#bj papa san

[remyfire]

[mashpoll]

BJ Papa San (s7 e16): B.J. becomes a surrogate father to a Korean family, but all of his help never seems like enough.

They Call the Wind Korea (s7 e8): Complete opposites Charles and Klinger are lost while traveling during a windstorm and stumble on a truckload of injured Greek soldiers.

[klingers-outfits]

BJ Papa San

[hhawkeye]

nobody in mash learning korean even though they were there for three or eleven years. whatever

[hballegro]

getting a lot of mileage out of my 'if not then why' folder wherein i keep many instances of 'if not then why'

including

[majorbaby]

@caddyxjellyby

hope you dont mind the rb and tags. i agree with this and in general i think looking for parallels between eras should be done with care because i find there are a few moments that visually might seem similar but are completely different in tone and messaging e.g. officer of the day vs commander pierce, mail call vs period of adjustment, radar's report vs preventative medicine

i think there is a parallel from a real-world production standpoint, the ethical dilemma i prefaced my original post with. It's maybe not so much a parallel as it is just a problem with race that the show has no means to address because of its format.*

I think the problems with Kim are more or less just this general problem with the show. The boy in Kim turning out to not be an orphan actually subverts this a little, but it's still framed as a sad ending for Trapper and we're left with Trapper and Hawkeye at the end. I think Trapper is allowed to feel sad but, yk, the problems with centering his feelings are still there.

Same with Yessir that's our baby. But i will point out that there's this unexpectedly great moment where the official from the korean government puts a belligerant and sarcastic Hawkeye in his place. Just as he (hawkeye) is going on this santimonious rant about how dare the korean government not accept responsibility for a mixed korean child, the official hits back telling hawkeye, with much more courtesy than hawkeye afforded him, "americans are not the only ones who father such children, but they are the onlt ones who ignore them ". It goes on the very short list of moments where MASH seems to at least be aware of how its framing of americans in korea is problematic.

Unfortunately they walk that back later. i think the most egregious example of korean surrogate child might be in GFA, and ive decided to watch it tonight to see if my hunch checks out.

*yes sir that's our baby actually does show they can address it if they want to, but it probably wouldnt have been sustainable long term

expanding on the aside about white saviourism i placed in my charleshawk post: if you make a show about how america (and others) should not have been in korea and center the experiences of a bunch of white americans, then you've created a moral paradox for your narrative to contend with.

any attempt to shift the lens onto korean people will come off as shallow and insensitive because the show is not about the native korean experience of the korean war. ignore that experience entirely and you'll have cranky TUoC (tumblr users of colour) writing call out posts (affectionate) for your show 50 years later.

there's constant tension between the progressive impression the show wants to leave and and the wall it hits when it comes to race and imperialism. MASH pushed forward regardless of this and ultimately im grateful for that because otherwise i wouldnt have a show to love very much and also sometimes criticize.

i think the creators of the show were aware of this paradox for better or for worse - worse whenever they tried to address it and better when they just didnt bother, imo.

but i think one thing they did thinking it was benign or even positive, was the recurring introduction of nameless korean orphans as convenient, surrogate family members for our main cast. any time there's a cute kid on screen and a cast member interacting with them, there's this "breather moment" that rings to me as "see, we all bleed red". A kid is a kid. Except that korean kids in korea during the korean war weren't normal kids at all. Their childhoods were collateral damage in the conflict.

These moments and these children are meant to be comforting to us, the audience, and to the 4077th. Hawkeye and the gang are far from home and these kids give them an opportunity to be reminded of familial love you might feel towards a beloved younger family member or local child.

But any relationship between a child orphaned by a pointless war and any outsider (regardless of how much they may agree about the pointlessness of the war) is unbalanced. All our cast members have families that they will someday return to, and these kids are almost always introduced as "the korean orphans" living in these transient spaces called "korean orphanages" run by the catholic church (derogatory).

BJ and Trapper have kids of their own, but any kid who looks up to either of them as a father may not actually have parents, or if they do, may not continue to have parents. Something to consider when we're "awww'ing" at a white person with comparatively lower stakes in a relationship, than the child their interacting with. A child whose stop at the 4077th may be only a brief moment of reprieve from a life that Charles refers to as "a life of misery".

What he means by that is, the baby in "Yessir that's our baby" (whose baby?) has to stay in Korea to fend for herself during the war after the war. No GFA for her or for any of the unnamed Korean characters we've met.

[summerreign4077]

M*A*S*H Episodes With a Main Character’s Name in the Title.

