#breadavota

[tothepointofinsanity]

[Polish Translator Needed!]

Due to the previous translators offering not responding, we are making a second post calling for the assistance of an English to Polish translator to translate a short excerpt (~180 words) for an interactive webcomic project. As it is based on a historical fictional book, the written translation should also reflect a more academic/formal tone.

The excerpt itself is SFW (a history article about arts in a fictional culture) but the larger story it is for is aimed for adult audiences due to sensitive/horror themes, so please only reach out if you are an adult. You can reach me through direct message (DM) on Tumblr here.

At the moment there is no means to send international payments so as compensation you will receive an illustration of your desired character as a token of thanks. You will also be credited on the webcomic's website (unless anonymity is preferred).

[Even if you cannot help, reblogging or sharing for reach would be greatly appreciated. 🙇‍♂️]

Here are some sample illustrations:

Please consider lending your assistance so that the funny old men yaoi visual novel that features my guest art will be subsequently re-uploaded.

[frankiistein]

jacques essay in a1-2 where he implies passryne has the traditional culture where mental health issues r seen as "its all in ur head" and ppls feelings are trivialized and u should just suck it up and that is what spurs him to leave for maldevara where ppl supposedly "care" abt ur feelings only for him to find out ppl have just as arbitrary moral assignments 2 emotions is a rly interesting form of social commentary to me imo

maldevara is clearly a vaguely utopian post-scarcity society meant to be juxtaposed w/ "backwards" places not under marginalian rule when in reality it retains much of the punitive carceral thinking of the "traditional" places, and its a fascinating criticism of how a lot of self-identified leftists act where gesturing to equality and progress is done to mask what is still at the core the basic philosophy of "u must tell me who r the good guys and the bad guys society will be good if we could just get rid of the bad guys"

the judges not being "punished" in the court but instead being bored to death and made to go through annotations (which "dont kill you" btw! they just, u know, make u wanna die!) alongside the way maldevaran society is structured so that being a judge automatically gets u a diagnosis for a mental illness in a world where "disability is eradicated" displays the same mentality w/ ppl who pick a target to hate on and go "btw guys dont harass them i dont support being bigoted against them or sending death threats!" when its obvious the intention is to have the person silently ousted from their support systems and left 2 fend 4 themselves

the whole thing w/ the judges being treated as a way of scaring ppl into aligning w/ society is like when ppl say u should advocate 4 the disabled bcuz "what if someday YOU become disabled" instead of bcuz the ppl who r already disabled r actual ppl 2, and they r literally right there

like maldevarans pay lip service to ppl "developing" themselves but the way their culture is structured is that they dont want the "mentally ill" to get better. they just want them 2 be sick somewhere where they dont have 2 see

[voidfeather]

had some free time and drew a brëad

[clingyduomoved]

ig anon from before here, i was just curious because of ur icon and blog name, i was just surprised to see others who read breadavota too since its not that popular yet :D (sorry if asking on anon is weird i dont rly use tumblr im usually only on insta and the breadavota discord server lol)

It's fine!! And lately I've been obsessed w it even without instagram so I just decided to change everything 2 it

[tothepointofinsanity]

Hello. If anyone who follows this blog is Polish and would be willing to translate a short (~180 worded) excerpt from English to Polish for an ongoing story called BreadAVOTA, I hope you will reach out and message me. As the excerpt that has to be translated is from a historical fictional book, the desired translation thus needs to have a formal/academic tone.

[Please note that while BreadAVOTA is SFW as a whole, the comic is primarily aimed for an adult audience due to certain sensitive and horror themes, and so it is preferable that you would reach out only if you are an adult, thank you.]

Aside from being credited on the comic’s website for the translation work (unless you wish to remain anonymous), you will also receive a drawing of however you want from the author as compensation if you are interested in it. Below is one example of a drawing. 🙇‍♂️🙇‍♂️

[tothepointofinsanity]

As the first Real descended manifestation of a second-world Marginal (non-debatable), I am legally obliged to encourage the reading of Bread and All Variations of the Aforementioned. This is webcomic is hosted with its own website. It is Very Popular, so I am not surprised if you are already following it. If you aren’t, you are missing out in the trend of engaging with cogitohazards, which will ultimately reflect in the limitations of your comprehension.

