#aro!dean/ace!sam

[fandom-hoarder]

do you really think dean is aro? no judgement, it's a cool thought, i just can't reconcile it with all his secret desires for romantic picnics and an apple pie life

My answer is a little complicated, anon.

Essentially, yes, I headcanon Dean as aro/arospec. But this is a headcanon, not what I think the show intended as canon; much as I'm sure it wasn't their intention to canonize Sam and Dean as a queerplatonic life partnership, nevertheless they did, for those of us who know and appreciate what that is.

I've seen arguments for him being frayromantic (when someone only experiences romantic attraction towards those that they are not deeply connected with, and lose that attraction as they get to know the individuals), and that lends itself well to the way Dean has been shown to be a very romantic lover, I suppose.

But I tend to think of him more as greyromantic (feeling romantic attraction rarely/infrequently, and only under certain circumstances). I think this can account for Cassie and Lisa, and lends itself well to my SamDean headcanons.

Now, as for "all his secret desires for romantic picnics and an apple pie life," I personally think this perspective only works if you haven't finished the series. Particularly if you haven't gone past season 5 or 6.

Now, in s2, we get a glimpse of this idea of Dean's secret "apple pie" desires in What Is and What Should Never Be. But that is less about Dean's romantic desires than it is a manifestation of his boyhood desire for his family to not be affected by the supernatural. For he and Sam to have grown up in a normal, stable family (with normal chores like mowing the lawn for your mom, instead of cleaning the guns for your dad), and for Dean not to be the reason his dad is dead. And once again, Sam is the one with more of an apple pie life, whilst Dean has a reputation for drinking and doesn't have a relationship with Sam.

In s3, we get Dean's dream about Lisa and the picnic. This dream often leads to the interpretation that Dean loved Lisa the whole time, and sometimes causes upset at the apparent slighting of Cassie as Dean's first/true love, but I think it's a mistake to take this dream at face value -- dreams rarely are just what they show, even if spn tends to be heavy handed in their storytelling.

-- again, I think it's less about Dean's romantic desires, and more about the idyllic life he's never been able to have -- and won't get a chance to because of his Hell deal. Lisa is the one in the dream because of that split second where Dean thought Ben could be his son-- in the middle of this middle class neighborhood with a bouncy house and backyard bbq-- and he imagined an entirely different possible life for himself if he wasn't a hunter headed to Hell. Dean is easily baby-trapped, lbr.

Being aromantic doesn't necessarily preclude fantasizing about being able to be romantic, either. Especially if a person is still on their journey of self discovery. Sexual and Romantic orientation are a spectrum, too, and sometimes that spectrum is traveled throughout one's life. And sometimes we spend time fantasizing about the ability/ideal to do what is socially expected of us.

But the Dean of mid-to-late seasons doesn't really show a desire for an "apple pie life" beyond his belief that he wants Sam to have one. He doesn't talk about settling down himself, or show a desire to build lasting romantic relationships with anyone other than Sam, who he married in a handfasting in Sacrifice.

And when Sam asks Dean in Baby if he never thinks about settling down-- well, actually, here's how that post-Piper scene goes:

SAM: Dean, I can explain what was going on -- DEAN: No, no, no. No. SAM: Don't "Night Moves" me. DEAN: Shh. Just let it wash over you. SAM: Let . . . DEAN: Just take it in. Bob Seger’s “Night Moves” plays on the radio.

[The Night Moves interlude, my beloved...but cut for length.]

Let's take a moment here to appreciate Sam's apparent need to explain himself to Dean. 👀

SAM: I tried to give her my number. You know what she said? DEAN: "We got tonight. Who needs tomorrow"? SAM: Is everything a Bob Seger song to you? DEAN: Yes. Well . . . [ sighs ] SAM: It was nice knowing you, Piper. DEAN: Piper? That's awesome. Heather. One-night wonders, man. Shoot, we're lucky we still get that at all. SAM: Really? You don't . . . Ever want something more?

DEAN: I'm sorry, have you met us? We're batting a whopping zero in domestic life, man. Goose eggs. SAM: You don't ever think about something? Not marriage or whatever. But . . . Something? You know, with a hunter? Somebody who understands the life? DEAN: Have you not heard a single word Bob's been singing about?

