#bc it's not really my call to say what is and isn't a fair judgement or observation

[homosexuhauls]

gendercrits with no experience of trans/nonbinary identity, detransition/desistance etc, while perfectly able to make observations on misogyny, homophobia and racism in TQ+ circles...just inherently don't seem to "get" how differing trans and nonbinary communities view gender, and make a lot of damaging assumptions and judgement errors along the way

there's no way to stop this, everyone has their own opinions after all. but it's frustrating to see, as someone who has gone from being a "trans women are women" no-debate neoqueer to being a radfem. and no doubt it's much much worse for detransitioners, bearing the brunt of most of these presumptions

equally though, it's infuriating - as a former member of the queerios club - to see self-identified queers pulling the whole "that never happens" trick. don't bullshit me, kid, i was there, i witnessed it, i experienced it lol. guess the gays can just never win 🤷‍♀️

[minetteskvareninova]

You're missing the point of that post. It's not about slut shaming and it's not some weird double standard against Rhaenyra & Targaryens. Its the fact that politically, Rhaenyra could've avoided everything very easily but chose not too. Her making really poor choices bc of her entitlement that being Royal, Targaryen, and knowing the prophecy is a big part of her character. It's the fact that Targaryen Exceptionalism, Feudalism & Succession Crisises are really stupid ways of governance and only ruins those around them. This whole system is a house of cards that can be so easily broken simply over hair color. It's almost willful misreading to say it's about slut shaming.

But of course, and that uppity German Struensee would've gotten away with his reforms if only he could keep it in his pants innit Juliana

*sigh* For all of you who still didn't get it:

I used Carolina Mathilda as an example, because unlike book!Rhaenyra (jury's still out on show!Rhaenyra, I honestly get SOME of the reasons why people don't like her, even if my ultimate judgement of her is way more positive) for one reason, and one reason only: she is, both in history and in the movie, unquestionably sympathetic.

For those of you who don't know, En kongelig affaere, or A Royal Affair, is a Danish film that adapts the story of queen Carolina Mathilda of Denmark, whose affair with her mentally ill husband's doctor Johann Friedrich Struensee was used by Struensee's enemies to boosts his charges of treason. The real issue was, of course, court power politics - the king's detachment of reality was so intense he was almost completely incapable of doing his job, and Struensee used that to basically rule in his stead, which of course earned him many enemies. Even worse, his pro-enlightenment policies (although think less Robespierre and more emperor Joseph II.) sparked outrage among the nobility; Joseph II. is an apt comparison here, although he didn't have the added baggage of being a lowborn man seizing power behind the scenes and (allegedly) having an affair with the queen. Jury's still out on whether that particular charge is based on truth, but it's certainly possible, and the movie went with "yes", just because it makes for a better story. In any case, Struensee ended up being executed, while Carolina Mathilda survived, but was torn away from her children and sent into exile. The movie is relatively faithful retelling of a certain quite plausible version of the story, also it has a superb script, great costumes and cast packed to the gills with amazing actors (Mads Mikkelsen, Alicia Vikander, for those in the know also Mikkel Boe Fosgard and Tryne Dyrnholm) - basically, if you can find it, go watch it, after surviving Hot D y'all deserve some real cinema.

Now, in the movie, it's heartbreakingly easy to sympathize with Carolina Mathilda. When she is just a teenager, she is married off to her severely mentally ill cousin, who constantly mistreats her and seems to kinda hate her, plus her affair with Struensee is motivated by genuine romantic feelings. Noone in their right mind would call Carolina Mathilda "entitled" for it (I HOPE). And sure, Rhaenyra is much less miserable than her, but her emotional life is in a similarly hopeless spot, where she can only find actual romance outside of marriage. Plus, unlike Carolina Mathilda, there is no deception involved, at least with her husband - she still has to gaslight the rest of the country, but them's the breaks, what would you have her do, NOT give birth to the prince of my heart Jacaerys Targaryen?! Like, people, you are calling a woman entitled, because she is in a loving monogamous relationship with someone who isn't her (gay) husband. I don't know if it's slut-shaming, but it most certainly isn't FAIR.

What I think confuses people about this comparison is that both book and show!Rhaenyra can be called spoiled and entitled (keyword is CAN; I personally don't agree with this assessment of her either, but let's say for the sake of the argument) for a lot of other things. She has certainly done her fair share of mistakes and I get the general dislike of her - I myself dislike show!Alicent in much the same way, it really depends what actions and character flaws personally irritate you more. But again, having a loving monogamous relationship, with the consent of her husband no less, is just not the kind of mistake I can imagine anyone hating her for. Yes, yes, it is hypocritical to subscribe to a feudal order that abhors bastards while having bastards yourself, but crucially, it's the kind of hypocrisy that many noblemen parttake in with no reprecussions whatsoever, from Corlys to Bobby B. And, again, Rhaenyra's affair with Harwin actually MORE excusable, because unlike Corlys' relationship with Marilda, it doesn't get in the way of an otherwise loving marriage (unless it happened before his marriage to Rhaenys in the show - it didn't in the books, but also in the books the Hull boys might be Laenor's, it's complicated), and unlike Bobby B, she is far from a hedonist serial philanderer. We can debate whether any of that would be WRONG per se, but it certainly would be LESS UNDERSTANDABLE.

It is not entitled to want a fulfilling romantic relationship even in a situation that isn't exactly conductive to it. How is that a hard concept to grasp, I really don't know. Maybe y'all should just read or watch more things dealing with romantic relationships under these circumstances - I highly recommend starting with A Royal Affair, seriously, you guys, it is so good.

[delusion-of-negation]

I wish i could make more people see you the way i see you bc youre one of if not THE ONLY MOTHERFUCKER around here who Gets it. All of it. Like i rarely have to explain shit to you because you Get It. And yeah you may be rude or mean and lash out when youre hurting, but thats a thing everyone does past a certain point and aint nobody got grounds to think less of you when youve been thru goddamn hell several times over. I know shit sucks but i appreciate u being here for the time that you are.

it's exhausting, like, I feel like I live in a world mostly full of folks who've never even thought about stuff, and those that have just stopped thinking once they found some random moral code for saying X is good, Y is bad, suffer. the good place is one of really incredibly few things that went "okay, but everybody just needs loving and being loved" and even that framed it through being a better or worse person. and I feel like it's so rare to meet people who've actually let go of all the dichotomies and judgement and presumptions, and just wanna care about each other, like you. I haven't ever felt like I'm alone in my suffering, I know other folks have been through various similar and different hells, but I'm so alone in letting go of suspicion and grudges, and just being with people. so everybody just suffers more because nobody has the genuinely necessary trait of, like... I mean, you talk about prison reform and they go "what about the bad people, we need to put those somewhere" and it's like yeah, it's called a house. let them experience the one life they have. maybe if we have better kinda mental health care we could have genuinely safe, happy, loving spaces until the crisis passes and we know how to help them, it doesn't need to be forever though - nobody is a mindless killing machine. but it's like talking to a brick wall. everybody wants this villain to fight, no matter how much humanity they need to strip away to create it. no matter how many times it's shown it won't actually help reduce harm. it's just easier to demonise everyone. then whenever I'm suicidal like atm, it's me being a bad icky shit friend who just doesn't care enough to suffer the slow march to agonising death, through massive pain, for some hopeless pleas about it "getting better" when it simply won't, and they call in the abusive police force and abusive hospitals, to lock away the bad source of stress for them, no matter how much worse that leads everything to become. I wish I could just click my fingers and be safely in a quiet little house with some beanbags and games, to experience nice holidays and the people I love, before I go, but I simply cannot do that because we live in a shit world. it isn't fair.

