#anyway im sorry for the discourse again.

[thatonedemonnamedlucifer]

sorry to be once again discourse-y, but i think people need to realize that the problem with fandom isn't shipping, fanfiction, porn or even fandom existing. the actual reasons why most fandoms become so toxic and unwelcoming is the encouragement of harassment. it's "proship vs anti" discourse (both the people and the terms themselves). it's the puritan mindsets. it's the superiority complexes that people get. it's the gatekeeping. it's the ableism, queerphobia, racism and misogyny. it's the lack of media literacy. it's sheltering people that have done harm (predators, pedophiles, bigots, fascists, etc) all of those are why fandom become toxic.

while i do agree that there ship pairings that are *yikes* and that romanticizing dark elements is *also yikes*, those aren't the main issues. i'd argue that those are a symptom of many of the above, particuarly poor media literacy, sometimes queerphobia (especially when it comes to ace characters), misogyny and a bunch of other things. (well. it's also because some people are just... shitty. but that goes without saying).

[c1trvswurld]

Now, if I said you guys are sick in the head, everyone would look at me weird like I'm the bad guy.

[smoke-glass]

Simple Reminder -

But if your Racist, Xenophobic, Homophobic, or just a plain asshole WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? This community isnt for you. Quackity made this server to unite cultures, languages and people together. It's not for you and never will be unless you look at yourself in the mirror, change and educate yourself. Until then don't interact with me or anyone else on this Tumblr, we're just gonna simply ignore you and move on b/c realistically you're just a person behind a screen writing hate b/c you hate your own life.

Also RP is RP, it's not REAL, stop taking it so realistically. If you are pls complain to yourself in the mirror like a normal person or take a break and calm yourself down instead of writing a hate comment.

Also for the people who need to take a break from all the Twitter Drama from the coming months. Go take a break king. You deserve it 💜

[queenerdloser]

i'm not trying to be mean but if you're not american and you have no idea how the american voting system works, maybe just shut the fuck up about the 2024 election. thanks.

[cdmodule]

My 1 take I can give on current bfdi/tpot "criticism" (which I don't see much of but It Exists) is that from what I've seen is that a good chunk of it can be boiled down to "It's not pre split bfb"

[note-boom]

I don't have time to put together something that's coherent, so I shamefully offer some my reacts I shamelessly spammed while watching the new episode

SEASON FIVE LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Why is it always the tacos that are sacrificed?

YO NEW OP?!??!?!

Man, Kunikida....that raw scream so made up for Jouno's nightmare face

I love the way Ango understands that Kyouka and Lucy would choose Atsushi and once again resigns himself to become the villain for the "greater good." I want to know how he got that mentality. He is so aware that the "for the greater good" philosophy is messed up and yet he still goes for it, as if he's aware he has a choice but really has no choice at all

"Kamui" the masked man says when we all know it's just Ranpo being dramatic

Let's be honest, though. Kyouka and Lucy have the most realistic reactions to Atsu's existence in the entire animangaverse of BSD. Like, yeah, I also wouldn't hesitate to stab Ango (even though I love and adore him) and would protect Atsushi no question if it came to a choice (as much as I love to see him de-limbed)

I love my phone, too, Katai...you are not alone in this

It was just your son, Fukuzawa, chill

Also, love seeing Souheki at work

THAT WAS THE MOST DRAMATIC CAPE TWIRL AND I'M KINDA JEALOUS OF IT

full respect to ranpo for lugging around kunikida, who is like twenty-five cm taller than him around

Unnamed lady in that meeting place, you have your priorities straight

The fact that Ranpo recognized a life he'd saved....I wonder if him telling Poe "I never forget a mystery I solved" was also foreshadowing this moment that shows he remembers every single life he's saved. And now I'm curious if this is a Kunikida parallel. Never forget a life I've killed/life that's been lost vs never forget a life that's been saved. Something something the ADA really does stand up for life over death because it does not dwell on those that have passed, though it does carry their legacy, but remembers everyone they have saved. Every life saved matters and this is the arc that shows that. Life over not just death but prestige and power and all that stuff - maybe we don't know what "life" means just yet, but we know that it take precedence over the things we do to live it

Anyway. How about that season 5 OP?? I can't wait to see the ED's animation!