And Dean leaves it at that, but it's pretty clear romance is not something he's really thinking about. He's seemingly fine getting even the small amount of "one night wonders" that 'they' do get. (Another moment here to appreciate that Dean's pronouns are we/us, in a SamAndDean kind of way. --and that this conversation takes place over the course of a very domestic montage.)

Now, granted, at this time they're dealing with the release of the Darkness and all that entails; and granted Dean has been dealing over 3 seasons with the perpetual idea that he should expend his life and soul for the sake of Sam getting that apple pie life; but Dean seems to have left those "domestic" thoughts behind even before he had Castiel wipe Lisa and Ben's minds in s6. Dean's primary domestic relationship is with his brother, and as long as Sam is there, that's alright with Dean.

And what does Amara give Dean as his reward for helping her with Chuck in s11? Mary. Ignoring the later reasoning/retcon that she did it to teach Dean some lesson, we can say that once again Dean's domestic desires are pinpointed as having a fulfilled family life, but not necessarily romantic fulfillment.

And later, when Dean's "greatest desire" comes up again in Lebanon, what does he get from the pearl? He gets his father and mother, alive again under the same roof as him and Sam (and if you want to give subtextual meaning to Doylist ~fanservice~ concerns, wished it so that John and Sam would get along better than they would've if that were the actual 2003!John).

All this, and the fact that he and Sam continued to live and hunt domestically after Chuck was gone, are why I like to headcanon Dean as aro.

[peanutbutterandbananasandwichs]

Interesting how people will say they believe a-spec people are queer until you headcanon a character commonly headcanoned as gay/bi as ace/aro.

[mygenderisthattrenchcoat]

I had this idea for a fic, but got stuck and it wasn't going nowhere so here's the basic idea:

Dean takes Cas out so he can get laid, because he's been interested in the concept of sex lately, but Cas isn't attracted to anyone and they come back home and spend the night watching tv instead.

The next morning Sam asks about the night out and Cas tells him he found some pretty intesrestimg people, but he "didn’t feel the urge to have sex with any of them".

"Wait, is this the reason why you gave up?" Dean's question was toned with amusement and followed by and eyeroll to Sam, 'can you believe him?'

Dean frowns when Cas answers with a nod.

"People don't actually do that, man."

"They... do."

"Hate to break that bubble, Sammy, but that’s something they made up to make porn more interesting."

"No, it isn't. Wait, don't you think people are attractive?"

"Where is this coming from? Of course I can appreciate when people are hot."

"So you want to have sex with them because of that."

Dean has to roll his eyes again, how could Sammy not get it?

"No? I have sex because it's fun and that's what you're supposed to do, but it's not like on tv, I won't be upset or frustrated if I don't get laid by someone with pretty eyes and nice smile or something. I thought you had known the basics already, college kid."

"But you check women out!"

"Because that's what men do!" He remembered Dad's implicit lessons (and others not so implicit) after Dean became, well, became Dean at the older Winchester's eyes.

"You have sex all the time!"

"Not in a long while, why would I when we're perfectly happy here? Why are we even having this conversation?"

"Because people do feel attracted to each other."

"Like what? They get an urge and have sex because they looked at each other?" Dean scoffs.

"Well, yes."

Idk what would happen here, Sam probably would try to explain what sexual attraction felt like and Dean would be like ??? No, never felt that.

Okay, it is a lot to take in, but Dean could accept that, especially when Cas said that some people were like Dean and there wasn’t anything wrong with it, not that the hunter was worried or anything. Well, at least he got why people liked sex, it wasn't like Sammy was saying they actually fall in love or actually believed in gender.

[schizosamwincester]

Happy wincest Wednesday! Do you prefer romance in your wincest or is it something else entirely? I’ve recently gotten really interested in aromantic Dean Winchester.

-@schizo-sam-winchester

Okay I assume you're sending the same question to everyone because if you don't already know that I am a big fan of aro Dean then I am not talking about it enough and I need to fix that.

I am aromantic and allosexual. I know what an aromantic allosexual looks like. An aroallo person looks like Dean Winchester. I mean not exclusively, obviously, some people who are alloaro actually do care about things that aren't sex (not me, but some) and some even have low libidos or don't like people or whatever and don't have sex at all, but like. I am alloaro and I know my people and my people is Dean Winchester.

