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deluweil · 2 years ago

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My biggest question is: how are they going to wrap all the stories in 40 minutes!?!!??

There’s a lot to tell: Madney, the bridge thing, the sperm donor story, Natalia/Marisol, hopefully some Buddie…

I’m really intrigued about how they’re gonna play it all!

It's a LOT for 40 minutes, I am not completely sure that they can wrap all of it up in one episode.

I have a feeling that for all of KR love for wrapping up stories for the season, this one has the potential to end on a cliffhanger.

I believe that the Madney situation may only be resolved next season, the bridge thing is totally dependent on when in the episode it happens, if it is at the end of 6x17, like 4x13 when Eddie was shot? Or maybe a cliffhanger where we're left to wonder if one of our favorite firefighters live through this disaster.

Buck's talk with Connor told me two things, one Connor is not entirely sure he wants a baby or ready to have one, now that it's a reality, and something is waiting just around the corner for Buck.

Now the clown in me says that all the references from both Buck and Eddie to the future and things becoming very real very soon have a hidden, or maybe not so hidden, message that buddie canon is very near. I'm optimistic that way.

So Buck, imo, came to terms with the sperm donor thing, but I don't think the couple itself has their story resolved. I'm semi hoping they ask Buck to be godfather, or for Connor to get cold feet and for Cameron to come to Buck for help with her birth and later with the baby.

But those are all fanfics materials lol, we'll see.

The Cameron thing, imo, will probably happen in the beginning of the episode, thus leaving the firefam to maybe discuss it as the universe screams at them again, that life is short and they're wasting time.

I'm thinking maybe Natalia helps Buck come to terms with something, and they separate as friends or whatever, because dating Natalia will be pretty much dating Taylor under another profession, but same attitude.

Natalia is an interesting character, but she doesn't feel concrete enough to stick around, I think she's just a way for Buck to move past his ordeal and come to terms with whatever is holding him back now.

In my experience, those that find death fascinating were either touched by it (family members or trauma of some sort) or are facing the possibility of their own mortality, Natalia's motives to why she chose to be a death doula may shed light on what her function in this story is. -So if the disaster doesn't happen at the beginning of the episode, Natalia may show up to wrap up her appearance in this show at the beginning of 6x18.

Marisol, I'm pretty sure, is one if the victims most probably, in the bridge crash, I can't see any reason as to why she would suddenly show up, unless it's another one of Pepa's attempts at matchmaking lol.

If they do manage, by some miracle, to shove all of those things into one episode, it will probably end up being hurried and leave us with the same unsatisfied feeling we all experienced at the end of 3x18. (At least for me and my mutuals.) The train wreck resolution felt very anticlimactic, so I'm hoping 6x18 doesn't suffer the same fate.

As I've said before, this whole season we've been counting down to some bonus, as far as I'm concerned, it's time to put up or shut up, because we can't have so much character developments on all levels with all the characters only to be fated to watch them making the same mistakes all over again.

I do hope that we get a Bobby sending Buck away, while he and Ravi try to get to Eddie. While Buck, worried about Eddie, is making his way to save his older sister Hen and his future brother in law.

It's known from one of the bts pic that Chimney will be hurt badly, so I'm expecting something, emotional and heart-wrenching and frantic maybe, and maybe a little crazy Buck stunt 👀

I'm hoping, that once Eddie and Buck reunite we'll finally get a hug or better yet, a desperate 'you're a sight for sore eyes, I fucking love you' kiss.

Manifest with me 🙏✨️✨️✨️

Ps. Also manifest Buck's couch catching fire and Buck moving to the Diaz household where his favorite and chosen couch resides. 😌✨️🙏

#911 6x18 speculations #911 speculations #911 spoilers #too many guest stars #very confusing #but I'm excited for this episode #evan buckley #eddie diaz #buddie #bobby nash #chimney han #hen wilson #ravi panikkar #118 firefam #911 fox #911 on fox #manifesting ✨️ ✨️ ✨️

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roxtron · 3 months ago

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okay, I wanna try to get my points across as well as I can, but ultimately this is just gonna be a ramble directly from my thoughts so don't expect it to be super formatted/structured I guess. cut in case people don't want to read a paragraph of text because this will inevitably get pretty long lol

Okay, so, I don't really know how to go about this, but as a tldr here, I don't think there's a way for the ending of this series to truly be a satisfying ending if it ends up being this short. I think even if the finale is good, the series spent so much time building up these plot points that I ultimately don't believe could be tied up in a satisfying way during one single episode. Like, okay. I can't speak for other people, I can only speak for my own experience and one other person I rambled with about this, but I feel like all the episodes we have up until this point feel like they were building up to the beginning of a great show, not building up to the end of it. Everything we have so far has (mostly) been plot episode after plot episode leading us directly to this finale, that it honestly feels like we got the build up to a season finale, not a series finale.

Regardless of the writers intentions, in my own experience I feel like a lot of the writing indicated the beginning of something. A lot of character arcs and development were either happening over one conversation in one episode, or as one-liner throwaway jokes.. (Honestly, think about it off the top of your head here, a lot of N's issues, especially with self-confidence and the way other people feel about and treat him- Was that really conveyed to us in a serious way at any point leading up to this? Because from my memory it was mostly one-liner throwaway jokes, mostly only from episode one too! It felt like his development was getting sort of sidelined to give more spotlight to Uzi, which I was initially fine with, because I assumed we'd have time to develop him during later episodes! And now we only have one episode left and I feel like he's really just.. had a few moments here and there.) Okay, distracted ramble aside, my point is there's a lot of loose ends I feel like won't have enough time to be tied up in a satisfying way. Did V survive? And if not then, honestly why? If J can be rebuilt after having her body destroyed, I don't see why V couldn't, especially when the only people that were capturing their cores are now dead, and they were worker drones, so it doesn't seem like they'll be coming back anytime soon. Even then her transition felt very abrupt as well.. like, she kind of hated Uzi for the majority of the series, and her switch to trusting her in that episode felt very sudden, it didn't feel very built up at all considering she's spent pretty much every episode up until now being afraid of her and thinking she needs to be destroyed, and now she just.. trusts the person she thinks (and ended up being right to predict) Cyn has control over. I assumed if V came back they'd at least get to discuss it in future episodes or something but, ah, nope, one episode left to resolve that plot point, if they even decide to bring it up at all. I was intending to have that paragraph go over more loose ends they'd need to tie up but apparently I had a lot to say about V. Anyways.. There's definitely a lot of plot points to be wrapped up, mainly in the cliffhanger with J and the other worker drones, for SO many reasons. Agh. The worker drones haven't had that much screentime to develop them, and again, I thought it'd be cool to see these background characters get their time to shine and expand the cast now that the story is expanding to such high stakes! but ah, no, only one episode to do that, so they'll ultimately probably get, what, a couple minutes of screentime? 5-10 tops? It's gonna be very hard for them to break out of their stereotypical molds and feel like actual fleshed out characters when there's so little time left, and it's unlikely much of it will even be spent on them. And fucking Khan.

We can all objectively agree he's a pretty bad neglectful father right? Personally I don't care if "he's trying," he seems to completely ignore Uzi's emotional state until it becomes a problem, and again, let's not forget the pilot where he LEFT HER TO DIE. I feel like you can't even take the route of "oh he was worried about his safety" because like.. yeah. he was worried about himself, and didn't care what happened to her. All he had to do was listen to her and take the gun, but he didn't even want to try. For all Uzi's on-the-nose rambling about it, she's right. I don't know why the show is acting like he's just a funny side character now. And again, now that we only have ONE EPISODE LEFT I don't believe any finale, no matter how well written, is really going to be able to successfully redeem him, possibly through him risking his life with one action in the finale, completely ignoring Uzi's entire childhood, as if him doing one good thing now would make up for what he's done in the past. Personally it feels almost inevitable that an ending like that would come across as a last-minute redemption. It needs buildup, and we didn't get much of that. Especially considering the only other time he tried to help her back in the prom episode- literally could've led to her death. He hasn't really contributed to the plot or characters in a positive way at all.. Maybe I'm more specifically sensitive to this issue than other people would be, but personally I find last-minute redemptions (not even arcs, just, redemptions.) for shitty parent characters to be really annoying. As if one moment could make up for all the years worth of harm they've done leading up to this.

Anyway. it's not just that. those are the biggest issues that come to mind, but honestly? I think the whole N x Uzi ship is made a lot worse by this being the finale? I never liked it to begin with, I'm not going to say it was objectively bad or anything, but personally I thought their dynamic as friends was far more interesting, and shipping them just felt like a 'boy protagonist and girl protagonist need to get together' thing.. heteronormativity, woo... I feel like it's made their characters less developed in the long run, but I can acknowledge that's mostly my own personal opinion and potential bias showing. But ultimately, if they go through with it and 'confirm' it in the finale (as if they haven't been shoving it in the audience's faces the whole time with all the random blushing scenes and whatnot) I honestly think that's gonna make it look a lot worse, since, considering how fast-paced each episode moves from plot point to plot point.. it's gonna feel like they barely had any time to know each other before being officially 'in love.' Like, correct me if it's ever stated anywhere, but with how quickly episodes move from one point to the next, it feels like the plot only takes place over the course of, maybe a few weeks? So for them to already be 'in love' by that point feels like. you barely knew each other. what. I think this being the buildup into something they could explore further next season (assuming both of them can even make it out alive, but hell if one of them does they could always reflect in retrospect) kept it from being too annoying for me, since it felt like this was, again, the beginning of something, the teasing of it leading up to something that would be explored later. I still didn't like it, but I felt like at least the longer it sits eventually it'll go somewhere that actually adds depth to the plot, right..? But eh.. I don't think it does? It just kinda makes it feel like Uzi ends up crushing on any guy in front of her tbh, considering her other implied crush is Thad, I think. Her instantly getting a crush on N after they just met (especially considering their circumstances really should be making her hesitant to grow to trust him, not just.. instantly falling for him for no reason when they barely know each other..) just makes everything feel weaker in my opinion. Unless they wanna pull some 'power of love' thing at the end (which is also gonna feel. weird.) I personally feel like their connection would've been more meaningful if it were kept platonic. Having them be romantically interested in each other feels more like a simplification of their dynamic than giving it any additional depth. It just feels like it takes away depth in favor of shipping. But hey, that's mostly opinion based, at least more so than everything else I've said.

