#bloodborne family tree

[fantomette22]

Cainhurst & Pthumeru family tree (headcanons)

Alright there it is ! @heraldofcrow @8km-2

While I was trying to do one for Cainhurst, I got inspired and ended doing one for Pthumeru and the pthumerians' line as well...

Well the numbers refers more to generations/ when the differents labyrinths were made than actual people. I skipped a few generations too I can't managed to detail it too much with individuals x) So I might use it as a timeline as well.

(yeah thanks to elden ring for me a "shadow" is now a bodyguard in bloodborne too. And the shadow of Yharnam here are either her siblings or close relatives)

Now Cainhurst!

Yes it's a mess too and there's even connections where I am indecisive about (the smaller doted lines) I don't know winch one too choose but feel it's not really urgent too. And idk where to put Arianna... but I have a couple ideas so idk. There's a few ocs I didn't put as well but for now it's not really important.

This one is essentially for my main fic. Because alternatively in some other AUs, I wouldn't be surprised if Annalise, Maria and half of the persons on the paintings are all siblings XD + the lil 10mins idea AU where Gehrman is maria's dad (completely separated universe from this one) I guess it's dear Lady Evelyn that would be the mom x).

Also in my headcanon the symbol of Cainhurst represent the two "beasts" or "shadows" that protected Cain's line (akin to a beast possess soul). And I hc that the first keepers of the old lords/pyromancers that decided to protected the pthumerians royals instead of the gods turned into the first beast possess soul. Then after a while pyromancers managed to stop turning into beats, at least for most of them.

(I just remember this post too that’s why i put loran/pthumeru who separated first)

[blood--king]

Bloodborne Family Tree

Part I — Part II — Part III — Part IV — Part V — Part VI

We have finally arrived at the last branch of the main Bloodborne tree, and as crazy as it looks, it is true, Vlad had offspring, but it didn't turned out well (obviously). Vlad was a man who loved many things, from the most complicated schemes to the simplest instincts, like sex. Vlad's favorite activity is one founded by himself and established during his reign, the Blood Orgies. These activities where typical of wealthy vampires, rich enough to buy humans, having sex with them and then eating them all. Humans were very expensive in the kingdom, so much that renting them was more common for the middle class vampires, therefore they wouldn't kill them, just use them for any purpose that didn't violate the terms of the owner. For a vampire to buy a bunch of humans And killing them, that was a True sign of wealth.

Vlad took this activity to another level, he had a special hall in his castle, with a huge swimming pool of blood, he had the orgies there and he hated being interrupted (and sometimes he even ate other vampires there). But one day he decided to try something different, a vampire prostitute, one that he wouldn't eat alive. Why, you ask? Just for the fun of trying something different. Because of this encounter, the woman got pregnant, and after the baby was born she abandoned him, she didn't want to have anything to do with Vlad.

This bastard son grew to be the greatest soldier of the kingdom, stronger than Dark the Duke of War. Vlad quickly recognized not only his talent, but his own flesh and blood. The vampires can recognize their blood relatives just by looking at them, they can sense the blood connection. Vlad became closer to him, and thus the people in the kingdom started to suspect he was indeed Vlad's son, that's why they called him Vick the Bastard Bloodborne.

Eventually, Vick got bored and tired of his own culture, he didn't like any of it, he grew up alone and poor, his wealth came from his hard work and accomplishments even if he was a nobody, and now being "Somebody" didn't matter either. That's why he left the kingdom, never to come back.

[slightlydeadghost]

Redraw of the family tree I posted and the backstory of them

Katherine Fled Cainhurst after her Brother Luther was knighted, the culmination of a bitter rivalry lasting their entire childhood it inadvertently lead to her discovering the truth of the castle and why they were so fiercely protective of the bloodline, she then made her way to a town meeting Emit a local blacksmith and falling in love eventually marrying him, she felt she was finally free of the ridged tradition she had lived under for so long.

Katherine became a seamstress enjoying working alongside her husband but when she was pregnant with Annette her brother found and cornered her with orders to either bring her back to Cainhurst or kill her if she refused. upon finding she had built a life for herself and was going to have a child he couldn't go through with it so he decided to take a lock of her hair back after an emotional farewell and on his return to the castle told them he had had to kill her.

Emit and Katherine raised Annette well never telling her of her heritage wanting to protect her, when she was old enough she started helping out with the family business she spent most her days sewing with her mother and enjoying the time they spent together, soon her father introduced her to regular customer Fredric who was studying to be a doctor and needed his suits tailored so he would look the part, she and Fredric eventually married having two daughters Elenore and Effie who could not be more different to each other.

as time went on Fredrics health worsened he had always been feeble it was one of the reasons he had studied medicine, eventually he became bedbound beginning a spiral of obsession trying to use his knowledge to cure himself, all his research lead him to a so called "miracle cure" a treatment by the name of blood ministration, he travelled to the city of Yhanarm signing his name away only thinking of being cured, it was successful he was overjoyed at being able to return to his former self again and he began to make up for the time he had lost with his family, he was not bothered by the duties that were now required of him but due to those and needing to be closer to the City for his treatment he brought his family to live with him there.

