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Rewrite Salem?
Okay, this is a good one! Keep in mind, not all of this is concrete for any firm plan, I'm kind of just spit balling here. Also, you can't really rewrite Salem without rewriting some of Oz, so I'll be putting some of his backstory here, but I got an Oz ask too, so there will be more Oz stuff coming.
So first, alterations to the backstory. I firmly believe less fantasy villains should be victims of abuse and should instead be the rich and powerful, so to start things off, instead of having Salem start out as a damsel in distress trapped in a tower, I would have her instead be the spoiled second daughter of a very wealthy king. She was raised with high manners and instructed to support her more rambunctious elder sister who was set to inherit the throne (also I'd give Salem red eyes from the start and change her look, but I'm bad at art, so I can't make an example of that.) Salem and Oz would actually be lifelong friends and I'd make him the child of the captain of the guard, and it would be Salem's sister and Oz that actually had feelings for each other. Along with Salem's sister, they would have spent their childhood together, unaware of a growing conflict between their kingdom and the adjacent one. Right before Salem's sister was set to ascend the throne (the sister eighteen, Oz seventeen, and Salem sixteen,) the other kingdom attacked, and Salem's sister and father died, leaving Salem and Oz both devastated, and Oz ran from the conflict, while Salem was left alone to ascend the throne herself, pushed into an all out war she'd known nothing about as a teenager. While Oz was off adventuring, the war grew bigger, and Salem was growing colder and more paranoid, and becoming ruthless in the actions she'd take to end the conflict. After five years of war, Salem led her kingdom to victory and full on conquered the other kingdom, and Oz came back now that things were peaceful. Salem welcomed him, taking him on as a royal advisor, and Oz saw some bad signs in her, but since he wasn't around for the war, he justified it and convinced himself he was wrong and Salem was basically his family and he loved her. But meanwhile with the war ended, Salem felt dissatisfied at just getting justice and revenge for her dead family and decided to bring them back. This is what leads her on her quest to the God of Light and then when he rejects her to the God of Darkness. Oz knows of her plan and tries to talk her out of it, but goes along with her anyway. GoD tells her that toying with life and death is dangerous, but when she flatters and lies to him that he was the only one she could come to, he does bring them back just like with Oz in the OG. GoL finds out and has his 'I said no' tantrum, and he and the GoD start fighting about it, but then the two brothers work things out and realize Salem lied to GoD and decide that the solution to their problem is rectifying the situation by removing the thing they were in conflict over. They kill Salem's sister and father again, and warn Salem that if she steps out of line again, the consequences will be bad. Just like in Canon, Salem starts rallying people against the gods, though since she's not immortal yet, she's doing it purely through her intelligence, her will, and her charisma Edelgard style. Ozpin thinks it's a bad idea and once again advises Salem to stop (not because he likes the gods or anything but because he knows how dangerous it is to go against them,) and once again Salem doesn't listen, so Oz decides that in order to stop the war the gods would be sure to punish everyone for, he should tell GoL what Salem is doing so he can put a stop to it before it goes bad. He begs for mercy for Salem and explains how her losses have affected her, and GoL thanks him and sends him away, and proceeds to tell GoD about it and GoD does what he does in canon and wipes out humanity and destroy part of the moon, and the brothers then curse Salem with immortality as a punishment for turning against them. But GoL spares Oz since he told him about Salem's plans, and gives him the "gift" of "life" (meaning his reincarnating into hosts) and the quest to purge the world of evil so that when the Relics are united, they'll come back and judge the world and all that.
With the world as Salem knew it gone and her oldest friend supposedly dead along with it, Salem throws herself into the Grimm pits like in canon in an attempt to die, turns all grimmified just like in canon. But she can't, so she kind of just gives up.
But when Oz is brought back to the new world unaware of his own new immortality, he's like "fuck the gods" and goes back to Salem because he obviously doesn't trust the gods after what they just did (btw, my version of things would be very anti-the-gods.) And in my version of things, he straight up tells Salem about the quest the gods gave him and how reuniting the relics would bring them back. The only thing he keeps from her is that he's the one who told the gods about it in the first place. Salem is reinvigorated by the news and suggests that they try to "remove all evil in the world" like the gods want by faking at being gods themselves, and Oz is reluctant but agrees. However, he quickly starts seeing all the red flags he had ignored like five times worse. At first, he tried to talk to Salem and work things out, and starts seeing that 'being a god' isn't helping anything and is just helping Salem sink more into her bad tendencies. Then one day Salem starts expressing how unhappy she is with all the "evil" humans who make their quest impossible, and she starts talking about how if only she could bring back the magical people of their time and rebuild her father's kingdom instead of "keeping these mortals," they could fix everything. And Oz is like "whoa, pump the breaks" and starts really fighting with her about it. During their fight, he accidentally lets slip that he's the one who told the gods about her plan to bring them down in the first place, and Salem gets all furious and betrayed and decides that he's the reason for all the bad things she's suffered, and they start actually physically fighting and she kills him like in canon. Oz realizes his curse when he resurrects into an unwilling mind and body, but meanwhile Salem starts up a new cult where she starts rallying people again, and does start trying to like, wage war and rebuild the world in the image of her father's kingdom. Oz starts trying to fight her and stop her, and at first tries to reason with her and redeem her but she isn't having it.