[biipbop]

Sometimes I see people's critiques on female characters and it's like... some of y'all really *really* can't handle a complex female character.

"she's mean and uses men." So? What's the context?

She lives in an oppressive male society where her people are literally vored for existing like regardless of gender because the elite believe it will bring them closer to immortality? So she latches on to the most powerful person in the room who isn't going to violently assault and eat her and changes herself to be whatever that person wants her to be (and that person is usually a man bc again oppressive male society, and most likely attracted to her because most people who do are)? And she will do whatever she can to stay in his good grace even if it means being cruel to others? And when someone else becomes a potential threat that can replace her they become the target of ire? Yea that makes perfect sense.

That's what we call being a product of your environment y'all. If you grow up somewhere where it's common place to steal food to survive are you really going to be surprised that someone who grew up like that was not blessed with opportunities and had to steal food so they won't starve?

Is the writer a bad writer for writing a female character like this? No. I literally can not understand how someone would make a leap like this. The author gave you a backstory where the actions of the character makes sense. That's good characterization. Good writer making believable characters. She's not looking for a "hero" to save her because she has no reason to believe in heros. She's opportunistic, she's manipulative, she doesn't trust anyone who can toss her and she makes sense. Why should she trust anyone? Even if someone saves her, what is there intention? Why would you save her? The only logical reason she can probably think of would be to make her willing in her own prison when that person will eventually try to wed her (and the narrative proves this to be true TWICE). Of course she's going to be cruel when she's never known anything but cruelness to survive.

Now listen, am I saying that in our current modern society she did nothing wrong? Fuck no. But even then I would believe that if given different circumstances, if she lived in a perfect and fair world she would make different choices. Why am I derailing my point to mention this? Cause y'all got bad reading comprehension and get mad when someone points out that maybe you're not as judgement free as you think you are.

Yes this is about Song Qiutong and Meatbun because I saw someone trying to explain why Song Qiutong is a misogynistic portrayal of a women even though Meatbun writes "good female characters". Even though the novel gives you context to her cruelty. I'm not saying you gotta like her. I'm saying viewing her as a "badly written female character" is telling on yourself.

[joe-moi]

ok i'm finally caught up after reading the morning the paper (this blog) here's what i'm thinking, sorry it's so long 😭

usually i'm not someone who cares about over analyzing bc most things do tend to be that deep, but i think we're reading too far into the friend group part of jk and csw a bit, we have no way of knowing if she's been around his friends or not, i think it doesn't help that he probably has more lowkey and not recognizable friends in ny, like music friends or something, i don't think it's weird we haven't seen her with nat and charlie bc i think if they were spotted all together that would make the relationship look a lot more serious, like jk and m were always spotted with nat and charlie in the early days so ppl would definitely make it a thing if jk started bringing her around them too

as for all red flags i think we're judging all this as if it's a full on serious relationship when it's not, maybe i'm giving them too much credit but i think they both know exactly what this relationship is, like it's fun and something new but it's not going to turn into marriage or anything, and i do think they like each other but i think they know this isn't something lasting through the strike ending since he'll be so busy, i honestly don't see them trying to make it work at all and just going back to being friends or pure fwb whenever they're both in ny, i do think maybe chase might have stronger feelings only because she's used to having strong short term relationships but i think this is a fling for her too, that's why they're ok being very friendly publicly

they are in a honeymoon phase and i know you turn blind during that but i don't think it's fair for us to judge it like a potential long term thing just yet and be questioning his judgement like he's this oblivious (god i hope not) 😭 idk the anons calling whatever they have going on weird and/or toxic rubbed me the wrong way i really think they're just two people having fun while they're unemployed

i could be wrong maybe we'll see csw in atl and i'll have to eat my words but that's what i'm thinking

oh last tidbit, i was going to say jk hanging around the it girl friend group surprised me at first too as someone who loves rachel and ayo specifically, i'm very biased in this part but now i think it does kinda make sense for him, bc yeah they are kind of it girls rn but they're doing it in a very ironic and sort of dorky way, like if you watch clips of ayo and rachel together they're humors very silly and dorky, they seem to enjoy fame a lot but none of them have an ego about it maybe jk likes that, it is funny imagine what a conversation between jk and them would sound like tho 💀

Another perspective about this! But I think we’ve beaten this horse to death y’all. We just gotta wait and see.

[ruthlesslistener]

I'm just gonna say, you really did sound like an angry asshole back then and now. I wasn't even a part of the issue back then or the anons, but I seriously thought you were... pissed. Very angry? I understood why. But it wasn't really a "rightfully" angry situation on your part, since I wasnt really happy you called something you didnt understand as "weird" or "sus". The sus weird really did it for me and I was hella surprised you didnt mean what it usually means. So I think the aggressions of the other anons might have come from that vibe you had. Which maybe clouded judgement, idk I'm just guessing but that seems like what happened here.

I think it's just miscommunication on your part, sorry to say. You really do sound mad, even in your pinned tweet. Though that could be just me, who has trouble reading vibes in writing at times. But this is just my insight. Please don't get mad and dogpile me like what you used to do.

No, that's fair. I have the tendancy to speak bluntly, use aggressive modifiers, go heavy on punctuation when I'm serious vs using textspeak with inherent tone modifiers pre-built and I don't use tone tags because they're confusing to me and make my head hurt. That DOES contribute to making me sound angry even when I don't mean to be. Ex, for right now I'm not angry at all, just confused and tired at my own incompetance, bc I didn't try to dogpile you and also because this whole 'not fucking up socializing' thing is really fucking exhausting. That's not a dig at you or an attempt to emotionally manipulate you btw, that's entirely an internalized frustration at myself that doesn't reflect you. For example, I didn't mean to dogpile you and the fact that I probably did so anyways is really frustrating to me. This whole thing feels like a math problem that I know the answer to but can't solve, and I have dyscalcula.

For most of it, I wasn't angry- I was confused, upset, frustrated, and defensive. I guess you can construct all of those under the umbrella that is anger, but to me it really didn't feel like anger, it felt like panic amd sorrow and 'what the fuck, I didn't say that I didn't mean that what is happening'. I know I certainly came off as angry because of the afformentioned issue with internet speech, and with some asks I was, but for the most part? No, I was panicking, deeply shaken, and upset. That doesn't make me the victim here, it was my own fuck-up and incompetence that caused it, but the 'fight' part of a fight-or-flight response is not anger-based.

It's def. not only me though, because if it was then I wouldn't have had to repeat myself a bunch of times. Everything else was me being a massive bumblefuck, but people repeatedly saying stuff back to me that was different than what I kept trying to clarify wasn't an issue on my end. That isn't me being unable to accept that I'm wrong, because I was, that's just how it was. If they had listened and understood what I was saying, then I wouldn't have had to repeat myself more than once. Also, based on the feedback of people I talked to over discord, there was a level of intentional misreading and/or refusal to reconsider my words that worstened the issue, so it def. wasn't entirely my fuck-up. It was just MOSTLY my fuck-up

[cheemken]

You say your writing isn't doing it justice but that's so good though?? holy shit Diantha is scary.

Also the tip of the iceberg??? should I be concerned--

That's really good though, really love how that Diantha is more cunning and more secretive than the current villain Diantha one, it makes her all the more terrifying as a villain, especially since everyone in Kalos believes what she tells them. does this mean the other champions don't know whats going on with her? I mean, other than Geeta of course.

Will people eventually find out about her being evil?