Dean Winchester has no clue that romantic attraction is even real. Dean died thinking that romance is just when you have a friend who you also have sex with. And you know what's better than a friend? A brother. And you know who he also has sex with? His brother. So if you ask him, yeah, sure, he and Sam are dating or an item or whatever. They're a couple. They're romantic. Of course they are. They love each other, and they are together all the time, and they live together, and they have sex. Those are the requirements.

Sam, having been in actual romantic relationships, obviously knows better. He also knows Dean well enough to know that he does not do that and is simply incapable of thinking that way. In the event that he comes across aromanticism in his travels online and it isn't framed as just an offshoot of asexuality, he's going to immediately go "oh there's a word for that! Good. Good to know there are other people like Dean." He absolutely would not tell Dean about this, though. Dean barely admits to being bi. He's not going to want Sam to give him a whole other word.

(If the source in question did treat aromanticism as just being for asexuals, though? Well Sam knows damn well how his brother feels about sex, and how sexually attractive Dean finds him in particular. And queer labels and all that are decidedly not his area of interest, so if a thing says it's only for aces, he's not going to question that. The prospect of it applying to Dean just won't occur to him at all)

I do think Sam has romantic feelings for Dean, although I imagine they're a little different than what he'd feel for a partner who felt romantically back just because that lack of reciprocation does make the whole thing different. Still, I don't think they're unromantic per se? I think it's complicated. Dean is definitely aro, but I do think there are some elements of romance there. And I think Sam is down bad for Dean in every way, romantic and sexual.

But yeah, for me Dean being aro is a fundamental fact. I will occasionally bend that for my interpretations of Deanjohn, because there I can definitely see some elements of pining and that's fun, but I don't get that from wincest. Sam has always been there. He is part of Dean. How can Dean be romantically attracted to the other half of his own soul?

If I saw wincest as traditionally romantic, I would not give a shit about it. I wouldn't be here. I simply do not care about romance. There's a reason I don't ship destiel, and it's not because there's nothing there. It's objectively a very good set up for a ship. It's just that what's there is the potential for very good romance, and the second things get romantic my brain turns off.

Wincest is pure electric sexual attraction and tension, and sex? Yeah I understand sex. I like sex. My brain is about 90% sex at any given moment. I'm kind of impressed that I have so many ace friends, actually, given the amount I'm incapable of shutting up about sex.

... Like I said. I know Dean Winchester is aro because his view of sex and romance is pretty much identical to mine.

(To be fair, it is very helpful that I think all this because I am almost incapable of writing romance even if I do see things as romantic. It turns out that doesn't actually matter. If you write sexual feelings and just make the context romantic and don't say it's a purely sexual relationship, people will see the romance there anyway. You don't have to actually understand romantic feelings and how to write them. People will just project them in. Which definitely says some things about amatonormativity that aren't great, but hey, it's convenient for me.)

[rennerator]

LOVE LOVE LOVE AWWWWWWWWWW Look at ALL OF THEM!!!! S2 HAPPINESS!!!! This is SO SOOOO LOVELY, SOOO BEAUTIFUL!!!! I LOVE THIS SO SOO VERY MUCH!!!!! :D CUUUUTE, BEAUTIFUL, MARVELOUS!!!!! Thank YOU!!!! THANK YOU SO SOO MUCH for this!!! You are INCREDIBLE!!!! :) <3

destielpride day 28: family & friends

[deadmans-corpse]

Aro dean and ace Sam is so real to me

[archergramlin]

Supernatural pride headcanons:

Dean- bisexual and cis man. Only homophonic to himself because of John. Is in love with Cas. he/him

Cas- gay, technically non-binary but masc. Is in love with Dean. he/him

Sam- straight and cis man but very much a ally. Don’t even think any homophobic thoughts around him. he/him

Jack- somewhere on the aro ace spectrum. I don’t think he perceptually feels romantic or sexual attraction but he’s definitely curious about it. I can see them reading romance novels to get the idea. Nonbinary and doesn’t really care what pronouns people use for her. he/them/hers

Crowley- either gay or bi, probably cis male but also doesn’t really care what gender he is. he/him/theirs

Rowena- straight but has definitely had a three-sum with a woman, cis woman. An ally since before different sexualities were a thing. she/her

Lucifer- straight and cis man. Outwardly homophobic and transphobic because he likes to be a dick but inwardly doesn’t care. he/him

Gabe- pansexual and gender-fluid but mostly masc. he/they

[profoundbondfanfic]

Here's more of our favorite aro/ace/demi fics!