But overall I just think.. so much of the plot felt interesting because I thought we'd have time to develop it more, to develop the characters more, but we don't. We have one episode left and I feel like a lot of the characters have mostly been developed through a few conversations here and there and throwaway jokes. It feels like the show so rarely takes its characters seriously to the point that it feels like they've barely gotten any moments of real development because half their dialogue is just trying to be funny. That's where I get to talking about filler. In most shows, filler would be considered a bad thing, people don't generally like it, or at least criticize it more openly, take Steven Universe for example. If you've seen anything of that fandom's critique, you'll get what I mean. But the problem people had with shows like that is that they spent too much time on filler and barely developed its plot.

As weird as this may sound, I feel like Murder Drones has the opposite problem. It feels like they took most fandom's critiques of "this show went on for too long, therefore if it was shorter, it would be good." and just ran with it without stopping to think about why that critique applied to that specific show. I honestly think the show being so short makes it far less enjoyable in retrospect, because it feels like if this was the plan from the beginning, if the show was really going to end here.. it needed more time to properly develop it as a finale. It needed more time to feel like everything up until this point actually mattered and felt complete. As it stands now, I don't think that's going to be the case..

I think the problem is, ironically, they spent so much time on plot during most of their episodes, it feels like they were so focused on establishing the setting/worldbuilding and leaving character interactions to just be comedic relief, that the characters feel underdeveloped compared to everything else. (That, and it really doesn't help that this story isn't easy to follow on a first watch at all. A lot of plot points are explained through blink-and-you'll-miss-it moments to the point that I feel like you usually need to rewatch episodes or watch people talk about those freeze-frames in order to understand the more intricate details of what's going on/what's happened. But that's a side tangent.. I think this would've worked fine if it had been buildup, something that would continue to be explained/expanded on in-show later, but to expect your audience to pay attention to those freeze-frames and blink-and-you'll-miss-it moments is kind of alienating a casual audience that wants to be able to understand the plot without pausing the show every couple seconds for certain episodes. Anyway..) I feel like the characters development has been so surface-level up until this point I assumed it wasn't over, I assumed it would be expanded on, or at the very least N's treatment by V and J would be brought up again! They clearly damaged his self-confidence a lot, it feels very odd to brush that off as a "funny haha" thing when we're talking about a character's self confidence and identity. There's so many little things like that that I thought would be expanded on, and ultimately it seems like they may never be.

Personally? I think the show could've used more filler episodes to develop the characters more. Episodes that may not advance the plot but advance the characters dynamics and development. Instead it feels like those elements have been pushed aside, deemed secondary to explaining Cyn's lore and whatnot. I think the reason why shorter shows like this can work is ultimately because of how little they have going on to begin with. the best example I can think at the moment is Over the Garden wall, which amounted to I think also around 9 episodes? with most being around 10 minutes or so if I remember correctly. The reason that show worked so well is because the premise was so simple and character-driven. The moments that felt like they barely served the plot felt like they still had purpose because they served the characters, and at worst were a small bit of worldbuilding that helps add to the setting. The few episodes that were entirely plot-focused with no filler whatsoever were used more sparingly, and that's part of why they worked. It's like the whole thing with having a dark story with no lighthearted moments to balance it out, if you never see the characters happy, then seeing them continue to be upset doesn't have as much meaning, does it? I feel like it's the same kind of idea here. Our characters are so underdeveloped because the episodes have been so plot-focused I feel like we barely know anything about them and what they're thinking throughout all of this. We get some moments here and there but it's all so.. background in my opinion, and that's really sad to me. Especially because I think the Prom episode sort of shows that they're willing to do filler episodes like that. It's so odd in retrospect because that felt like the most blatant filler episode possible, they go to prom, doll tries to kill people- well, V was already gonna do that, so what else is new! It feels like there were ultimately only a couple minutes worth of screentime that contributed to the plot/characters, and the rest felt kinda skippable by comparison. Worse yet I feel like the prom setting made it feel like blatant shipping bait which.. I think I've already shown how I feel about that so I'll just ignore it for now. I'm not saying the prom episode shouldn't exist or that it should be skipped. My point is that it's a good example that they can create episodes that barely affect the larger plot but do spend at least some of that time building the characters, although not too much, i'll take something over nothing. My point is that I think they should've had more of this. (In concept, please, no more ship-bait prom episodes. can we let that trope go please?) If we had spent more time with episodes like this that build the characters a bit while only contributing to the main plot slightly, I say that's good! the show feels like it's trying so hard to cram all of its lore into the timeslot of the episode that having an episode where they don't do that means we have more time to focus on the characters and just breathe from the loredumping. I dunno. I'm tired, I've been rambling a while, but my point is with the way the show is in its current state, I honestly have severe doubts the finale is going to deliver on all the hype its built for itself. I think the show should've gone on longer, either pacing out the plot we already have across a wider range of episodes, allowing for the same finale but with a lot more buildup to justify it being a finale.. or something as simple as a season two.

I absolutely have to clarify I don't say this as a hater or whatever or someone who's watched this show only seeing the negatives in it, because I didn't! I was a bit critical/skeptical of the first few episodes but ultimately leading up to this I was hyped for it! I thought we'd get time to expand on these interesting ideas, and I was excited to see where things would go, but knowing this is the end.. I'm back to being skeptical. I don't think the finale is going to automatically be terrible or anything like that. I'll still watch it hoping it turns out the best it can be- But ultimately, I think by the simple nature of this being a finale, no matter how well they pull it off, I don't think it's ultimately going to justify all the development and loose ends that are going to feel very left behind. I think even if the finale is amazing, simply the fact that this is all the time we were given with so many different ideas fighting for screentime- it's going to make the series harder to enjoy in retrospect, at least for me. I have hope for it, I do hope it's a good finale, but ultimately, I have my doubts that it'll be a satisfying one. I can only hope I'm proven wrong, but hey, I figure it's worth rambling on about, why not?

would you guys tolerate me if I rambled about how I feel like murder drones is too short to have a satisfying ending if this truly is the finale to the entire series. or would that be annoying. because I have so many thoughts about it and I'm gonna be honest I'm going into this finale way more cautious and critical than before

#i'm not tagging this because i don't want to piss people off and get a bunch of stans sent after me or anything but #eh. hopefully people that see this can respect my opinion here #or at the very least agree to disagree on it. i wanna be able to ramble about my thoughts and ideas but if it gets me hate ultimately #i'll probably just end up deleting this because i don't wanna start drama. i just wanna ramble about my thoughts about a show i enjoyed

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antiloreolympus · 3 years ago

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8 Anti LO Asks

1. the thing is like even the poets we draw from get critiqued too. a lot of people thought hesiod was an evangelist with an agenda to push, homer (if they existed) was often lampooned for contradicting lines and spending too much time making lists than developing the story, aeschylus and euripides were both seen as biased and cynical and were often mocked, along with many more, and yet LO fans think their kiwi tumblr fave is somehow above all of them and shouldn't be critiqued? Get over yourselves

2. the problem with the 'make your own story" argument is that, assuming you try to retell hxp at least, youll have LO fans attacking you for "stealing" from rachel, who in turn never promotes or supports other retellings unless it adheres to her worldview (such as OSP). say what you will on punderworld or ficlets, but they always prop up lesser known creators with their platforms, meanwhile rachel when tasked with helping others (like Lets Play) she made it about herself. that speaks volumes.

3. a lot of LO fans think antis are just randomly haters but that's not true. Most of us were once devoted fans who couldn't ignore all the issues anymore and who still remember when it had promise and effort put into it, not the rushed husk it is now. It isnt just blindly hating it, it's being annoyed & disappointed of what could have been and how much the comic has declined and how the fans refuse to acknowledge its faults. How would we know how badly its gone down if we weren't fans once?

4. idk man i wouldnt tell people who dislike lo to make their own comics because those end up being way better. reylos did the same thing to disney over how badly they hated the last star wars movie and now their fanfics are becoming NYT bestsellers. just saying.

5. Maybe I'm dating myself here but one of the funniest parts of fandom used to be the most devoted fans calling out the bad stuff in what we liked and discussing it, because it was fan to pick it apart and clown on it. IDK why now LO fans and people like them are so convinced they can only mindlessly praise with no dissent and all critique is invalid. It's basic critical thinking skills that one can like something and still acknowledge the flaws. It's a bad look to admit you can't do so IMHO.

6. lo fans really need to get off this high horse that lo is perfect and therefore can never be criticized. even the best pieces of work ever have actual things to critique within them, and lo is not somehow better than all of them to not be critiqued as well. its an ever growing list of issues lo keeps adding up because of who is behind. sorry, rachel, if you want sole credit for the writing and art, you have to own all the critiques too, and the fans needs to accept it.

7. sorry, LO fans, but we are allowed to critique a work that gets so much privleges that even other webtoon creators dont get (seriously, the majority stull have to live off commission work while working on a full time comic) meanwhile rachel gets away with bad writing, cliffhangers that aren’t resolved for years, worsening art, and her bad and entitled attitude all while the company constantly promotes her while the majority of their catalog doesn’t, she has a full team rushing work for her while she at best does sketches and the occasional banner art, and gets her a bunch of media deals that the rest won’t ever get even a scrap of, all while already being a well off, privileged white woman who cries to her thousands of fans when her ego is bruised because more and more people are noticing her shitty politics and morals put into her work and are rightfully calling it out. at the very least you’d think someone in such a high rank at one of the worlds biggest media houses would actually put in the effort to make the best product she can and respect the people and culture she’s making bank off of, but she’s not and frankly does not seem like she ever will. She quite literally said it’s HER story and she’s allowed to do what she wants with it, and has spoken over Greeks time and time again that their input doesn’t matter over her personal feelings and thoughts. you don’t see other people in her position who also made bank (such as Rick Riordan or Madeline Miller) treat Greece and it’s people so awfully as her, her fans, and her product do, yet she gets all the excuses in the world while the above mentioned and others work on their mistakes and try to always put their best products out there, all while respecting Greece and it’s stories and even giving platforms to the underrepresented, meanwhile Rachel herself can’t even keep colors in line or keep designs on model while her writing gets more and more nonsensical, with her status only going to enrich herself and her ego while the rest are clinging to survive. God willing, maybe another mythology webtoon will be picked up to give her some competition and actually force her to put in the work for the rewards she earned off the backs of others, and that can’t happen soon enough.