[losergendered]

what does pro-para mean?

means that you support/dont stigmatize people who experience paraphilic attraction (any attraction deemed outside of the norm. this ranges from things like the big three to things like foot fetishes to things like latex. its a huge huge huge huge range). many of these types of attractions are disordered.

[pinkeoni]

Well. I was very passionate about something and then I went too far off the initial goal and ended up being wrong ✌️ just a reminder to ppl like me that the opposing argument is good to listen to. Sometimes they are right

[skrunksthatwunk]

if you're reading this ask yourself whether you would accept a genderfluid or multigender person's lesbian identity. now consider whether or not you would accept a trans man's lesbian identity. now consider whether you would accept a cis man's lesbian identity.

because i think there are many people who would accept the first, but not the second two, and others who would accept the first two, but not the last one. but from where i'm standing, these are all inseparable questions.

the acceptance for multigender, genderfluid, and other similar gender-ID lesbians as valid forms of lesbians is often subtextually qualified by the fact that they are not only men. so men are allowed within lesbian spaces, but only if they are a) only men sometimes or b) not exclusively men. but i think this goes back to the idea that lesbians are "non-men who love non-men," an idea that assumes a mutual exclusivity between men and other genders, as well as men and lesbians/lesbianism. this is a concept of sapphicism that excludes many people, myself included.

i have seen people present the idea of trans men and lesbians having a historic connection and community/experiential overlap, and thus the idea of a trans man who is also a lesbian often sits within that historical (i.e. bygone) context, as well as that shared experience. i think two things happen here. first, there is a belief that this is an old phenomenon, one that no longer occurs due to the greater number of more highly proliferated labels. the thought is that this overlap would not have occured if they'd had the proper language available—that people would slot into their boxes neatly, essentially. this is not true, as evidenced by the modern existence of trans men who are/were/once ID'd as lesbians, and lesbians who are/were/once ID'd as trans men. the second is the idea that that confusion or overlap essentially gives them a pass to call themselves lesbians, due to attachment to the title; or the suggestion that a shared experience gives them the right, even as men, to identify as lesbians anyway, a right that is not extended to cis men. but i ask what that shared experience might be, and whether that should be the qualification? is it a queer afab upbringing? that could mean a lot of things. aroace women would also have such an upbringing, and many of them would not view themselves as lesbians. there are plenty of lesbians who are not afab as well, and do not have whatever externally-perceived girlhood is imagined within that. plenty of trans men (and other afab trans people) do not view themselves as having ever been little girls, and plenty of trans women (and other non-afab trans people) view themselves as having been, at some point, boys. there are many others still whose "shared experience" will not be so neatly defined. intersex people of all genders often have very different experiences with perceived and experienced sex and gender, particularly if their puberty is blatantly not typical girl-puberty or boy-puberty. even things like racial or class dynamics could skew that experience, of who is allowed to be a girl (i.e. black women in america being barred from the social roles of "woman" because the concept is associated with/necessitates whiteness), or similar questions. my point is that, while perhaps a stronger link, shared experience is an undefinable and non-comprehensive concept here, as with, frankly, most/all gender/sexuality concepts. any box will lead to exclusion; every rule has exceptions.

this leads me to the third concept. though it may be hard for some to imagine a cis man who is also (genuinely, unironically) a lesbian, i think it is safe to assume that at least one exists, and likely many more. (in discussions of gender/sexuality theory, i think it is best practice to assume that is the case.) my challenge to you, especially if you said yes to the prior two and no to this one, is to consider what makes a cis man different from these prior examples. if you believe that some men may be allowed into lesbianism, why not cis men? what makes them different? why should men need additional genders to be lesbians? why should they need to have the community-approved gender path/understanding to be lesbians? who dictates the life or experience that allows one to be a lesbian, and is it anyone's right to decide that?

i just think it's good to ask yourself these things. i am very happy to see an increase in acceptance of the first two categories of lesbians on here, but i think (and i say this with love) that a lot of these people don't really consider why they are accepted, and whether those rules apply to other groups. they begin to accept others, but don't question the broader framework. it's just a suggestion. as a genderfluid + multigender lesbian myself, i have to confront the "no boys allowed/men dni" stuff a lot, and i think the ways i'm affected by it and my experience trying to encourage the letting go of such sentiments has given me some perspective on the issue. and although im not cis anything, much less a cis man, i guess i wanted to like,, prompt some reflection in people? because i think there's a lot of well-meaning and genuinely very progressive people who may think "you're a lesbian if you say you are" but don't apply that to situations where they're confronted with a type of lesbian they don't understand/that doesn't fit their definitions. like if self-id is what matters then anyone could be a lesbian. my point is that that's true, and that's okay. you don't need to keep anyone out. lesbianism is in your heart, basically.