Part 2

Fucking Hollywood by JessJesstheBest [Teen, 1,8K, Aro!Dean]

“Okay…” he started, aware that the only way out of this conversation was through. “So I admit, I don’t know a whole lot about,” he gestured vaguely at Sam. “That. But me, personally, I have a hard time telling the difference between romantic and platonic love.” “So like aromanticism.” “No, what?” Dean glanced at Sam who was looking at him weirdly. “I don’t know. But one of the only ways I know how to confirm the difference is with sex.” Or the boys have a discussion about media theory and Dean learns a new word.

reckless, not reason by sharkfish [Teen, 6K, Ace!Dean]

“When I requested a — you know. ‘Companion.’ I was just being selfish,” Dean says. “So fucking selfish that I didn’t even think about what it would be like for you.” “Don’t worry,” Cas says, almost as if from outside himself. “It was either you or someone else. Perhaps someone worse.” “It’s a big deal to my dad for me to get mated. He’s always trying to match me with some asshole or another, and I — I can’t, Cas.” He drops his head into his hands, rubbing furiously at his eyes. “I’m fucked up, I guess, because I just — I can’t be a mate to someone, not for real. I can’t — consummate, or whatever.”

Enough by Bookkbaby [Teen, 1,3K, Ace!Cas]

“If I am… not enough,” Cas starts, voice hushed but quick. “Please, just… just tell me before you find someone else.”

Exposed to What You Hide by SailorChibi [Teen, 1,8K, Ace!Cas]

"We think Cas is a procubus," Sam blurted out. Then he winced and yelped when Charlie kicked him under the table. "Ow!" "Smooth, Sam," Charlie snapped. Dean looked back and forth between them, realizing that they were both 100% serious. "A procubus." "Basically it's the sexless version of an incubus or a succubus," Charlie explained before Sam could. "It's… it's a demon that kills people by sleeping with them." She was chewing on her thumbnail now, eyes big and apologetic. Sam had done one better pasting on a truly epic kicked puppy expression of apology. "You think Cas is killing people by cuddling with them," Dean said, just to be sure.

Obey His Word by K_K_TiBal [Teen, 33,8K, Demi!Cas]

When Castiel was ten years old, he was cursed to always be obedient. Now he’s a hunter—not the best one at his job, admittedly, since he’s always forced to comply with the monsters that beg for their life. Everything changes on one such hunt, when an angel named Dean saves his life, and tells Castiel that he’s searching for his missing brother, Sam. His naive callousness about humans and give-em-Hell attitude is off-putting, but Dean ends up being exactly what Castiel didn’t know he needed. As he grows closer to Dean, he tries to keep the secret of the curse close to his chest—but the past always has a way of exposing the truth. Curses are hard—but trust is harder.

everyone for someone by sharkfish [Teen, 1,4K, Ace!Cas]

Dean holds Cas, firm but gentle, until Cas pulls away. “How was that?” Dean asks quietly. “Very nice,” Cas says. “It’s been — a very long time, since someone hugged me like that without expectation.” “I hear that a lot,” Dean says, resting his hand on Cas’s knee. “It’s easy to forget how lonely we are.”

[wrenwinchester]

More thoughts about Millie being ace and aro.

She didn’t know what people were talking about when they talked about finding people attractive. She gets the aesthetically pleasing part. But she doesn’t get the actual attraction part.

She didn’t date in high school, in part because Dean was Dean, but also she just wasn’t really into it, or understand it.

Moving around all the time, Millie never had a chance to know someone well enough to even really want to date them, nor does she have time to put effort in to get to know someone.

She doesn’t realize that other people actually want to have sex, like that just doesn’t make sense.

She struggles with wanting someone she can be close with, someone to go on dates with or whatever, but she doesn’t like the idea of dating to find that person, she just wants them to already exist, and it doesn’t have to be in a romantic way, hell, she’s not even sure if she’d want it in a romantic way.

At the same time she wants to have her first kiss, and have different experiences to know what she actually likes, the idea of kissing someone doesn’t feel right.

When she does realize that people actually feel attraction and it’s not a choice it frankly confuses her quite a bit. when Dean gives her the birds and the bees talk (she’s like 15/16 when that happens) she asks if that’s how he experiences attraction and what not and is very confused by his yes.

(Also Sam got the talk from Dean a few years prior. Due to him actually seeming to need to know) Millie finally asked Dean, in part to make him uncomfortable, but also to actually learn and understand because sex Ed in the U.S. is mediocre, and she needed more clarification.