Aside from being introduced as a sentient doll at the end of the world, it also features important elements like Love and other profound aspects of being schizoid in a society that is a cross of both fantasy and technological magic.

If you like seeing fancy art in general, this is also one that would stick to you.

[tothepointofinsanity]

Illustrations I did for my dear companion’s Valentine’s Day visual novel game as a guest artist. Really enjoyed drawing these. Happy L*veless Day to Me/Ja.

[frankiistein]

the main body of breadavota.cafe is autistic and the navigation panel is schizophrenic. do u see my vision

[tothepointofinsanity]

Doodling the communal blorbo [for the first time ever finally] from memory. Can’t believe Jacques invented Valentine’s Day btw.

[frankiistein]

now that breadavota is back heres my long analysis of jacques and how his literally-dead-dollkin identity and monsterfucking relates to his being schizoid and stuffs

theres alot of neat stuff in the new "further reading" panel tho i like the reveal that jacques sent media alot of blank letters when he was younger bcuz he couldnt see

the "blank" letter in the website actually have invisible text tho and its in passrynian (which accdg to the wiki is just intentionally shitty french with different pronouns)

google translated:

Hello, Mr. Media. I can't read or write, so I'm devoid of this letter. You are said to be a medium, so read your feelings. It is difficult to express, so I have studied English for you. Please accept my transmission.

the pronouns makes it weird but i think its intention to be read my feelings and nor your feelings, based on the fact that jacques calls media a medium? like i think he expects media to be able to "read" his letters even if their blank bcuz medias psychic powers

idk if im right but this is what i thought of after thinking abt how its said in the story that media can "read" peoples thoughts except for jacques and that media seems neurotic thinking if he "really" knew how jacques thinks the novelty of their relationship would fade away and (supposedly) media would get sick/bored of jacques

but also. tbt to this one specific line from their first meeting in an archetype of a person from universes before

its kind of a throwaway line but in context of other parts of the comic where we see jacques getting frustrated that media cant understand his logic but that he never rly explains himself coherently (a1-3 and like a duck which not posted yet on the website especially show this) i think it has a deeper meaning

so like u kno how jacques obviously has his monsterfucking kink and how hes constantly disappointed that medias not a "real" monster to him

theres a physical part involved in his attraction no doubt abt it but considering that jacques cant even see what the "scary" monsters look like and also how in like a duck its explicitly stated part of his admiration for media is media as a non-living being is immune to living problems like petty emotions or flawed logic (things that jacques supposedly dislikes about himself? or at least that cause his social struggles)

altho the more obvious part of his paraphilia is the monsterfucking theres a wide scope of things he seems attached to and the things they all have in common is theyre the "opposite" of how the living are legally defined

- he has a thing for the dead and for inanimate objects

- he dislikes objects that become sentient

- the traits he fantasizes about media are specifically a lack of morals, a lack of emotion and ai computer logic

- and most of all his resistance for love and criticism for love as a legal concept in their society

ok so I HAVE A POINT HERE OK but first we also get this new excerpt of an essay jacques writes for the court

I wasn't quite angry, not on any meaningful level, over the prospect of people putting a sense of "value" and projecting a notion of "love" on something about myself that I had reserved neither for, from my inability to perceive it. I was angry that people had decided of their own accord that this was what I was angry about in the first place.

jacques spent his life before moving to the court having his feelings constantly assumed (implied to be for ableist reasons) and it rly makes it clearer why in present day he gets triggered so easily abt media trying to get him to explain himself, bcuz even tho jacques is aware his own sense of logic and emotion is twisted and abnormal he thinks trying to get people to understand it is frustrating and useless, because its never worked before

he thinks the living are so used to their culture being the "reality" of things and so the living can never understand him, so he both finds comfort in and sees his own self/identity in the terms of the "non-living" (whether the dead, the inanimate or the immortal) as theyre all things that