My writing really isn't doing it justice tho hahah then again im writing it as how I'd write concepts (bc it is one) and not as an actual fic, but still my writing skills aren't that great anymore ig so like yeah hahaha

Yeah it really is the tip of the iceberg still, Dia's done a lot of fucked up shit my guy, even when she was younger, so yeah it was already a problem since the start. And you're right w that one, how she's more cunning, more hidden, bc unlike the villain Dia we currently have, this Diantha plays the roles anyone expects her to be extremely fucking well, and that's what's terrifying. Bc she knows what you want, she knows she can take it from you too, she plays the part of Kalos' dearest angel, all while treating the people of her region as nothing but pawns, but hey, they don't know that.

And ig it's bc current villain Diantha still justifies what she's doing, because she genuinely believes she's doing the right thing too, like yeah she's controlling, but in her twisted mind she believes she's doing everyone a favour by purging the world of anyone she deems as unworthy, and her being called a queen is just a good bonus too. But initial concept villain Diantha tho?? This bitch knows what she's doing is wrong, but she doesn't care, and frankly she thinks she deserves to use everyone else the same way they used her when she was still a young defenceless child. In her mind, she suffered, so they should suffer too, it's only fair, it's only right, it's her right, her Arceus given right to place judgement unto anyone who even questions her.

And that spiralled out of control, bc she knows just what to say for everyone to listen to her, for everyone to follow her, for everyone to tribute themselves as obedient lambs to sacrifice themselves like the pawns that they are for their queen. And Arc, she fucking loves that feeling of absolute power she has over her people.

For the other champions, ofc they don't know hahah Diantha is still Diantha for them, the same kind and caring Champion of Kalos. The one who was always there for them, who rooted for them, who they were most comfortable to open up to. She's still their angel, and she knows it. Geeta ofc, ever the loyal devotee, her darling king, never told a soul about anything. Ofc, who are they to know what her queen has done anyways right? And even if they do know, they've no right to judge her.

[cdroloisms]

honestly, i think some of the problems plaguing current dreblr is because of the lack of meaningful disagreement, the more i think about it? dreblr has always had some problems about being conflict averse, truth be told, but when the greater fandom was more active a lot of conflict invited itself to our door anyway. at the same time, though, i think there was a sort of sentiment that evolved that because we were the only ones "in our corner," so to speak, we should agree with each other as much as possible and limit infighting. and i mean, to be clear, infighting kind of sucks. but disagreeing about analysis shouldn't be considering infighting, and for the meta scene to like, exist, we have to have room to actually debate, yknow?

like, when i see takes i dont agree with, i want to comment my thoughts ... mostly bc i am the fucking yapper LOL. i love talking about this server and c!dream and when im posting about them it's largely bc i just, want to talk abt the dsmp and c!dream. that being said, i also don't want to step on toes, which i think has prevented me more than few times from posting the meta i want to write, which is another symptom of the problem i feel?

outside of dreblr being a place for a more /pos reading of c!dream, there isn't any other "required" consensus (the "c!dream /pos" requirement only existing bc that's the point of dreblr, lmao, not that every dsmp fan ever has to be c!dream positive) -- but i think there's a sort of social pressure both bc of the history of this fandom and bc of how certain bloggers may be perceived that makes people feel like there's a "correct" way to think about c!dream on dreblr, and that the more everyone here agrees the better. and honestly i think this has a ripple effect that kinda sucks for everyone, across the board -- definitely for newer fans, who don't feel like they can post anything when it's not "in agreement" with the consensus, but also for those who get kind of seen as 'authorities', who then feel like they have to watch what they say lest people react badly about them having a differing opinion.

i do think that personally, i also prefer direct debate -- mostly bc i, once again, am the yapper, and will take any excuse to dump thoughts about c!dream anywhere, and other people's arguments are thought provoking and often inspire thoughts of my own so i generally would like to see them! that being said, i also completely understand why vagueing happens and why people prefer to do it; a lot of people feel much more comfortable about their own blogs as their "personal" space where they're able to set boundaries for what they feel is acceptable/unacceptable behavior. just as an example, if someone made a vaguepost about something i wrote saying that they feel [xyz] language i used was inappropriate (ex. I think it's problematic when people write meta describing c!Quackity as sadistic--), even if i stumbled onto that post and drew the conclusion that it was about my own meta, it's a fair enough opinion for them to put on their own blog. if they replied to me with that directly, though, i'd probably roll my eyes at the tone policing. does that makes sense? imo the etiquette when you jump onto someone else's post and make your own vaguepost can be pretty different, but that's my own personal judgement, so obviously it differs person to person. never mind the complication that exists because of tumblr asks.

all of that being said, tumblr is a public space and posting meta/analysis, in general, is kind of fandom academia lite. which circles back to my lack of real feeling on how to "solve" the problem of vagueing, bc i don't think any meaningful limits can really exist as long as people aren't doing things like encourage their followers to attack someone (which is another reason why someone might vague, though the actual efficacy of such a strategy kind of varies -- some people may make the judgement call not to directly reference any one blogger they disagree with by name/rb them directly in order to prevent their followers from going on crusades on their own) -- it's a source of natural conflict and friction, especially within a small group such as this one, but especially when we're talking about meta analysis i do think it's a format of disagreement that will continue to exist and kind of has to continue to exist. at the same time, though, i don't think people should feel "punished" for writing meta, which can be what it feels like when there's an overwhelmingly negative response by others in the group.

more open disagreement in the meta scene here would probably be good for everyone, honestly, imo? i can think a take is bad/wrong/incorrect but that doesn't mean the take shouldn't exist, and it also doesn't mean that i should feel obligated not to share my opinions in the part of dreblr that is specifically meant to be about sharing opinions about the work, and the same goes for everyone. i think having more open discussions might also lessen the feeling of being more personally attacked or targeted, or feelings of "disrupting the peace" or "rocking the boat," when it's more openly acknowledged that people here won't always agree and that the disagreements are more obviously talked about. i think direct conversations are probably more productive in that sense than vagueing, truth be told, but is vagueing still going to happen? well, yeah, and i don't think that that's a bad thing necessarily -- nor do i think it's something that can be excised from the fandom without an uncomfortable amount of policing what people do in their own spaces.

i don't want to come off as just saying "don't take it personally when someone calls you an idiot for your take," because i mean, it's hard not to take it personally when someone calls you an idiot for your take. but meta and other fanwork, while obviously often in conversation with each other (oh 7y being a riff of the fandom, never not hilarious to me), definitely play by different rules. but i'm not gonna act like it doesn't get awkward either, bc yeah it gets awkward 😭. i feel like a lot of the problems right now come from there being not enough conflict so that everyone reacts a little too strongly when there is any (when meta + analysis conflict should be restricted to being about the work moreso than being about any particular blogger) and that more obvious diversity in opinions would probably be good for everyone here, but that doesn't exactly eliminate the fact that the ways that people disagree and react to said disagreement are still a source of discomfort and friction -- and i still don't really think there are any easy answers.

thanks for the thoughts elm !! :D i hope that having a more active discussion ig might help with the issue, or at least help people to feel that the issue is being acknowledged ... ? and obviously im just one person saying my own thoughts, i don't expect everyone to agree with this

a little ramble about dreblr, meta, and the ever evolving nature of this fandom, i guess?

i don't mean to soapbox, this is mostly just going to be vomiting some thoughts into a post. some recent stuff and a post or two have had me thinking about this fandom and how different it is from when dsmp was ongoing. it's,, pretty obvious that the fandom is quite a bit smaller and less active than that time, and there are generally a lot fewer people actively posting meta and such every day--which isn't necessarily a bad thing, and is natural obviously considering that the dsmp ended almost 2 years ago, but does mean that the culture around (?) meta and such has shifted, as well. it's one of those things too i think that is felt so much more obviously in dreblr, which is an even smaller group within this fandom that formed in response to uhhh being very much considered unwelcome by the greater fandom at the time.