8. NGL, kinda funny that LO Stan defends it by claiming people who dislike it are just “hacks like the woman behind 50 shades” like … uh … you know LO is ripped off from 50 shades, right? Like quite literally, it’s almost point for point exactly the same as 50 shades, down to the CEO with mommy issues and BDSM mixed with weird obsessions over a college girl’s virginity and a jealous ex who is into it versus the pure MC. Rachel is literally the hack ripping off 50 shades that that stan is claiming antis are. Wild stuff.

Anyway both the 50 shades woman and Rachel owe Stephanie Meyers a lot of money Bc they both in turn just ripped off Twilight anyway lol

Based on this post:

https://alatismeni-theitsa.tumblr.com/post/663420719494053888/why-not-write-a-take-of-your-own-on-the-myths

#anti lo #anti lore olympus #lore olympus critical #lo critical

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candlewaxandp0lar0ids · 2 years ago

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Replies to comments and tags for when he sees me under the cut!

@biribarabiribbaem said:

OH DANG the sting of pain at the end of this did not expect this to be the angsty part ! I know Minho is right now desperately debating to get downstairs and do something about it. I KNOW. Make this part one of oh so many parts because you're so good at this we want more, hell I want more 🧐 plus the boys magic mikeing .... Well. Kudos for that like so many kudos.

Yeah that ‘angst’ warning really took all of its meaning in that very last scene lol. Minho... has a lot of complicated feelings that I’ll get into more if I write a part 2 so I’m keeping my mouth shut for now 👀 Thank you so so much for your kind words 💕

@chicalove said:

My god it’s amazing!

Thank you so much 😊

@minaamhh said:

omggg that was so gooooood 🥹💕 Can’t wait for the next!! Do you have a taglist ? I want to be in it plss

Thank youuuu! I don’t know yet if I’ll make more parts to this, but if I do I’ll make sure to tag you in it!

@emayzcaregiver28 said:

So good. I love it. But that cliffhanger and sting at the end. 😬

Aah yeah, sorry about that, hopefully it’s worth it though. Thank you for the comment 😊

@f-forfluff said:

This was so good! But the end 😭 the hopeless romantic in me is holding on for more!

Thank youuuu, there is definitely hope for these two! I only write with happy endings in mind, so I promise they’d be okay... eventually ;-;

@btssmutgalore said:

i LOVE this

Thank you SO much! Can I also say, I’ve been following your writing for a while (on here and on ballelino) and it’s an honor to see you comment on one of my stories 🥺

@theangelsangmetosleep said:

Man this really gave me permanent minho brain rot 💀 i have a huge crush on your version of minho rn, even though the ending stinged like a bitch. I hope they‘ll resolve the situation! I‘m looking forward to more parts in the future 🫶

Well it’s my pleasure, happy you enjoyed him 😁 Thank you so much for your kind words 💕

@laylasbunbunny said:

Lord have mercy how could Minho do that!🧎🏾‍♀️🫣

I can say that he does have some justification for it, at least in his opinion, but I’ll get more into that if I write a part two, so I won’t spoil the fun now eheh

@aunty-tiger-potato said:

Thank youuuu, the fluff parts in this were so much fun to write! Some cuddles would have been nice, but it’s probably a little early for that for them sadly ;-; I’m super happy you enjoyed it!

@spicygotlost said:

I’m starting to feel really bad for putting mc through all that damn, I promise they eventually figure it out and if I write a part two it will work out 😭 Thank you so much for the reblog and the kind words!

@justanothergirlfromeurope said:

Ah, it’s always so nice to see your tags on my stories!! It genuinely means so much that you take the time of leaving them <3 And I’m so glad you enjoyed the story, indeed the anxious thoughts are what made me add the ‘unreliable narrator’ tag, because mc really struggles with whether or not to trust herself. Thank you so so much for the kind words 💕

@neosfw said:

Well, the angst is there pretty much with the hope of causing this exact reaction I’m afraid, sorry ‘bout that 😭 And yeah, I’m always cautious when adding the ‘Unreliable Narrator’ tag because I don’t want it to sound like they’re lying. Here it’s the anxiety that made it relevant I think, it’s not that MC is misrepresenting anything on purpose, but she’s just... wrong about stuff sometimes. Thank youuuu for the comment, always love to see people keysmash in the tags on my posts 😁

@ohbytheangelcanyounot said:

Thank you so much, so happy you enjoyed it 😊

#when he sees me #replies

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murasaki-murasame · 3 years ago

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Thoughts on Higurashi Sotsu Ep10

I’m kinda out of it due to a mix of toothache and painkillers, so bare with me on this one, lmao.

Anyway, thoughts under the cut. Also lots of Umineko spoilers, probably.

I’m genuinely kinda shocked that this arc STILL isn’t over, but at least it makes a lot more sense now why it ended up being longer than I expected, lol. I still think it probably could have been condensed by an episode or two, but still. It turns out that way more was going on with Satoko behind the scenes in this arc than I thought.

There’s also the whole possibility that Ryukishi might have intentionally laid out the script of Gou/Sotsu so that this whole sequence of Satoko definitively accepting that she’s a witch and killing her humanity happened on the cumulative 34th episode [24 from Gou and now 10 from Sotsu]. I’ve been wondering if anything could actually justify the extremely slow pacing this has had up to this point, but this might actually be dumb enough to make me think it was all worth it, lol.

Also, I’ve been trying to avoid saying it, but I looked at the whole batch of leaks from this arc when they got posted about a month ago, and it looks like we’ve officially covered everything that was in those leaks. I kinda regret looking at them, since it spoiled that Satoko would have an internal conflict that gets expressed literally in usual WTC fashion, but in a funny way I guess I ended up getting a misguided idea of what was going to happen just from looking at the leaks.

For one thing, I completely forgot about the leak of Satoko shooting Teppei until I double checked it a few days ago, so I was mostly just focused on the stuff about her two sides fighting against each other, and I guess I thought it would have made her seem a lot more redeemable than how it ended up actually working out, lol. I thought that it would basically go in the opposite direction and this would signal the start of her spiraling into regret and despair over the course of Nekodamashi, but basically the opposite happened.

I guess this probably answers the question I’ve had of what could stop Satoko from just immediately shooting Rika after the cliffhanger from Nekodamashi, since this raises the possibility of her ‘human side’ literally stopping her from doing it.

Though at this point I’m starting to seriously wonder if there’ll be some big meta twist about how Sotsu has actually been a separate set of loops to what we saw in Gou, and maybe Nekodamashi really did just end in tragedy and then everything got reset. I’ve been toying with that idea in my head for a while, mainly just as a way to try and make Sotsu feel like more than just a literal retread of Gou, but this is giving it a bit more validity as a theory.

For one thing, Eua already implied during Satokowashi that she had a history with Satoko, and going by something Ryukishi said in an interview, there’s already been a time where Satoko called her Eua, so it’s possible that Satokowashi onward is an entirely new loop where both Satoko and Rika have had their memories reset, but Eua still remembers it. Presumably the ‘Gou loop’ would have just ended with failure some way or another, and Eua decided to do it again. She’s given Satoko a pretty definitive failure state in Sotsu, but it’s possible that wasn’t always the case, and up until now she’s been willing to just do it over and over again until she gets the right outcome.

There’s also the theory some people have suggested that maybe the conflict between Satoko’s two halves represented a literal split in the timeline of some kind, with Tataridamashi maybe being a version of events where her human side won out, if only temporarily, and Teppei stayed alive to attack Keiichi at the end of the arc. That’d at least be one way to explain the weirdness of Satoko killing Teppei in this episode after we saw him attack Keiichi at the end of this arc in Gou. I’m not entirely sure I support this exact interpretation, though, even if I like the idea of these maybe being different arcs.

I think that for now my theory about the Teppei situation is that either 1: it was some kind of hallucination from Keiichi, 2: it was a fictionalized account of events that she fed to Ooishi to help trigger his L5 state, or 3: it’s the same sort of thing as the ‘Illusion of Witches’ in Umineko, and we as the audience were directly being shown a fantasy version of events by Satoko. Which is basically the same thing as the second option, but still. Considering how this seems to be barreling it’s way towards being some kind of Umineko prequel, I’ve been wondering if maybe they’d go that far with introducing narrative concepts here that get expanded upon more in Umineko. This would at least be a pretty straightforward example to use to illustrate the idea of how fantasy is used as a device in Umineko. And since there were infamously major issues with people not understanding what Ryukishi was trying to do with those scenes in Umineko ep2 which lead to him having to rewrite ep3 to explain it more clearly, I can see why he might go as far as to include an introduction to this idea in this series.

It’s possible that it’s just a hallucination, but I kinda doubt it at this point. For one thing, it’d feel kinda weird if THIS was a hallucination but not the whole fight scene between Keiichi and Rena, but it’d also just feel kinda weird since Keiichi didn’t really seem to be going L5 in this arc, so it’s kinda hard to imagine him jumping straight to that level of insanity on such short notice.

At least if we assume that this leads into the ending we saw in Tataridamashi, and not something entirely different, I think the real version of events is probably that after leading Keiichi to her house, Satoko attacks him with the bat [or she rigged some kind of trap to knock him out], and then when he wakes up he sees the aftermath of Satoko killing Teppei and he assumes he did it. Though tbh even at the end of Tataridamashi I’m not even sure if Keiichi acknowledged any memory of what happened with Teppei, so I’m not even sure if we need to explain how he’d end up convinced that that version of events happen. For all we know it might just be something that the audience alone was being shown, and from Keiichi’s POV he just gets knocked out and then wakes up in the hospital.

It’s possible that Ooishi ends up attacking him, but I kinda doubt it, at least after how this episode went. Even in the midst of HS, he seemed aware of the fact that Keiichi was at worst just being unwittingly manipulated by the villagers, and that he genuinely thought he was helping her, so I doubt that Satoko would be able to convince him to attack him. And at this point it just seems more likely that Satoko would attack Keiichi herself instead of pointlessly relying on someone else to do it for her.