Annette began to notice changes in Fredric after he had become ill he had never raised his voice at her and the children or thrown things but now it had become a common occurrence, one fateful day after returning home from the market she found him hunched over rambling to himself as she approached she saw his face it was not that of her husband it was twisted into that of a beast, as she turned to run he caught her in an instant turning the room red, Effie and Elenore had hidden themselves as their father had rambled and demanded to see them tearing the house apart, not wanting to be near him in his state they hadn't heard their mother return until they heard her screams, Elenore peered out wanting to protect her younger sister upon seeing the carnage she tried to creep past her father as he began his feast to try to alert anyone she could but she was not quick enough the last thing she did was scream for her sister to run.

Effie after losing everything had decided to become a Hunter she was determined to prevent the scourge from doing the damage she had witnessed first hand.

[fantomette22]

Oh wow OWO

I love it! (I should share my horrible one too xD) damn that’s super cool! I love family tree headcanons! Really interesting. Love all the details & names.

Even if they are mess it’s what made them credible!

(Also I LOVE that Maria as « wolf » as title!!! For me i always link her with the white wolf imagery! So yeah 🤝)

@heraldofcrow get here! And share yours

i wish we could find an item in cainhurst that was connected to maria

[medi-melancholy]

i only know very vague things about the ER dlc from skimming tvtropes and glancing at twitter and looking up some music and cutscenes, but here's my takeaways so far, mostly about Best Worst Boy

miquella in the running for one of the best soulsborne characters ever oh my GOD i love his whole everything. what a fun fascinating fucked up lil guy. what a good year for beautiful awful well-intentioned extremists and their plans for utopia. it's impossible to say whether he's a Good person or Bad person but you can't deny he does both good and bad. at the very least his intentions and goals come from a good place but his methods and values are uhhhhhhhhh something else. i love it!

i'm seeing people very upset that the version of miq they had in their heads is ruined forever so they're gonna ignore canon and like. sorry i guess! but the foundations for what he's really like were always there, and the new revelations about his actions are interesting and also in line

miq and malenia's relationship isn't any less valuable and malenia isn't any less badass ok? ok. calm down lol

enjoyers of pure and helpless miq who makes for a pretty victim or damsel in distress can still keep that image, because, hey, playing that role was also within his plans, it seems! He Has The Range!

also it's not a bad thing that we see a physically older/more mature version of miq! that's a win-win tbfh! and has some fascinating implications to me, from an outside perspective without all the info--did he find a way to break his curse, even if only temporarily?? is it tied to him nearly entirely reaching godhood?? i think it's neat and he looks gorgeous! it's not like everybody's gotta throw all their fanart away now, again, calm down

mohg isn't instantly some innocent victim in all this nowwwwww aaaaaaaaaaa he was still a really fucked up dude, and idk if we even know exactly how deep miq's charms over him went, maybe miq took advantage of some feelings or urges that were already there, maybe mohg's preexisting traits and personality made him do even more things than what miq himself was expecting, idk! there's room for interpretation and regardless he's still a fascinating monster of a guy, and i love having ansbach for perspective

this fucking family tree keeps getting BIGGER because so many fuckers got wiped from history because no one fucking gets along. it's so funny to me

i sure as shit wasn't expecting radahn to come back or be relevant in any way but yknow i do kinda dig it! he's a great and iconic character. yet i am seeing lots of complaints about that too lmao,, ER at its core was always based around and focused on That Big Goddamn Family so having things circle back around to figures already involved in things makes sense imo

but also GODWYN IS DEAD GODWYN IS VERY VERY DEAD GODWYN IS BEYOND DEAD i was hoping for some more info about him at the very least and maybe there's some i haven't heard about myself yet but holy shit ok he wasn't gonna have a physical appearance or be a boss or anything, but i'm seeing a ton of people disappointed that isn't exactly what happened

so what if things are messy and complicated and fucked up and squicky all over, welcome to soulsborne, like, idk what to tell you, i'm still so baffled by people who are shocked and appalled by dark or unusual content in elden ring and don't wanna talk about it or acknowledge it. where did yall come from???? did you play des or ds or bloodborne or even sekiro?? ? ?? ?????

i also saw some people complaining about the tragic/hopeless/depressing/upsetting quest or story parts and i'm so ???????????? seriously does no one realize what they're playing, why does this feel like an ER exclusive problem for from games?

music is great as ever i don't care what anyone says

messmer is cool as hell and super interesting and i can't wait to read up on him even more. i loooove his voice and just, how he looks and moves. he has a ton of personality and presence about him

leda what is wrong with you. i love you so much girl

happy pride month! 🥳

also i saw this phrase uttered along the way and i'm kind of obsessed with it lmao

[ofsilentthings]

Chapter two of my Bloodborne/Baldur's Gate crossover is out!