[sadie-wolfdawn]

ok im done 👍

[rig-a-rendal]

i am going to be absolutely insane about the dog cage by the way. Like i can feel it brewing in me. it’s not just psychosexual it’s The Box too. the cage is his role as the little brother. the weak one. the fuckup. the bad child. the cage is his family. the media. the last name. the cage is his worst fear and yet his greatest salvation. when he’s in The Box he knows he’s where he belongs. he knows he is still A Roy. he knows somebody Cared enough to lock the door behind him. brother as a twisted savior of brother. jesus and satan and they can’t tell which one is which because They Switch Constantly. do you guys still like me

[infiniteorangethethird]

I really don't want to be stirring up discourse or anything here but I can't not make a note here because this is exactly the kind of mindset the post is talking about. There exists this belief in far too many people that the default way of existing as an alloromantic (and allosexual) person is that you want a relationship and if you don't then there's something wrong with you - you're traumatized, you have a hormone imbalance, you're mentally ill etc - and it's genuinely damaging. People (sometimes even regardless of sexual or romantic orientation) would rather be in a relationship that is downright toxic and abusive than be single, because being single is Bad and Wrong and if they don't want to be in a relationship there's Something Wrong With Them.

But that's not how people work. People have preferences and personal likes and dislikes, and sometimes that includes not liking or wanting to be in a relationship. Yeah, sometimes trauma causes that, but people can also just not like it for whatever reason they have, including no reason at all, and that's perfectly fine and normal too. In fact, I'm fairly convinced more people would be willing to admit their aversion to dating and romance if they knew this was an acceptable option too - hence the post.

Like prev said in their tags, don't assume random internet strangers' traumas. If you (general you) hear someone admit they don't like romance and your gut reaction is that there's something wrong with them, then perhaps you are the person who could benefit from hearing "alloros can still stay single!!" more.

"aros can still date!!": boring. tired. overused. frequently used to make aros look more palatable and acceptable to amatonormative society.

"alloros can still stay single!!": fresh. new. exciting. hearing it could change many people's lives for the better regardless of romantic orientation

[goomyloid]

i am so sorry about all of the discourse i’m seeing on twitter about kriselle 😭 all of it was so dumb to me and you deserve so much better. just wanted to throw a nice message your way and say that your brain is absolutely Massive and your kriselle arts and thoughts make me feel so mentally ill in the best way possible, they are so juicy to think about and rotate around like a microwave. you retweeted my kriselle fanart and i screamed over being recognized by the CEO of this ship it is forever an honor… anyways i hope ur day is swagful

;___; i teared up reading this... thank you so so much for your support, it really means a lot..!!! i think everyone should catch the kriselle illness forever but i may be biased here

ive never been ceo of a ship before...LOL i was discussing that with some friends yesterday... surely there are others more ill out there than me right. right. guys? (actually all the most ill krisellers find each other and we actively make each other worse)

regardless i hope no more dumb discourse like what happened on twitter the past few days happens again... i know it made some more people rise to kriselle's defense but im also afraid it might have turned more people off to it because they got tired of hearing about it lol... i want to say it all turned out as a net postiive but it feels like a net negative in my heart help

but anyway all krisellers get behind me Big goomyloid will protect you

[scopophobia-polaris]

So, to add on to Navi's post, because her whole read for the original was getting screenshots from the game to debunk what was said, of course....we are now here. I want to tell you that no one here disagreed with your conclusion about Ganondorf being a victim. What we here disagreed with was the method you used to get there. Simplifying Ganondorf down to solely good or solely evil is something this Fandom does all the time with little to no nuance. And even though you have written an eloquent essay, Published even! You twisted or outright made up parts of the game to get to your conclusion. In essay writing, that's called a logical fallacy, and the whole essay either twists what happens in the game or outright gets it wrong.