- cant feel anything at all

- cant have their feelings misunderstood by others on account of having no feelings

ALRIGHT SO BACK TO THE LETTER AND THE LINE IN AN ARCHETYPE

jacques is obviously disillusioned w/ media but the emphasis on media just "looking like a human" feels like jacques trying to dismiss the depth of his feelings on the matter

i think jacques initial "crush" on media wasnt just bcuz media was a scary hot monster but specifically that he was a medium

his first letter to media points out medias reputation as a psychic instead of media being a marginal/monster/other species and since media and jacques talked multiple times over the phone before they met irl jacques had alot of opportunities to pry for medias physical form but he never asked until they met irl in the first time

imo jacques pointing out that he believed media would be able to understand him instead of just judging him (like everyone else does) was bcuz jacques was obsessed with this fantasy that media was someone/something who could not only understand him but would be able to understand him w/o jacques needing to do anything to make himself understood

and idk if jacques knows hes the only exception to medias mindreading but if he does that must make him feel worse. like if media wasnt psychic all along it would be bad enough but if jacques is the exception it emphasizes his isolation further

like idk i do think jacques genuinely feels a sense of attachment/connection to media but that the relationship they can have irl will always have the issues that "fantasy media" doesnt. jacques initial attraction to media was completely a parasocial relationship to an enigmatic other species and now that theyre together "for real" he hates the reality that real life media is Just Some Guy who is actively trying to be even more of a Just Some Guy bcuz what he wanted from media was never a real "living" relationship but the fantasy relationship of being effortlessly understood by somebody with no "real" needs or expectations

[frankiistein]

i respect jacques as conceptually as the "it may be cringe but at least im free" self indulgent oc whose clearly there less for plot relevance and more as the authors pet but all the "random" parts of his character feed into each other so well that it rly makes his character one of the most fleshed out in the story

[frankiistein]

breadavota flavored francophobia we are so back

[frankiistein]

the mystery of whether emfoi is pronounced emfwah or emfoye overtaken by the fact jacques is apparently pronounced dyakz

[frankiistein]

which is the better webcomic to you homestuck or breadavota?

i mean im like the one man fandom of bread but hs has the advantage (or disadvantage) of being finished, breadavota still has the potential to majorly fuck itself up the way hs did after act 3

imma try 2 break my opinion down in detail

characters:

ok so i will say that hs characters r based on american subcultures and im not american so theres probably some emotional appeal 2 its mostly american audience that i dont relate 2, so i think most of its audience will find them more relatable or deep than i do

anyway i think breadavotas characters r generally more well-developed but hs wins by diversity, even tho admittedly the majority of the hs cast r one-off characters made as jokes (looking at u dancestors)

i said this in a previous post but rpp mostly writes just One Type Of Guy: vaguely schizophrenic assholes

but w/e jacques and bien r fucking winning at being vaguely schizophrenic assholes and u gotta respect jacques for being a character with an actual schizoid personality disorder diagnosis instead of just "coded mentally ill"

johns more interesting than bread is so far tho

worldbuilding:

with hs i think the worldbuilding that rly fleshed out the hs universe didnt rly happen in hs but happens in the other stuff (friendsims, hiveswap, etc) so idk if that counts

hs definitely does portraying alternias culture in a way that promotes the transformative/interactive nature its aiming at: its easy to imagine making ur own trollsona/oc bcuz u can imagine alternia as a place

maldevara is barely a "place" and is more like. a state of being. or a vibe. like there r bits and pieces of its physical culture but most of what we know about it is the sociopolitical philosophy of the maldevarans

idk what the word for it is, ig hs is a more "fun" story and breadavota while not exactly a "serious" story just feels more.... "thinky" and philosophical, its engaging as a thought exercise but isnt the most appealing as a "story" per se

weird-ass aliens:

i like the marginals better but they rly do appeal to a very particular niche ig. the trolls undeniably have better appeal and relatability