They go back and forth like this for a few hundred years before finally Salem decides to throw in the towel and decide if she can't have the perfect world she wants, then she'd rather destroy the world she sees as evil and hopeless, and she starts trying to actively make the world worse while she tries to find the Relics to bring the gods back in the hopes they'll destroy everything and either start all over so she can cultivate the new world in her image, or just kill her along with everyone and be done with it. Oz starts fighting her in the shadows too, and this continues for like three thousand years. Salem's cult stays alive, though it's very small and also works in the shadows, and Salem also starts attempting to bring back magic through procreation, having kids every now and again with people that have very powerful semblances. And every time she can, she tries to find Oz and imprison until he dies because she doesn't want him in her way. But, Oz has had the upper hand after creating the Guardians (Maidens in my AU, because unnecessarily genderlocking powers is weird,) and especially for the past like five hundred years or so after establishing the Kingdoms and the councils and the Hunter schools, where he was able to hide the Relics. And that's forced Salem and her cult to be extra careful and reevaluate.
So now that backstory is out of the way, fast forward to Ruby's time. Salem and her faction (which is currently like twenty five to thirty odd cult members) basically do a lot of the things they do in canon only it will be more planned. Salem sets her sights on taking down the four kingdoms and specifically the four hunter schools one at a time while sewing as much discourse as possible. She seeks out the powers of the four maidens to get her the Relics so she can unite them and destroy the world. The specifics would be a little different especially when we got to Atlas Era, but by and large, her goal would be the same.
As for personality, I would go a bit more Edelgard from FE meets Rhea also from FE than the slow talking attempt at a sexy Voldemort they have. Salem would be harsh, cold, and ruthless, but all with a charisma and an ability to talk people around and present what she wants as good and just, because she herself would truly believe it's good and just. I would make her pretty calm as a rule, with the ability to get angry, but not really have any fits of temper, and she would be above all bored. Oz explores real connection, creativity, and progress through his long life, whereas Salem only wallows, destroys, and uses people, so unlike him, she has nothing fulfilling to pass the time. So she winds up just like, bored all the time, and that leads her to doing things just to see what would happen, and honestly just not feel very deeply in general. Salem as a villain would represent the opposite of Ruby. Ruby (if I was rewriting things) would see the good in people, would believe in hope for the future, and that people could always get better, and she would find meaning in life and be determined to keep moving forward. Salem instead would believe people are nothing but beasts, defined by their evil, believes no good will ever come of anything, that people can't get better, and as I said before, believes the only 'meaning' in life is uselessly prolonging the inevitable destruction, and only ever looks back.
So, yeah. Not a lot of intense rewriting from the original, but I like the different backstory. Hope this was an interesting read!
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Raven Branwen
Race: Raven Human
Nationality: Between Kingdoms, Anima
Ethnicity: Mistrali
Weapon: Omen
Gender: Woman
Sexuality: Bisexual
Starting Age: 35
Aura Color: Red
Handedness: Right
Complexion: Pale white
Eye color: Red
Semblance: Kindred Link (A highly unconventional Transportation semblance that creates wormholes using the users Aura shield as a conduit. It can only create portals next to people the user has formed an unbreakable emotional bond with.)
Occupation: Branwen Bandit Chief, Spring Maiden
The older twin of the Branwen siblings, Raven was the daughter of the current chief, but this did not make her heiress. She, or her brother would have to earn that honor be becoming the strongest members of the tribe. She completed all the rituals; Be abandoned and Find Your Way Back to the Tribe; Taste the Spilled Blood of Humans just like Grimm; Steal the Breath of an Entire Village; Slay The Nevermore and Become The Nevermore. Then, the last task was given to Raven and Qrow, a new task... enter a huntsmen school to learn how to kill huntsmen. She and her brother did this, but then something completely unexpected happened. Raven fell in love. Not just with her teammates, not just with the world outside her tribe, but with her true soulmate who showed her that there was more to the world than simple strength... and then Raven "woke" up. Her life was a lie, created by a man that was not a man. She had to escape her cage, return to the wild, return to her flock. She couldn't bring her friends, they wouldn't understand. She couldn't bring her daughter, she needed to complete her trials, find her own way back to the clan. She could not bring Qrow back because he was weak and a fool. I had no choice, and I made the right decision Yang.
Take the lives of those you need...
#working overtime to flesh out the Branwen tribe#also giving Raven more Pyrrha parallels#I think Raven truly becoming better only to fall back into her old ways is what works best for her#and the reason Raven fell backwards was because of Ozpin lol#rwde#rwby fix it fic#rwby rewrite#rwby au#raven branwen#unrelated but I think making Russel a member of the Branwen tribe would be really funny#Qrow wouldn't recognize him because he hasn't been to the tribe in years#Yang was beating up someone from the tribe the whole time she was at Beacon lol#rwby 14
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Also the "oh you just like Adam and that's why you hate the show" asks are hilarious because like...my ideas for "Adam" in my rewrite draft would most likely piss off majority of Adam stans LMAO.
#rwby#rwde#rwby au#rwby rewrite#can y'all tell yet that I don't like him LOL#Seriously tho there's absolutely ZERO ways to make him a “good guy”#And if you give Blake a PROPER ARC that only involves further establishing him as awful#because yeah I absolutely have no doubts that Adam does not believe in the “cause” and just uses that to have power and control#Between all the implications and personality and history and all the hurt he inflicted there's no happy end for him possible EVER#Adam's role is to be thoroughly and consciously rejected both by characters and by the setting and by the ideals he perverts
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Fandom Woes Part 1: Big Entertainment Fandoms and their War on Creative Minds
I feel like I need to revamp my points it’s about what I perceive to be a problem with modern fandom, and the first issue is its hostility to creative dissent, especially in form of original works or fanfiction.