Introducing drug induced visions, sinister 'family' encounters, and Creative Use of Mirrors.

To get to Cainhurst from Byrgenwerth requires traveling through forest, city, and farmland. And even though Micolash keeps his blue eyes staring outside the carriage for the entire trip, he sees none of it. Instead he watches silver strings like sap slip from the barks of trees. He sees towering man made buildings pockmarked with corals and barnacles. And he sees, before the bridge to Cainhurst proper, the sea itself lapping against farmhouses, following the curve of the hills. He is fascinated with the alien landscape outside his window, brought on by the paleblood slithering through his veins. The visions are nothing like he’d ever imagine in his short life. Instead of being frightened or appalled, he is intrigued. Surely there is something real here, he thinks.  *** [snip] ***

Astarion hates everything about the palace but he hates the ballroom more than even the kennels. In the kennels there is privacy, torture conducted under sympathetic shadow. He can hide afterwards, hide his shame. In the ballroom there is torture and pain and suffering but it is out in the open. When he is brought here he is made to suffer under the public eye, for the amusement of his master’s guests. Even being in this room now makes him shake with deep seated fear.

[simplegenius042]

"Welcome To The Simple Lounge" - Introduction and MasterList Post

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A Radioactive Calamity Of Love, Bombs & Gore solely set in Fallout.

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Masterpost of Fallout OC Protagonists

Masterpost of casted Fallout characters in my The Schmuck Squad's JJK Abridged react fic

[lxvvie]

I'm in the middle of watching a Shadow of the Erdtree playthrough... wasn't expecting much because I'm not super interested in these branches of the family tree but damn what a beautiful dlc so far.

Divine Beast Dancing Lion is such a cool fight.

Cracking up at Rennala's sister's name. Of course, I should've known they would do something like that 😂

Graphically, Elden Ring is lovely.

I enjoy the uniqueness each boss brings but you can also see they got inspiration from Dark Souls and Bloodborne in their designs and fighting styles.

And yes, that's the GRRM School of Naming Conventions making an appearance lmao. Admittedly, her name doesn't flow as naturally as Rennala's does for me. I feel some variation of Relena (a la Relena Peacecraft from Gundam Wing) would've been better but I understood the theme.

And they have just about the same tastes in men, too lmao.

Let me also add that Messmer's voice is velvety. It's so... mesmerizing. Like Morgott's voice.

[ligawolfcosplayandarts]

ASOIaF OC x Canon drabble I did.

I have to continue work on my Bloodborne fanfic as my current ASOIaF OC x Canon work has mistakes and it went a bit south and I need rewrite few chapters (AO3)

Ngl I'm lazy in all my creative aspects because I'm still recovering from 2023.

Disclaimer: It's OC x Canon drabble which is also ASOIaF AU . My OC and her family are from outside Westeros hence why they don't act like Westerosi people.

Gregor constantly fought to gain Aerin's affections.

Eventually after tourney, Gregor and Aerin met up. She dehorsed him in jousting. He got even more into her.

Gregor sat down so his eyes could meet hers.

"Aerin... You did well. " He said in awkward voice as he reached to red parts of Aerin's hair.

She stood awkwardly and placed her hand on Gregor's large one.

"Ye the one who taught me most of it since I joined yer band" Aerin smiled

Gregor raised eyebrow and gave reassuring smile.

Both wore simple clothing. Armour too heavy for post tourney time. Gregor's rolled up sleeves exposed his scars all over them.

Hair down and bushy beard.

Aerin's fingers crazed over Gregor's large arm causing electricity run through his veins. He placed other hand on Aerin's waist and looked into her crimson eyes.

"You look very... Beautiful tonight. So strong, brave and ferocious. I wanted to tell these words long time ago" Gregor whispered as campsite fireplace made atmosphere intimate.

Aerin swallowed hard and was in disbelief.

"The words like these from ye, Ser Gregor?" She was in disbelief

Gregor nodded placing his large palm on her face. His hand was almost bigger than Aerin's face. He pressed forehead against hers and other hand on waist pulled her close. As Gregor said with his legs spread for Aerin to be closer to his torso.

Aerin's heart was beating fast as she saw Gregor's muscular build through his linen shirt. Chest heaving fast as he held Aerin here.

Aerin's hand now landed on Gregor's chest to feel heart that was beating fast. From battles together, being one in band, Gregor's favourite soldier to this. It wasn't expected over years and now, after tourney, different. Gregor's chest hair felt so soft while Aerin's kept caressing and feeling the muscle through it. She never really wanted his attention, but this time, something different in air.

Gregor let out growl, deep and rocky as he felt Aerin's touch.

"Aeri... I wanted this since last year... I was not sure you will let me nearby... You always look beautiful covered in blood wearing yellow tabbard with three dogs ... Sword in covered in sticky blood that matched your oddly beautiful eyes ... Aeri oh!" Gregor whispered with his eyes half lidded.