Now people are probably gonna wonder why I'm treating this like a big deal or why I'm speaking so blunt, because this is by all means very stupid fandom drama.

But I think when you're a college prof and you get an essay published and it's online for people to read everywhere without you, one, not giving the context behind Ganondorf's creation and the coding of his appearance and motivations, two the complexities of a corporate conglomerate in a notoriously socially conservative country taking aesthetics from countries who were historically colonized. And Three, The way that video games are a collaborative effort with usually no singular vision, this is very true at nintendo despite what people may think, and at any moment changes can be made for any reason by team leads or executives that would hinder or even hurt a story. It detrimental to the audience reading it that you do not provide them more of a couple of screenshots

Basically, many things go into a story and now I'm taking this more from a DOYLIST view right here talking about Nintendo. But I'm doing this because you keep trying to say..... well fuck man do I need to pull up more examples? Navi got them all, the whole essay is you trying HEAVILY to imply that Nintendo MEANT to do all of this, as in intentional in the story, idk I feel crazy, words have meaning, specific wording has implication, oh and this dosent even get into how localization can change things 😃😀 wording has meaning and sometimes translators don't have cultural contexxxtttttttt and to not even mention about Nintendo's history or even the short hand that comes from Ganondorf's design and the historical Orientalism behind it feels like a disservice to the paper, but much more qualified people then I have discussed the way Ganondorf is written and probably would love to discuss or link to previous writing again if asked.

And this is a cold take but Nintendo isn’t the place you should be looking to for deep story telling, they will always be a corporate entity first and the bottom line is a general audience, this does not mean JUST KIDS this means to a generalized population. And this is extremely cynical but a lot of people cant even handle the complexity of a female character who is mean, like Midna, do you really think people would handle a Ganondorf like how he is in Tp being portrayed in any form of film language as good????? This game dropped 5 years after 9/11, Nintendo was never gonna lose out in money like that.

And Dude people have given so much shit to HUGE fanartists and comic authors about their work portraying Ganondorf in a sympathetic light, you would of thunk more people would of picked up on Ganondorf's story being written as tragedy if there was something in the game that actually DID that. Maybe they would of written a blog post about how Midna saw Link kill Ganondorf and was ashamed of that or Ganondorf TOTALLY said the history of light and shadow will be written in blood thing before the final battle, you think people would of talked about huh why did Ganondorf say that there or something and maybe went 🤔 instead of it being argued that Tp Ganondorf had the weakest writing of the series until TotK threw a pile of flaming shit at my door with a picture of Ganondorf on it.

Navi also goes in depth on how Hyrule has not exactly stagnated like what was claimed in History of Light and Shadow by using the Goron merchants and Yeto as examples.

Rynling has stated that the cause of the stagnation and decline is due to an ineffectual leader that has "Not allowed its people to be revitalized by change and diversity."

Now I am familiar with the flaws of an undetermined national unity, I am very familiar with the subject, but I’m not going to speak like an authority. Id rather let someone much more qualified make that post and I link back to it, because i know its coming. But Navi said in her post that the idea of what could of happened at Arbiter's Grounds can completely blow over someone's head if they didn't play OoT first, and I think more or less this is accurate, certain things are lost in Wind Waker even with the recaps, but I wanna join in on this in my own way...

Rynling....you may say Hyrule has been on a decline during Tp......you may even think OoT had a more stable Hyrule or some shit.....i THINK YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE PLOT OF OCARINA OF TIME BAYBEEEEEEE

THE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL THAT I CAN PULL UP TO PROVE MY SHIT ABOUT OOT HYRULE BEING DOG SHIT IN COMPARISON TO TP

Like if you're seriously gonna link me and Navi to your essay then I am about to go full BTW it's a Sativa and eat that bitch after midnight cuZ we YELLIN ABOUT OCARINA OF TIME ON THIS POST FOR EVERYONE🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

All of Ocarina of Time's narrative is haunted by the civil war, the whole reason why Link is being raised in the woods is cuz of the civil war, the Sheikah are implied to have died out during the same conflict, and well its said that Hyrule was unified during it

Civil War yet the translators use unified the country like it WASNT under a sole ruler before? Hello? I need to go back through the Japanese script for the game again to see if i missed something of the game and freak it harder. And do realize the Deku sprout in this screenshot says fierce war but every where else, including the Zelda wiki (not fandom) its CIVIL War.