It seems that fandoms, Anti-RWDE in this case, have decided how story they liked handled a concept or idea is law and appointed themselves as the police force to enforce said laws, all proclaiming to defend those they deem worthy of the title “creator” while harassing those the perceived as “bullshit artists” I guess and feel have offended them and those they defend. And these people seem to be waging an ideological conquest of creative thinking in fears of becoming irrelevant.
For example, I explained how I was upset with RWBY the tragic ending of Pyrrha Nikos and her romantic relation with Jaune, and other characters and parings, Sun and Blake, Ren and Nora, Weiss and Neptune, and Ruby and Oscar, all who I dreaded would end up on the chopping block next.
I said how I felt they should have been couples who endured consequences and raised steaks, but they should have been allowed to survive through them, rather than losing each other driving the other forward kinda like Ed and Winry and Roy and Riza from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.
Or at least they could as a different set of characters in a different epic fantasy story.
That, and recently in retrospect, I’ve been looking at RWBY, it’s characters, and world, the ships I wanted, and what they could have been, some involves radical changes, minor changes, heavily different world building, using my Catholic faith as well as my own fictional universe as a basis.
Right now it’s a heavily reimagined RWBY AU part of a fan fiction multiverse which is mostly experimental, idk I can put up with the likes of Syto-kun’s RWBY Remnants, or Celtic Pyro's Fixing RWBY, but I might make it into an original story, Hell, I might even do both, the former first so I can see what other changes I might need to make,
Now as of recently I’ve discovered a Discord Server which I can discuss these things with other RWBY fans, most of who are also disillusioned with Canon RWBY, in a civil manner. Some agree with me, some don’t, but we all act in respect and good faith and we give each other the benefit of the doubt for our disagreements because we all deeply care about epic story-telling.
But In the past with the Anti-RWDE of the RWBY fandom, or whatever you want to call this a toxic minority, I got from was not honest disagreement, but rather disgust, abhorrence, and sneering.
I was sat down and lectured by toxic individuals how raised steaks and consequences forbid such things now, reading posts about Pyrrha and the likes of her and Jaune were only fit for tragic endings because “that's the kind of character she is.” as well these loyalists aggrandizing themselves for liking it mocking others like me with things like
"LMAO Holy Shit, you guys wouldn't like Madoka Magica" as if that was a problem
or "Lol go watch RWBY Chibi"
They resorted to passive aggressive judgment, gaslighting, and superior sarcasm at best, ranting and vicious chastisement at worst. Telling me I should trash my desires and ideas and just go watch Disney, Marvel, Romcoms, and Sitcoms instead.
They told me I was acting smug and superior and arrogant for doing a rewrite/reimagining AU or an original story in response how RWBY was handled, that what I did was inherently malicious and hostile towards Monty, and this attitude seems to come from a lot of loyalist fans who like things the way they are, and in my opinion think a little too highly of themselves for liking things that others don’t, but that’s an argument for another day.
Let me give an hypothetical example for their logic
Let's say among the Gurren Laggan and One Piece fanbase, there's a vocal minority of fanatics think that characters like Kamina and Portgas D. Ace and characters like them could only end in death to drive the characters and story forward and nobody was allowed to actively disagree with that, until Trigger recycled Kamina and Yoko as Galos and Aina respectively in Promare(though I think they recycled Kamina for Kill La Kill as Aikuro Mikisugi)
Then it was okay for small-time creative people, fanfic writers or indie writers, to do it.
Before then, doing that was seen as “hostile” towards “creators” which they mean those who they deem worthy of the title, and they uphold as the law of epic fiction. Or at the very least, until then, it was seen as stupid and uninteresting.
That's what it seemed like to me, and I could be wrong
But it just came off as off obtuse and narrow-minded at best akin to Professor Membrane from Invader Zim, narcissistic and disingenuous at worst akin to Claude Frollo from Disney's The Hunchback of Notre Dame combined with blind consumerist loyalty to big business whether it be western entertainment or anime studios.
Now I’ve spoken to other people and my friends and others, all who mean well, one person who’s been more patient with me than she should have, who told me I might just have to disengage from the source material since I admitted it won’t change canon RWBY and how I am unhappy with it, and friends who said I should let RWBY go because it’s causing me too much grief while another assumed I wanted no adversity and struggle and wanted it to be all fluffy because I didn’t want mentioned ships ending tragically, and I think I came off as hostile
And I feel like this is more due to my failure to articulate my points, I’m not exactly the best at doing that.
And I don’t want the rest of the RWBY Fandom, RWDE or sane neutral fans to misunderstand me, mostly due to my last reblog I got too heated and not made my point clear
I’m not saying the direction RWBY went with V3 or Pyrrha and the rest of the cast being tragic in some way or another is objectively bad, it was just not my taste
And I am not saying every normal RWBY fan/RWDE person who liked it is an elitist about it nor are all of them trying to insult me and attack me personally or say my ideas are bad but rather help you guys understand my experience with the toxic strain of the fanbase.
and I am not trying to change canon or its “trajectory” , nor am I doing this to spite Monty, especially when I never knew the guy. This is a difference in handling ideas and concepts.