His large nose pressed against Aerin's as he let out another grunt. Only inch between their lips, but he was worried he will scare her.

The next moment lips so soft pressed on his scarred cheek . Several small kisses trailing over his face. Gregor didn't hesitate and catched Aerin's lips with his while his hand now back of her head and other one pressing Aerin's hand on his chest eagerly . Aerin didn't hesitate and returned kiss while she moaned into his mouth. Now Aerin and Gregor embracing each other and kissing passionately. Gregor sucked on Aerin's tongue tastefully and grunting between kisses. He mostly used his tongue as he was eager. Tree trunk size of arms around her, he was so large Aerin's stature was swallowed in embrace. Gregor pulled her legs around his waist, situating her in his lap.

" Ser Gregor ... Are ya to see me that way? " Aerin blushed

Gregor cradled Aerin's face in his hand and pressed rather sloppy awkward kisses on her face. "Yes.. I just kept it to myself. You see, you're most beautiful and most ferocious warrior I ever laid my eyes on" he whispered "don't call me Ser... Gregor will do. Ser is for simple soldiers to say not for someone I want to ride and die together with "

"Aye.. Gre.. Mountain..." Aerin blushed before placing her head onto Gregor's heavily heaving chest. Aerin felt the large chin on shoulder she could swear he smiled.

It was interesting end of tourney ....

Bonus drawings before I disappear in darkness of shame because Gregor Clegane being guilty pleasure of mine wasn't in my 2024 bingo card. I hate how he was written by GRRM so have AU of nicer Mountain .

[fantomette22]

For OCs asks... Isn't it your OC on your icon? Can you tell us more about them?

Ah Lucen Venator ! My beloved hunter <3 (I called my tarnished Lucen too, I might used that name for everyone lol but it's not exactly the same character either hehe ^^)

(drawing made by PaperAcolyte/Chess Albaneze on Instagram by the way. A really nice and sweet person who's making one of the best bloodborne comic to date!)

Alright so lil Lucen really try to be a kind soul but have seen some serious shit in his life (cf scars + last survivor origins initially but I arranged myself so that a lot of origin could actually fit him). What I mean is that he's more a summon helper than an invader XD I put a bit of myself in him. He's probably gonna ascend to become a great one but in the scenario where he would do the "Yharnam sunrise ending" he would ended becoming the next Crow.

He got black hair and silver? eyes. And actually more than just one scar on the face. Oh and I guess they/them is fine too? And If I had a female hunter I would probably have called her Lucen as well so

He's like the only characters with a complex family tree including both OC and really obscure characters from the lore of Bloodborne too. (I finally have an excuse to talk about it let's go !) (of course it's just my imagination and doesn't repose on anything)

Ok so first you have his grandad (that I call Mr Venator or just Venator because I didn't found a name yet) he's a a foreigner who came to Yharnam as a prospector originally and then became an old hunter. (He probably never met his grandson too... probably died way before 😢)

He had a son (Lucen's dad) that accompanied him but he was a child/young teenager when they came at Yharnam. But he hang up around the workshop & with other hunter and that's how he met the brother of his future wife and well, his future wife.

Now Lucen's mother (that's where the family tree get tricky XD) so she's from Yharnam? I think. she's from a servant family of Cain or smt akin too. She was a kid too during the beginning of the hunters and all (like before the hamlet/just after).

BUT she had an older brother/half brother (Lucen's uncle) who's an illegitimate Cainhurst/noble child. Maria took him under her wings and he became an old hunter (probably the youngest too, he was a teen). That GUY stayed a hunter and kinda rejected cainhurst who wanted him to become a knight and he's even the one who took care of the workshop after Gehrman went into the dream. And oh yeah he ended up becoming the beast possessed soul of the workshop...💀 (the freaking drama I know! I need names for everyone too ahhhh)

AND (it's not finished) that hunter is also... vileblood drifter Leo half brother too! (I know I said it was complex) (Leo, who's probably a cousin/relative of Bloody Crow too. Crow's dad is another one of my oc too but that will be for another time lol).

Here's the family tree so you might understand better. With the simplified version and a more complex version (i'm sorry it's a mess... I might changed it one day...or not)

Anyway in my hc / one of my story all this lil squad : Lucen's parents (with his mom being like 8 months pregnant of him at the time...) his uncle and lil (emo teen young adult) Crow have been basically saved/hid by Gehrman when the church attacked Cainhurst. (I have lots of thoughts about it ! Lucen's uncle and Leo even reconcile in it wow)

Just imagining the following scene make me laugh all the time XD :

Laurence at the workshop : Gehrman what are you doing ??

Gehrman : Me ? Nothing I'm just having tea with some friends. Didn't you tell me you were busy with the mess at Cainhust or smt...

Imagined around the table you have like the doll, 2 anxious/scared future parents (with the dad being hurt because he was almost crucified at Hemwick), Crow (Voron) who's on the point of annihilated Laurence and the hunter (Lucen uncle) holding him back...