that being said, as is the nature of all fandom, dreblr is still a community of people who are largely strangers who have gathered together because of one commonality: very strong feelings and often very strong opinions on the dream smp and c!dream. and i think when the fandom was more active, the entire fandom felt a lot more like a "pvp enabled" zone, lmao -- it was every other day when there'd be some new batshit meta about c!dream or some stream to react to and analyze and fight people about and whatever. since then, though, with the dsmp gone, the fandom has become quieter -- which i think has allowed some of the variation in opinions within dreblr become more and more obvious? and also become a sort of source of friction.

again, this is normal for any fandom. i'm certainly not here to agree with everyone about c!dream always, lmao. but the vagueing of takes is always more awkward on both sides when it's someone where you share more of the same circles. at the end of the day, it's up to each individual blogger's discretion to choose what they will or won't post on their own blog, but at the same time ... when it comes to the community, just speaking for myself, i don't want a super high barrier of entry when it comes to people feeling like they can't join this fandom unless they've got [xyz] experience or [xyz] takes.

when it comes to actual analysis of the source material, though, keeping meta a safe place for people to say "no, i don't agree with this take because of [xyz]" is important as well, which always raises the question of how said disagreements should be handled. and again, i'm no authority, i'm not here to tell people what to do. personally, when it comes to my own blog, i don't like to post very much directly about any one blogger, but I know I've definitely written posts inspired by specific takes before as well as screenshots of takes from the fandom's heyday, etc. i don't necessarily feel uncomfortable with this ...? but at the same time, i know that vagueposts can be a source of discomfort, especially if they're about your take in particular (speaking from experience) -- so it's you know. not the easiest line to draw, I guess, especially when we're talking about a community where different people are going to have different levels of comfort with what they post on their own blogs and what other blogs do in response to their takes. and whatever.

vagueposting, i think, has been common in the tumblr dsmp fandom for a long time, and especially in dreblr -- direct engagement in the past errr usually went badly, so a habit formed of keeping everything we did kind of within our own spaces (hence why many of us don't even tag c!dream or even dreblr on most of our posts; keeping everything untagged, or keeping the tagging system restricted to our own blogs, limited the possibility of trouble). that being said, vagueing within dreblr has become more common, i think, as disagreements within dreblr have become more and more obvious in the time since the dsmp ended. (just for the obvious example: i think it's a bit of an open secret that i, personally, strongly disagree with much of the common depictions of c!drunz in this fandom. i've written some meta about this before, as well as some responses to meta--which i enjoyed greatly, believe me--but i've also noticed (perhaps coincidence) an uptick in c!drunz positive meta every time i or someone else makes a post that maybe skews more negative. which is normal, don't get me wrong, but also a pattern i've noticed. i'm also very aware that someone the arguments i may bring up as counterarguments or structure my posts around arguing against are based on actual arguments i've seen while in this space, which i'm aware is an easy source of friction within dreblr.) and it's easy to say "don't take it personally when it's just metaanalysis," but that's easier said than done, lmao, especially depending on the tone of the vaguepost and a myriad of other factors.

i'm not saying that i have the answers. or, for that matter, a single answer. the boundaries i set aren't going to be the same as the boundaries other people set, for one, and i have no desire to police what other people do on their own blogs. i do miss, sometimes, the more collaborative and discussion-based meta experience of this fandom when it was more active--i might try to more actively reblog posts (including those i don't necessarily agree with) to discuss this server and these characters, bc at the end of the day that is kind of why we're here. personally, i've always drawn a pretty sharp distinction between fanwork and analysis -- i think it's pretty bad form to criticize people's AUs In General (not that i've not. been guilty of it in the past, but i try at least to keep it to criticizing more general patterns within fanwork; look, i'm not going to claim a moral high ground, i love bitching way too much and should probably get a handle on that but asj;lkfdsaf) but when we're talking meta about the source material, barring shit like. you know, harassment and otherwise abusive behavior, i do consider it more of a free-for-all. at the same time, i know that these standards can lead to newer fans feeling like they're going to be booed out the door for sharing their thoughts, which, i mean, isn't great 😭😭😭 fresh eyes can bring a lot of really cool new insights, and it'd suck pretty damn bad to miss that because they don't feel welcome, yknow?

anyway, this is a very inconclusive post, but i thought i'd just throw some of my thoughts out as someone who has been here for a decently long time. and if you want to discuss w/ me, inbox and dms are always open :)

[messymindofmine]

Ok so here we go with part 4 of my series. Just a quick disclaimer bc I am only going to say this once. As this series focuses on characters through the lens of their relationship with Robby and we all know that Robby has been done dirty in one way or another by just about every single character on the show, there will be a fair bit of criticism. Fair criticism being the operative phrase here. I have no intention nor desire to shit on characters for no reason. This is true of all characters. While I may be harsher on some characters than I am on others, it isn't due to me hating them but rather with the magnitude of how much wrong they've done. Also, while the main focus is the characters' relationships with Robby, I will be exploring the characters themselves as it their own characteristics that impact the relationship they have with Robby. I will also add that loving and defending characters is fine but I think that being able to call out flaws and acknowledging valid criticism is actually a healthy way to interact with characters. Let’s just remember that criticism does not automatically equal hatred and part of an analysis means making warranted criticisms.

So for this post I want to talk about Robby and his relationship with Kreese and by extension Silver.

What I find really interesting about Kreese is that he really does believe in what he’s doing. He truly doesn’t think of what he did to Johnny as abuse. Instead, he actually seems to view Johnny as some kind of surrogate son and extends that to Robby. He talks about “three generations of Cobra Kai” as though it’s some kind of family legacy. He continuously refers to Robby as “son.” 

From the moment Kreese is reintroduced, we can see the effect he still has on Johnny. For Johnny as a child, Cobra Kai was an escape from his horrible stepfather and Kreese did play the role of a father figure for him. It’s hard to admit that the person you view as a parent is actually the reason for your pain. Hell, we see this repeated with Robby and Johnny. Even when Robby can admit that his father has hurt him, he still craves his attention. With Johnny, he internalized the abuse Kreese inflicted on him to such an extent that it took decades for him to even acknowledge that Kreese had done something wrong. 

When Kreese returns at the end of s1, Johnny is shocked and definitely not as happy as Kreese hoped Johnny would be. They fight and Kreese once again hurts Johnny badly. However, despite this Kreese is able get under Johnny’s skin once again and convince him that Kreese has changed. Johnny believes him which is understandable and lets Kreese back into his life. It’s only after the school fight when Johnny begins to question everything around him that he starts to escape Kreese’s grip. 

One thing that is obvious almost from the moment Kreese returns is his desire to get Robby into Cobra Kai. He constantly tells Johnny that it’s not right for Robby to be with Daniel and that he should be with them instead. He keeps referring to Robby as “our boy.” It’s almost impressive the lengths Kreese goes to to get Robby into Cobra Kai. 

It’s hardly surprising that Robby would trust Kreese despite everything because when Robby was completely alone and scared, Kreese was the only one who even bothered to show up for him. Kreese was the only one who visited him in juvie. Sure, he had ulterior motives and Robby certainly wasn’t interested in what he had to say in the beginning. However, Kreese taught Robby how to fight back in a way that actually stopped him from getting beaten up in juvie. I find it interesting that before Robby even gave Kreese a chance, he actually looked him up. He looked Kreese up and learned about him without any biases clouding his judgement. Of course, none of the articles that he looked at would have told him the truth about how messed up Kreese actually is. So for Robby, it really did come down to who was there when he needed someone and that was Kreese. Of course, Kreese was the only person to acknowledge what really happened in the school fight. That Miguel was the one who escalated the whole thing and Robby was the one who was trying to stop it. 