Dean had tried to have the talk with Millie before this point, and she knew enough of what was going on to get the gist of it all, but she really didn’t want to be having this conversation with her older brother, but the time John tried to have the talk with her was like 1000000 times worse.

Upon learning about asexuality, Millie almost immediately placed the label on herself, and she felt understood. (She did get teased by Dean, all in good fun because of his lack of understanding of how someone wouldn’t want sex. (Also because who wouldn’t be into guys and/or girls? But that gets brushed over.))

There���s probably more I have to say, but I need sleep.

In honor of Valentine’s Day in a couple days, I would just like to say that Millie Wren is on the aro/ace spectrum.

[hoziernaturalevents]

Hoziernatural Recs: Rare Pairs

Sign-ups for the 2024 round of the Hoziernatural Multi-Ship Bang are open, and people will soon be working to create a whole new batch of Hoziernatural content! However, for those of you who would like something to read between now and posting, we have some recs to fill that need 💜

Everything listed below is a rare pair, but if you're a person of varied taste, then check out our Wincest, Destiel, and Gen/Character Study rec lists!

Honey, There Is No "Right" Way by @rauko-creates

Beta: @petrichoravellichor

Hozier Song: Someone New

Rating: Teen and Up

Word Count: 10,181

Pairing/s: Balthazar/Castiel, Past Castiel/Dean Winchester, Past Balthazar/Hannah

Warnings: Internalized Acephobia, Internalized Arophobia

Additional Tags: Ace!Castiel, Aro!Balthazar, Demiromantic!Cas, Demisexual!Balthazar, Queer Themes, Fluff and Angst, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, Best Friends, Friends to Lovers, Roommates AU, Domestic Fluff, Happy Ending, Hurt/Comfort, Sick Character

Summary:

“That’s not how you feel about her.”

“Castiel, that’s not how I’ve ever felt about anyone. This whole…” He waved a hand in the air and propped up against the arm of the couch, “in love business...it’s complete bollocks. If you ask me, people’ve just seen too many blasted movies, got so hopped up on the rush of getting to know someone that they think that's it, that’s love, but it isn’t. Love is…” He glanced down at Castiel. “Love is choosing the person you get on with best, someone you’re able to be mates with and that you find attractive. All this ‘romance’ rubbish is just propaganda.”

Castiel looked at his friend. He thought about the warm feeling that grew inside him when they were together, the way his heart beat just a little faster every time Balthazar was close. “Yes...perhaps you’re right.”

i prayed my mind be good to me by @withthekeyisking-writer

Hozier Song: In the Woods Somewhere

Rating: Mature

Word Count: 4,789

Pairing/s: Lucifer/Sam Winchester, Dean Winchester & Sam Winchester

Warnings: Rape/Non-Con, Emotional Manipulation, Coercion, Conditioning, Stockholm Syndrome, Disordered Eating, Suicidal Thoughts, Victim Blaming

Additional Tags: Hallucination Lucifer, Post-Episode 7x15 Repo Man, Episode 7x17 The Born-Again Identity, Lucifer's Cage, Horsemen's Rings, Hurt Sam Winchester, Sam's Cage Trauma, Sleep Deprivation, Groping, Hand Jobs, Anal Sex

Summary:

"You know you want to, Sammy. You know you miss me. You know you should come get me out."

"No. No, that will never happen."

His hallucination hums, looking at him with dark eyes and something almost resembling pity. "Oh, Sam," he says. "Yes, it will."

Mid-Youth Crisis by @sunshine-zenith with art by @rauko-creates

Beta: @rauko-creates

Hozier Song: Jackie and Wilson

Rating: Teen and Up

Word Count: 9,162

Pairing/s: Rowena MacLeod/Mary Winchester, Dean Winchester & Mary Winchester, Castiel & Mary Winchester, Castiel/Dean Winchester, Lily Sunder & Kelly Kline

Warnings: Minor Blood/Injury, References to Past Character Death, Emotional Hurt/Comfort

Additional Tags: Oblivious Mary Winchester, Humor and Fluff, Finding New Love

Summary: Resurrected and thrust into a strange modern world, Mary finds herself frustratingly connecting with a certain red-haired witch. After watching Cas decide to fall to be with her son Dean, Mary starts to wonder: is she happy? WAS she ever happy? Does her chance at happiness happen to lie in an unexpected place?

