just run around here shirtless! Where's your binder!?
Jason: Shit! Where is my...... Did you forget I'm cis?
Tim:........maybe. It's hard not to when your tits are bigger than mine
Damian: You forgot too, idiot
Jason: Why don't you wait until you're taller than my tits before you run your mouth
Bruce: I will give you each $500 right now to talk about anything else
#based on real events#batfam#just siblings being siblings#tim drake#jason todd#red hood#red robin#damian wayne#robin#bruce wayne#bruce is having a bad time#my step dad would probably love to buy my silence#too bad he's poor#trans tim drake
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I think I’d be really funny, if Bruce was a reincarnated Vlad.
This is going to be based off of a prompt I saw (I will find you) where Bruce suddenly remembered his past life as Vlad.
HOWEVER, my take on that is the de-aged Ellie and Dan because the amount of ANGST and self hate that Bruce will go through thinking his past self was not only a villain, but also that sort of person?
It will eat him alive.
It will eat that man alive every time he goes to sleep and another burst of memories pass underneath his eyelids.
It burns him when he wakes up with the phantom touch of a body underneath his hands, of a boy just as young as Damian and thinner too, struggling to escape a grip of a man whose hold was too possessive, and too cruel.
It feels like acid swishing down his throat when he wakes with the taste of oily words filled with threat and something more whispered over the form of a boy. A young boy whose blue eyes blazed furiously back and yet tried to hide the quiet bursts of fear underneath.
It feels like Bruce cannot scrub the man he had been right out of him, even when his skin blisters red until it bleeds. Vladimir Masters had woken spitting and screaming, burrowed like a cold sore underneath everything that is Bruce.
Bruce hates it.
Hates the monster he had once been and still is — because despite the fact Vlad is now Bruce, living and breathing and existing here in Gotham — Vladimir Masters still exists.
He is out there right now in a little place called Amity Park, pulling weight and blood just to get what he wants.
A man who has used and abused for far too long…
Perhaps it was time to see to it, that however and whatever way that Bruce came to be, that it began with Vlad’s unfortunate circumstances back into the Ghost Zone.
#dpxdc#dp x dc#dc x dp#danny phantom#dcxdp#danny fenton#dp x dc crossover#batman#dp x dc prompt#Vlad is Bruce#but Bruce is not Vlad#he is really disgusted by his old self#he is experiencing trauma by association of his past self being a little creep#Bruce often wakes up feeling wrong in his skin and wanting to throw up#Vlad please stop causing misunderstandings even to yourself#bruce is a good dad#Bruce is very willing to set up the domino pieces for Vlad to kick the bucket#so long as he isn’t aware of how that bucket is set#Bruce might be going slightly off the deep end because of how many memories keep coming up#and it’s ALWAYS about Danny#Vlad has a way with words#and it’s like#bad#he is dumb your honor#a villain and an idiot
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Bruh emotional support ghost kid? Well thats what they are calling him
Suicide cases in gothem are about to fucking plummet boiz cause this one weird blue eyes, black haired boy is now heading to your location.
How does he know where to be? Having a bad day and are all alone? No the fuck your not cause don’t turn around now but theres some shiny blue eyes coming at you from that dark ally. Oh shit hes here to drop some information about you and your lost loved ones that he should know. Oh god the closure. How could you have been afraid on this sweet, creepy, boy who just helped you find your way.
Meanwhile Danny is chillin in Gothem cause the GIW hate it there (none of they equipment actually functions in Gothem so it’s either super haunted or actually not haunted at all). Then all of a sudden he gets approached by a random ghost begging for his help because their sweet baby girl is about to do something horrible. Oops now all the ghosts are following their most loved ones around just to make sure they are there to rush to Danny for help when all else fails. Now hes getting to fulfil his protection obsession double time because one hes helping protect people from themselves and two hes protecting everyone in Gothem by stopping people from becoming villains for revenge. Plus he gets to see first hand how hes making a difference because all those people he saved are sending him some good vibes from all across Gothem.
Thank god he followed Jazz around so much to slightly absorb some of her phycology knowledge over the years. Plus it was actually pretty interesting so she gave him her old text books. Shes also helping him deal with the rare events where he can’t save someone. Just a moment too late or he stops them but they later succeeded in the hospital. Neither are his fault. Now only if he could convince his core of that.