We do know that he shows up at the festival with the bloody bat, but he could have just entered the house after hearing the commotion of Keiichi getting attacked, and then Satoko told her version of events to him, and he just picked up the bat from the crime scene and took it to the festival.

It’s also worth noting that apparently in the manga version of Tataridamashi, Satoko never even leads Keiichi to her house in the first place, and he just gets shot by Ooishi at the festival, which makes it seem more likely that Keiichi himself isn’t super relevant to how this arc ends. At least in the manga version of the arc, it seems like Ooishi probably just walked in on Teppei’s dead body and then picked up the bat and went on to do his killing spree.

Now I’m also wondering what’ll happen in the next episode, since it seems like they literally only have the festival left to cover before this arc ends. I guess there might just be a lot of content related to what happens with Satoko in the fragment space between this arc and Nekodamashi, but either way it feels like it shouldn’t take long at all to reach the big climax of this arc, especially since Satoko has already steeled her resolve. I mean, I doubt that human-Satoko is gone for good, but the rest of this arc is probably just gonna be witch-Satoko putting her final plans into motion, so there shouldn’t be much to cover there.

There’s a possibility that they’ll also speedrun through all of Nekodamashi from her POV in the next episode, but I kinda doubt it’d go by that fast. In spite of it mostly being a montage from Rika’s POV, and there presumably not being much worth showing about the mechanics and reasoning behind how Satoko set up the different mini-loops there, I think there’s still a fair bit to be shown from her perspective in that arc. For one thing, we’ll probably get a reveal of what was really going on behind the scenes with how Hanyuu suddenly gave Rika a new set of powers, and the whole deal with the sword. And even after the loop montage, I think that stuff will go on behind the scenes with Satoko and Takano to lead into the scene where Takano apologizes to Rika.

At this point my main question is how long it might take to get through all of that, since we only have five episodes left. At least as far as we know. There might be some kind of continuation yet to be announced, but I don’t want to bet on it.

It just feels like there’s a whole lot of stuff left to do before we end this. Like the stuff I’ve mentioned before with the OP having scenes of the club members as teenagers wearing outfits different to their ones from Satokowashi, and the scene of teenage Rika and Satoko fighting in the fragment space.

I’m also wondering at this point if we’ll get some Bernkastel origin story stuff to go with the apparent Lambda origin story. At the very least, they never really explained why she ended up being Featherine’s miko in Umineko, aside from the vague ‘Featherine is probably some version of Hanyuu’ thing. Which has been especially weird since Eua has been using Satoko as her pawn against Rika in this series. But this episode also makes it seem even more likely that Eua doesn’t even like Satoko, and is just using her as a pawn towards a greater goal of entertainment, while probably also playing both sides, so I could see this leading to a situation where she ends up working with Bernkastel instead.

There’s still the question about if this is even a Lambda origin story in the first place, but at this point I think that it’d just be a straight up waste of time if it’s not. That basically feels like the entire purpose of Gou/Sotsu’s existence right now, so if it’s all some sort of elaborate troll, then that just feels like it’d make EVERYONE pissed off. It’d obviously annoy the Umineko fans who like the idea of this being a genuine prequel or tie-in of some kind, but for the people on the opposite end who hate that idea, I don’t think they’d appreciate being told ‘I was just spending nearly 50 episodes tricking you into thinking this was something you’d hate, lol’. It just seems like the worst of both worlds.

Also, I’m pretty open to different variants of how they could pull off the specifics of this being a ‘Lambda origin story’. Like, I still think it’d count if this ends up being set after Umineko and is some kind of elaborate reenactment of how Lambda came to be, or whatever. There’s a lot of specific ways it could be executed, but it’d basically just be the same thing at the end of the day.

I know that witch Satoko right now doesn’t have the same sort of personality that Lambda had, but like with how Beatrice went through multiple design iterations that changed her personality, Satoko might just end up going through more development that makes her closer to the Lambda we know in Umineko. There’s also the fact that the end of Umineko already implied that Bernkastel was just ‘playing the villain’ for fun, so Lambda’s whole personality there might have been somewhat manufactured.

I guess at this point I just have to wonder if we’ll see Satoko come up with the name Lambdadelta for herself, lol. Even back in Higurashi we saw how Rika came up with the name Bernkastel, so if they’re really going in this direction, it’d make sense. I know Satoko is still calling herself Satoko by this point, but just a few episodes ago she denied that she was becoming a witch, and now she’s calling herself one, so these things can change, lol.

Anyway, this whole episode ended up being more Umineko-y than I expected. Even aside from the obvious stuff with them using the term witch, the whole fight between the two Satokos in the fragment space was exactly the sort of thing you’d see in Umineko, down to the fact that it was a gun fight like the love trial was. The imagery of the red cracks on the black background, and the entire screen shattering like glass, also felt like it was lifted straight out of Umineko.

Even if it might be kinda cheesy and forced, the monkey brain part of me really likes this stuff, lol.

Come to think of it, I guess this also makes it a lot more likely in hindsight that her classroom panic attack in this arc really was [at least in part] a representation of her two sides clashing. I think she always planned to do it as a recreation of that scene from Tatarigoroshi, but when it actually started her human side bled through and her genuine regret came through as well. I also assume that all the shots in this arc of her looking uncomfortable or depressed, especially around Teppei, were probably also setting up for this. Which I think is fine, but they probably should have been a little more clear about it, since it came across as her just faking everything, and this ended up feeling more sudden than it should have. I get why people would still see it as being sudden and unearned, but I don’t really think so. They probably should have included more stuff like that during the first two arcs of Sotsu, though.

I’m curious to see if I’ll end up being right about my theory that the sword will end up being used as a plot device to completely separate Satoko’s witch self, and maybe Rika’s as well, into their own beings separate from Rika and Satoko in the ‘real world’. It still feels like the only way to have this actually set up for Umineko without having things end in total tragedy for Rika and Satoko in general.

There’s probably a lot more I could say about this episode, but I think this has gone on long enough as it is, lol.

#murasaki rambles #higurashi #higurashi sotsu

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lookimamoviereviewer · 3 years ago

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Hard Cell (2022)

Rating: 9.3

Things I liked: - Consistency was kept between episodes and plot points felt felt like that actually had an impact on the overall story - The cast of characters was very diverse, both physically and in personality. Each felt fleshed out, or at least had the illusion of being fleshed out. Additionally, I liked that the story focused specifically on a few characters (Ange, Ros, Anastasia, etc.) and the reasons why wasn’t revealed until the end. - THAT LAST EPISODE HOLY SHIT. I watched it and my mouth literally dropped open. Every plot point built up and culminated in this amazing twist. I think the reason that plot twist worked so well was because the entire rest of the show is very comedic, so you don’t expect there to actually be a twist. Then when it happens and resolves (if you can call that a resolution lol) everything that doesn’t have a conclusion its just like, wow - Most of the humour was really good. For me, I often find British humour very hit or miss, and I’m happy to say that the show kept the edge but made jokes that were still funny. - Lesbians! And ones with a positive and supportive relationship!

Things I didn’t like: - That slow mo shot of Dean and Laura running through the hallway while all the inmates puked - The repeated gag of Laura hating the janitor/maintenance official (I can’t remember his name) wasn’t as funny as I think the show thought it was. I did like the reveal of him purposely bumping into her in the hallways though - Gary. I think that’s intentional though.

Conclusion: I was not expecting to like this show as much as I did. I really didn’t. But I found that the pacing, the humour, the characterization, and that goddamn plot twist to be extremely well thought out and executed. I loved the messages of this show, good and bad, and I absolutely recommend it to anyone who enjoys a fun (and slightly heart breaking) mockumentary. I 100% will watch a season 2 if they make one, but would also be happy if they leave it on the cliffhanger.

NOTE: I know this isn’t a movie! I am also going to be reviewing shows, because I want to. I should also note that I’ve definitely missed a lot of things writing this. There’s so much to keep track of when watching a show.

#hard cell #review #spoilers #tv series

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camelely · 3 years ago

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Good Trouble Finale...

Okay I liked that episode. It had all the elements to make a good finale, it fit the tone of the show, and it got us ready for the next season. It wasn't the best but I did really appreciate it. Anyone else think they did multiple cliffhangers so they could gage how the audience would want to see these plots end before actually writing an end lol?

First things first the Callie plot

Judge Wilson!!!! I'm so glad they brought him back to call out Callie in the dream sequence in the courtroom. It was so good. His speech. Roger Bart's delivery. The emotional impact and Maia's performance. It was a great scene and the perfect scene for both characters.

On to her actual plot. Why didn't they tell us the verdict? This whole season has been building on this case. If one thing needed to be resolved by the finale it should have been this. Also they brought up Jerrod but once again provided us with no updates!

It's interesting how all of Jamie's character development has been off screen. Like is it too much to ask for some of it to happen in front of us? It doesn't even need to be in front of Callie? Like we can just see him doing something or learning something outside the courtroom.

If all this is building to Jamie and Callie starting a firm together I would be here for it. But only if Callie takes in the message of actually listening to other people sometimes. It is important to fight but if you dont hear what others are saying how can you fight?

Callie needs to learn not every case is some big fight to change the system case. The justice system works best when both sides have decent legal representation and yes we live in a world where that rarely happens. And juries are rarely actually impartial. But Callie is a lawyer. She's not a politician and she's not a judge. She thinks she is morally superior to everyone around her and I'm so tired of it. I really hope the dream sequence finally pushes her into some character growth.

As for her and Gael I've always disliked them as a couple. In every season before this she has treated him like a second choice and never given him the support he deserved. Everytime she went to him it was because of a fight she had with Jamie or Mariana. It kinda felt like he was finally just returning the favor this season lol. Also like I said before I actually kinda like Isabella and I'm excited to see where Gael goes when he isn't attached to a bad love triangle plot.

TBH at this point I'd rather see Jamie and Gael be happy then actually try to work things out with Callie lol. They both seem to be in better places without her and she needs sometime without a guy.

The Mariana plot

Okay I hate it here. I know the message is friendships come first but like wtf the girls were really horrible to Mariana. It's really shitty that lady... jackie? stole the app idea and idk what I wanted from this plot but the fight club girls deciding to be friends with Mariana again just wasnt it. They treated her like shit all season. Also there were more of them at the start of the season lol. Also Jackie and Evan working together like wtf. Evan was a decent guy nothing in his character makes me think he would be the type of person to be vindictive after a break-up... this feels all sorts of weird and unnecessary. Even if they end it with him choosing to help Mariana I can't see this plot actually doing anything exciting tbh. Mariana is my favorite character and this plot is already exhausting, I have a feeling it's only going to get worse from here. Overall this was the worst plot of the season and I'm not happy to continue it into next season. I just want Mariana to be happy lol.