The Gate to Death mountain and Simultaniously the fence at Zora's river gives us and idea that peace was....tenuous at best downright hostile at worse given relations with the Gerudo

so today we gonna do some fun comparing and contrasting the Gorons and how they are treated in OoT to TP

and we gonna start with his racist ass BHJBHDBHKCJW

I mean, damn remmeber how mad Darunia is at Link for being the supposed royal family messenger? Link Unlocking the door to Darunia's room with Zelda's lullaby, I think it's a little funny that Darunia is hung up , you know, like he knows this is some disrespectful shit

Hey wannna hear some shit? The gates at the edge of death mountain aren't guarded by Gorons and were not built by them you can tell, the only way to visit the mountain is to get permission from the King to go up and not from the people that actually live there

God and like, there is something about the way Darunia locks himself in his room, like he does it to keep the ruby safe from all the other Gorons being so hungry that he's frightened they're gonna eat it, he doesn't know what to do on how to act about the Dodongos that Ganondorf summon on him for not giving over that rock. It qlmost sounds like when Ganondorf came in and Threatened Darunia, and that he (Darunia) sent a message to the royal family asking for help, why else would he be expecting someone to come meet with him?

"If I'm not mistaken, you came out here to eat the red stone too! Well, too bad! It's not here! What? That's not why you're here? You're looking for a "Spiritual Stone?" You must mean that delicious-looking red stone that was once displayed above the city! I was so hungry that I thought it would be OK to just give it one tiny, little lick...so I snuck up there. But it was already gone! I think Big Brother took it away. He always says that everyone is after that red stone! Big Brother has shut himself up in his room saying, "I will wait in here for the Royal Family's messenger!" this is a quote from the Goron that you can find on the middle of the rope bridge thing in Goron city.

Yeah so he sent a letter or something and no one answered yeesh.

contrast this all with TP where OH LOOKS WHO'S GUARDING DEATH MOUNTAIN

so in TP spoilers, this happens

Kakariko is more connected then ever! Renado here is wondering what the hell is going on with their FRIENDS. And yeah the Goron elder Gor Coron is trying to keep the last few people from kakariko left safe, and other Gorons, i mean, theyre keeping a piece of the fused shadow in there. also the way that entry into the temple goes in this game is cute, Darunia was freaking it cuz everyone is starving, but here Link wrestles his way up a mountain to ask the Gron elder whats happening since he was asked to come here by Renado, Gor Coron goes DAMN

unless......?

IDK ITS LIKE? ITS SILLY? Idk Hyrule isnt the best place but why try and act like this doesnt happen during TP?

so where am i getting at with this? the hell was going on back during OoT? If things are so odd and weirdly tense with the gates gaurds and non responses

"As time passed, the Triforce became a legend, and the different people of Hyrule forgot the laws and wisdom that the goddesses had left behind. Warfare and strife became common in Hyrule, as the armies of the Zora marched on the Hylians. The Gorons fought the Gerudo. It seemed every race of Hyrule was at the other's throat. Only the secluded Kokiri, sheltered by their magical forest and the Great Deku Tree, were spared the destruction of Hyrule's civil wars.

After 50 years of ceaseless combat, there arose a Hylian King of great wisdom, courage and power. Through his brilliant military campaigns and wise diplomacy, he was able to bring the varied people of Hyrule into a tenuous harmony. Treaties of peace were signed, and prosperity once again seemed to bloom in Hyrule. But no sooner had people declared peace in Hyrule than trouble once again stalked the land."

Tenuous Harmony, could you imagine if they dropped a line like this in Creating a champion? The tumblr side of the fandom would go fucking nuts with that info like OHHHHH SHIT WAS GOING ONNNNNN

This was ALL on the offical Nintendo Zelda website back when oot was the big game out, we have this cuz someone saved it to the wayback, THIS SCREENSHOT WAS FROM DECEMBER 14TH 2001, ABOUT A FULL YEAR AND A DAY UNTIL WIND WAKER WAS RELEASED IN JAPAN. THAT'S INSANE RIGHT???? ‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

And then it all probably got deleted once wind waker became the new thing!!! Or when they wanted to modernize and deleted it!!! THAT SUCKS RIGHT????