After that Lucen's family quit Yharnam. (Except his uncle who stayed/came back. And Crow who might have went with them? but ended up coming back a bit later too. I would never have thought crow would have been linked that much with my hunter... wtf)

Oh and i forgot to mention... when the Moon Presence was beckon... a child was born under the pale moonlight...far away from Yharnam... I let you guess who that was 👀

(I don't have that much bloodborne oc really... ok maybe besides them, the cainhurst ocs (the knight, crow? and a few others (I need names too) and if you don't count the king, Caryll, Dores, dores, gatekeeper, Archi & Paarl + some the corpses we see in game we know like 2 things about I guess the only other legit oc is like Gehrman's dog lmao XD)

Update : By the way it's pronounced LuSSen /LuÇen

[blood--king]

Bloodborne Family Tree

Part I — Part II — Part III — Part IV — Part V — Part VI

The next relation we're going to explore is the one between the two brothers, Vlad and Drak. They were twins, however, only one of them could inherit the power of the Vampire God; Drakule, the child that was more of a humanoid bat was born just a few seconds earlier than Vlad, which gave him the right to inherit that power. This made Hal have a huge preference towards his first son and neglect the second one. Outside the palace, Vlad was a famous prince, he was talented, charismatic and fun, but inside the royal castle he had no value.

Vlad tried so hard to win his father's heart, but at the age of 10, all that love towards his father split in half, one half became an insane obsession to be the best for his father, and the other half was hatred towards his brother. What caused that? You may ask. At that time, Hal have had enough of Vlad trying to be acknowledged, so he told him something he would never forget: "You are half strong, but twice a failure." The King was implying with that phrase that both brothers were incomplete, however, Drak was the first born, giving him access to the Vampire God's power, while Vlad was twice a failure, he was missing a half of his vampire self, and couldn't even inherit that great power.

Since then, Vlad tried to murder Drak multiple times, but Drak's ears were so incredible he could even see with his eye closed, as he could hear even the slightest wave of sound, Vlad couldn't even launch a punch, as the mere action of flexing his muscles produced a sound Drak could hear. But one day, at the age of 18, Vlad created a technique that allowed him to summon a Storm. With all the raindrops, the thunders, the wind, plants and animals, with the sound made by all of that, it was easy for Vlad to slay his brother. No one knows how it happened except for Vlad himself, he told Everybody that his brother was a traitor, he set Drak's husband up and sold him like a slave, never to be found, and kept the recently born Hell Bloodborne, the next Vampire God, and he used him as a battery, borrowing fragments of that power yearly. And just like that, Vlad was the new Supreme King and God of All Vampires.

[slightlydeadghost]

Super old drawing of my Bloodborne Hunter Effie's family tree

Her Grandmother Katherine of Cainhurst and Grandfather Emit Whitlock, Her Mother Annette Whitlock and Father Fredric Corvo with her older sister Elenore Corvo

[katyspersonal]

if you could ask Miyazaki a single question on Bloodborne lore and he had to give you a complete and non-obscure answer, what would you ask?

"Why the Doll from Bloodborne is dressed like this?". In a heartbeat.

There ARE some other things I really want to know, of course! All Fromsoft, not just Bloodborne. Like who was Djura's third companion, because it is absolutely not obvious since Joseph is not unique but just a summon variant of a generic invader enemy 'Izzy's Follower'! Or exact list of parents of Gwyn's children, so the family tree is solid! Or how exactly Rom ascended, because whereas Micolash claims she was given eyes by Kos, she is a Spider (Nightmare/Amygdalae affiliation) AND is found as a corpse near weeping Ebrietas in the Choir! Or who exactly Gloam-Eyed Queen was... All that!

However, simply answering all these with theories and headcanons and interpretations does not have consequences! The Doll's clothing discourse, however, does!

It is obvious that we as a fandom are not ready for Miyazaki's genius, and above all, not ready to be mature enough to respect each other's takes! Doll discourse brings out the worst in people! No other unresolved lore question makes people block each other on the spot for """wrong""" reading of this. People even block Gehrmaria shippers as if to distance from "impurity uwu" instead of just blocking the ship's name, like Tumblr allows to do! No other question makes them vagueblog absolutely vile shit about another, or sometimes put their hate for character/ship in the tags. No other question makes people call their opponents misogyny-apologists, braindead, weirdos, media-illiterate or straight up claim they "just want to woobify the cis white man" (seriously what the fuck RACE has to do with this?) ..... this is the part where I should address the wrongdoings of people with charitable Gehrman reading as a 'both sides bad' matter but I can't recall anything lolololololol

Yeah, I might not believe there was any sort of misogyny tradwife stuff planned for the character. It is not just a matter of "even the doll should it please you" and "his curious mania" being inventions of localisation team:

Doll says '私をお使いください' ('Watashi o o tsukai kudasai', so, please use me), referring to using her for channeling Blood Echoes! Gehrman says '君さえよければ、あの人形もね⋯' ('kimi sae yokereba, ano ningyō mo neso', so, 'doll too if only you are okay with it', or '...if that is alright with you') in the context of talking about the Hunter tools in the Workshop, again, pointing us towards the fact that she is, too, a 'tool' in a way. Some tools fortify your weapons, others (herself) turn blood echoes into your power.