Anyway why Gothem you ask? Amity Park would have been just as good tbh but imagine Batmans face when he finally gets to be face to face with the emotional support ghost boy. Why is he here? Bruce is fine. Batman is fine. Hes not gonna do anything crazy. It’s just a hard time of year. Around their death always gives him grief. But hes an adult and can manage it.
“You know they are so proud of you.” The boy states. As if it’s clear as day, even though it’s Gothem and never a clear day. Batman blinks at him, stunned for a moment. “What?” This boy can’t possibly know that. No one will ever know that, Bruce can only hope. “They see their home, full of such life. That big house that felt so empty, so cold, to them as well for years. Then you filled it with Family and Love like they had always wanted for you. They are so proud of what you have turned it into. Somewhere full of life and warmth.” A small smile graces his face as finally “you have made your parents so proud” and its all he can do to contain himself. Emotions are running high and sue him because he really did need to hear that ok. The boy suddenly looks to Bruces right with a confused face “aren’t all basements like that though?” Before Bruce can even get a word in hes gone. Just vanished before his eyes.
#danny phantom#danny fenton#dpxdc#dp x dc#batman#I just wanted to write danny walking up to the buggest toughest batman and make him cry tears of relief#danny is helping his subjects find closure while always feeding his protection obsession#let him be interested in his sisters word#also god imagine bruce just having a bad time of it cause is the anniversary of his parents death#than the ghost kid just walks up and tells him exactly what he needed to heat#yes they are proud of the word batman does#he knows he has saved lives#but what about him as a father#would his father be ashamed of his parenting skills#would his mother be discusted at how he treats his children#he always remembers his parents as good parents so he wants to do right by them by also being a good parent#anyone can risk their life for another but few can be a good father#actually it’s easy just love your kids and sont walk out and leave them with an insane bitch of a mother#dad im lookin at you#and dknt marry your fucking step sister dad#isnt our family tree circle enough. why must u follow in grandmothers footsteps#at least with him is marrage related aye?#oops im rabling about my daddy issues teehee
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HI? I need help finding fics or prompts about this one Tim angst concept that I read somewhere but I don't remember if it was a fic or a post. You could also add onto the idea yourself if ur willing! Preferably I need help finding a fic tho-
ANYWAYS
It's basically "Tim doesn't like reading books because whenever Bruce saw him read a book he would get mad because it reminds him of Jason."
I remember something about Tim being banned from the manor library too, but that's all I remember.
If you do help me, I owe you my life because this has been on my mind for WEEKS-
Hi!!! 👋 Not a fic (that I'm aware of). Here's the post, though:
Fantastic premise that Tim hates reading, though. That, or he refuses to admit/do it publicly.
Here's the AU set up:
Tim loves reading (it was a way to occupy/busy himself when no one else was around)
He prefers sci-fi, fantasy, and crime novels
His parents preferred him to read classics and non-fiction
Tim, trying to feel Bruce out and discern what's allowed, resorts to his parents' preferred reading list
Bruce walks into Jason's library to find Tim reading a classic (Maybe The Picture of Dorian Gray or Wuthering Heights or whatever)
Bruce promptly freaks the fuck out
Tim, as a fourteen year old not yet proficient at reading Bruce (and doesn't have the background data yet of what civilian Jason was like), internalized the lesson that Bruce doesn't want Tim reading at all
Tim avoids any libraries when Bruce is around
To the Waynes and the Bats, Tim only reads technical books or ones related to the mission
When Jason starts getting along with the Bats, he teases Tim on his reading habits (maybe a comment or two about how Tim, a rich kid, should be well-versed with the classics). Tim brushes it off good-naturedly.
Jason also invites Tim up to Jason's library and is a little bit hurt when Tim refuses. Jason rationalizes it and doesn't blame Tim, but it was an olive branch by the older one
Jason finds Tim reading a sci-fi novel which prompts Tim into panicking
Then a reveal or whatnot. Anyways, fun concept ^^
#tim drake#thank you for the ask!!!!#jason todd#dc au#bruce isn't technically a bad dad in this#he just reacted poorly and didn't realize what his reactions conveyed#this can either lead to bruce being a good or bad dad
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Somebody tell me if this is a bad take, or if my love for Bruce is causing my objective brain to glitch, but-- something about advertising Batman, a hero who's very popular for being good with children, for being NURTURING with children, a bad father kinda defeats the whole purpose of what he's supposed to represent.