In 3x10, Robby watched as Johnny and Kreese fought. Bearing in mind that the only reason Johnny was even at the dojo was to get back at Kreese for what he did to Miguel. He didn’t even know that Robby was there because he just let Robby go off on his own but he was willing to storm the dojo and fight Kreese for Miguel. So Johnny sees Robby and Kreese goes into his spiel about “three generations of Cobra Kai.” Kreese may be messed up but everything he said in that scene and in previous scenes since s2 all show that he truly does view Johnny as a son and by extension Robby as a grandson in an extremely warped way. So Kreese and Johnny fight and Robby sees it all. He sees Johnny on top of Kreese actually about to kill hi. Johnny only stops when Robby tells him not to do it. So now on top of everything else, Robby has also had to see his father almost kill someone. Then he outright tells Johnny how much he has hurt him and Johnny just stands there. Then when Robby snaps and starts fighting him, yeah Johnny says he doesn’t want to fight Robby but then proceeds to throw him into a set of lockers and knocking him unconscious. Yeah, it was an accident but there were so many things Johnny could have done in that moment to stop Robby that didn’t involve pushing him into those lockers. Then when Robby regained consciousness and went outside where Kreese and the others were having their standoff, Robby tells them to go. Johnny could have insisted he stay, he could have asked Robby if he was alright, he could have done lots of things but instead he chose to walk away thus making it clear to Robby that his only option was Kreese. Daniel said “keep your Cobra Kai away from our kids” yet had no problem leaving Robby in Kreese’s clutches.

Despite everything, Robby still wasn’t completely sold on joining Kreese. He told Kreese that he wasn’t interested in being a pawn in his games. It was really only after his conversation with Tory and then with Sam at the skatepark when he saw that there was no place for him at Miyagi-Do that wouldn’t require him to debase himself, he went to Kreese. Mind you, even then he makes it a point to tell Johnny that he doesn’t really trust Kreese. For Robby, going to Kreese really was more about survival than anything about Cobra Kai.

Robby’s relationship with Silver is interesting because he is the only person with the exception of Kreese who isn’t scared of Silver. Sure, he was bit intimidated by him at first but even after being beaten up by Silver, Robby never feared him. Robby clearly knew from the start that Silver was dangerous yet he had no problem openly challenging him at the avt. Then in s5, he took it a step further and challenged him in front of all his students. Silver by that point was already clearly unhinged and made it very clear that he would not hesitate to hurt Robby but Robby still looked him in the eye without a hint of fear. 

It’s interesting that there are similarities between Robby and Daniel when it comes to Silver. Both have been his students. Both understand just how dangerous he is better than anyone. Silver for his part seems to have a personal interest in both Robby and Daniel. With Daniel it’s obvious and goes a lot deeper but he became obsessed with Robby as soon as he found out who he was. He watched as Robby was teaching Kenny Miyagi-Do and tells Robby he knows enough to kick all their asses and then challenges him to a fight. There was no reason for him to do that other than to show Robby how much power he could exert over him and Robby understood that message. He taunts Johnny in the prom episode by saying that he would take care of Robby. He also looks directly at Robby at the avt and tells him that it’s his chance to prove to Johnny and Daniel that they don’t need him. He makes it a point to address Robby when even Kreese didn’t say anything. Even in s5, during the beatdown with Johnny, Silver is actually the only person to point out how Johnny has screwed up with Robby. 

As far as Kreese in s5 goes, now that he feels that he has been well and truly betrayed by Johnny and Martin Kove has even said will likely target him in some way for revenge, it’s highly possible he might try something with Robby. Robby obviously will not go back to Kreese but Kreese may target Robby. With Silver, I doubt we have seen the end of him. Given the murky legal situation regarding his arrest, I certainly don’t see Silver just accepting defeat. I’m actually interested in seeing what happens to these two in s6.

You can also see my other posts on Robby and his relationships here

As always, thank you so much to anyone who took the time to read this post and leave a reaction. I truly appreciate it. I hope to have the next post in my series up as soon as I can.

[fairycosmos]

having a plan to kill myself that i know for sure will work at hand is so soothing and calming bc i can literally leave any time i want and i'm not afraid of anything anymore lol everything is under my control i love knowing i'll be dead soon i deserve my rest

hey, i'm really sorry to hear that you're in this position. it's not fair that you have to think this way and i'm sorry things have been so hard that you feel like it's your only option. obviously i can't say anything as an outsider that'll even put a dent in the pain you're dealing with, and i'm really aware of that. there's clearly deeply rooted underlying issues and mental distress that needs specialized support, and i hope i don't sound ignorant to that. feel free to eye roll your way through this if you want to, i totally get it - but i still feel the need to offer at the very least some understanding and recognition of how much you're hurting, and some alternatives to it.

having to cope with extreme suicidal ideation like this is an indescribable experience, and i'm glad you're still here to any extent despite it. though i know it's completely fucking exhausting, and i know that it doesn't seem worth it at all most of the time. unfortunately i think a lot of people can relate to feeling like they need to have a way out, and actually feeling better once they've solidified one. it's a really common part of mental illness and depression, and while we should recognize that that obviously means the thought processes that have led you to this conclusion aren't exactly reliable, i think it's also ok to just let yourself be at your fucking wits end with everything, without any-self judgement. or even self-praise i wanted to say it'd maybe be a good call not to put too much stock into the future, not to treat any plan like it's definitive because like - focusing on coping with surviving the day is much more manageable, and it's the only thing that's fully in our control anyway. the present, i mean. but if it's a comfort you can't let go of, i understand. i had this thought when i was reading your message that it's alright for two things to be true at once. obviously this isn't how you're going to see it right now, but i mean ideally - it'd be great if you could find the help you need to not have to feel like suicide is where you're headed. that should be the goal, even if you don't want it to be. and i think that's ok. and so is accepting your need to keep an escape route in the back of your head. accepting it, not acting on it, not taking it as gospel. just knowing why it's there and letting yourself feel the relief of it, if that's what you need to do to get through the moment. i think that's what it boils down to.

i hope eventually you can really internalize the idea that just because you have this exit route ready, that doesn't mean the life you're still very much alive in should be cast aside or given up on. the awful trick with being suicidal is that people kind of expect you to be able to fight for yourself, to care about whether or not you stay alive, when the whole issue stems from the exact opposite of that. there's this lack of understanding about how fucking tired a person must be, to feel the way you do. and it's bullshit lol, so i'm not saying you need to get up and take on the world or to fix yourself, whatever that means. but i think it's be healthy to work on coming to terms with the fact that you're still alive, even if you don't want to be, and you still deserve to make it feel bearable for as long as you're here.you still deserve and can utilise professional help, self-help or a support system - if you're worried about cost, a lot of places offer a sliding-scale price. you say you're not scared of anything anymore, but there's also a lack of fear to be found in embracing and implementing positive coping mechanisms, and in talking to others about what's going on, and in trusting the process. even if the whole time, you still know how and when you want to die. even if the whole time, you resent it and think it's pointless. or even just making very small steps toward reaching out / staving off the suicidality daily, if the other option feels impossible right now is a great place to start. it doesn't have to be a linear or easy process, it doesn't have to be anything. i'm just saying that while you're here, you don't deserve to go through this alone.