Hawkeye Pierce

Dr. Pierce and Mr. Hyde

Carry On, Hawkeye

The Late Captain Pierce

Hawkeye

Hawkeye Get Your Gun

Hawk’s Nightmare

Commander Pierce

Bless You, Hawkeye

Give ‘Em Hell, Hawkeye

Margaret Houlihan

Hot Lips and Empty Arms

Margaret’s Engagement

The Abduction of Margaret Houlihan

Margaret’s Marriage

Hot Lips is Back in Town

Are You Now, Margaret?

Henry Blake

Henry, Please Come Home

The Trial of Henry Blake

Henry in Love

Abyssinia, Henry

Radar O’Reilly

Radar’s Report

Lt. Radar O’Reilly

Goodbye, Radar: Part 1

Goodbye, Radar: Part 2

Charles Winchester

The Winchester Tapes

Dr. Winchester and Mr. Hyde

Father Mulcahy

Mulcahy’s War

Sherman Potter

Potter’s Retirement

BJ Hunnicutt

BJ Papa San

Trapper, Frank, and Klinger are the only main characters who never had their names in an episode title.

[randomyaoimoments]

Hello, do you mind if I ask your fav BL based on this categories? But all category must have different BL titles.

Manhua

Manhwa

Manga

Omegaverse

Shounen ai

Younger top

Younger bottom

Seme redflag

Uke redflag

Most greenflag couple

Most redflag couple

Enemies to lovers

Childhood friend to lovers

School life

Thanks if you want to answer.

Hello there! thanks for asking :D to answer your question, Below are my personal favorite BL 😙 Hope you’ll enjoy reading it :D

Manhua :

- Fragile Relationship

Manhwa :

- BJ Alex

- Dangerous Convenience Store

- I Can Hear It Without A Microphone

- Legs Which Cannot Walk

- Perfect Buddy

- Pian Pian

- Rivalry 1

- Semantic Error

- Shutline

- Surge Looking For You

- Sweet Spot

- The Kang’s Yeesu

- The New Recruit

- The Time Between Dog And Wolf

- Walk On Water

Manga :

- Finder Series

- Cherry Magic!

- Dakaretai Otoko Ichii Ni Odosarete Imasu

- Itou-san

- Kiraide Isasete

- Honto Yajuu

- Saezuru Tori Wa Habatakanai

- Sasaki To Miyano

- The Alpha’s Bride

- The Titan’s Bride

Omegaverse :

- Heat And Run

- Kashikomarimashita, Destiny

- Kedamono Arashi series

- Kekkon Shite Kudasai!

- Okusama Wa Alpha

- Ou-sama to Puppy Love

- Remnant : Jujin Omegaverse

- Totsugimasen Kara!

- Usotsuki Na Tsugai

- You Who Wants To Love

Shounen ai :

- Boku-tachi Wa Mada Aoku

- Green Apple Paradise

- Heesu In Class 2

- Kieta Hatsukoi

Younger top

- 17 Seito

- Boku No Mama Chan

- Dou-imo Nara Nai

- Eat Me Up, My Husband

- Honey Bear

- If You Hate Me That Much

- Kore Mo Shigoto Desu

- My Pretty Policeman

- Papa Datte, Shitai

- Seashell Boy

Younger bottom :

- Collar Kiss

- Goodbye Lilac

- Hana Wa Saku Ka

- His Little Amber

- Honey Maple More More Sugar

- Hwanghyeon Text

- Isso Koe Ga Nakattara

- Katekyo!

- Kikoeru?

- Kobi No Kyoujin

- Koi Ga Michitara

- Love Me Doctor!

- Mankai Darling

- My Little Inferno

- On Or Off

- Ou-sama No Koi Asobi

- A Tiger’s Den

- Usagi Otoko Tora Otoko

Seme redflag

- Even If You Don’t Love Me

- Love Jinx

- My Hyung’s Lover

- Roses And Champagne

- Sadistic Beauty BL Sidestory

- Unscented Trajectory

Uke redflag

- Sweet Heart Trigger

Most greenflag couple

- Ouchi E Kaerou : Neko Mimi Omegaverse

- After Staring At The Starry Sky

- First Night With My Beloved

- Mother’s Spirit

- Muri Marriage

- Old-fashioned Cupcake

- Raion Gotoki No Kuni Kara

- Restart Wa Tadaima No Ato De

- Shiba-kun To Shepherd-san

- Tatoeba Konna Koi No Hanashi

- Until I Meet My Husband

Most redflag couple

- Dragless Sex

Enemies to lovers

- Alpha Ga Alpha Wo Daku Houhou

- Anti Alpha

- Fudanshi No Ore Ga Youkya Osananajimi Ni Semarareteru Ken

- I’m Banging My Rival From A Parallel World

- Omae No Koi Wa Ore No Mono

- You Get Me Going

- Megumi And Tsugumi

Childhood friends to lovers :

- Ashita Wa Docchi Da!