I’m doing my RWBY AU, which will most likely be revamped into an original story since it takes a whole different directions with the characters and world, but it's mostly because with post V3 and now in retrospect I saw what this world, characters, ships and other ideas could have been all in a story I believe is worth telling. And I was very disappointed and frustrated that it wasn’t along with my own personal exhaustion how epic storytelling has been going in several franchises.
I mean yeah it's also due to personal tastes and preferences and subjective feelings, at least I’ve been told, but I also try to integrate that in a meaningful way.
Everyone, big business or small time creators, should be allowed to take an idea and take it in a different direction, even if it comes from a place of disagreement and/or distaste.
That's one of the many ways inspiration works. Some of Tolkien’s own ideas came from his distaste how Shakespere handled the elves and his unhappiness that there were no talking and walking trees in Shakespere’s Macbeth, and the Valar Aule and his creation of the dwarves are akin to an anti-Prometheus.
I mean, what do Anti-Rwde and other toxic fans like them of other franchises expect us to do?
“Oh Ding-Dong-Diddly-Darn and Golly Gee Wally-Wilikers guess I gotta go watch another show and hope the storytelling gods give me what I exactly want next time, sure I saw a different story worth telling, but f*ck me I guess!”
I can only imagine how many small-time aspiring writers have been intimidated into giving up due to these petty rules these fanatics enforce, invoking the works and names of their appointed idols, even when said individuals and companies didn’t even ask them to in the first place.
It basically felt like to me was this, and I could been wrong here,
"Whatever you thought this story could have been, the world, characters, what ships you wanted, how it all could have played out, its awful, worthless ,and uninteresting and there's something wrong with you for thinking and subjectively feeling that, so you gotta throw it all in the trash unless those we deem worthy of being 'creators' do it first or you bend over backwards for us, and we might let create what you want. Otherwise, you're only allowed to use inspiration from source material you 100% agree with or else your being malicious and not a true storyteller.”
And then they used what they liked, whether it be Arkos ending tragically and the dark direction post V3 or Bumbleby over Black Sun in V9, as an opportunity to aggrandize themselves, flaunt their tastes and what they also like and mock and sneer at everyone else who’s unhappy and force their preferences onto said dissidents. All for what seemed like to me for pride, moral superiority, and social currency.
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and they would turn around and lecture you for being entitled, smug, superior and smelling your own farts.
And once again, this isn’t directed at sane fans and RWDE who liked these things for honest reasons and objective analysis, you guys are fine and this is not towards you, its to help you guys understand where I'm coming from.
And from what I've heard, there's someone amongst the anti-rwde/rwby rewrite by the name of LilithFairen who used this to attack Fixing RWBY RWBY and Madoka Magica and fans of the latter.
While I don't like Gen Urobuchi's work myself and Fixing RWBY sounds too dark for me, I do not condone her behavior. Bullying behavior is not justified wether be based on objectively good storytelling or personal/subjective feelings or personal taste/distaste.
My grief is with a toxic contingent with fandom, who seem conceited, self-righteous, and self-absorbed that they think what they like, from broad things like lighthearted to grimmdark to nitty-gritty details like concepts and what direction they go, are the objective end-all-be-all law of epic fiction.
The only exception they'll make is those they admire who they see as the lawgivers who can write and repeal these "laws" and then once again appoint themselves as the police force to enforce these laws onto the peasants who they believe are obligated to be obedient to their will.
People who have less wealth power than those they claim to defend.
This certainly has happened on the opposite side of the spectrum in the past.
With the Gmod community I used to be a part of in, the toxic among the My Little Pony fandom of Gmod flaunted the success of MLP and championed themselves as the avatars of friendship and accused anyone who didn’t like the show or aspects about it, especially due to personal taste and subjective feelings as those who hated friendship. And I've heard horror stories in regards to the Steven Universe Fandom.
And for a while, individuals like these on both sides of the light and dark spectrum had managed to get away with this.
Until, there’s been a growing audience who’s been tired with Big Entertainment, and choosing between what seemed to me either pure grimmdark or pure lighthearted
People who these individuals had at best, dismissed as the minority, and perhaps we were for a while.
But from my perspective, that changes over the years, it's a natural swing of the pendulum.
Now that's not to say an objectively well written story can withstand that, that's what critics are for, and neither does it mean subjective and personal feelings and tastes/distastes should be disregarded either, but all of this is for another topic for another day.
Until recently, many creative writers and audiences were limited to companies and corporations who’s mandates in creating works was very limited, and many stories, while didn’t follow these standards, were not well planned out and executed. Sword Art Online being my personal example.
Not to mention, in the past fan fiction was also seen as a joke due to teenager fan fiction stereotypes and the likes of 50 Shades of Grey.
Thus, making any contesting ideas against the status quo seem inherently bad and keeping any dissident voices in zones of restrictive dissent.
But the world isn’t like that anymore.
With people becoming increasingly disillusioned with the likes of Hollywood, Fanfiction has been getting significant amount of attention as well there being a bold new movement of storytellers going indie, and with new effective online indie platforms from webcomics, to novels, kickstarter and indiegogo, and the likes of YouTube all of which are also getting attention, and challenging or at least contrasting certain ideas and concepts from other works in epic fiction or how they are handled, all without the Anti-RWDE’s authorization.
In other words, creative individuals no longer need to bend over backwards to publish their visual stories on effective platforms.