Someone New by @nickelkeep with art by @deancodedcastielenby

Beta: @iambiowaresbitch

Hozier Song: Someone New

Rating: Explicit

Word Count: 11,647

Pairing/s: Cain/Castiel/Benny Lafitte/Dean Winchester

Warnings:No Major Content Warnings

Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Modern Setting, Polyamory, Foursome (M/M/M/NB), Non-Binary Character, 5 Times, Explicit Sexual Content, Light BDSM

Summary: Cain has been mourning his wife Colette for two years. Despite the promise he made her, he hasn't attempted to date again. Enter his best friend Crowley with a devious plan to help him find Someone New.

[mayalaen]

what i'm working on

Somebody asked me to post titles and summaries of what I'm working on. I don't think they expected THIS much but I always have tons of stuff in my working folder.

In His Image - (ST) the Steddie genderswap fic I'm currently posting.

CONventional Psychopathy Part 4 - (SPN) Dean takes Cas to Gadreel's loft to recover. Also working on Part 5, 6, and 7.

How I Spent My Summer Probation - (ST) Eddie fic with disciplinarian Uncle Wayne and Papa Hopper

OCF - (ST) omegas in a correctional facility for a certain Fishie

Eyeless (named after the Slipknot song) (Fargo/ST) Gator from Fargo in prison with Billy and Eddie fic

Bullseye Studios - (ST) a pr0n studio just outside Hawkins

The Billionaires' Club - (SPN AU) Billionaires are outlawed and once they hit $1b in assets, they're assigned a caretaker who disciplines them and keeps them from being evil.

?Vampires? - (SPN/AtS/BtVS) Dean gets turned by Spike and has his entire life changed in the blink of an eye.

?Interrogation Room? - (ST) shortfic? where Hopper decides Eddie, Billy, and Steve have gotten into too much trouble and need a firm hand so he spanks them in the interrogation room but oops Billy likes it!

?Eddie Has Siblings? - (ST) Eddie has an abusive older brother and sister. Wayne got him away from them, but they've come to Hawkins to visit baby brother.

Caging the Mongoose Timestamp - (SPN) Dean fucks up. Bad. And on purpose for attention. So he gets spanked right in an interrogation room in The Post Office by Dembe and Cooper.

A Faceless Demon - (SPN) KinkDotCom fusion with Van helping Dean let go of some shit.

You Live Here Now - (Fargo/ST) Munch doesn't blind Gator. He drops him off at a ranch in Hawkins, Indiana instead where Hopper, Billy, and a few others help rehabilitate him against his will.

?Eddie & The Basketball Team? - (ST) Eddie gets into a bad situation at a party. Billy's there to pick up the pieces.

??? - (ST/HDM) Future fic with daemons where Billy is a firefighter living with an abusive partner but his daemon thinks that paramedic guy is a much better partner, and she also thinks his daemon is hot.

Billy Has to Ask - (ST) Max is sick of Billy's shit. El scares the shit out of him and from then on he mostly does what Max says. If he fucks up, she makes him go to an adult and ask for a spanking.

??? - (X-Files/SPN) Sam and Dean are undercover but so are Skinner and Mulder. Skinner doesn't like Dean's attitude or Sam's arguments, so he puts them under FBI care. Namely himself.

?Threesome Soulmate AU? - I don't even know what fandom I want this in but it's an idea that's been stuck in my head for years and wants to come out. An aro, an ace, and a demi are all very reluctant soulmates.

Long Distance Call - (SPN) Dean's an omega without an alpha until their newest roommate, Pamela Barnes, moves in.

I'm probably missing a few, but there ya go!

[pinkrangerv]

Supernatural isn't canonically anything. They barely know that queer people exist, just enough to make homophobic jokes and do the "bury your gays" trope

So the post you're referring to is one where we're discussing queer subtext. Yes, the SPN writers did in fact know what queer people are, and probably knew about aromanticism and asexuality--those two, not by name, but queer people did not suddenly start existing in 2014. They knew. That's why Charlie was a character. She was lesbian. That was textual. They really, really knew gay people existed.