the thing with the marginals is that the "depth" of their character building doesnt have as strong as an impact unless u relate 2 the specific Mental Illnesss Experience they embody

both of them have the "4 some reason this super foreign alien species essentially just look like humans bcuz of obvious author appeal" but ig breadavota kinda gets away w/ that bcuz the marginals r more-or-less implied to be part human..... or smthng (at least media is)

the hemosystem of the trolls gives it an edge in diversity (all the marginals on the other hand just seem vaguely The Same Guy and even if it makes sense narratively 4 them 2 be like that it still makes it feel like theres no point in caring about anybody that isnt The Marginal Trademark Symbol Media) altho i do hate how the hemosystem eventually turned the first 12 trolls into archetypes that every other troll was an expy of so idk

"game" mechanics:

both hs and breadavota use the videogamey mechanics for their magic/reality systems so its worth comparing

hs has better mechanics imo but abandoned them halfway thru the story and sburb was kinda forgotten by act 6, which is a shame bcuz u can rly see how hussie used that computer science knowledge and translated it to the hs world mechanics

breadavotas mechanics r harder to grasp and feel less "logical" imo but if the story actually keeps up their relevance it might be easier 2 get used 2 over time

time travel shenanigans:

hs was rly good at handling its time travel shenanigans ill give hussie a point for that one

breadavota has some leniency again bcuz the story isnt that far into it yet but theres not enough "altline" stuff and tbh idk how rpp plans on handling the whole "it isnt real/its all just a dream" trope implied with the alternate timeline doomed to undo itself in a way that doesnt make u think "well what the fuck was the point of all of that then"

visuals:

would u believe me if i said homestuck. lmfao

rpp is a good artist and a good writer but its clear to me that they were never a comic artist before and has trouble portraying a story with pictures

idk how 2 explain it exactly but i think the thing is rpp as an artist draws very "literally" and the way they write is veryyyy abstract, and this is rly most evident in the prose stories that completely lack visuals. rpp has always relied alot on narration (and all the prose stories are either majority narration or even just narration), and they cant do that with the comics bcuz the comics need dialogue

hs mostly has simple visuals but the dialogue format makes it so they feel more integrated

also the hs flashes are just masterworks imo

ofc as a diehard breadavota stannie ill defend breadavota as being a mostly one-person endeavor made by a chronically ill person and the hs flashes had multiple artists so yeah

hussie has always been an artist and hs isnt their first work so they had a lot of experience under their belt. i do respect breadavota for what it is considering its the first thing rpp has ever made

music:

homestuck wins bro it has toby fox. ig breadavota doesnt "need" a musician but rpp obviously likes putting music in the story so it would be a bonus

(i know rpp made like one instrumental song which wasnt a bad song but they obviously r not a musician)

pacing:

they both fucking suck but hs got away with it better

hs dragged itself out way 2 long only to rush itself near the end but hussie updating astronomically fast when it was running made the slowness feel negligible

breadavotas pacing could use a lot of slowing down if ur an archive reader but bcuz it takes like one update every million years to progress it feels excruciatingly slow. like in the four years the story has existed its only been two days in the comic

tbh i think breadavota updates fast enough for a webcomic, at least it feels on par w/ other webcomic updates. most regular webcomics done by single artists updates one page a week so all things considered breadavota has a good amount of content especially considering that rpp doesnt have as much time as ppl whose job it is is to draw their comics

hussie was just exceptionally fast even when considering that its bcuz hs has overall less visuals and recycled sprites

at the very least the new website fixed the most annoying issue the old website for bread had where having every minor update in between the major ones was distracting

conclusion:

tbh i think hs has a lot of mass appeal and rly strikes being so weird and unique w/o being as "off putting" and even tho hussie kinda fumbled the bag over the years the popularity hs has feels well-deserved

im biased 2 breadavota but i can say it does feel very inclined towards a specific type of audience bcuz the entire story is structured around a specific type of experience. like its a very "alienated 4 being mentally ill" story but w/o the usual "but we find found family and community in fellow alienated ppl" that u would usually expect/want in this type of story and like its intentional bcuz the story is about that but i understand it makes it hard 4 most ppl to latch on to