Which, at least what it seems to me, makes these toxic individuals realize that epic fiction and its handling of certain kinds of concepts, characters, tropes, characters, worlds, and ships, right down to their ultimate fates, do not revolve solely around their terms or at least the terms of those they worship. Which in turn makes them insecure and upset.
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So I have a message to Anti-RWDE and other zealot fans of these franchises who do this
Like it or not, and whether you agree with them or not, these dissident fans and creators are your only equal in this equation.
The fact you would resort to your little manipulative games and would even go so far as to suck up those who you deem worthy of the title “creator” and have more power and wealth than we do to enforce these stupid rules puts you all a significant step away from your peers.
Which might sound inconsequential to you now, but in the long run will hurt you all, gravely.
because one day some of these dissidents will use that they liked and what they wanted to create fantastical epics in various indie formats(novels, webcomics, YouTube web-series, etc) or AU FanFiction, or most likely both
Whether the inspiration comes from a place of agreement or dissent
And when you come along to sneer at it and accuse it being “hostile” and “leeching off” other creators because its inspiration came from a place of disagreement, especially without any analytical evidence, you’ll end up enraging the audiences of those works, who might have been dissident and disappointed fans of the works you enjoy, and are now finally getting works that resonate to their tastes both broad things like lighthearted, grimmdark, or something in the middle and nitty gritty like concepts and what directions they go.
And they’ll remember how you mocked, lectured, gaslit and policed them and told them what they wanted was “uninteresting” and inherently “malicious” towards those you deem worthy of the title “creators”, and how you went so far as to suck up to “The Man” to do so.
I’m a Catholic, I’m taught revenge is sinful, but the other reality is that some people aren't as graceful as others, and those people may decide to give you a taste of your own medicine.
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Those “creators" aren’t gonna be there to help you when that happens, I guarantee it.
Because most of them don’t care about this whole ordeal, and might even be completely unaware of it, nor do they know who you are.
So maybe instead of jumping to broad accusations, bad faith, and intentionally misinterpreting what people are saying and their thoughts and subjective feelings, and assume this creative disagreement is inherently hostile, smug, and malicious, all without any evidence, you ask constructive questions or just disagree honestly instead.
Because of your only intention is to suppress alternative ideas, preferences, thoughts, and feelings along with lecturing everyone and silence a discussion of such things because they come from a place of disagreement and displeasure, especially when you say “It’s not gonna change canon”, then you should be the first person to walk away from the debate.
Because let’s say what we had in mind is just pandering, and nobody in would find it interesting, along with considering the fact whatever we do “wont change canon” of the stories you enjoy
With all things considered, then I dare ask, what are you doing in our conversations?
Why are you getting mad and jumping into our discussions?
Why are you trying to control what we create and enjoy, especially because we disagreed how something was handled?
Either we make a reimagined AU fanfic, or recycle what we liked and wanted for our original works.
Either way, as you said it yourself, it won’t change canon, people don’t find it interesting, and it’s only pandering to people who you seem to not like, so why are you inserting yourself into our discussions in the first place?
If we are making it your problem, how are we? Because we created something in disagreement how certain ideas and concepts were handled and we put it out there and it’s getting attention? Is someone making you consume our stuff?
Because from where I'm standing, you guys are the ones going out of your way to make it your problem, which in turn you use to justify in your mind what you do to other people.
Because you want to control and suppress what us poor people create and enjoy as well as control and suppress what we think and subjectively feel. Which is at best, very weird.
We're trying to do our own thing, and you're trying to control other people.
If you truly believe what you like is the end-all-be-all and transcends all of this and you yourself are superior for liking these things, then do yourself a favor, save yourself the time and energy, and get out of our tags, servers, and conversations.
Just move along and continue to enjoy whatever those you deem worthy to be “creators”
These types of fans of RWBY, and MCU, Star Wars, and any other franchise for that matter need to take that advice
“It’s not gonna change canon, it’s not for you, disengage from the material, and move on”
Because that advice only works, when you are fine when things are going
See the irony there?
If you’re fine the way it's going, and someone is actively disagreeing with it, especially through creative works…
“It’s not gonna change canon, it’s not for you, disengage from the material, and move on”
Just do not insert yourself into this.
Just mind your own business, and just gossip about it in your own groups, tags, and forums.
Be that indifferent, loyal, and culturally and morally superior overman/overwoman that you just love to position yourself as in these discussions and leave us alone.
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Hey, Salty again, just speaking from my experience RWBY Stan’s last time I watched the show seemed to ghoulishly praised Pyrrha’s death while making theories for who would die next, now hearing about them complaining Fixing RWBY is too dark(granted it doesn’t sound like something of my taste either) is kinda odd.
It seems their taste in tone just changes with whatever the show runners decide. But I could be wrong
I was never part of the early days of the RWBY fandom, so hearing about that is interesting. I never liked the show from the start, so I just didn't watch it, but so many friends watched it that I eventually had a sort of 'if you can't beat em, join em' moment but took to interacting with a critically creative side of the fandom. Because I like rewrites and hypotheticals. Really gets the creative juices flowing.
It's kinda weird, yeah. I don't think FRWBY is all that much darker than what is implied off screen or in supplementary materials. It's just that FRWBY actually shows what the show is too cowardly to portray, which makes it hard to really feel the gravity of the situation. I didn't know people besides Penny and Pyrrha died during V3 for instance, but apparently a book confirmed it?