Batman is a protector; He protects people the world (and especially law enforcement) does not care about. That's literally the point of him.
Something about marketing " you can be incredibly violent to people you care about! And Its fine, because you care about them even if you abuse them, and that's what matters!" towards people, but especially men and young boys, is REALLY fucked up to me.
#it's not really 'wahhh think of the children' because the media you consume isn't a vessel of your character#but. gotham war is so incredibly shallow to me for pulling the 'no no its another personality bruce would never!' like. thats worse.#you get thats worse right?#because 1) dc loves demoninsing DID for some reason but it doesn’t add any substantial weight because bruce will be associated with#the actions of his 'alter' anyway. and dc knew that. 2) if you truly cannot write an interesting comic book where bruce is not abusive#and the batkids aren't being abused. you failed.#this isn't a reprouch or an attack to people who prefer that format. but the creator isn't doing it as genuine exploration of dark tropes#if that's the case -- dont cop out with the personality thing. let him be a bad dad. but its kinda fucked how dc STILL try to paint him#as a good person while doing so. its the collen hoover effect. 'we know the guy is an abuser. thats not the problem. the problem#is that the author wants us to pretend thats a good thing.'#bruce wayne#dc comics#dc#batman#text post#dc critical
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Red Hood has absolutely publicly robbed Bruce Wayne and nothing can change my mind.
#bruce wayne#batman#jason todd#red hood#batfam#dc comics#dc#my post#“you could just ask for an allowance.” “fuck no.”#i like to think he didn't use a gun because he knows Bruce has trauma about being robbed at gun point#but like if he DID wow the angst#he would realize he fucked up and it would force them to talk about their feelings and shit#a joke on dad turns really bad but leaves them closer or something#or the funny version of this prompt where jason robs Bruce every time he needs cash
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i love the idea that the al Ghul genes are so strong, they all mostly see one another when they look at each other.
Rūh thinks Damian looks a lot like Ra’s when he was a kid.
Ra’s thinks Damian looks like Talia, and Talia looks like Rūh.
Talia thinks Damian looks like Ra’s.
Damian thinks Ra’s looks like Rūh.
They all have the same green eyes.
#occasionally talia will say damian looks like bruce#but he denies it#not because bruce is bad looking but because being told you look like your dad is insulting#for no real reason#damian al ghul#talia al ghul#headcanon#rūh al ghul#ruh al ghul#ra’s al ghul#silly
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The Young Justice animated show really made Batman "not the step dad, but the dad that stepped up", especially for Kon.
Like, not only does he go out with Clark to lecture him about being a good father figure to Kon after they found him, but in the comics, in the first issue, Kon spends all day waiting for Clark to check on him, clearly expecting some kind of father-son dynamic, only for Bruce to send child support so he can buy himself clothes and pay Wally's parents for the expenses during his stay with them.
He just met the kid and he has set up a trust fund for him. In this show, he probably has a trust fund for all the team's members. If anyone of them want to go to college, Batman is paying.
#bruce wayne#batman#kon el kent#young justice#dc comics#my ramblings#my favorite writing of Bruce is this “always a father” one#it's about a child well-being mental or physical? Batman has a lecture for you#THREE TIMES I have seen him being portrayed talking to Clark about the responsibilities of fatherhood/being a father figure#again it's ooc to make him a bad father the man cares about education so much he will lecture his best friend about it#dick must be like “alright guys remember he was my dad first so STAY AWAY.”#“I love you guys you're like my family but this is MY dad not yours”
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"Why would you do all of this for me even after all i did to you?!"