- Dekiai Honey Baby

School life :

- Bukiyou Na Silent

- Doushiyou Mo Nai, Boku No Hatsukoi

- Ero Yume Aquarium

- Gosan No Heart

- Hana Tokidoki Kuma

- Hatsukoi Encounter

- Hinekure Chaser

- Houkago No Etude

- I Seriously Can’t Believe You

- Iberiko Buta To Koi To Tsubaki

- Inu Mo Arukeba Koi Ga Hajimaru

- Kawaii Akuma

- Kijima-kun

- Mask Danshi Wa Koishitakunai No Ni

- Nar Kiss

- Yarichin Bitch Club

✌🏻

[marley-manson]

BJ Papa San may be about BJ but as a Hawkeye fan first MASH fan second my main takeaway from the episode is the way Hawkeye cautions BJ about getting too emotionally invested.

He's a bit player in BJ's plotline so I doubt it's meant to significantly reflect on him as a character - someone needs to caution BJ against getting too involved for the sake of foreshadowing - but it's interesting. Like, he's speaking from experience, but not experience he's since tempered himself lol. He still gets too emotionally invested. I mean, a few episodes after this he mutilates a colonel to save a hundred kids <3

I think partly it's another instance of Hawkeye giving advice tailored to a person in a specific situation, regardless of whether he personally follows it. BJ needs a warning because Hawkeye can see that he's setting himself up for an emotional blow, but that doesn't mean Hawkeye's less emotionally invested in the lives being destroyed around him lol. (In fact usually their roles are reversed, a la Give Em Hell Hawkeye, The Grim Reaper, Depressing News, Tell It to the Marines, etc)

It's also Hawkeye in the role of dude who's been here the longest warning the newer ones, the way he cautioned Charles about his insomnia in Dr Winchester Mr Hyde, or the way he occasionally played mentor to BJ in BJ's earlier seasons. It's a bit late for this dynamic between them, but it doesn't not work.

But what I think is the most interesting potential takeaway from this is that it suggests Hawkeye is self aware about his own emotional investment. Like, not necessarily, you can give advice without realizing it also applies to you lol, but Hawkeye is a self aware kind of guy, and he's demonstrated that awareness before. Like in Sometimes You Hear the Bullet when he recognizes that he was numbing himself to the situation and does a 180, wondering why he hasn't cried for everyone who's died and immediately sending Wendel back home instead of cavalierly letting him risk his life to impress his girlfriend.

There's also moments like Hawkeye describing his state of mind in Depressing News as "mania," perfectly aware that he's not in a good emotional place but rolling with it, all the dark jokes about being more like a mechanic than a doctor, his willingness to talk to a psychiatrist in several episodes, etc etc.

He's not invested in this particular family in BJ Papa San, but he gets invested in many, many other doomed causes. And I gotta wonder if in some way he picks and chooses his battles. If he can tune it out, essentially, the way he says he was doing before Tommy died in Sometimes You Hear the Bullet, but he doesn't want to be that numb to it all so he actively tries to find a balance. If maybe part of the reason he gets invested in his causes is like, as a form of emotional release, to demonstrate to himself that the constant death around him hasn't stopped him from feeling it.

After all, at the end of the episode he does tell BJ that he expects him to turn around and help someone else anyway. And that's probably also speaking from experience. It hurts to stay emotionally invested, and you can't be at full emotional investment all the time or you'd fully lose your mind in a week, but I think Hawkeye knows that getting invested in doomed causes over and over is better, like for him as a person and his own self-respect, than the alternative of keeping his head down and trying to stay as emotionally uninvolved as possible.

And it's interesting to imagine him like, semi-logically coming to this conclusion. Rather than his campaigns being pure irrational emotion, they're something he knows he has to throw himself at now and then to remain himself.

[gaysails]

@pomegranate @amrv-5 I have leapt up and physically punched the air in glee at least three times so far listening to bj papa san mashcast episode. thank you for your service......