The "mania" mentioned in this line also uses the word 狂熱 (kyoonetsu), which refers to madness and insanity. Meanwhile, the "mania" mentioned in the description of Doll's clothes uses the word 偏執 (henshuu), meaning to be absorbed in the process very much, being very fixated etc. So, he was so absorbed in his work on the clothes of the Doll that he lost track of time!

It is... everything. Him being put up as a tragic character with a tragic song, when Fromsoft is always blunt when they want someone to be a weirdo or disliked. It is Doll crying a tear of joy upon feeling how Gehrman cared for Maria through Hair Ornament. It is Doll being based on Victorian grief dolls and not being a sex doll or whatever Reddittube said and Twitbr parroted. It is bifauxnen archetype being more often about a woman who did not even want to be masculine but something, or someone, pushed her to, than about plain masculine woman, paired with how much Maria regretted joining the hunt and her hunter attire being the 'masculine wear'. If not and transition was genuine, grief doll implies Maria at least used to be this way, and Gehrman clings to the past version of her, away from what killed her.

But in the end, it doesn't matter which! I try to not have biases besides 'what works better' or 'what feels more natural'! But even if Miyazaki said that yes, he did imply misogyny tradwife forced femininity whatever whatever for this character, what would matter is a concrete answer! Again: we as a fandom, heck, as a species, are not intellectually ready for the concepts like 'up to interpretation'. But removing interpretation factor from THIS thing would've saved so, so, SO many unnecessary petty dramas and conflicts!

[mosasadogs]

oh that’s an interesting thought you have about shamans, does it account for their worship of the jars? you mentioned potentates as well, yet you neglected to call attention to them being naked references to maneater mildred’s invasion in dark souls. you also pointed out the “jar hospital” at the bottom of shadow keep as evidence of “kindness” towards the jars, so i bet you think the healing church are secretly the good guys in bloodborne. tell me, what became of the jar making practice in the rest of the land’s between? you also implied marika’s village’s murder and insertion into jars was justification for persecuting the hornsent. surely marika would have ceased this practice of jar making if she disapproved entirely, yet it continues under the erdtree in an incredibly similar form. we see pots with the ERDTREE’S SEAL in caelid and liurnia. remember your epic co-op solaire reference buddy alexander? he now comes across as some sort of psychopomp akin to a valkyrie, or an allegory of assimilation by conquest considering the corpses he stuffs himself with are all destined for erdtree reincarnation (the fate of everyone stuffed into a jar (the colosseums) by marika.) this obviously implies that the current cycle of erdtree burial/birth/reincarnation was originally based on an extremely similar practice that began under the hornsent, since jars are so closely linked to erdtree burial. it is marika’s “improvement” on the process. we don’t know how, but it seems likely that marika’s epithet (the eternal) comes from her alteration of this process, the endless cycle of erdtree burial and reincarnation (see the tree of ishai (a literal “family tree” tracing christ’s lineage back to the jewish patriarchs) (christ’s “continuity” with the previous order)on the chairs in morghott’s arena, which should be interpreted literally.)

it is no coincidence that word shaman is implied to be feminine in the japanese script. the main head of every jar appears to be feminine. they have marks on their forehead that resemble ash wednesday and marika’s symbol of a curved crucifix. their flesh is also described as malleable, merging with other’s flesh. “Oh Radagon, thou art yet to become me.” the resemblance to the primordial crucible is obvious. the resemblance to the communion (with the divine through his whipped, pierced, devoured flesh) is obvious.

what is the original miracle? childbirth. it has been viewed as a divine act since time immemorial. new life is forged in the empty. who is the holiest saint in christianity? mary lacked original sin, lived a life free from error and was permitted to enter heaven while still alive (the assumption of mary.)

the jar making practice originated in the hinterlands. so did christianity. the first christian churches were repurposed from roman basilicas on the edges of the empire. in the hinterlands we find remnants of a faith with only one adherent left alive, one detail hinting at the beliefs of a vanished people. a woman with long hair, sitting in the hollow of a tree amongst it’s roots. this image could not be more evocative of every previous theme mentioned. the primordial mother, the grandmother tree that looks after the village.

marika’s motivation for bathing the shaman village in grace isn’t mourning. it’s guilt. why do the hornsent call her betrayer? how was she born? why do numen women come up over and over again? is marika an empyrean? what is an empyrean? let’s examine all of the numen women who appear in the story, in order of appearance.