"Because i love you, the you that it's really behind all of it, the you that you fight not to show to the world but that i've seen before anyway"
Is such a raw line that i asure you, if it's present in a fic, not necessary letter by letter, but in sentiment, then that's a good fucking fic
Wheter platonic or romantic
#Yes i'm talking about Jason sometimes i wish i was still Dead Todd Wayne and his dad Bruce i don't recognize myself after losing you Wayne#also Goro i dont regret shit but i wish it had been different Akechi and Akira you being well is my greatest wish in this life Kurusu#also Phoenix i took law as a major after art for a chance of seeing you again Wright and Miles i literally almost get you killed Edgeworth#and ofc Bad i gave both my soul and body to the devil to have you back while doing a massacre and Skeppy I did the same for you Pvp#so im taggin them all :D#batfamily#batman#good dad bruce wayne#bruce wayne#jason todd#red hood#goro akechi#akechi x ren#ren amimaya#akechi x akira#akira kusuru#shuake#this is them at their core#akeshu#joker x akechi#phoenix wright#mr pull a legally blonde and worked#miles edgeworth#badboyhalo#and his little care of himself when it comes to get back his loved ones#skeppy#who did the same pull AND double it down pretty mucH
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I need people to realize how horrible 'stalking/constant surveillance/breaking into each other's homes is how the Batfamily show love' is. Like i really need someone to just acknowledge how horrific saying this bullshit is.
Like even fics where they're shown as happy and healthy and with good ties, you've always got this thing where none of them have privacy or any boundaries with each other. Which is directly antithetical to actually having good relationships. And this invasion via hacking and stalking and breaking into homes is portrayed as a positive, good thing; it's just how they show love and care to each other, after all. But for some reason I just personally don't find stalking, lack of privacy or boundaries, and emotional manipulation funny, endearing, or healthy, and just end up disgusted at the attempt to sweep it all under the rug.
#my dc posting#dc#batman#batfamily#jason todd#barbara gordon#bruce wayne#dick grayson#tim drake#damian wayne#listen i can only take so much of it before i just breakdown okay#apparently controversial opinion but a family where its normal to vreak into each others homes and manipulate each other and stalk and#invade boundaries and autonomy and privacy can NOT be healthy#no matter how much you try to dress it up all cute w 'this is just how they are' 'its how they show their love' its never not gonna be#unhealthy and bad and toxic#like yeah they do do that. they are like that. either acknowledge it or stop trying to justify it#god this actually irks me so much#i try to idk. suspend my disblief but theres only so much i can actuallt fucking take before just#its just. im trying to read happy fluffy fics. but i cant be comforted by a family that normalizes breaking boundaries n invading privacy#and its specifically that the author aleays disregards it. instead of fixing it or making it better they opt to keep it and come up w excuse#s for it#and thats what actually triggers me#'i broke into ur house cus if i asked if i could come over ud say no' is actuallt fucking horrifying stop trying to make it seem loving???#im writing this while having a panic attack dont mind me 👍#but its like. if you can write the batfam w/o bruce hitting his kids or any other horrific thing that they do#then why must you keep the boundary&privacy breaking? why cant anyone even seemingly try to write a batfam#where theyve worked their issues abt this out best they can n have healthy established boundaries w each other??#like if u can write them all hanging out together 24/7 n bruce being s good dad why is this one simple thing the One Thing#nobody even tries to address properly???#'aw dick broke into jason's saehouse bc he wanted to hangout but jason would say no if he asked' aw. maybe dick should learn 'no means no'
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Batman - One Bad Day: Mr Freeze (2022) | Art: Matteo Scalera, Color: Dave Stewart
[ID: A comic panel of Bruce, Alfred, Dick, and Ace at the manor in front of a fireplace. Bruce is in purple pajamas, sitting in a green armchair and holding a cup of cocoa. There’s a bandage over his eyebrow but he’s smiling down at Dick and Ace, both on the rug at his feet. Ace has a bone in his mouth and Dick is lying down, grinning at Ace. Alfred stands beside them holding a tray with scissors and bandages. End ID]
#Bruce Wayne#Dick Grayson#Alfred Pennyworth#Ace the bathound#Bruce being a dad#DC comics#One Bad Day: Mr Freeze#Matteo Scalera
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I feel like, if Jason was ever de-aged, Bruce wouldn't leave his side and be the best dad ever for him (he sees it as a second chance)
#jason todd#batfam#bruce wayne#dick grayson#the batkids would definitely be jealous#tf you mean Bruce can be a good dad?!#bruce: of course we can spend time together son😊🥰#dick: see that's why i hated to visit back then#tim: I think I never saw bruce smiling like that when I was Robin#Damian: tt#also Damian: does father even love me? *identity crisis*#Barbara: yeah seems about right#alfred being Jason's favorite makes bruce jealous#Bruce: Heeeeeey Alfie. Wanna visit Great Britain? You know you deserve it#alfred: only if master todd comes with me#bruce: fuuu#jason: vacation? in Great Britain? Isn't it too expensive?#Bruce: I'll buy you anything you want even if it makes me poor because its gonna be worth it to see you smile#that's how Jason alfred and bruce went to london without the others#when jason is older again he wonders how it is possible that he has those memories of being young but having more siblings#bruce: idk what you mean? it was always just you and dick back then.#jason: then how come i have a memory where damian tries to kill because Alfred the cat slept in my room instead of his?!#bruce: idk bad dream?#meanwhile Alfred shows everyone the cute pictures he took of jason in London#duke is baby jays favorite
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actually so evil how much of hal's internal world gets obliterated with the rewriting of his relationships with jessica and martin.