i know how this is coming across lol and i wish it wasn't. it's cool if you wanna scream and reject it all, i know what it's like. but i promise i'm not saying any of this just to say it. and if it's not compatible with your experiences then feel free to disregard it entirely, ofc. or return to it whenever you feel like you're open to accepting narratives outside of the one your brain is spewing at you. but at the very least i hope you can take away some reassurance from this, a gap in the isolation of being suicidal. know that there's someone out there who is rooting for you and who cares about you, and your well being and your future, even just in that weird distant "stranger online" sort of way. i believe in you and i think your existence is so much more than the way you perceive it right now, including the concept of the end of it. i'm going to leave a few links that will always be there for you to come back to, even if you can't be bothered with them right now, and i hope you're able to check them out sometime. oh i also wanted to add that my inbox is always open if you ever need a friend or just someone to talk to, could be about anything you want - just know that there's always a chance for you to get out of your own head and find some connection on here. sending you so much love, please take care. just focus on one step at a time, minute to minute. that's more than good enough. x

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[colour-outside-the-liness]

Oh Disneyland Paris sounds fun yeah! Were you and your roommate already close then? I went to Walt Disney's world with my aunt and cousin when I was like 11 but it would've been way more fun if I could've taken my best friend with me for sure. Maybe we can go to the one in Paris now that she lives just 3h away from me! Oh I see, sounds like LA was really fun for you yeah! your roommate didn't mind third wheeling tho? Hahaha

Yeah Canada is beautiful but what I liked about it the most was the massive improvement in quality of life I had compared to where I was living before and just being able to be who I am and people accepting me for it. Not being worried about violence 24/7 felt pretty fucking great too. So yeah I highly recommend living there if you ever get a chance. But I am loving Portugal so far, people are a bit more judgemental here tho but I like that it's easier to travel to a lot of countries I've always wanted to go to. Everywhere you go there are pros and cons tho so sorting out priorities is key. But Toronto is my favourite of all the places I've been, before living there for a year I had already been two times!

Jesus 50 states, sometimes I forget how big the US is. And you can totally do it if you plan it out! After watching Bly Manor tho I really want to go to Vermont especially during autumn season looks really pretty! There's this fic I love (only the sun by prestonarchives) where Dani and Jamie go on a road trip from Vermont to Maine and I did their entire journey on Google maps street view bc I was so obsessed with this one chapter fanfic I had to immerse myself entirety in it hahaha. So now I want to go there irl. Here's the link if you haven't read it before!

https://bit.ly/3BLy4WR

Omg I totally remember reading that on CBML and being a bit confused bc I was like why would she think you can't see the moon from the great wall of China HAHAHA but I thought it was really funny and endearing yeah it's even funnier now that I know you said it irl haha.

Oh so ENFP-T means extraverted, intuitive, feeling and prospecting personality with a bit of turbulence. Which just means you're curious, perceptive, enthusiastic, an excellent communicator, festive and good-natured. On the other hand you can be disorganized, unfucosed, a people pleaser, overcommitted, too optimistic and restless.

I wonder what Jamies and Danis mbti are as well as their zodiac signs 🤔 I think Jamie might be an ISTP-A bc she's definitely an introvert, very practical, stubborn, assertive, layed back and energetic at the same time. And Dani is either an ENFP-T like you or an ESFJ-T with the whole selfless thing going on.

AE already made it canon that Jamie's an aries (and it makes sense) but I can't figure Dani out. I've thought about her being a leo ♌ bc she's generous, passionate, warm-harted and dominant in her own way and THE HAIR haha. But she's got some pisces ♓ vibes going on too...idk. aaand I'm back at it again with the astrology signs haha.

To be fair your recent drunken exp it was dark and at least you didn't think the road sign was a bear or something (don't know what kind of wild animals you've got over there) that you wrestled with and ended up in a ditch and your best friend let you believe that happened for 3 years up until recently haha. 😂 but yeah some things happen for a reason, having life threatening health issues doesn't sound great tho, but I guess it's a good thing it stops you from drinking too much and making dumb decisions. And hey maybe I secretly want that to happen again idk maybe moving countries is not exciting enough, I have to go out and make a complete drunken fool out of myself in a completely foreign place hahaha. I guess that did kinda happen last month when my best friend came to visit me from Spain and we got drunk on wine, I got lost on the way back home and it was way past curfew. 🤔 shit I'm 29 will I ever learn...

Episode 9 is 😢😍🥰😰😭🤬☠️ just the worst roller-coaster I didn't even know I was on. Haha I was more pissed off than heartbroken the first time I watched it ngl.

Well then maybe the way you do accents is friendly and funny so people can't really get mad at you haha. Like Dani! Oh so that's called a Geordie accent! I see, it's really really cool. AE said Jamie is from Lancashire but that's a whole county isn't it? Idk if there's a specific accent to this region. Knowing you speak kinda like Jamie is something else tho, I think if anyone who spoke like her ever talked to me irl I wouldn't be able to pay attention to what they were saying 😂 just the accent haha.

Oh so you already have 4k something words for it nice. I'm kinda starting to feel an obsession with this medieval AU growing in me, I made a Pinterest board just for it ngl hahaha but I'm still resisting creating anything for it, I did a face study yesterday for Dani and Jamie to see if I finally pick up the idea and just do it but my brain was still like "I don't want to do this rn" and was just being a little bitch about it so I'll just let it cook for longer see if we can reach an agreement eventually (if ever) haha.

Glad to hear you had a good weekend! Even if it left you feeling exhausted in the end. And yeah it makes sense for you to say you don't have favourites haha! Have a great week Colour, take care! 👋✨

Yeah me and my roommate have been friends since we were like 14 so when we went to Disney Land we asked if we could be roomed together because we've been best friends for that long now... been best friends since school and now we live together. She's seen me at my best, my worst, has seen me in all my stages in life and has been there for a lot of the rough stuff I've been through and I've been there for all the stuff she's been through!! Nah she didn't mind at all we had some moments where me and my ex would just go and be a couple and have dates but my ex didn't want me travelling that far alone so invited my roommate too because she didn't like the thought of me flying 11hours alone or being in airports alone so my roommate came with me and we had a great time Awwh good I'm glad it was such a nice place and that you didn't worry about violence all the time but I'm so sorry you ever had to worry about that anyway that can't be easy. I would honestly love to live in Canada I really hope I get chance one day... I'm glad you're loving Portugal but sorry people are judgemental there but I am glad it's easy for you to travel around to other places... oh yeah every place has it's pros and cons I mean England has some pros but it sure has a lot of cons too so I know all about that Yeah America is SO big but I do want to get around all 50 states at some point and I am stubborn enough and determined enough to make it happen eventually even if I don't get around them all until I'm like 70 I'll make it happen haha!! No I haven't read that fic but it sounds amazing so I'll definitely check it out thank you for sending me the link Yeah... that really happened to me and it was just a dumb moment where I had this momentary lapse of knowledge in my brain and now I look back at that question and I'm just like... "you idiot" and this is why people are shocked when I get questions in quizzes right because I have said some really dumb stuff but I'm glad people found it funny and endearing... and I'm glad it makes it better to know I really said that haha Oooo I didn't know that, I like that and I think it's definitely fitting for me!! I think from what you've said about what ENFP-T means Dani could easily be that too and I don't know anything about the other one but I will take your word for it matching Dani because you know way more about this stuff than I do. I have no idea for Jamie though. And with zodiac signs I love that Amelia looked at Jamie and thought she was an Aries, as for Dani I have NO idea what her zodiac would be... in CBML she's a Leo but in MoU with what I have planned for her birthday she'd be a virgo but I don't know anything about zodiacs... all I know is all the pieces I've ever met have been the opposite of what Dani is so maybe that has something to do with their whole charts but I know a lot of other people always make her a Pieces and I trust what other people say about zodiacs more than what I know about them because I really know NOTHING about them haha Nah I knew it was a road sign because of how heavy and hard it was- nah we have no bears where I live... I don't think we have many dangerous animals where I live... got a couple of badgers that can be pretty aggressive but that's about it we don't have much that is scary here or at least not in the little part of England I live. Having life threatening health issues has been hard and since having my spleen removed in January (that was the surgery I needed to try and fix the issue I had) things are even harder now because I have to take antibiotics for the rest of my life to stop me getting any infections because if I ever get a chest infection now or a really bad cold it can be really dangerous but I take it all in my stride and not drinking is just a way to make sure the antibiotics actually work properly and to make sure nothing happens to me... and like you said, means I don't do anything dumb too... haha drunken stories are the best I have been lost a few times when I've been drunk... and I don't think you do learn, I have siblings that are