The Dennis plot

I love it. The truck connecting back to his past trauma and healing process is 10/10. The way he is finding a passion is 10/10. Overall 10/10 lol.

The Davia plot

Also mostly good. Again they chose a cliffhanger when in reality they didn't need to? I think if you dedicate an entire season of a show to a question and have the character (or a jury lol) come to decision in the finale and then choose to not tell the audience it cheapens the whole experience and drags a plot passed its expiration date. If you want a plot to end in a cliffhanger thats fine but this isn't a cliffhanger... this is just cutting out audio that should naturally be there... for the sake of creating fake tension. Doing it once is bad enough but twice in the same episode felt personal lol.

The Malika plot

Ah Malika and the only cliffhanger that actually works. Isaac. I love Isaac. Like he's amazing and I love him so much. I really liked how their plot was focused on Malika exploring how a Poly relationship could be/is right for her. The whole plot is really well done. If she decides she wants to be monogamous with Isaac I'd be okay with that as long as it is a well written thing focusing on her choices and not his. I also wouldnt mind if Isaac and her get closure and he moves on. I think him deciding to be poly could work but I also think he made it clear that isn't really what he is looking for. Maybe an open relationship or something like that could work for them? Idk exactly but I'm very excited to see where this all goes and I'm confident the writers will do right by these characters.

More exciting is her work/activism plot. It's clearly going to cause problems with her and Dyonte but honestly Dyonte and his personality is my least favorite part of the Malika plot lol. He reminds me of Speech from the band Arrested Development. That probably isn't a fair comparison and probably makes no sense but it's the vibe I get. I like Angelica and I hope her ex/friend is a good person. I have high hopes for this plot and I really hope GT doesn't let me down. Lol watch this be the worst plot next season and Mariana be the best just because I predicted the opposite.

The Alice plot

This was the one with the most consistent writing IMO. It wasn't perfect. They had some weird character choices/build with Alice's comedy group And honestly they could have cut the program down to like four finalists. All of them started to blend together anyway. I think bringing a few into the spotlight a little more would have helped balance the character choices and if one of them was to betray Alice it would have been more emotional if we actually knew them. I liked the choice to quit but it was a lot of money and a great opportunity too. It was a truly wild way to end the plot lol. As for her and Sumi... Okay so Sumi was my least favorite Alice LI, but over this last season she really grew on me and I'd be okay if they eventually found their way back to each other. For now I'm glad they are making the more responsible choice and staying friends.

Overall this finale was very much in keeping with the themes and choices the show tends to make. But it was 90 minutes long and didn't answer any of the big season long questions. It was a really well made episode though and I liked watching it.

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whencallstheheart · 4 years ago

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We’ll find out tonight if our predictions are correct!

Responses to the written questions are under the cut.

Where is Ned and what is he doing?

No idea

Business trip

Dealing with some financial issues.

Doing business in UC or Hamilton. Nothing major

He stayed behind next episode and will be back in the finale.

I think planning something for Florence, maybe expansion for the mercantile?

I don't know

I have no idea, wth!?!?

Yo i have no idea. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say he's trying to contact Florence's daughter who wasnt there for the wedding

Maybe he's visiting his daughter? Or expanding the Mercantile somehow

With Mike. Oil pipeline

Hiding

It sure

I have no clue honestly, maybe planning a surprise for Florence?

Perhaps...expanding his store? Or ordering something new to begin to be shipped to his.

something related to factory

Sussing out suppliers

Maybe something to do with the Wyman guy?

visiting his daughter

Buying a new house or a surprise for Florence

Visiting Abigail

Planning something special for Florence

He is doing something with his daughter

No clue

With his daughter

Planning to expand the mercantile to include deliveries (Hope Valley Amazon) lol

Not sure

I really dont know!

Made out a Will since he now is married to Florence

Business in Union City

Business, but he’ll be back

I don’t Know

I dont know. This one threw me!

Literally have no idea

maybe he will come back with his daughter who will come to live at HP

some sweet surprise/gift for Florence

He is involved im some growth in HV.

Taking care of business.

He's making a business deal somewhere

I have no idea. I think it was a weird to put in o.O

Making purchases for the store.

Business stuff somewhere

I don't know

i don't know

ned things

He just took the long way home...

Adopting Flo's son

Hiding

He is picking up a surprise order gift for Florence, and it’s taking longer than expected.

Fighting attempt to take over mercantile

Talking to a divorce lawyer. Or putting a pillow over Abigail's mom's face so she can bury her already and come back to Hope Valley for his buddy Henry's sake.

Honestly I’m not sure but interested to find out!

Idk honestly. Probably actually doing something sweet for Florence but she doesn't know it.

What's up with the Pinkertons?

Not sure

A storyline to bring a change of pace to the show.

I really Don’t know

Not sure, but I don’t think it will be resolved this season, maybe it’s the cliffhanger?

I don't know

They’re hired thugs like they were in S1, just there to show Walden is a bad guy despite appearances

Factory related

Up to no good! Don’t trust them.

Yo i dont even know. They look totally sketch but they are probably the good guys actually. I'm predicting they are after someone who's been wanted for a long time. I think it may be too easy to link them with the guy who took Jesse and Clara's money

Not sure yet

Working for Waldon

Railroad

Sneakily buying land

I couldn't care less about them

Perhaps something is in the cabin/someone they don't want found.

No idea

Something to do with the mine disaster (even though it's been ages).

we will see in season 9

Setting up a good storyline for season 9

Not sure maybe something to do with the new factory that might be built

Maybe it has to do with Henry

I have no idea, but I do not like them!

No good

Buying all the land

They have Jesse. Someone wants to reopen the mine and seek revenge on Elizabeth for his son going to jail (Spurlock).

Looking for some kind of hidden good

Shady dealings going on

Guarding the future factory site. But something extra at the cabin connected with Spurlock.

Trouble

An even bigger I dont know on this one. Like, what in the world???

Holding Jesse captive

I think they kidnapped Jesse because he found out what they were up to but I have no idea what that is

stumped on this one

That is difficult. He is apparently connected to S1 Spurlock. Is he there for revenge? Or, just a heavy hand like his relative?

Revenge? They want to take over Hope Valley.

Something sketchy, probably bigger than just whatever is going on with the cabin though.

Land grab

No clue but they'll be one of the big bads next season

They are probably the goons of the Industry dude

They are working for somebody bigger.

They want to take over the town

I don't know

i'm worried about Nathan

idk they are the bad daddys of the season

they can only be there to cover up a crime, or some valuable find

No clue

They’re wanting to uproot Hope Valley for better business by destroying the town.

Keeping identity of mastermind safe from townspeople.

Maybe looking for Ned, who alternatively is a serial killer and now on the run. Possibly for the murder of Abigail's mother?

I’m so confused lol

Creating a monopoly & doing some villain nonsense (as it would seem the show is hinting).

Any other thoughts going into the finale?

There will be at least one surprise- not sure what

There are too many loose ends to tie up in one episode and I just want Elizabeth and Nathan together (and perhaps quickly married in this episode!)

I’m honestly really nervous, I’m rooting for Nathan but I have a feeling she’ll go for Lucas, I really don’t mind Lucas as a character but like what storylines can they do with them as a couple? The manuscript is finished, they’ve gone on every sort of date at this stage and she’s been in his office. What else can they do? With Nathan they can do the being scared because of his job again but making it different, there’s children involved now, it’s not just Elizabeth. Jack won’t understand but Allie will 100% feel worried for him. Also Allie having a mother figure, especially at this stage in her life, how could you not want it! The blended family as the main family would be so nice for this show, I know it’s been done before but they will be fairly front and centre in the show. Sorry for the rant, I love your blog so much! I don’t have tumblr so I can’t leave comments or like your gifs but I thoroughly enjoy all your theories and opinions!!

Just ready for this stupid love triangle to be over!

I’d love to actually see Henry meet up with Abigail, but doubt it. I hope they have Clara do something heroic for Jesse, but also doubt it. Henry will definitely be putting Hickam in charge at least temporarily. I think Ned will return but we won’t get a full explanation yet. And the dramatic ending won’t be the triangle choice, it’ll be Elizabeth losing the school.

Allie’s adoption finalized and reaction to Elizabeth choosing Nathan is something we should see.

Glad the triangle will be DONE!!

I hope that Elizabeth follows her heart and not pick someone who is a safe option.

I wish Faith were leaving instead of Carson. Also, I think there will be lots of set up for problems with the school board and Elizabeth. Also, I want more little Jack scenes but i don't think we'll get much since child acting laws and covid combined make that difficult

Excited for Elizabeth to move on from her past and enter a new adventure with either of the two men and really just everything else (Rosie and Lee, Fiona, Henry.)

I hope Faith doesn’t end up with whoever doesn’t get chosen by Elizabeth.

hopefully the finale will clear up the drawn out love triangle

The triangle was waaaaay drawn out. Be done and choose.

Nathan and Faith......would be great......

No matter who Elizabeth chooses I'm SOOOO READY to get this over with!

Kindness matters - no matter who she chooses. Isn't that why most of us watch the show

I am so over the love triangle and just want to know who Elizabeth picks.

Worried about the fandom more than anything

Elizabeth please pick Nathan

It's just a TV show and no matter what , it's there for our entertainment. I do think they're setting things up for the return of Abigail in some way.

The must be a Season 9!!!

I hope Fiona does not get involved with Mike.

Hopefully things get back to normal for Elizabeth and Rosemary

Interested to see the other storylines. I want Elizabeth to choose Nathan but I think JT will throw us off. From the promo pic, it looks like they will try to put Faith with Nathan.

- I just want Elizabeth to chose so that this storyline can come to an end and we can finally get to see her marriage and functioning has a wife. - Wonder what will become of Lucas once her choice is made. - I would like Lucas to have a proper storyline that doesn't involve Elizabeth or the love triangle. - I would love to see Rosemary and Lee finally become parents however that may happen. I feel like the writer just left them in limbo about it and keep teasing but never delivering on anything.