#hal jordan#empyrean posting#ok going in the tags because im not actually v confident in my understanding of his character. i read all of his 80s/90s stuff but forgot#90% of it but ANYWAY.#so much of him just does not make sense with how geoff johns characterises him and his relationships with his parents particularly the#parallax stuff simply because of how much his relationship with the guardians and their apathy/'betrayal' is influenced by hal's original#relationship with his dad. like at its heart it's pretty much the same dynamic in how hal blindly trusts and sort of idolises the guardians#despite their repeated infractions in hope of... something in return just as he had with his father and the abuse he suffered at martin's#hands. that's what makes his anger at the guardians make sense when it does show itself because the relationship parallel didn't stop there.#as with martin hal gets nothing for his devotion. he gets nothing for doing everything that's asked of him and more and it ends the same way#too: with a man in the sky burning like a newborn star. and you lose so much of that nuance and intrigue behind that if you just make#jessica the 'bad one' because!!! you cheapen it!!!!#the whole idea of hal is that he has his father's face but his mother's scars#(to me). in the sense that they both reacted to martin the same way with that cognisance of who he was as a man yet inability to pull away#because... love. both the love they had for him and the conviction that he did or could love them too. and jessica arguably did eventually#but also she didnt did she? because she held onto that notion of love till the very end. the few scraps she had she ballooned outwards until#they became the whole. but hal didnt have even that and he spent his whole life chasing it & running away from wanting it at the same time#like i think there's something so interesting to the fact that he had to be convinced that flying was what he wanted to do. how much of that#was touched by his father? the fear that he was already too much like him than he could bear to be? he already had his face now he had his#dreams and longing for the sky. how much more could he have before he began repeating the cycle?#and at the end he even had his father's death. burning in the clouds. like there's so much there and that's not even touching on how it#impacts his relationships with other heroes. not just in the sense of why did kyle clark and diana get to keep their close yet complex#relationships with their moms when hal had to lose his (although yeah why did they) but also just how he lets himself come across to them.#because it's on purpose right? that he lets them think his reflection of his father is born out of unadulterated love for a man worthy of it#? he has his father's job he wears his father's jacket he smiles his father's smile. what else are they supposed to think.#and isnt that interesting!!! that this man who is so committed to being good & just can lie so casually to people he thinks of as friends!!!#can you see how that might be his mother through and through!!! in how she might have glossed over the abuse to other people and herself!!!#can you see how in spite of it all he might want to be perceived as his father that paragon of masculinity and resent that he is not!!!#do you understand how everything he loves has been poisoned!!! im thinking of that scene where he tells bruce about watching martin die &#wouldnt it have been so much more interesting through this lens. how he is both revealing & obfuscating at once. i hate the change sm
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but oh hey if we’re talking about fic tropes that annoy us and feel genuinely out of character, that one “character finds out Jason is alive (pre red hood) and doesnt tell Bruce” is mine.