like 40 and still do dumb shit... I know at 27 I am still doing dumb shit too I don't think I'll ever learn haha 😂 Its such an emotional roller coaster and honestly I was just devastated the first time I watched it... no TV show or movie has ever made me cry the way Bly Manor did when I first saw it and it still makes me cry now. I can cry just thinking about that last episode. I definitely mean it in a friendly way so I hope it comes across like that. Yeah the accent in Billy Elliot is a Geordie accent and its my favourite accent there are other accents around the north that are called different things. Yeah Lancashire is a county and again in Lancashire there are loads of different accents I can't really pinpoint Jamie's down to a city I just know it's Northern. I'm from Yorkshire but don't have a strong Yorkshire accent I just have a Northern accent, like people never believe I'm from the place I'm from because I don't sound like I am but you can definitely tell I'm northern... honestly there are so many accents in England... you can drive for two hours in any direction in England and the accent will change like two times at least it's insane... see a lot of people say that but I am not a HUGE fan of the northern accent and I think it's because I grew up there. I much prefer Dani's accent to Jamie's but like I said to me, Jamie just talks normal there is no accent really haha Yeah 4k words for it but it's all jumbled up it's not like a chronological story yet it's just all over the place haha but I hope I can get it all structured properly soon!! Awwh good I'm glad you're already interested in this medieval AU!! That makes sense you're resisting creating for it but I think it's so cool you did a face study for Dani and Jamie even if you didn't wanna finish it I think letting things cook for a while is always a good idea if you're not in the right headspace right away I had such a good weekend but I am so tired and today I had a busy day too celebrating my roommate's boyfriend's birthday so I've had so many days that have been so busy and right now I am just really to sleep haha!! Yeah definitely don't have favourites but I have spent more time with one of my nieces than the others simply because I always look after her if her mum and dad are working and I'm not... like until I start this new job I am looking after her for an hour every day after school while she waits for her mum and dad to finish work but I don't have favourites haha!! Thank you so much I hope you had a great weekend and that you have a great week too!!

[purgemarchlockdown]

#i also dont think her father is one of the victim(s) she might even expect him to praise her for murder (→ giving out the punishment#according to cult teachings)#she feels abandoned by him (bc he's constantly away) and it causes her to idolize the image of him#its also not so rarely happens that children who are “abandoned” (literally or more figuratively like in amane's case)#and idolize the parent who left demonize the parent who stays#because the parent who stays cant give them a happy life. if the other parent was here they'd finally be happy#and/or its their fault that the other parent left. bc they're not enough and not doing anything#we also see this with fuuta who demonizes his father (calling him weak and pathetic) and idolizes his mother who abandoned him#considering that amane's mother might not be of high place in the cult unlike her father (i mean we don't know for sure#right? she could be known as just “momose-sensei's wife” at best) plus is the one who gives out punishments to amane#i think its likely that amane would idolize her father more and more as she hates her mother more and more bc who even are you#you're nothing in the cult and if father was here he would give a truly fair judgement of me and my efforts#although i really wonder what's up with amane's lines in teasers... i cant get how t1 and t2 are supposed to be connected tags by @tsuwmya

Lots of good points made here...I did not even consider how her father's probably away often, while her mother is probably the one "judging" Amane. Especially since as you said, her father seems to be high up the cult...It's easy to idolize someone you don't know and all that, especially one that seems celebrated in her community.

The Voicelines in the teasers do get me since...presumably their after and before the murder, and that makes the most sense for some of them (Kazui's especially) but some feel a bit more ill-fitting, Amane's especially actually...

The T2 Voiceline I'm pretty sure can be read as either "his virtue" or "my virtue" iirc, but I'm not sure where I got that info from. It makes More Sense for it to be her virtue since again it Seems like her father has a high place in her cult but idk could work either way really.

(I will say...I've been assuming that line is something she said to her Mother, however Amane seems really...vulnerable I guess? She's telling Someone about her Feelings and loneliness and I just...cannot imagine her telling her mother that.)

Still...if the T1 voicelines are After then...well...I'm pretty sure something else happened at the murder scene Amane isn't willing to admit or even believe happened. I...that scene Haunts me I'm so scared.

Hi! How do you think, in light of the latest evidence, is there a possibility that Amane killed both her parents? I always wonder what means her replay about father in trailer 2 trial. Father must be connected with murder closer that I realize, but I always assumed, maybe something changed after her father left. But maybe not? Maybe when Amane says she wants to see him again - this is something about religious beliefs? Don't know for sure, but I always feel so bad for her... especially with realization that she still believe she was loved... like... GIIIRLLL 😭

Well I wish she did! I am a Worst Girls Supporter and want her to do more Acts of Violence! However I don't think she killed her father.

So first of all, as doctorbunny informed me, there's no pronoun used. So its ambiguous if she's referring to multiple people or not. Could be one, could be many.

Second of all Amane talks Very Positively about her father overall. You will note that she never talks about her mother, most likely because her mother violated cult rules and thus isn't "praiseworthy" unlike her father.

Amane Wants to be praised by her father, wants to gain his approval, wants to be Told she's a good girl. And the Interrogation question she says this T1 Question 13:

Q: Who do you want to meet right now? A: My father. I want him to praise me for working hard.

Which seems to all point to the idea that (unfortunately) her father is still alive. Amane hasn't been given a "righteous reason" to harm him yet and still "idolizes" him in some way.

(And as much as I want him dead, she's been through so much that if he did something to her that gave her a righteous reason to kill him...then that'll probably hurt her more overall...people can only take so much)

When Multiple Victims theory comes into play, the biggest piece of evidence is that her baton is bloody Before she gets to her house, and it's likely that her father was the one who entered the house at the end of Purge March (since her father was presumably away doing missionary work and who else would be at her at house at that hour)

Most likely if multiple victims theory is true the guy who told on her is the other victim (also...maybe the girl but idk what's going on with her honestly...I personally don't think she killed her but the information is so little you can't really argue any way.)

The T2 Father Line is Probably something that happened before the Murder. As it seems like most of the T2 ones are before murder events.

On the love thing actually since I think about that, pain and love are conflated in Amane's world. The pain is there to guide and..."fix" her. To prepare her to enter god's grace.

From a certain angle it is Love. They care So Much About Her that they want to Purify her Unclean Soul. It hurts and it's scary but it's still love at the end isn't it? They love her so so much that they'll do Anything to fix her! Isn't that Wonderful? (I'm so sad about this god-)

[folkstiel]

It's totally understandable for people to not like Irene or some other actors for saying all the shitty stuff they have said in the past. And it's totally okay, of course, to not watch the show because of what the actors think and have said. However, that doesn't mean that the show itself is bad, or that it is panphobic, just because some actors are.