Hopefully will end with Nathan but the very last minute. I would prefer more romance before the finale

Elizabeth will have to decide on what’s important with school.

Jack might make an appearance in a dream scene?

So excited! I hope I don't wake up my kids while watching.

I hope they don’t pick Lucas

CLARA DISCOVERS SHE IS PREGNANT

Just excited for this to be over. I know we needed it and I think overall it was handled decent enough, but I'm glad to finally move on.

Why is everyone so scared?

The whole season has been about getting over your fear. Elizabeth doesn’t have to deal with her emotions or real life with Lucas because school is out for the summer and she is working on her book. She needs to make up with Rosemary and get over the loss of Jack and fear to be with Nathan.

this season has been totally not what I expected...I thought the hug at end of season 7 was definitive and we'd get at least some Nathan courtship, not a complete U-turn to Lucas (with hopefully a turn to Nathan at the very end). I now think Season 9 will be what I expected season 8 to be, and I am very much looking forward to that.

Something sudden will allow Elizabeth to bring her feelings to light for everyone...Nathan. I think she will have decided by the time she takes of the rings, but will not have the opportunity to share with the man until later. Until she faces the prospect of him being in danger again? Full circle from the end of S7.

I need Elizabeth to really apologize to Rosemary. Rosemary has always been there for Elizabeth.

I’m so afraid :(

Hated the triangle

I am so ready to finally move on from this triangle!

They put waaaay too many storyline in the last 2 episodes, they will never manage to conclude them all and we'll have another weird random cliffhanger which will not tie in with the Christmas episode (If we're getting one ?)

I hope the guy who loses, has a good life in later seasons

The annoying love triangle will finally end. Elizabeth/Nathan are endgame, unless Jack suddenly comes back from the dead. But, I doubt it. I hope Lee/Rosemary are pregnant, or decide to adopt children. I just want Lee/Rosemary to have children. Can't wait to see how this season ends. Hopefully, it won't be a cliffhanger.

Nervous as hell

Elizabeth and Nathan get married

i kinda hope someone dies tbh it would make everything more interesting

Elizabeth was so tiresome this season, they could have told her story of overcoming grief in a much more relatable way. Why did they not just have her talking to Rosemary about how sad or exhausted or numb or angry she feels all the time? You know, something a widow would actually go through. At the very least she could have been stoic, instead she was just kinda bitchy.

Faith and Nathan will have some sparks; Elizabeth will choose Lucas and they will kiss twice one being at bridge one being at her home inside with baby jack present.Carson will leave; Jessie will be found; Ned will come back safely.

Lucas endgame, Nathan and faith have sparks, Rosemary paper, Jessie and Clara make up.

I think Henry will take his own advice and leave to find Abigail to see if there is still any hope for them. Though I like his character, I want him to finally be happy, and if that means staying with Abigail, then that’s what it means. I don’t think TPTB will bring back Lori soooo.... that means Henry would be the one possibly leaving. I also think some scare will happen with Nathan between him and the Pinkertons. Then it may come full circle at the end where Elizabeth runs to him like she did last season, but instead of hugging him, she’ll kiss him instead.

Hallmark execs dictated ending and will cut salaries to bring back Abigail, hence Paul leaving.

My condolences to whichever guy gets to look forward to being bored by Elizabeth for the rest of his life. Are we sure Jack's death wasn't a suicide?

Ready to see how it ends and already looking forward to next season!

I will be really disappointed if she chooses Lucas but I’m afraid that’s where it’s headed. Either way I don’t understand how they’ll end in “the healthy place” they’ve said it will be with so much left for one episode.

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Liza that 3rd fragman 👀 "if I was born a 100 times I'd fall in love with you everytime" Eda saying this is their last obstacle and nothing can separate them, serkan's "I'll be right back, close your eyes I'm here" If this isn't all a red flag for shits about to hit the fan then I don't know what is LOL (but also how cute to Edser look and them telling each other they love each other very much 😭😭😭)

That fragman is both the SWEETEST and the MOST OMINOUS thing I’ve ever seen. ALL AT ONCE.

Friends... we’re gonna go through some things. That being said, everything is going to be great. These writers have been solid so far, and I have faith they have come up with something really interesting to increase the longevity of this show. And I don’t know about you, but I’m prepared to go through some things if it means keeping Eda and Serkan for longer. (I heart them)

This show is about Eda and Serkan and their love story, at it’s core it’s a comedy, it will all lead to happy things, but... yeah, buckle up!

I have a lot of asks both about the fragman and last ep, so I’m going to answer a bunch under the cut.

Anonymous said: The fandom theories about episode 28 have gotten so wild that I literally think the most shocking thing would be if they actually got married and were not separated (emotionally or physically). What if the earlier painful episodes were to make us believe that things couldn't possibly go right in 28 and it's a reverse psychology trick?

You could be right! I like your thinking. I checked on twitter and I had to back away slowly. The juvenile temper tantrums were too much for me today.

Look, I think it’s clear something big is coming. It has to, there has to be something that shakes up the show. Some of the theories are more upsetting and catastrophic than others, but the writers won’t do anything that dings either character or their love for one another. Whatever happens will showcase the connection between these two and the chemistry between the actors, that’s the point of everything, and anything that does those things is gonna be a-okay with me.

@jan31 Hi Liza. Do you think we are going to see the wedding in 28 or they will leave it on a cliffhanger for next week. Lots of theories going round mainly cos of Neslihan saying new dimensions coming in episode 29, which could just mean married life etc. I have seen suggestions of memory loss, it's all a dream since episode one. I would personally love Eda to wake up like in episode one but for it to be a total turn around and she is the boss and Serkan the employee. Eda being robot yildiz appeals to me!!! I know it will never happen but leave me here with my dreams!!

I started the day at 90% sure they’ll be married in 28/29, but now I’m down to like 30% that they’ll get married in these episodes. I really, really want them to get married before whatever happens happens, because every scenario I can think of for this reset or starting again, seems like it would be better if they were married.

However, the shooting spoilers from today, make me question that. Namely the videos where Hande appears to still be wearing the ring on her right hand. We shall see, that could be for many reasons.

Honestly, though, I wouldn’t hate a memory loss storyline. Seeing one of them (and Serkan’s line in the trailer makes it seem like it might be him) lose their memory and have to fall in love all over again? There are worse fates for a shipper than getting to experience that all again but in a different way.

Anonymous said: Your response to the fandom drama anon was so good, it's exactly how I feel. While I don't know what the old posts that were like are (that's shady as fuck) I did see all the other drama go down and wow. The actresses def need to stay in their lane and some of the fans, hoooo boy, it's obvious they're young based off their reactions alone. Had to unfollow some people once I realized what they were like. Also some of the IRL shipping reminded me of col*fer stuff, reading into everything and blowing it out of proportion (which then gets picked up by paps....). But you're right in that at least the show related drama is tame compared to OUAT. But still, people being too careless even while they know the paps see everything and harass Kerem and hande (omg did you see the video of hande the other day stopped in the van and she looked so overwhelmed 😔)

You’re referencing this post here about yesterday’s drama.

Today Neslihan made it worse by addressing everything and claiming she didn’t like all those Hande-bashing posts because... wait for it... she was HACKED. Oy. Hackers got in and went back two years to like gross posts about Hande? Sure, Jan. While I don’t believe that for a second, I guess that at least gives her cover with Hande so they can all pretend it’s true and move on so it’s not awkward on set. But, yikes, she needs to consult a publicist, she took a narrative that was circulating in certain circles in fandom and made sure all her followers were aware. Not very savvy.

As for the paps coming after Hande, yes I did see her in the car, she did look overwhelmed. Back off vultures!!! That’s why I think Kerem sometimes throws himself to the wolves so that doesn’t happen. She always handles them like a pro, but you can tell she’d rather be anywhere else on earth than talking to them.

The pap stuff is worse than I’ve seen before, they’re like vultures circling for any conjecture (sometimes made up out of thin air) they can turn into a question and blame fans. OUAT actors dealt with nothing like this. Also I can’t believe they never ask about the show. Like after last week? They could legit ask about the sex scene which probably would have given them some angle on the actors that they wanted, (especially since it was too hot for Turkish TV) but they let that pass them by, and instead asked the same questions about being together that they never answer. Dumbasses. They are not only awful people, they are awful at their jobs.

In Van, the paps pay off crew members for info, they always know more than fans. Also I don’t remember stars of my shows getting this level of tabloid attention before. Except for on Riverdale, Lili and Cole generated that level of interest, and while I didn’t pay terribly close attention to them, I feel like they rarely talked to the paps, were just photographed. Also I don’t suspected the CW of calling the paps on them, but I suspect either the network or production company of sometimes calling them on Hande and Kerem.

Anonymous said: Do you think it’s weird that they didn’t touch the kidnapping at all in either trailer? They might not have filmed it in time for the 1st one but certainly the 2nd. And I’m definitely not complaining about the ones we got because its like a fairytale but the kidnapping was the cliffhanger...? 🧐 I think they should’ve just left the princes storyline at “he went back to his country” but then they didn’t so......

If they’d left his story at just going back to his country, then the Prince really wouldn’t have served his purpose. He was brought on to cause some sort of trouble, so they probably need him to cause the trouble before he goes, lets hope it ends with this kidnapping!

And to answer your question, yes, I do think it’s weird that neither trailer touched on it. On any other show I’d think it was a huge red flag, but on this show maybe not as much because a) there’s obviously a lot of romance in this episode, it’s not crazy that they are focusing on that to draw people in with the promos b) this show likes to do cliffhangers that end up being no big deal, that happens a lot.

Who knows it could turn out to be a big deal that shapes the rest of the episode in some unexpected way (Eda’s captured the whole episode and she’s dreaming about wedding prep, or... who knows) but I think it’s more likely that they resolve in the first 5-10 minutes and then move on. Since we know from the summary (not that I trust those) that Serkan goes on the bachelor weekend, it feels like the Prince is taken care of prior to that. I don’t think he’d leave her alone for a second if there was a chance the Prince was still a threat. Perhaps Babaanne is pissed he tried to kidnap Eda and tells them she’ll handle it herself???