#its weird im sorry#its a very specific trope with a very specific format but its soooo fucking weird#you can dislike bruce sure whatever keep going but newly resurrected Jason climbed out his grave calling for him#he got hit by a car and went catatonic and still kept saying bruces name#bruce being a bad dad TO JASON is a post red hood thing even if you WANT to keep it#(which i dont. in general. tbc)#keeping Jason from bruce and bruce from jason is cruel and needless#i dont care if people write it!!! i dont like it
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Man as much as Jason Todd reuniting with his family and learning that Bruce still loves him and that he’s still a welcomed member of the family is good and delicious and all that, I feel like it’s unrealistic? And this isn’t to say that I hate it and that I never want people to write it. Those kinds of stories are so good! Stories about how love is unconditional and that your sins do not matter because love is enough to overcome it.
I just think there should be, you know. More exploration about the opposite. Conditional love. Love that was once there that is now long gone. The hearth of love and affection has burnt out to leave only ash, with not one small chunk of charred wood left to try and rekindle it left behind.
Where there was a father and son would do anything for each other and in the aftermath of the most heart wrenching tragedy both are far too different to even greet the other with genuine warmth.
Jason is not a prodigal son because he is not remorseful about what he’s done. Bruce is not the father of the prodigal son because he has not given his son everything he asked for. Bruce is not waiting for his son to come back with open arms. His arms are crossed and his face is stone. He asks his returned son if he will repent and pay for his sins, and his son bares his teeth in response to ask if his sins outweigh his father’s failures.
Jason asks if Bruce will accept him for who he is, and Bruce tells him that he will accept him only if he can change himself into something he can agree with.
Jason and Bruce are fundamental opposites when it comes to the question, “can murder be justified?” Bruce’s answer of no and Jason’s answer of yes form the very structure of their moral code. Neither of them will budge from their answer, and how dare the other ask for them to make such a change?
And lets not ignore the fact that both of them had come at the other with the intent to maim. To break. To kill, in some scenarios. Those beatings and maimings and murder attempts are not something that can be ignored. That can be brushed aside with a simple “I love you.”
Bruce cannot trust Jason, will not trust Jason. He will not put even the barest amount of faith in his own son to just trust him. He always assumes that Jason will always be a murderer. A killer. Someone who couldn’t be trusted because Bruce could not put aside his own bias of his son, despite the fact that Jason always followed his orders the best he could. That he never wanted to betray his father once he got that small scrap of trust that broke easier than angel’s hair.
Batman views Jason as one of his biggest mistakes. His biggest failure. Someone he regretted taking in. And how can your love be unconditional to someone you deem to be your biggest regret?
Stories of unconditional can be so good. A balm to soothe and comfort. But stories of conditional love. Of love that has long since died off to never be revived are just as potent. Just as wanted and needed.
Sometimes, the son must realize that his father does not want him as he is, and he must leave to find his own place independent of his father.
Also like. Do you guys every think about how Jason was with Bruce for like. About three years, give or take a couple months? Three years as his son, and like four years estranged from him, if him being 19 is accurate.
#jason todd#red hood#bruce wayne#batman#like the timeline is funky as HELL. his six months of being dead really kicks it up#and the coma.#so really it’s 3 years his son and three years estranged? i guess?#anyways I need to see more ‘Bruce is no longer Jason’s father’#Bruce can still be a good dad but also a bad one to Jason specifically#conditional love and all that you know how it is.#shut up kage
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AND there are canons where Bruce is perfectly well-adjusted, has hobbies, hangs out with his friends, loves his family, and is a perfectly normal, sweet guy other than the whole "billionaire and Batman" thing. But Alfred gets all the blame and none of the credit with you "Alfred was a bad parent" people.
But??? I never said?? Alfred was bad???
#being an unprepared parent doesn't mean bad parent#alfred was not prepared to deal with a traumatized child. 'good' parents would have issues dealing with a traumatized child#and let me just get this out of the way; there's a very big difference between turning out 'good' and turning out mechanically functional#bruce can never truly be a 'stable' model member of society and thats outside of everyone's power! alfred didn't worsen anything#and the things you describe are spoken for for any well written bruce who's not a fictional puppet for a man to jerk off on abuse#and macho ism#guess what -- a lot of traumatized folks lead happy lives as well. and a lot of people with stable upbringing with ' healthy parents'#can experience social hardship as well. the post i think you're referring to (which was one: already disqualified alfred as a bad parent)#and two: was a joke that even a tweleve year old could comprehend - wasn't calling him a bad dad. he was a dad who didn't know what to do#at the time. if you can't tell those two apart thats your issue mama
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