the pop culture references of hs and diversity of character "tropes" can make it broadly relatable and while i dont think u need to "relate" to characters or stories 2 find value in them i think the thing is if u dont exactly see where breadavota is coming from the "point" of it doesnt rly hit

i think what i like abt breadavota is that it portrays certain experiences that nothing else ive seen rly does, but its a rly "thinky" sort of comic that makes it less "fun" as just a story (even if it does still work as a story) for ppl who dont care for or see what its getting at

also since breadavota rly appeals to a specific person on top of already being obscure it means practically everyone engaged w/ the comic interprets it a similar way. i think what made hs get as big as it did was that people werent just engaged with hs alone, they engaged w/ the fandom and saw alot of different theories and analysis

hussie and rpp have both always been "weird" and that reflects in their story but their "brand" of weirdness uhhh reflects in their story. for how polarized hussie is in the fandom ultimately theyve always been more for interactivity: hs started as reader-led, they already had an audience and connections from being an artist for a long time and hussie clearly has a broad collection of interests and inspirations to draw from which makes hs feel "well rounded" and the recognition of inspirations a bonus to some

rpp is an insular person even among the ppl they know, they dont talk 2 ppl, they dont read books, they dont play games, they dont watch tv, etc. homestuck is an inspiration for breadavota not just bcuz "rpp rly likes homestuck" but bcuz they dont rly know a lot of stories to use as an inspiration and their overall reclusiveness makes their character writing feel particular in a way that can be offputting 2 other ppl bcuz first of all they dont know how normal ppl act and secondly since rpp is a "clasically" intelligent person they seem unable to write characters who arent all somewhat intellectual. bien is an "idiot" but lbr... he is not an idiot lmfaooooo. the "thinky"-ness that permeates everything they make can make the story intimidating and it has high expectations for the overall "intelligence" of its audience. and like thats not a bad thing, 2 many stories treat their readers like idiots, but it does make it a story that feels very all or nothing. u either gotta be autistic abt it or u dgaf

breadavota sorta has no choice but 2 draw from author experience bcuz rpp doesnt rly have the means to draw it from anything else. they dont know pop culture, they arent part of communities and they dont engage in fandoms, and that makes breadavota as a story have an interesting and candid perspective that does make it stand out even among other self identified MSPFA type stories but it also makes it both broadly unrelatable and inevitably tinged with the Schizoisms in a way homestuck for all its "craziness" was never so hardcore abt

[frankiistein]

i sometimes forget the alternate timeline where media constantly beats tf out of jacques is basically an au bien wrote and in that context u can kinda guess how he sees both of them

like media being almost uncharacteristically evil and abusive makes sense considering bien only knows media from mistreating bon (and also from media throwing him into the fucking ocean as a kid lmfao)

its jacques being rewritten to be Like That in the alt timeline thats harder to sus out the reason 4

[tothepointofinsanity]

i love your art style! i saw some of your fan art for breadavota on the comic website i was wondering if you can post them here so i could see them in hd since the fc2 ver is compressed? also would be cool to see more (if you ever do so) since nobody else reads this comic lmfao.

— gui (og breadposter)

(Lady Dimitrescu voice) So we finally meet./lh

Thank you for the kind words 🙇‍♀️. Sure, I'll gladly post them here. I think I had some more traditional/paper doodles of Scarecrow and Brëad as well, but I could not find the original images of them u_u" [Tumblr also likes to compress images, so clicking into them should be fine. Hopefully. These drawings are also...dated.]

I want to eventually draw more Mirasol (she is my wife I do not take criticism, we are happily married and away from cosmic ink nonsense) and Scarecrow fanart since those two are the most characters in the series ever. Huge fan of the rpp characters in general, and this is such a niche little comic that I often think about but do not possess nearly enough Löre braincells to participate discussions in, so I mostly watch from the sidelines.

I believe I know only like...two other people who even read this.