SPN writers not only understood aromanticism and asexuality, they very lovingly wrote an entire series that makes an insane amount of sense from that lens. Sure, those words are obscure to your average rando straight, but consider:

Neither Dean or Sam have a girlfriend (past Jessie). Dean never even has a girlfriend in the first place. Past Jessie's death, Dean has sex and Sam occasionally finds a girl, but for all Sam's torn about it, the 'important' relationship in life is as brothers.

Castiel doesn't sleep with Dean, nor does he date him. But Castiel says he has a profound bond with him, from early on, and he'll drop everything to go spend time with Dean and Sam.

These relationships exist in real life. They're queer relationships--aromantic and asexual ones. Castiel and Dean canonically have a queerplatonic relationship, because that's what that means: they are functioning as a married couple, but don't do the 'married' bits. Sam and Dean have a familial relationship and don't break apart for other ones; this is common with asexual or aromantic people.

Without these relationships, there's no plot. There's no Supernatural. Sure, if you'd asked the writers, they wouldn't have known the words--but these are very, very much queer themes. They're just not gay themes.

It's kind of ridiculous to say that anyone, in any part of history, doesn't understand that queer people exist. The SPN writers did not live under a rock. They may not have approved of being gay, sure, but you don't write an entire show requiring asexual relationships without having an understanding it exists. They were grown adults, not five-year-olds. Yes, they put that in on purpose, no matter what they thought the name was.

If you have gay headcanons, great, go for it. But claiming that the entire premise of the show is somehow 'not really aro\ace' because you really want gay sex? Yeah, this is not canon. It's your headcanon. That's not bad, either! Fandom involves thousands of alternate universes, and what-ifs, and all kinds of headcanons--it's a vital part of it! It's not somehow 'lesser' for your headcanon not to be canon.

But canonically, the queer themes in the text of SPN are aro\ace. Charlie is gay. But the Winchesters and Castiel are not.

[cas-coding]

hi hi writing a fic with a bunch of spn characters coming out multiple times as they discover their identities more!! so far it will have

dean, first as ftm trans and then later as bisexual as he reevaluates his attraction to men (hint hint its not just gender envy babe)

jo, first as bisexual, then as a lesbian after she confronts her comphet (lovely wonderful conversation with ellen where she describes everything <3)

cas, first as ace and then as agender (yes im literally making everyone queer i thought we figured that out by now)

sam, first as pan and then as nonbinary (literally one of my fav hcs)

jack, first as queer and then as genderfluid (slayyy)

meg, revealing she is aro to cas and then talking to them about her past male vessels (she is mtf!)

yall should rb or comment anyone else you want me to throw in the mix + what they would come out as (ill probably agree, spn is all kinds of queer !!)

[deanbrainrotwritings]

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— COMFORT CHARACTERS

dean winchester, the doctor, wanda maximoff, cayde-6

— FAVOURITE CHARACTERS

donna noble, link, mobius, obi-wan kenobi, eric effiong, anakin skywalker, beau arlen, soldier boy, clara oswald, amy pond, 12th doctor, daenerys targaryen, sirius black, din djarin, r2d2, matt murdock, like uh all ryan gosling’s characters

— FAVOURITE SERIES AND MOVIES

supernatural, lars and the real girl, the fall guy, resident alien, the winchesters, doctor who, the boys, scooby-doo, the grand tour, heroes, gen v, big sky, marvel, dc comics, fallout, extraordinary attorney woo, the last of us, bullet train, the mandalorian, dark angel, sex education, business proposal, hannibal, strong girl bong-soon, weightlifting fairy kim bok-joo, modern family, parks and recreation, good omens, sherlock holmes, bee and puppycat, game of thrones, buffy the vampire slayer, harry potter, john wick, star wars, the sandman, the umbrella academy, adventure time, brooklyn 99, invader zim, dexter, tombstone, austin powers, mega mind, scott pilgrim vs. the world, teen wolf, the king : eternal monarch, ten inch hero, the vampire diaries, the devil’s hour, narcos, my bloody valentine, miraculous ladybug, the originals, a monster calls, smallville, the walking dead, you, the magicians, merlin, once upon a time, criminal minds, house md, devour, fairly odd parents, true crime, dawson’s creek + more

— FAVOURITE DUOS

merlin & arthur, twelve & clara, ten & donna, house & wilson, scooby-doo & shaggy, link & midna, sherlock & john, c3po & r2d2, nikki & pug, anakin & obiwan, anakin & ahsoka, din djarin & grogu, mobius & loki, lemon & tangerine, ron & april, stiles & derek, natasha & clint