marika is a christ whose “order” is based on turning from the sculpting of life (the sculpted keepers, divine warriors, inquisitors, grafting, jars, divine beasts, omens, the primordial crucible, the misbegotten) to the eternal preservation of order through endless reincarnation, a perfect circle (continuous theme of the golden order is sacred geometry and mathematics) with the rune of death (decay, rot) hidden inside her shadow maliketh (outside of time.) the mysticism surrounding her dual nature is identical to christ (mortal and divine, god above and god in the world, god inside time and god outside time), even wondering whether radagon existed before her gives her more in common with christ (who was begat outside of time.) it could be said that christ’s dual nature mirrors perfectly a flawless union of man and woman, divine and mortal, the malleable form of a god who can be many things at once without any conflict in the visages, something completely familiar to people of the past (osiris is zeus, hermes is mercury, set is hadaad, zeus is a swan and a bull and a man, perhaps yahweh was asherah sometimes.) it is reflected in christ and marika’s wound as well (water gushed out of the wound next to blood, not mixing at all.)

ranni’s probably transgender based on all this, and also a proto miquella (I abandon here my entire fucking body.) i am basing this off ranni’s capability of becoming a vessel for the greater will to be used by a lord to shape the world, as her spurning it implies she was capable of it. her motivation for causing the shattering (marika caused it) then likely becomes that she was betrothed to godwyn the golden. ranni is the only empyrean who was capable of reproducing, before she discarded her body. she is the only woman born from radagon (marika) and renalla’s marriage. NONE of marika’s empyreans (capable of delivering children) are born uncursed save her. she had to have been betrothed to godwyn, a match akin to miquella and radahn (numen woman (maiden) and golden lord (marika and godfrey.)) so this is the second empyrean we see whose ability to give birth is removed. her appearance evokes asceticism as well and i think it goes perfectly with her complete rejection of order’s dogma to preserve the cycle, her desire to escape endless reincarnation. shiva too was a blue ascetic.

millicent and her sisters are imperfect offspring and fractions of malenia’s being. it’s worth pointing out that when the needle is removed from her flesh it is described as “moist with dew.” perhaps this is commenting on her nature as christ’s spear wound did. i think she would be capable of the same sort of reproduction that malenia performed, essentially planting cuttings that grow into imperfect copies.

malenia was an empyrean born under literal cursed stars, the influence of an “outer” god (simply a disparaging term for heavenly bodies other than the greater will.) she is defined by her rejection of the stars. this is the first empyrean we come to who is unable to perpetuate the current age but is more than capable of a new kind of birth with a new kind of offspring. she is a splendid mutation! caelid is not a hell, it is a heaven! decay is life! rot is fertile! there is no stagnation save for CASTLE REDMANE, shattering lost causers who cling to gold. the dogma of the golden order rejects rot because it is afraid of death. it cannot incorporate it. she refuses to be the inhuman vessel of the god of rot and similarly to ranni takes great influence from a blue ascetic. at this point we must start keeping a tally of suicidal empyreans. so far it has been 100% of them. they have all, without exception, mutilated their flesh. ranni rejected her entire body and even rejected her promised consort’s soul by murdering both of them at the same time. malenia rejects her children and millicent rejects them again, killing her sisters/offspring or being murdered by her sisters/offspring/herself. she even rejects her own flesh, then rejects even miquella, who is probably very hard to reject, by taking out his acupuncture needle herself (glistening with dew.) marika shatters the elden ring and uses her offspring with godfrey to commit suicide/mariticide/deicide and escape the godhead.

saint trina tells us miquella pitied even himself, and that his desire to become a god is akin to martyrdom in his mind. it is horrible to be a vessel. she pleads with us for help in committing suicide (while we continuously commit suicide via drinking her nectar directly from her to commune with the god.) it is like a ritual to make contact. i think if marika were capable of communication (impossible) she would say those same words. her imprisonment did not begin with her crucifixion, it began when she performed the secret rite in enir-ilim (bedchambre of the god). she is a slave to the greater will. why else shatter the elden ring? all of ranni’s dialogue supports this. she doesn’t want to be used as a cult object because of her divine womb. where do we see miquella? he is on top of a pelvis bone in mohg’s bedchambre surrounded by sumerian statues (the imago mundi appears in game). it is appropriate for an empyrean and for the god who struggles to be born. it greatly resembles marika’s bedchambre. i think it is accurate to say radagon is both father and mother to miquella. he is clearly cast in marika’s image, but his dual nature, connection to golden order fundamentalism, association with crafts through his needle, prosthetics and metallurgy only show him behaving like radagon. marika and radagon are both smiths, something associated with divinity since prehistory. the dryleaf sect illustrates this further. miquella is of the enlightenment as radagon, but he is a schismatic to radagon’s apologist. there’s a sort of coherent progression told by the rings of light of miquella’s identification with and then rejection of radagon/the golden order. then the attempt to build a new order, the haligtree, that rots because it is part of the same root system. miquella is completely trapped because the roots extend even to the sacred mountaintop. his cycle fails, the cocoons won’t ever hatch. after this he goes “griffith mode.”