And what's worse is that it introduces some new info and also clarifies something. Hey you know when I made that post like damn Darunia racist as hell

"Warfare and strife became common in Hyrule, as the armies of the Zora marched on the Hylians. The Gorons fought the Gerudo."

NO WHERE IN THE GAME THE LEGEND OF ZELDA OCARINA OF TIME IT SAYS THIS, IT DOES NOT STATE THERE WAS CONFLICT BETWEEN THE GORONS AND GERUDO.....LIKE DIN GET YA KIDS.....IM LOOKING EVERYWHERE FOR SOMETHING I MUST OF MISSED.

But Like oh hey a fucking explanation to why he just fucking says that, I figure it was cuz of Ganondorf trying to almond mom all of them or that he kept talking to the King and well.....Navi already showed the GENERAL reaction to the Gerudo in castle town.

it went from oh hes just racist to dARUNIA AND GANONDORF HAVE HISTORY????

But the interesting one is why did thy Zora "marched on the Hylians."

Like sitting here like, I know a comic made in Germany shouldn't be a be all end all in shit I knew it never was and it would like. If you put this in warrior cats canonicoty categorization would be considered lower down supplementary material dubious canon, but their are things in the comic AND the Himekawa manga that behinds some behind the scenes actions given that LINK'S MOM HAS A MOSTLY CONSISTENT DESIGN WHAT THE HELLLLLLLL. And I always thought the Goron Zora war thing was stupid but Nintendo then had that out on their website, what the hell was going ON.

Because idk i didnt think much of Zora De Bon XVI and the Hyrulien King's relationship but

Now a days the Zelda website is much different and does not have lore pages like this anymore, it's more like a summary of the timeline. But yeah actually Nintendo approved shit, Hylian/Zora war.

Hyrule is progressing, its just going slowly, Hyrule is not AS stifled by its monarchy or a lack of integration during TP because Hyrule IS integrating, is people's are intermingling like is hasn't before during this game.

And this isn't even to get started on the E3 demo of Twilight princess that the trip that Link is supposed to take at the beginning of the game was to be the representative of Ordon at the "Hyrule summit

and Hyrule is described in a VERY specific way

Kingdom of Hyrule and neighboring realms? like theyre all not under the crown? so like???? FUN, that didn't end up making it in the game. the dailouge that is, But the remints is still there in the way the game is made up, like how OoT is built off is civil war bones

actually funny, Navi just got me screenshots of the way the dialouge was changed here

Like stuff clearly changed during the demo and finished game, I should of been touching more on the intricacies of how like shit was just change for no reason sometimes but uh....

But maybe @rawliverandgoronspice would want to one day like about games industry stuff if you ever want to 😭 I know you're super passionate on this and I wish I like even off hand mentioned something about how like TP is also effected by how games are made but I didn't and I'm a fool but games are complicated as hell and that post you made talking a bit about it was fun ya know 👉👈 and the Beta of Tp changes a LOT of stuff, one Rusl really is like a brother to link in the way he messes with him, it actually makes some weird Nintendo licensed shit saying hes like a big brother to Link made WAYYYYY more since with the Beta in mind, but....that also mean they tried to keep the big bro vibes....but then put the dad ones in there too like.....uh...did..someone not change his summary anywhere?

that was my big thing i wanted to talk about, navi's already touched on everything else i just think the parallels here between the Goron quest between OoT and TP changes in such a nice way.

And like this doesn't get into other shit about TP, like if we wanna deep dive into shit ya don't gotta do it by twisting the story, like I was going and talking to @blackautmedia to ask with some help when it came to like.......god idk what i even said anymore i was going a mile a minute. He wants to write his own thing on Twilight princess so im not gonna step on his toes but he has recommended Arabs and Muslims in the Media: Race and Representation after 9/11 by Evelyn Alsultany, the link I provided here is too her website and her page on the book this link here is from her own site that has a pdf of a part American Quarterly with a paper by the same name.