The main reasons why people think skames is panphobic(from what I've seen in here) is 1. Because Joana is bisexual and not pansexual(also some people say it's lesbophobic bc cris is bi), however the characters are bi because the actresses are bi, and I'd assume that if rizha were pan then Joana would be written as pan as well. And in my opinion at least, it's much better for bi actresses to play bi characters than so many straight actors playing lgbt+ characters, and I don't think it's fair to hate the lgbt actresses and characters (and the show)only based on their sexuality (also to note that there's not much bisexual representation in the skamverse anyway).

2. A lot of people have said that the show is panphobic because some characters are panphobic like cris and nora. While cris has never really spoken on pansexuality in any season, Nora has said that she thinks pansexuality and bisexuality are the same thing, and that's why people call her panphobic, however let's compare the scenes:

So obviously in both cases it's just (straight) teenagers trying to understand and compare sexualities. They are all saying what they know or what they think, but obviously nobody is sure of anything. Nothing is actually said in any malice. People are also saying that Nora should know better because she is a feminist etc. but that obviously doesn't mean she knows everything or that she's perfect. She is a teenager making an ignorant comment, just like after that when shes ignorant about mental illnesses. Also the entirety of season 3 was supposed to prove, amongst other things of course, that Nora isn't perfect, and that the fact that she is a proud feminist doesn't mean that her judgement is always perfect or that every opinion she has is correct.

What I'm saying is, actors of a show being panphobic doesn't mean that the show itself is panphobic. And while it's perfectly ok to not want to watch and support the show because of some of the actors, attacking them and other people involved in it and also the fans of the show is totally not okay. There are other actors and other people who work in the show that arent panphobic and shouldn't have to endure so much hate for something others did. And shaming and attacking the fans that the show has helped is not okay.

Of course skam españa isn't perfect, like any other remake isn't. Even the og is far from perfect. But the show isn't it's actors. It's understandable not to like it, but it's not okay to only think of the whole show as the actions of two of its actors.

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Fair. I think. I know you can't just prove objectively that someone is faking bc it's so much more to everything. That's why I did mention "I have autism bc I blink to the beat of this song." There have been several professionals who have made videos about how these videos are harmful, and don't prove anything, and how then thinking you have it based on a song can really fuck you up, especially if you might have a complete different issue, or as someone said, you become so convinced you lie to

get a diagnosis. When I say you can prove they're faking, I mean that there is actual legit proof. Tiktok ppl who pretend to have ND's which are present at birth, but for some reason they don't have them in old/alt acc videos. One of these people I've seen pretends to have severe autism, where they have a "carer" in their videos. But someone who's close to the person, a sibling, made a video showing literal proof of this person not having severe autism as presented in the videos, nor them

needing a carer. This does NOT disprove that this person has might have autism, the person might have mild autism or another ND diagnosis, but it does prove that this person is not "low functioning" autistic, nor do they need a carer, since they live on their own and work. When I say proof I mean that the person showed old tiktok videos, and said that they were ashamed of their family member doing this to get donations or amazon wishlist items, scamming them from actual people who might need it.

I don't feel like you took what I said in the previous ask on board tbh. I mentioned a case where a family member lied about the lack of a condition to further abuse. I said you can criticise the misinfo in the videos without going on a mission to dig up the past of strangers on the internet and root out "fakers". someone also made a great point in another post about how being part of communities that do that can hurt you. I talked about someone I knew irl - and how irl is different to online because you were actually there, you see things first hand, you aren't relying on hearsay and edited videos or interviews, and even then you often can't know for sure - but my friend died and their death may have been linked to the harm they were doing to themself with meds and such. I talk about tact, about talking without being accusatory and focusing on the issues rather than if they are/aren't faking, not pushing it, and how even that doesn't always work. I linked you to a video from a disability activist going into more detail about how all this second hand info can be twisted, misinterpreted, or otherwise unreliable. the internet is not a court room or a doctor's office, it is not your job to dig up information on this person and pass any judgement, you are not a professional and you do not know them, this is not the place. criticising and correcting misinfo is one thing, but actively treating a person like a freak at a carnival, like a case study, like a piece of entertainment, like something you are called to research and dig into and pass judgement on... my friend, that's stalking. if they're ill or not, that's going to hurt them, but especially if they're ill, with that or with something else. I need carers, but because of fuck ups with companies and packages I don't have any at the moment, but I did, and if you dug up my old posts about carers and then had an abusive family member post "proof" I didn't have one at the moment, would you call me a faker, despite the fact that it's all explicable when you actually know me irl and the situation I'm actually in? regardless of whether you're factually correct, which is dubious as second hand "proof" over the internet can be very easily manipulated, what you're doing is wrong. it isn't your job to stalk people, anon. I don't want any further messages on this topic, I have made my position clear and I'm totally disinterested in repeating myself to people who aren't taking what I say on board.

edit: to be clear, by "this topic" I meant "fakers", not disability in general. I'm fine to continue talking about other disability stuff.

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i agree with JT about BC and his family (sophie and the kids) being cast members. thats why trotting kids out, not trotting kids out, showing both kids, showing one, showing their faces, not showing their faces, adding more and more and more kids isn't going to do anything to make skeptics go away because as far as we're concerned, they are just cast members in a production. I think ben mentioning us WAS an attempt to make us go away. so is all the sighting. we just don't care about the idea tha

that ben may or may not like us. like Jay said, people watched survivor or the bachelor. no one watching thought that the bachelor could have some personal opinion of a group of viewers. we feel the same way here. we don’t actually care if bc is upset by skeptics, or not upset, or knows perfectly well when to mention us and when not to for publicity purposes. it does depend on BC PR goal though. do they like having us around just to keep some conversation going, or are we annoying

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I quite agree with the notion that Ben was trying to make us go away with that quote on Vanity Fair.  

Unfortunately for Ben, all he succeeded in doing with that frankly bizarre quote was drive a large part of the old guard of the Skeptical community underground.  Old guard Skeptics who tend to be more sympathetic to his situation because they’ve been watching this trainwreck unfold from day one realised long ago that we’re being pitted against the Nans in order to keep Weirdo’s name relevant.  Any publicity is good publicity after all, right?  Especially for famewhores who have no real work to show for themselves…

So, a large part of the old guard of Skeptics are just sniggering behind the scenes at the moment, waiting to see how this will all play out and what will come first:  the end of the showmance, or the end of Ben’s career in Hollywood.

The other drawback to the “my wife and child are not PR stunts” quote was that a large number of either casual fans or non-fans who just happened to read the interview Googled his personal life and wacky conspiracy theorist fans, and ended up at our doorstep.  

The reason I know that is because my inbox exploded and I received a boost of around 400 new followers during that time.  The majority of those newly formed Skeptics has remained with us and are much more judgemental regarding Ben and the showmance than that old guard of Skeptics I mentioned earlier.

And this judgement is not contained only within the Skeptical community of course.  The more Ben retreats and doesn’t put himself out there to charm members of the general public, the less his name comes up in conversation anymore.  And the more negative the comment sections on articles about him get.  And the less his name trends on social media.  

A closet Skeptic sent me a link to that new Omaze post today (LINK), pointing out most of the replies were … not great.

I don’t understand people who don’t care about a celebrity and bitch and moan about it instead of just scrolling past a post about a charitable cause Tumblr put on their dash, but I can understand people’s frustration with the Benedict Cumberbatch brand as it’s evolved.

Benedict Cumberbatch used to be a ray of sunshine.  He’s quickly becoming dull.  

And this is coming from someone who still calls herself very much a fan, regardless of what I have to say about the way he sold out his nonexistent family life to the tabloids.  But I will say this:  I’m getting really tired of waiting for Ben to finally be signed by a major studio onto a film that’s worthy of his talent which I can sink my teeth into.