there is a continuous theme of children rejecting their parents (ranni, rykard, malenia, miquella) and of women refusing to give birth (millicent, malenia, ranni, marika)

i’ll finish the rest of this after i beat the last boss of the dlc but my heart keeps getting stolen

if you post about elden ring’s story and get anything wrong i’ll think you’re stupid forever so keep that in mind before wading in

[aegor-bamfsteel]

So Rhaegar Frey, a southern lord, whose son named Jonos Frey and had other son named Robert was potential match for Wynfred Manderly a northern daughter. Rhaegar's first wife was dead from illness. He insulted North king Robb Stark and wanted Manderlys to bend the knee to Iron Throne. His family was responsible for killing killing Starks and Wendel. Though he died before he married Wynafrd. I do think grrm is mocking Rhaegar Targ through Rhaegar Frey and fans don't even recognize it.

Despite GRRM saying he has good fans (as per this response comparing us favorably to Rowling’s after he lost the 2001 Hugo Award), he does seem to like trolling us, doesn’t he? There’s also Melisandre saying if she’s ever mistaken about her visions “the fault lies with the reader, not the book” like he’s poking fun at fan speculation.

GRRM does like using the Frey namesakes to play around with character fates. Sandor Clegane killed Tytos Frey, whereas his grandfather saved Tytos Lannister. There’s Sandor Frey, a squire of Donnel Waynwood, who for all we know Sansa will meet as she leaves the Vale. Half of the Beesbury-Raymund Freys have main branch Lannister names (twins Jaime and Tywin, “little Bee” Cersei), and their father Raymund personally slit Catelyn Stark’s throat. Speaking of, Cat killed Aegon “Jinglebell” Frey at the Red Wedding as “a son for a son”, which has some similarity to Aegon son of Elia’s presumed fate (killed while a mother was begging for mercy). There’s Aegon “Bloodborn” Frey son of Aenys, an outlaw, who again has parallels to Aegon VI (you could consider the alleged baby swap him born in blood, and certainly he lived as an outlaw during his youth). Then there’s Bloodborn’s brother Rhaegar, who as you said had three children (Robert, “White” Walda—maybe for her pale hair as she’s part Beesbury?, and Jonos) with a mother named Tyana (Lyanna?) who died in childbirth presumably with him, lied about the Starks’ involvement in the Red Wedding, was betrothed to a northern heiress, and presumably died and was fed to his kin, including his own father Aenys (I guess substitute for Aerys, who outlived Rhaegar before being killed himself). The details are mixed up from what we know of the Targaryens (Lyanna the mistress not the mother, Aegon the son not the older brother, Robert the cousin not the son), but considering how Wyman points out that Rhaegar was “a smirking worm who wears a dragon’s name) I’m sure this branch of the Frey tree having some Targaryen names has significance (probably that they’re doomed). In addition, it seems that Rhaegar’s kids are double cousins with Raymund‘s Lannister named kids (both have Beesbury mothers), so their fates are possibly connected (again, I wouldn’t put it past GRRM murdering some Lannister namesakes even if they’re infants).

[jeza-red]

I think I kinda wish From dropped their usual writing style for ER. This game needs some more meat on the bare bones plot. This being an open world, I kinda need a good reason as the protagonist to follow the plot. The usual "you are vaguely chosen idk do ring a bell/light a fire/burn a tree" isn't cutting it, because in this one characters you meet are supposed to matter.

The Plot was the big selling point - and when the Plot doesn't include the protagonist and barely acknowledges their existence... Well, what's left?

How much more engaging it would feel if the Tarnished of your choosing was an old hand that had a place in Marika's court/family only to end up stripped of their powers and sent into exile - now returning to their ruined home in search for answers and revenge?

What if they were Godfrey's trusted lieutenant and watched the exile kill their lord - and dragged themselves back to Limgrave to, again, get answers/revenge? Or even to deliver Godfrey's ashes to Marika - as a last wish of the besotted King?

Or if they were an agent of the Formless Mother sent to infiltrate the kingdom and kill the ruler so that she can take over? Like, this is instantly more engaging and involved than whatever the fuck two fingers have going =_=

Hell, even a Nomad on a path of solving the mystery of their missing people. Or go crazy and they're a homonculus created by Miquela, mean to get godly power and then serve as him new body.

Just - something to make the game interesting, to involve the player in the story, make them a part of it. Something to make the characters mean to the player something more than a shopping list.

Bloodborne justifies the Hunter being a free electron - they're living through their 28 Days Later as we speak, no time to talk.

Elden Ring has us returning home. Home we know nothing about and have no stakes in reclaiming.

At the very least let us gun for a place that was our home/people - only to see it destroyed and desolate, and let the need to know appear organically.

Like, say whatever you want about JRRM, but he is a good writer who can easily convince readers care about his characters. Why would you hire him as a writer and then just - strip everything down to the skeleton, but cause Soulsborne has a style...