[remyfire]

Feeling a bit unwell about Beej tipping his head up in that particular way. Just btw.

[honey--wraith]

2, 9, 19 pls!!! :)

Hi Al!!!

2: what’s a detail that you would consider insignificant but you like ? I talked about set dressings/callback props when Shan asked me this so I'll talk about an insignificant detail I HATE! When I was archiving and scanning some of the original MASH scripts (yes the fact I got to get my hands on the OG BJ Papa San script was kind of the best day of my life) I noticed they still referred to Margaret's character as "Hot Lips" even up to GFA! It doesn't truly matter in the long run because Swift did so much for the public perception of Margaret, fighting to make her a well developed very human character and got away from the "Hot Lips" moniker in the later seasons. It irks me though that despite all of that, in the scripts she's still referred to as a sexist and flat moniker up to and including in the last episode of the show...very annoying!

9: episode you could genuinely write an entire essay on ? So so many but to try to avoid talking about Dreams or WTK or Peace on Us in yet another ask, I'm going to say Father's Day. It's one of the episodes I've seen the most and one that really made things click for my thoughts surrounding the character of Margaret. Could write several essays on her daddy issues/issues with authority that are present in this episode.

19: favorite character that’s talked about but never onscreen ? ERIN!!!! Especially the way you write about her she is my favorite weird little girl and the amount of well-developed characterization I have for her in my head is so funny given she's never really onscreen

[bardengarde]

mash ask: 1, 11, and 17. 💜

Shan my beloved!!!💜💜💜

1. Who's your favorite swamp rat?

....Sigghhh, you and I both know the answer- it's Hawkeye. 😔

11 . favorite random object in the swamp ?

I really love any and all of the photos the guys have sitting around!!! Trapper's wife and kids, Frank's mom, BJ's photo of Peg and Erin- even the pinups Hawkeye and Trapper had!

17 . ah we’ve been waiting for this one . favorite episode ? if you can’t pick , how bout top three - ish ?

My toxic trait is my favorite episodes probably change depending on what I've watched recently.

I think "Quo Vadis Captain Chandler" is my all time favorite, but "BJ Papa San" and "OR" also make the very long list of some of my favorite eps!!!

[onekisstotakewithme]

Ally I would love to know your top 5 BJ-centric episodes of MASH -ypq

ough. but SURE. that's my favourite guy, my pink bitch named b(reakfast)j.

criminal that the writers did not actually create a lot of BJ centric episodes that really feel like BJ centric episodes. Or even just a lot of BJ centric episodes, Yk? I know they struggled with writing for him bc valid, but come onnnn guys... ok. okay. i'm cool.

Dear Peggy (could I pick anything other than 'two pages since i told you i loved you...'?)

Oh, How We Danced

B.J Papa San (I agree with you, dad of all dads of all time...)

The Party (it counts if he kicks off the plot right?? right?? i know, i know, this is an ensemble).

Hepatitis.... which isn't BJ-focused, he gets maybe a C-plot, but i just like when he's showing off his 'top ten every time he graduated' 'can perform a surgery from a manual' smarts. i love that guy.

[thebreakfastgenie]

One of my biggest issues with BJ as a character is the inconsistency in when he's willing to get involved. In Souvenirs, the pilot flat-out tells them someone else will just take up his business, and BJ and Hawkeye both take the position of "at least we hopefully stopped some kids from going into minefields." In Preventive Medicine, BJ derisively tells Hawkeye "you treated a symptom" and incorrectly suggests Hawkeye's efforts were futile because the war didn't end, even though Hawkeye achieved his goal of removing the colonel from command, and the casualties at the end were unrelated. Maybe BJ is willing to commit fraud to ground a pilot but not to commit medical malpractice. That's reasonable! But that's why the ending of Preventive Medicine is bad; BJ makes the wrong argument.

BJ is dismissive of Hawkeye's hopeless cause in Back Pay until the very end, but finds a hopeless cause of his own in Death Takes a Holiday, and arguably in BJ Papa San as well. The gesture in Death Takes a Holiday is a purely symbolic one, and losing their father on the day after Christmas is probably only marginally better than losing him on Christmas. But BJ's pursuit is noble and immediately supported, whereas when Hawkeye wants to make a symbolic gesture BJ says he's tilting at windmills.

Does BJ like symbolic anti-war gestures and efforts that hopefully save just a few lives, or does he think they're a waste of time and energy? It depends on the episode, and there aren't clearly defined circumstances to explain what makes each case different in his mind.