Anonymous said: Semiha not being in the promo is highkey suspicious. The actress is promoting the episode lol. She's about to Evil Queen this wedding ceremony but you know what, I'm fine with whatever she has planned if they end up married at the end of the day. What's funny is that since a lot of fans these days will assume that there will be shocking negative plot twists, not actually having one here would be a plot twist so I hope the writers keep them together for whatever's next haha

You’re not wrong, at this point, having this wedding take place would be a shocking twist for all of us! As for Semiha... hmmm... it will be interesting to see what her reaction is to Eda being kidnapped by her pick of suitor. Serkan Bolat might be the son of the man indirectly responsible for her parents death, but he would never hurt her. Take note, Grandbag!

Anonymous said: Do you mind sharing your speculative scenarios?

After the trailer today, I don’t know if I can even remember some of them.

Memory loss

Grandma forces Serkan to choose between Eda and his company/wealth, he chooses Eda and they start over from scratch with nothing

Time jump

AU starting over, showing a different path they might have taken together

Dream

These actors playing different characters in a new story

I don’t think the last three are likely, but they did spring to mind after some of Neslihan’s teases.

Anonymous said: So this show doesn't get like fantastic ratings (it actually seems to be on the lower end compared to all other dizis airing) but the social media engagement is off the charts. Why is that?!? Is the show just extraordinarily popular internationally? or that this is a "shipping" show? I'm floored by the numbers - its like no other show/fandom is even trying

The ratings were terrific during the summer. But to your point, it has a huge fandom both in Turkey and internationally, but it’s worth noting that most of those charts you see where it beats every other show in every imaginable social metric is just for Turkey.

It’s one of those lightning in a bottle situations where you get the right property and the right actors together at the right time and magic happens. And, for sure, the number one reason is the shipping. Shipping drives fandom engagement, and a fantastic ship with a juicy, fun, tropey love story is what this show offers. It also offers up two extremely attractive, talented, likeable leads with off-the-charts chemistry (plus the added speculation about an off-camera relationship that has intrigued more than a few fans, tabloids and gossip sites and fueled interest) who have done a good job of building the fanbase through their social media engagement. Plus the timing is part of it as well. I don’t know about you, but this show hit the spot during this pandemic and the horror of 2020. We all needed this escape.

Anonymous said:Do you think something happened in the writers room after the backlash of 25 and fan disappointment after Ayse's announcement? I feel like a switch flipped and now we're in fanficland with how much good content we've gotten in these last two episodes. Like I thought maybe they should wrap up the series soon before the characters got completely off the tracks but they may be finding their groove now and I'm interested to see what their next twist is after they can write out Balca/Seymen.

I don’t know about a switch flip, this show has been fanfic land since the first episode! The tropes! That is how I described it to multiple people when I first started watching: an AU fanfic come to life.

As for the writing changes, no, I don’t think backlash after 25 affected 26 or 27, because 26 was already 90% shot, and 27 already written. However, I assume they themselves could tell that 25 got just too dark and had strayed pretty far from the DNA of the series. While I didn’t think it was bad, it was not fun to watch and this show ought to be fun to watch.

Let’s hope, however, that the backlash affects future episodes in that they know what works... and what doesn’t. The last two episodes definitely felt reminiscent of the first batch of episodes. Light, funny, romantic. If they can keep that tone... I’ll be thrilled.

Anonymous said: i didn't realize how much i missed "together" edser until watching 27.. it's been so long since they were "officially" together and we also had such few episodes of it.. ppl have been comparing it to 12 and while in some ways i agree, edser are always so different here than they were there. 12 was them navigating their new relationship.. they were more shy and finding their footing.. here they are very much established, as they should be after knowing their love for so long in comparison to 12!

Yes, it was lovely. You know I’ve preached a lot about how even though Eda and Serkan were broken up, they’ve still been together all this time. And it’s true, but there is something about them truly being together that is magical. We never got enough of that the first time around (a writing mistake in my opinion) and they’re so good together it’s lovely to watch.

Anonymous said: Serkan not asking for help from Balca when asking his team for help with the marriage gifts preparations and refusing her offer of help when she asked made me so happy. Good job Serkan! He's learning! She's not trustworthy!

Yes, that was a good moment. And he was eyeing her very warily when she offered. The thing I don’t understand is how has no one caught on that she’s working with Babaanne? That entire office is filled with nosy people, has no one remarked on the number of times Balca has gone up to the office or they’ve disappeared for lunch at the same time? Come on Leyla! Come on Melo! Notice these things!

Anonymous said: Fingers crossed that we finally make progress towards getting rid of Seiman & Balca now that all the girls were drugged and Eda was put in the car in the last episode. Unless Seiman has a change of heart and takes Eda back inside before anyone wakes & the guys get there then the show has to address it. Although I do not think Balca is going to back down unless Serkan straight up tells her he has zero interest in her and never will. Totally fine if that happens in the next episode.

Will Balca backdown even if she’s humiliated like that? She’s so delusional I’m not sure. What I am sure is that she’s dangerous. This came in before we saw the other two fragmans that have no mention of the kidnapping. Hard to picture how that is so easily resolved. Unless she frees herself (which seems unlikely in her groggy state) or maybe Melo’s future boyfriend is able to stop it before they get far? Or I don’t know. I just know that I want to see Serkan lose his mind and all the other characters see Serkan lose his mind and then I want it to be over. LOL.

Anonymous said: As much as I am loving everything Edser, I cannot wait for Seiman, Balca and Grandma to be gone. And I am even more annoyed to think that the show might try to redeem all 3 characters. All 3 of them are truly awful people and no need to waste air time trying to make the audience think any different. Just my opinion...🤷🏻‍♀️. Show please finally expose those 3 for the psychos they are and get rid of them.

Bye bitches! I don’t think there’s any redemption for Balca and Seiman. They both have poisoned/dosed people, hard to come back from that. And there is no need to redeem them because neither is compelling enough to be a long-term character. But maybe Granny, we probably will see a redemption arc for her.

Anonymous said: i know you were worried a few weeks ago that with ayse leaving as writer, we probably wouldn't have the same sort of comedy as previous episodes... but istg the whole kiz isteme scene, especially with chef alex, had me almost crying with laughter. especially when serkan off the cuff just goes "well if that's an option..." to everyone misunderstanding alex "wanting" ayfer for 2 nights and then eda ready to beat him with the flowers he bought her... comedic gold lmao.

SO GOOD! I was thrilled to see that sort of comedy, the sort of comedy we’d come to expect, from these writers. I think it bodes very well indeed!

That scene was amazing. I know Neslihan said that much of it was improvised. Probably that line from Serkan (since Serkan is SO out-of-his-mind in love I’m not sure he could even joke about having Eda only two nights a week! LOL) was improv from Kerem, and Aydan asking about the other nights, and Seyfi bringing up the weekend. And Eda’s very Hande-esque “Ser-KAN.”

I just love rewatching that scene and checking out everyone who is breaking character and just losing it. Cagri most of all. He’s blurred aback there but you can see Ferit spends the whole time laughing or trying to stifle a laugh. Reminds me of Cagri in the scene in 18 when they’re watching the security footage he was losing it in that scene as well.

Anonymous said: i'm scared - I think they are really about to give us all of these happy EdSer scenes only to have something happen RIGHT before the wedding ceremony due to Babaanne. Based on the last episode, I don't think there's any chance of a breakup (knock on wood) but what if Serkan gets arrested, goes to jail for 2 years, and we get a time jump?

This was sent before the last two teasers, so yes I think something is gonna happen. We shall see! I don’t really think Serkan going to jail for 2 years is in the cards, at least I hope not! Besides if Babaanne did that she would have no hopes of ever reconciling with Eda, so that seems unlikely she’d follow through and leave him there for so long a time.

Anonymous said: With the last week's sex scene, they did a lot of fade outs but the scene was basically still there so it wasn't much wasted effort for the actors. But for what they're teasing in episode 28 - idk how they can get away with showing them in the shower at all if Serkan lifting Eda with her clothes on had required blurring? Is Eda dropping her robe even pushing it? It's intriguing indeed.

Great questions. We’re 36 hours from finding out (well I'm longer than that because I wait for the English subs, hee hee) All I know is I want to see these scenes.. one way or another!

#sen cal kapimi #edser #Sen Çal Kapımı #sck spoilers #sck specualtion #sckask #sck episode discussion #asklizac #Anonymous

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So if bellarke were going to (I’m assuming) have sex in 6x11 does that mean that maybe him and Echo had an almost silent agreement that their relationship was over since she said to save Clarke and he left everyone on doing so? I mean it kinda felt that way, but then they obviously changed their minds with bellarke so they continued it, but what do you think? (Tbh even if it wasn’t I wouldn’t really care since those two have been holding for 6 years and he could break up when he got back). Also did that scene ever happen or was it just in a script? (Even thinking it actually happened would send me into cardiac arrest)

I’ve had this one in my ask box since the news about 6x11 came out, those are some great questions anon. I don’t think the bellarke tent scenes were ever filmed, and it’s unclear if they were in an OG script or not?

To answer your question: the way I interpreted it? I would be of the opinion that no: the “Save Clarke” scene by no means signaled an end for bcho and Bellamy was very much still attached in 6x11. This isn’t the way I personally would’ve chosen to go ahead with Bellarke, but assuming that was the plan and the show had added that in: I see two ways the writers could resolve that.

(1) They wouldn’t. At least not in Season 6. Bellarke would get together in 6x11 and the story would otherwise carry on much the same: everyone too busy to stop and talk about what went on. It would’ve set up a love triangle/cliffhanger that would have carried on into Season 7.

And what a final season that would have made for. Can you imagine?? Clarke and Bellamy sleep together only to be separated, like, the next day when he, Echo, Gabriel and Hope are trapped on Skyring for SIX YEARS. That would have made for some awkward conversations around the campfire.😬 In all fairness, it would have given bcho appropriate time to be resolved before bellarke progressed any further. And it would've provided an opportunity to mirror Clarke's 6 years away from Bellamy, making radio calls & realizing her feelings about him when he was worlds away.

If 6x11 had meant canon bellarke, I would've preferred the story actually go this way. I’m a huge Echo fan and really wanted to see her find another partner: hopefully while maintaining some semblance of family with Bellamy.