It really feels that RWBY as a show had its stakes raised and people's expectations along with it, then get punished when their expectations for the future are killed, and some of the 'stan' portion of the fandom mock people for having a very normal reaction to it because they want to criticize RWDE. Dipping my toe into the RWBY community has been very wild and interesting, a show of how mundane reactions, conversations, fandom interaction, even, is suddenly considered toxic and evil.
What is your tastes, btw? I was thinking about my writing and my novel, as I always do a little bit of a comparison whenever I think about writing and critique, and I was thinking my stuff might be too dark as well if there's an issue with FRWBY being too dark lol
It looks like this blog is for your creative works. I hope to see what you do soon! Looks like you have big plans ^^
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Did anyone consider, I don’t know, talking to me personally before writing an analysis on “why I’ve turned out the way I have”, or is it just me that thinks maybe that would be a good idea?
Usually I wouldn’t go out of my way to comment on things like this, but it’s always weird to be a person who lives a relatively normal life (going to University, working part-time jobs, etc) and seeing people on Tumblr go back and forth about you without even speaking to you first (except for Ashely, who has the only post with information in this string that is entirely 100% true). I know this is a normal thing for big YouTubers but considering I’m not this giant 100,000 subscriber YouTuber, it’s still weird to see people psycho-analyzing me and using me as some sort of prop for their analysis posts about RWDE/FNDM stuff.
So for the record:
In Terms of Swap’s initial post:
Remember, Calxiyn wasn’t always a bigoted RWDE,
What exactly makes me a “bigoted” RWDE? What about our videos, since the Cinder Rewrite, has shown any bigotry? I wouldn’t even consider myself RWDE in the first place, because I’m still a big fan of the show, but is someone automatically bigoted because they are also in “RWDE”? What is the reason for this lol. Is it being friends with some of the critical RWBYTubers? Because if you really paid attention you’d know I don’t interact with the ACTUAL bigoted ones (like AA, who has a documented history of saying shit that is actually horrible).
she was bullied out of leftist communities because ONE anti-crit accused her of being an Ironwood stan when her rewrite of Cinder’s backstory showed that Atlas’ societal issues predated him.
There’s a nugget of truth in this, but I still think the post is greatly exaggerated. I do think this is a real, documented issue inside and outside of FNDM. People who care about social justice are run out of certain communities online for not being “good enough” “aware enough” or for being ignorant about certain things, even if we are part of the groups we are fighting for (Being genderfluid, bisexual, having ‘AuDHD’ etc) and willing to own up to our own ignorance. Marginalized people who are not speaking with malicious intent and are willing to learn are held to much higher scrutiny and are quicker to be attacked than their non-marginalized counterparts. I’ve always felt that Hunter and I have unfairly gotten a lot more shit compared to a lot of the male/straight RWBYTubers. The Ironwood stan thing isn’t even true in the first place, as OP said, but yeah, with other things, I think it’s been a real problem.
But still I don’t consider myself ‘bullied out’ of anywhere. Especially not because of one person or a handful of people. It was incredibly annoying, but it hasn’t stopped us from being in the community/making videos or writing 100,000 word RWBY fanfiction.
She became a bigoted RWDE because the RWDEs were the only people willing to support her after she was cancelled over a bad faith reading of something she wrote for fun to show her love for RWBY. She LOVED the show until the fandom ruined it for her.
It’s just a cartoon, it’s not worth ruining someone’s life over.
I... appreciate the sentiment? But this also just isn’t true. The Cinder rewrite was well received among my usual audience. It has a 96.5% like to dislike ratio. Though I agree with the sentiment you shouldn’t ruin people’s life over a show, I wouldn’t consider myself cancelled, or that my life was ‘ruined’. It’s also not true that only “RWDEs” were “willing to support me” I’m still friends with ThatKaitoDan, Jeremy, RWBYTuber Arryn (who works on the SHOW, like...). They were the ones at my birthday party stream the past week. MurderOfBirds is still my boyfriend (though apparently some people think he’s RWDE now too, so maybe that doesn’t matter). Point being, there was no mass exodus of positive RWBYTubers from my life, or exodus of my regular RWBY fan viewers. There was just a stink about it on Tumblr for people who have probably never even seen my videos anyway, and already don’t want to give Hunter and I a chance. So I try not to let it get to me, because people who aren’t willing to make up their own mind, decide for themselves if they like what Hunter and I have to say etc, aren’t worth it.
I’m not even going to bother replying to Lilith in that much detail because they made this post about themselves for no reason. It was CanonSeeker and another person on Tumblr that I can’t even remember who started the Ironwood apologist thing. However, I want to know how I have a tendency to “White wash” when Lilith tried pulling a ‘gotcha’ on multiple critics like EF and Vexed for being “Straight white men criticizing x or y” when EF is Asian, and Vex is Black. Vexed especially got a lot of shit for criticizing the White Fang plot line a few years ago, “as a white man” - even from other “positive” White RWBYTubers, and people didn’t call out those White RWBYTubers for speaking over a Black man until Arnold and I pointed it out. But anyway.
Who have I Whitewashed? Is this about a character or IRL people? What gets me about these posts is that there are no sources for anything and no one is questioning where any of this is coming from. You’re just supposed to know all the lore, I guess.