Anyways i wanna reflex for a moment cuz ive been up for hours finishing this because my brain wont stop unless i do. But the thing that by all means started this, was not your reblog linking me and Navi to your essay, or that there is 2 versions i found out where the paper published one had a lot more context to why you wrote your tumblr post the way you did, Navi helped me get the parts that were cut, please realize removing these does not remove the sentiment from the essay, its baked in.

fanfic, its a popular Fan interpretation that there was fighting between the Gerudo and Hylians after Ganondorf was caught trying to take the triforce, but this is not stated to of happened in the lore itself or even has evidence to back it up other then the Implications of Arbiter's grounds theory

UGHHHH AND THIS AGAIN "Twilight Princess Delivers a subtle yet poignant protest against neoliberal discourses of empire reflected in the rhetoric of heroism inform the geopolitical movements of Japan throught the twentieth century"

WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING TALKING ABOUT......

i dont mean this in a stupid ass way, im saying where the hell was about the protest thing, wait i really shouldt take from the published one cuz you actually dumbed down the line for tumblr

anyways again, where, Navi made it clear enough with her own post that, no, the way that Ganondorf is animated has no sympathy for him until the light is literally leaving him. Hell Twilight princess inst very kind to the gerudo either given that the only thing said about them is that they were thieves and nothing more. Like somehow OoT is more empathetic to the Gerudo, it doesn't just call them thieves, it aint great its not even good its just a bad portrayal of a people, and yet somehow OoT is willing to show the Gerudo in a neutral light at points then TP ever did.

but the reason i decided to just throw down a post is cuz i was pissed that you went after Ezlo for reblogging ME and NAVI's posts and purposefully misunderstood their fuckin wind waker post about ZELDA YOUTUBERS

dude you had them getting genuinely harassed by people with 0 reading comprehension that thinks a snarky reply to a tumblr post means its 100% correct. Webbed. Site.

anyways, I hope people don't take this as a right or wrong way to interpret a piece of work, as stated before, I read your essay, navi read your essay, you changed parts of Twilight Princess to get to the conclusion of you paper...And im gonna be real but it's kinda crazy that you're using post colonial melancholia for this when it's got some.....well something like idk i need someone to do a full ass review because there are point where i gently raise an eyebrow im gonna be real. but also like

like how do you read his book and then miss out on this, one of your whole big aruments is that hyrule is stagnate and not multi cultural and i had to grab screenshots and Navi had to get shit from the game.

like damn, do yall ever uh feel a strange sadness when dusk falls? i do. Idk this is one of the first and last times Nintendo ever delt with Ganondorf with some form a sympathy for him, cuz we got the dragon explosion in totk its like oh he's turbo evil now and he exploded you exploded him and yet the Gerudo probably still gotta pay for his shit from a billion years ago anyways idk idk idk pot shots at totk again.

I know you dug around a little for that post, and I understand from the numerous people that dmed me about that, you probably went on making an essay on their post so you could sound smart again.

And to be clear, I was told to drop some shit i was about to say about you because no one wants to start fandom drama, neither do I truly and any jab on the post itself would just be rude. people change and some people only learn to shut the hell up, so we'll keep it at that. I just hope you really don't truly recognize some of these people you started shit with.

So yeah tldr, uh.....idk, im going in for an autism screening in a month

also me watching the ending to windwaker cuz i wanted to say something about stong endings TP fans im sorry But Wind waker's ending hits no matter what best sequal to OoT thats isnt Majora's mask

The History of Light and Shadow

At the end of Twilight Princess, Ganondorf delivers one of his most memorable lines, “The history of light and shadow will be written in blood.” He is not wrong. As the player has witnessed over the course of Link’s adventure, Hyrule is haunted by ruins and ghost towns, a mere shadow of what it once was. The landscape is filled with numerous sites of past violence and empty spaces visibly marked by decay and wasted potential.

When Zelda tells Link and Midna that “these dark times are the result of our deeds,” she is referring to specific historical acts of imperialistic aggression. Hyrule established hegemony over its outlying territories by crushing the rebellions against its advances, but the kingdom has suffered from cultural stagnation as a result. Without the dynamic diversity symbolized by Ganondorf, Hyrule finds itself in economic and political decline, isolated from any contact with the world beyond its shrinking borders.

As a representative of a marginalized group of people who have been attacked and driven from their homes, Ganondorf is a tangible manifestation of the horrors of imperialism. He must be defeated, but doing so does not address the underlying problems that have resulted in Hyrule’s decline. I therefore want to argue that Twilight Princess uses Ganondorf to deliver a subtle yet poignant protest against the discourses of empire reflected by the dualistic “light and shadow” rhetoric of heroism that has resulted in tragedy and regret.