But then of course (2) They could have resolved the love triangle immediately, by killing off Echo with Ryker in 6x11. I always had a suspicion that this episode was written that way, with the flashbacks to Echo/Ash as a child, and the writers giving her nightblood with no further application for it in her story. And it would be true to the show’s history of simply killing off bellarke’s love interests... but I hate everything about this option. I feel it would’ve been a disservice to both ships. And also a very likely scenario if they had gone ahead with the tent scenes.

I guess we’ll never know now, but it’s interesting to think about. I’m itching to write a S7 au with scenario #1 now, lol. And after your ask anon, I did actually put together a short bellarke fanfic where they do get together in 6x11, for Bellarke Week. So thank you again your ask... but also for the inspiration! ✨✍️

#thanks for asking!#6x11 #*that tent scene*#bellarke #bellarke spec #anti-becho #just in case #really though I will say this story would've had ALL THE ANGST #ask away!#tumblrkt

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Very late to this discourse but i only recently saw that post where someone said they want crosby killed off and called him useless (complete bs with no merit) and in it they were so sure of it and were very sure that clinton would come back. But since clint isn't coming back thats even more proof that they're probably wrong about kenny

Hi, thanks for saying this. Glad to know there’s more people who like Crosby enough to want him to stay. :)

Honestly, I only replied to that person, back then, because I was wondering about the probable scenarios, and they said, “they have reasons” to think Crosby would be killed off. I was curious what were those reasons, and whether it was something to worry about. As it turned out – it wasn’t.

Their arguments boiled down to their own personal dislike of the character and some speculation about behind-the-scenes stuff that we really know nothing about, so I’m not going to discuss that.

What I really care about is storytelling and – since I’m prompted (thank you Anon, I love getting prompted like this ;) ) – I’ll now allow myself to spin some theories on how this cliffhanger might be resolved.

There’s five people in the scene, three guns and we hear three gunshots.

I’ll say right off the bat, that I’m sure Tali won’t get shot, because we’d already had a scenario where Jess was worried about her safety (in the crossover episode with FBI) and traumatizing the kid any further would just be cruel. Yes, in a way this is something I just don’t want to happen, but also, I don’t think it would make for an interesting story (if it was ChiPD they would recycle an old story, but I think FBI MW has better writers).

I’m also pretty sure Hugh will not get shot, at least not fatally, because he could make for a good fugitive in the opening episode of the new season – and make the episode a direct result of what happened in the cliffhanger.

I don’t see Jess getting shot either, because who would lead the chase, right? I dunno. Jess getting shot? *error* Does not compute *error*.

That leaves Crosby and Sarah. And it makes sense, actually, that Crosby would get shot, but not killed. I mean, what with his fear of dying and past trauma resulting from expecting to die? It would make for some interesting storylines in the future, I think. And, of course, a motivation for the team to chase Hugh.

Because Sarah will obviously be a motivation for Jess. This has been foreshadowed rather clearly, although I’m not sure how I feel about Jess, once again, being sad that the woman he loves got hurt. It’s a little redundant. I mean I’m pretty sure she will not die, but still, Jess will mope again and perhaps feel that everyone he loves gets hurt, but I can see them recycling this old trope, given how everything in the show is so Jess-centric.

I also saw some theories that Sarah shoots Hugh, and that could also make for an interesting scenario. Of course then she wouldn’t get hurt herself, because that would make the storyline too muddled. It would be interesting, though, to see her dealing with the aftermath of shooting someone, even in self defense. On the other hand, Sarah is not one of the main characters on the show. Frankly speaking, I don’t really like her taking the spotlight away from the Team, but that is my personal preference.

Mostly, I would like for something to happen to forward the team building. Perhaps Crosby getting shot (not killed) could be that thing?

I just had a thought that if Jess got shot, that might put Barnes in the leadership position and that would just be… OhMyGod… AMAZING! But would they go there? Oh, I don't kno. But I would love that. I love Barnes! And it would do all kind of interesting things to the team dynamics, which… Oh, I don’t even know. That would be so weird though…

Ehh, I’ll better just end this meta here, because I’m coming up with some weird theories, lol.

Thanks again for the ask. :)

#fbi most wanted #sheryll barnes #jess lacroix #kenny crosby #tali skye lacroix #most wanted speculation #season three speculation

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Hello naughty children, it’s time for Nissa’s Opinions

Coming in RIGHT under the wire for October book club, but still. I have read the reboggles I could find on T’s tag (bc tumblr search is what it is), and now it’s my turn.

General Questions:

1 - What did you like best / least?

I liked the worldbuilding a lot - I want to know more about the Reaches and the Travelers and why everything is made of wood in Kolonya?? Least... we will get to lol

2 - Would you read more by this author?

mmmmmmmmmmaybe. Like I want to know wtf happened, but I’m also still pretty mad about the ending. We shall see.

3 (a) - If this story followed a different character’s POV, who would you pick and why?

tbh the last thing this book needs is more POVs

3 (b) - Did you like how the three different sister’s POV was used to push the narrative forward? Did it make your reading experience more or less enjoyable?

idk, it was a little slow for my tastes. I did like that the girls all had different perspectives, but I wish they’d had more different personalities. Like Ren and Akeylah are the same person, just brought up with different abuse. And if Zofi has a personality beyond anger, she’s probably the same, too.

4 - What scene stuck with you the most?

I really liked the first time Ren and Zofi confronted Akeylah in the library - it was kinda “did we just become best friends?! YUP!” but also FINALLY gave them a team vibe and distinct specialties.

5 - What kind of lingering questions were you left with (besides the obvious cliffhanger WHY DID YOU DO THAT TO ME ELLEN)

literally what was the point of this being its own book if the single main conflict wasn’t actually resolved???

6 (a) - Could you relate to the characters & their story arcs?

Meh. I mean, a little bit? But overall I didn’t find them terribly relatable.

6 (b) - How do you feel about each character’s ending?

WHAT. ENDING.

7 - Were there times you disagreed with a character’s actions / would have done something different in their shoes?

YES MANY.

8 - Were you rooting for any character or pairing in particular?

I wanted to like Akeylah best bc she seems really sincere and genuine, BUT then suddenly all of her “I’m a secret genius” calculating stuff comes up and it’s a little tough to reconcile those things. I liked each of the girls okay, but I didn’t feel like there was a clear answer to who should rule (aside from Ren’s musing about all 3 of them, maybe).

9 - Do you picture any specific fancasts when reading the book?

The only one I have any clear idea what she looks like is Akeylah, but I can’t think of anyone who looks like that, you know? I think of Zofi as looking like an angry Ice Climber from Smash Bros. And like...idk maybe Letitia Wright for Ren? Maybe Lupita Nyong’o or Gugu Raw for Rozalind, unless she’s supposed to be the girls’ age, then somebody younger, I guess? Idk.

Story Specific Questions:

11 - Did you enjoy how each girl’s secret was teased out? Do you like when authors slow-roll this kind of information?

I do like a slow rollout (”who taught him ‘rollout’?!”), I think there’s a lot to be said for setting readers loose in medias res, BUT I also think it wasn’t handled amazingly here - idk maybe it’s just me, but I felt like it was sort of stage-whispering. Like “oh no I hope no one guesses my TERRIBLE SECRET!!! I would be in SO MUCH trouble!!” It just felt very obvious to me, although the secrets themselves weren’t obvious (the first time we learned about them).

12 - Do you think each character was fleshed out sufficiently, such that you had a sense of the different personality for each sister?

Not really? Kind of. An attempt was made with the girls, but basically no one else got any dimension whatsoever.

13 - Do you have guesses on who the blackmailer is?

Not really, bc this book broke every rule of how to write an engaging mystery. Like literally the only people who could POSSIBLY be it from the information we have are Rozalind, Vidal, and Andros, none of which really make sense given everything else, but like???? I guess Rozalind is my best guess bc she was acting kinda sus re: the acolyte etc. But I think that would be a bad choice unless a lot of other things change between now and that reveal.

14 - Was Yasmin a believable antagonist to you?

Like. I thought she was SCREAMINGLY obviously a red herring the entire book. She was brusque with the girls, and there was some weirdness in the first scene where the girls meet the king where I thought maybe she was possessing him, but that’s obviously just the weird mind link thing they did, and that’s it. Like being a bitch isn’t illegal.

15 - Do you think the daughters’ secrets were defensible actions?

Kinda? Like, definitely understandable, but like, is murder ever defensible? Ren had no reason to suspect her information would be used the way it was (whether or not Danton knew is something I’m not convinced on either way), Akeylah had no reason to believe she wasn’t cursing the man she fully expected to kill her (although MAYBE she should have paid closer attention during the cursing itself?? Like, the distance seems like it should have played a role in how hard it was to find “her father”), and Zofi perhaps overreacted, but used what seemed like appropriate force at the time in defense of another’s life (or rather she couldn’t/didn’t want to think of a way to simply restrain or incapacitate Nicolen, so stabby stabby). Was it stupid? Yes, for all of them. But they’re children (are they 18? I forget how old they’re supposed to be. Also, why are they the same age, if they are? was that just Andros’s Good Fuckin Year?)

16 - How do you feel about this unique system of magic?

WEIRD. I NEED MORE INFORMATION. WHY does the blood have to be drawn? Where does it go? What is the scarring situation with these people? What about the SHARDS OF GLASS permanently embedded in Zofi’s legs? Speaking of which, how the FUCK are Travelers out here hand-blowing glass in a mobile way??? That’s not a pick-up-and-carry craft! What’s the cooldown period for tithing? Why is it CALLED tithing? Who are you tithing TO? What negative effects are there for tithing for too long? Zofi mentions that they exist, but this is never explained. I feel like after all her reading, Akeylah should be able to answer these questions for me. BUT SHE DIDN’T.

17 - Was the theme of racism sufficiently handled?

Handled..??? If by that you mean vaguely suggested as existing and occasionally seems to have affected some characters’ lives, sure. Like, the closest we got was “Vidal’s not as racist as some other people yay!”

18 - Do you have any theories about the poem found in the library?

tbh I don’t even remember a poem in the library, just the notes about the weird echo situation.

19 - How did you feel about the cliffhanger ending?

BAD. VERY BAD. It was like the ending of Cars in that it retroactively ruined a lot of the book for me. NOTHING was accomplished in this ENTIRE book WHY

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