In regards to EF, though: I don’t think one cringey, stupid joke makes you a deeply rooted bigot. I think the “swapping crotch snot” thing is childish, but I also don’t think it’s homophobic. The sentiment of “swapping spit” or “swapping (NSFW fluid)” is not something that is exclusive to a sapphic pairing. Hunter and I have jokingly talked about characters being too busy “getting dicked down” or “sticking their dick in crazy” to do x or y (like, a character is too busy being thirsty to see the danger right in front of them in an anime/show). I’m pretty sure people have, even people who worked on the show, have joked about Ozpin sticking his dick in crazy. That doesn’t mean we’re some puritans who hate sex, are slut shaming, or that those people are victim blaming (in the case of Ozpin and Salem in V6 for example). Now if there’s something else he did or said I don’t know about, that’s a different story, but I don’t think this one thing he said makes him a bigot or hateful. If he’d say it about a straight couple, which I’m pretty sure he also did (about Ozpin?), and people have an equal issue with that, fine, maybe he’s an equal opportunity asshole. But he’s not a homophobe. First and foremost, I think people should be defined on how they treat real LGBT+ people - and I don’t interact with EF outside of RTX, but I think someone who was genuinely hateful wouldn’t be as respectful in private in the conversations we’ve had about things like identity/relationships/pronouns etc. Especially when as a giant channel he has more power - if he was really a jerk, he wouldn’t have to “put up appearances” in private to someone with less than half his sub count. He could just be a jerk and get away with it. But I think it’s important to note, people like CanonSeeker say I “constantly defend EF” when it was really just this one time when someone had said something obscene to ME directly about me being with him at RTX. If the critics do something wrong, I’m gonna call them out. I already unfollowed FMF because his edge toward RWBY fans (like the person who was showing the show to their roommate) was getting too annoying for me. I’m not a doormat who is just accepting all these horrible things because that’s all I have left. If something bothers me, or if I think something is wrong, I do something about it.
I was referring to canonseeker, who stalked Calxiyn on Discord via multiple alt accounts to punish her for writing a rewri, and was only caught because they accidentally used the wrong “character” with the wrong account.
In case you ever wondered why Calxiyn kept accusing you of being canonseeker’s alt, the answer is paranoia born from personal experience and psychological trauma.
That doesn’t excuse her actions at all, but the fact that a large part of the fandom sided with her stalker and abuser simply because they were defending the show while she was perceived as bashing it is a large part of the reason WHY she turned out the way she did.
In terms of this, yeah, I would say that’s all accurate. Not even mentioning that CanonSeeker is still spreading lies about Hunter and I being bigoted/queerphobic and whatever else (which is actively dangerous for us as LGBT+ people).
But I also still think this is an over-exaggeration. Hunter and I are still here, we still love the show. We covered IQ, we’ve done videos since the Cinder Rewrite. I wrote a 100,000 word RWBY fanfic over the spring. I don’t know where this “turned out the way she did” thing is even coming from - we’ve been making the exact same content we’ve always had, albeit, not as often because I’m a University student in a super intense program, and the hiatus has left things a little dry.
The reason why I wrote all this out is more-so because, has anyone actually like, considered the fact that they could join my Discord Server and talk to me like a normal person, and ask me about this things? Because these posts seem more like people want to use “Calxiyn” as more of a prop or a “concept”, an object to further their own point about RWDE/Anti-RWDE, or whatever. Like half of this is just over-exaggerated fanfiction about how I was “bullied out of the FNDM” and I “wasn’t always like this” (do you want to fix me or something OP? lol. Because this sort of feels like a ‘I could fix her’ post). Like I’m not an actual person who has any opinions on any of this, but just the face of “positive RWBYTuber fell from grace and entered the clutches of the awful HDTM” - and even with nuggets of truth, everything else is just made up to fit in with the narrative y’all already want.
So... thanks? But I’d also appreciate you to... not. I can’t tell you what to do but I think I’ve made it pretty clear why you shouldn’t do it, given that half of these things y’all are perceiving me to feel, I feel, are not even true.
For the record, I consider the zealous anti-crits to be just as toxic as the RWDEs, mostly due to the very blatant ableism and hatred of anyone who they think isn't dedicated ENOUGH to the show.
Remember, Calxiyn wasn't always a bigoted RWDE, she was bullied out of leftist communities because ONE anti-crit accused her of being an Ironwood stan when her rewrite of Cinder's backstory showed that Atlas' societal issues predated him.
She became a bigoted RWDE because the RWDEs were the only people willing to support her after she was cancelled over a bad faith reading of something she wrote for fun to show her love for RWBY. She LOVED the show until the fandom ruined it for her.
It's just a cartoon, it's not worth ruining someone's life over.
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just saw a take in the anti-rwde tag so bad i had a whole allergic reaction /hj
it was about how rewrites are NEVER good because it ignore's the writers' work, and that if you make rewrites you never actually enjoyed the content.
like okay, i guess AU writers hate the content they pull from! because AUs do technically count as rewrites, just probably not what OP was thinking of (*cough* fixing rwby *cough*). actually, technically all fanfics are rewrites to some degree! fuck it! everyone who writes fanfic is actively ignoring the writers' hard work! damn!
sorry for disagreeing, but i personally think making rewrites means you're more passionate than if you were to just passively consume the content you were given! because you're putting effort into ignored characters, dropped plot threads, unexplored worldbuilding and lore, etc.! who are you to judge if someone's way of appreciating content is wondering how things could have gone differently, expanding on what the writers' didn't pay attention to? there is NOTHING WRONG with wanting to rewrite something, whether it's because you're just curious about how things could go differently or if you're unsatisfied with what you got. hell, even the rewrites i HATE i still hold some respect for because damn, take it from someone who tried and gave up, making rewrites is HARDDDD, ESPECIALLY for a show like rwby with so many characters and other factors to take into consideration
anyway, sorry for ranting in your askbox lol, i'm just so....jesus christ that take made me MAD.