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[starryjkoo]

Respectfully, Jikookers not wanting tkkrs or tkk (ship) content in their spaces or community should NOT be a controversial statement lol, some of these takes are wild (& I’m talking about takes on other platforms too, this isn't aimed at anyone specifically). If we’re talking specifically about the creative community then of course that’s different, but that’s absolutely not what happened or what people were upset about at all? 😭

No one would have bothered that author for example if her fic wasn’t suddenly exposed to a massive group of people outside of its intended audience and largely outside of the creative community. If you’re actually in these online spaces you would know that the creative community is sort of in its own bubble. There might be some overlap with other ship spaces but most non-content creator shippers are not going to share content about other ships unless they advertise their page as multi-shipping. At that point it’s your own fault if you follow them and you’re bothered by it.

But that’s why it was so bizarre for that huge Jikook focused account to share that fic and why so many people were uncomfortable with it. It’s like… what if someone posted a tkk fic on the Jikook tag, or someone posted a fic without following proper tag etiquette on AO3? There’s a reason why that sort of etiquette exists in the first place (and it’s to protect the content creators too) even if it��s obviously not okay to harass someone over it.

Anyways, that was the main issue and why there was discourse in the first place. And the people trying to act like Jikooker’s do not have very valid reasons for not wanting to see or support content that’s going to be largely consumed and circulated by people who massively harass Jimin are being purposefully obtuse, I’m sorry. Just the fact that one of the first people who interacted and quoted that fic was someone who follows and engages with massive JM antis should tell you why we’d rather not see that or invite the people who consume (& for some, the ppl who create it) into our spaces.

It’s not just a few bad apples when the vast majority of tkk shippers skew massively toxic. Just look at the amount of followers/engagement their outwardly anti accounts have and then explain to me why we should be expected to trust and tolerate them in our spaces? Mind you, Jikook spaces are some of the ONLY spaces where it’s supposed to be entirely safe for Jimin and Jungkook (as a duo, as individuals) so trying to judge us for wanting to keep it that way by not inviting content that literally attracts antis is certainly a choice.

Let’s not pretend like the BTS community is a normal shipping community when it’s actually beyond toxic and very out of control. People have every right to have strong boundaries around the content they want to see and interact with. Anyone can opt out of all the drama and toxicity around shipping/solos/fanwars if they want and I fully and totally respect and understand that, but it doesn’t mean it just stops existing either.

Anyways, Jikooker’s are not obligated to like or tolerate tkkrs, or like or tolerate tkk shipping content, nor are they owed space in our communities, and no one should judge you for that. Some of the takes around that are frankly bizarre imo. The creative community is its own beast and frankly that’s why it’s better for certain things to stay WITHIN that community, which I’ve talked about before. OP was allowed to post whatever they wanted on their blog too ofc, but I think by everything I just explained it should be understood why it was an odd choice.

Again, no one ever deserves to be harassed over any of this, but the judgement and some of the discourse around people who would rather not have tkk content in Jikook spaces has been pretty odd and that's mainly what I wanted to address.

you know what, also going to link this related reading around shipping culture in this fandom

https://www.tumblr.com/starryjkoo/772165572901453824/im-not-against-the-fandom-wanting-to-have-fun-at?source=embed

[thewildwoodpigeon]

Dreamt that they released a new doctor who episode about twojamie???

In the dream the 15th doctor came back to see jamie and get him back on the tardis and was all like "hii jamie remember me? Im sorry about what happened last time we met but lets get together again!" And Jamie somehow immediantly recgonised him as the doctor and regained all his memories by just seeing him. But the main conflict of the episode was that the doctor overshot the time to see Jamie by like 20 years and he had got married while the doctor was gone.

And the cliffhanger was all like "Who will Jamie choose? Will he stay at Scotland with his wife or family, or go travelling again with the Doctor?". And there was so much pointless discourse over the episode with people getting mad that the BBC canonized a gay ship and also people shitting on and makinng hateful fanfics of Jamies wife for getting "In the way of Twojamie" even though she literally did nothing wrong??? Anyway i woke up before seeing the resoloution so lol