— FAVOURITE SHIPS

wanda/vision, wanda/loki, thor/jane, river/the doctor, amy/rory, vastra/jenny, jo/dean, cassie/dean, lisa/dean, bela/dean, jessica/sam, rowena/sam, eileen/sam, jody/donna, meg/castiel, charlie/jo, saint-14/osiris, eris/drifter, ray holt/kevin, tara/willow, spike/buffy, sirius/remus, andy/april, jordan/marie, lucifer/chloe

— OTHER FAVOURITE THINGS

destiny, legend of zelda, bts, muse, avenged sevenfold, led zeppelin, radio company, my chemical romance, fall out boy, waterparks (band), lots of music, coconut milk, cooking/baking, drawing, tea, coffee, honey, chocolate, spicy foods, doughnuts, all shades of green, books, astronomy, physics, liquid eyeliner, bees, animals, silly pens, rocks, dinosaurs, flowers/plants, comic books, paradoxes, carl jung, friedrich nietzsche, cowboys, soft blankets, superheroes, fun socks, shoes, bags, lip tint>>>

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Bonding Over Books

Bonding Over Books https://ift.tt/38aFB0f by AmieWritesFic “Dammit, Bradbury! Answer the phone” Dean muttered as his best friend’s line went unanswered. He knew better than to call her instead of texting, but this was an emergency. On the last ring, an irritated voice picks up. “What is it, Winchester? It’s way too early.” Dean glanced at the clock, it was almost noon, but his friend was probably up all night gaming. “Charlie, it’s a code red. I may have accidentally come out to my dad.” _____ In which a closeted Dean has been in love with Cas for years, but can barely talk to him until a series of unfortunate and awkward events and a love of old books brings them together. Words: 1915, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English Fandoms: Supernatural (TV 2005) Rating: Mature Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: M/M Characters: Dean Winchester, Castiel (Supernatural), Charlie Bradbury, Meg Masters, Gertrude Middleton, Ash (Supernatural), Sam Winchester, Jessica Moore, Garth Fitzgerald IV, Lee Webb, Lisa Braeden Relationships: Castiel/Dean Winchester, Jessica Moore/Sam Winchester, Charlie Bradbury & Dean Winchester, Castiel & Meg Masters Additional Tags: Bisexual Dean Winchester, Gay Castiel (Supernatural), Alternate Universe - High School, Coming Out, classic literature, John Winchester's A+ Parenting, No beta we die like winchesters, But I did proofread like 10 times, Art to come, Charlie's mom is like top tier Jody level mom, Ace/Aro Spectrum Meg, Other Additional Tags to Be Added, Fluff and Angst, Mostly Fluff via AO3 works tagged 'Castiel/Dean Winchester' https://ift.tt/VOdUk7M February 09, 2023 at 04:38PM

[pinkrangerv]

Also let's remember: Aro and ace identities are ALSO queer.

Dean likes sex...but Dean hates the idea of getting married. He loves Castiel, and Castiel loves him, but neither of them, canonically, WANT to date or get married.

That's a queerplatonic relationship, with Dean and Castiel both aromantic, and Castiel possibly asexual. IN CANON.

Sam? He likes sex...sometimes. But he's very romance-focused, and sex is more of a 'sometimes' thing for him. So he's somewhere on the aro spectrum.

For a lot of people who are aro or ace, it's normal to have a primary relationship that isn't a dating one. Sam and Dean tried to make their brotherhood that relationship, and added Castiel together--Castiel is qpr with Dean, but he and Sam are ALSO deeply involved, though in a less-defined way.

ALL THE BOYS ARE QUEER AS FUCK. It's just that 'gay' isn't quite the right word. They're all aro or ace, and they're very canonically expressing it.

This was all said in 2020 but supernatural neuters homosexuality to such an insane degree which is, to be clear, homophobic. But it also means little miss up for interpretation is pretty fucked: re scraping out a believable heterosexual living. Gay couples in supernatural DONT say they’re gay they DONT kiss they DONT say yes I am a man. Who is attracted to men. So the fact that Dean doesn’t do any of that. Does not detract from the idea of him being gay. Dean seeing two married men: what’s it like settling down with a hunter? no gay person says the word gay at any point ever to describe themselves. Dean also doesn’t do this. He is also living a neutered homosexual lifestyle, as is the norm in the cw’s supernatural 2005-2020