Hey anon! First off never EVER apologize for ranting in my inbox! I don’t mind, I know sometimes venting out your frustrations can help you feel better. I do that a lot on my blog when something annoys me so I get how therapeutic it can be.
Secondly I have never gone into the anti-rwde tag because I know I would die after a few posts. I will stick to the RWDE and James Ironwood tags where I belong lolZ.
Regarding the meat of this ask, holy shit I just- why just why? How can you look at a show like RWBY that regularly and actively takes things like themes and character arcs and say that someone making a rewrite doesn’t love the original subject? People don’t waste time on things they don’t care about. We have limited free time to do shit we’re not going to waste it working on a project that does absolutely nothing for us.
I have a morbid curiosity for what they think of AUs because how this person describes it, they should be even worse then rewrites because aus fundamentally completely overturn what the original work was. It’s all about taking the characters you love and plopping them in something completely different from their canon universes. It is literally about exploring the infinite possibilities that a universe holds. Personally I almost exclusively write in Aus in anything longer then a one or two shot. They’re just so much more interesting to me to explore because I love seeing how minor things change the bigger picture and what these characters do.
Hey you know everyone is allowed to have their own opinions and they literally don’t hurt anyone just like how rewrites and AU’s aren’t hurting anyone. They’re a way someone expresses their love for whatever it is the rewrite or Au is for just like fanart. Just because their are certain things one would change doesn’t mean they still don’t enjoy the base media the rewrite is for. Their is always something that we love in it what’s why we create for it.
I may not like every rewrite or au or whatever for any fandom I love but I still respect the work put into it because these fics take a lot of work and time and effort and writers do this for free. Their is no way to get any compensation for fic writing yet people do it anyways because they love the thing being written about and this is how they express that love. That whole sentiment is just insane for me and reeks of a mega fan refusing to understand that their precious show might not be perfect and that sometimes people might have a better idea for something. Or even if it isn’t it still has value and these mega fans are just wrong about it not having value. As I said it takes time and effort and people won’t waste time on something they don’t care about or enjoy it helps no one and trying to pretend otherwise is just insane to me.
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Realizing that while planning a "RWBY rewrite for just me to have fun" fic that I actually can just do things I want instead of conforming to what I think is 'the smartest choice' is actually freeing and idk why I wasn't planning the 'for me to have fun' fic for me to have fun before but yeah.
I don't want to kill off Jaune during the Fall of Beacon and instead want him to become a healer/support who takes a backseat to Ruby, so now that's part of my plan.
I don't want Pyrrha to die and I want everyone to think she's dead only for her to be alive later and for her to play a possible role in Emerald and Mercury's redemption, so now that's part of my plan.
I also want to bring Penny back in Atlas and want Roman to have survived the Fall of Beacon and wind up redeemed even though 'everyone who died is alive actually' would be a bad tiresome choice in real media.
I should cut down on the amount of characters that need attention, but I kinda want to keep Sun around, make Ciel a bigger part of things, make Whitley a bigger part of things, make May a bigger part of things so why the heck not?!
Kinda feel like the entire concept of main characters dropping into a different world separate from Remnant is a very bad idea that threw off the momentum of the main show and felt very disconnected and contrived, but also it would be a lot of fun for me to adapt it alongside some Coraline and Over the Garden Wall inspiration rather than Wonderland which I've never been that into. So you know what? I'm gonna put it in my plan!
Fun rewrite are supposed to be fun!
#when your post isn't really 'rwde' and you're like “how the hell am I supposed to tag this thing?” XD#Like I don't want to tag it for actual fans to see???#Because I'm a rwde poster and we're generally unwelcome#But like it IS about a rwby rewrite#so maybe it IS rwde??#anyway whatever lol
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More on "De-RWDEifying" headcanons... I feel like a lot of my headcanons are really hard to de-rwde lol. XD Like what, is someone going to take my headcanons about Tai being a present dad and Qrow acting like a second father to Yang and Ruby and take it away from the context of me thinking that RT sucked at portraying Tai as an absentee father? It's still fundamentally attached to disagreeing with what the writers did.
Is someone going to take my headcanons about Theadora Dott the headmistress of Shade Academy in Vacuo? That character literally is in direct defiance of the genderswapped Dorothy character Professor Theodore and she was originally invented in a 'V6 and onwards' rewrite and is super loyal to Oz because I love Oz and the show does not.
I have this headcanon that Neptune is actually gay and his behavior around women is an act, but that's literally because the gross men who wrote the show wrote Neptune into a gross dudebro of a character, and making him a gay man in my headcanons was part of my eye-rolling over their stupid misogynistic scene where Jaune 'graciously steps aside' and 'lets' another man go after his dreamgirl but it's okay because the perfect girl next store was in front of him the whole time.
Literally like so many of my headcanons only exist because I was unhappy with choices the writers made or filling in gaps that the writers left. You can't de-rwdeify that lol, and frankly I'm a little surprised that people who post anti-rwde stuff are even okay with headcanons. XD It seems like the kind of thing they'd typically dismiss as arrogant and presumptuous. XD
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