#antoinette

[creepa-b0t-inc]

Man I've made SO MANY secret bosses, Jesus Christ

Maybe I'll add a quick rundown of who is where

The Neighbor - Chapter 3 Dreemurr House

Honeur Able - Chapter 4 Police Station

Kass Sheere - Chapter 5 Sans' Store

Xirsk - Chapter 6 Festival

Bellamy the Dinosaur - Chapter 7 Susie's Parents House

Gilmore - Weird Route Chapter 4 Berdly House

Eve - Weird Route Chapter 5 Holiday Mansion

FUN6.exe - Weird Route Chapter 7 Bunker

Sheriff Sprucey/Bosher - Non-Canon Chapter 3 Dreemurr House

Teel Da Eel - Non-Canon Festival

Ash-E - Non-Canon Church

Rock-E - Side Story Ice-E's P"E"zza

Antoinette - Side Story Flower King

Mizpelt - Side Story Cat House

Dummy - Side Story(???) Castle Town

[positively--speculative]

You honestly cannot make me feel bad for Antoinette lol. No shade to the actress at all.

But the thing is, I cannot be convinced that she was not very well aware from the beginning how her affair with Lestat affected Louis and she did not give a single shit. Just because she showed sexual interest in him very briefly does not mean she had any qualms about stealing his husband away.

Also? I know how awful a jealous white woman can be when her competition is Black, and I'm sure that jealousy extended to Claudia too.

[faithandfairies]

Re-visiting Antoinette

So, I've been re-watching the show and it has me coming back to Antoinette. Which, I think I always come back to Antoinette because she is important, just not in the way a lot of people think.

The thing is, Louis and Lestat don't communicate properly so you have to look at their actions to figure out where they are at mentally and emotionally at any given time. And painting a more complete picture of Lestat's actions in relation to Antoinette and her purpose according to Lestat does that.

You see, I think by the time Antoinette enters, Lestat feels like he is losing Louis. Their relationship is going down the drain because they're not communicating properly and on top of that Louis isn't feeding well so he doesn't have energy for the parts of their relationship that do work. Louis' lack of proper feeding though is tied to his feelings, his humanity. And his shame of what he is, for which Lestat partly blames himself because of how he handled Louis' turning and their relationship.

And so Lestat starts trying to re-write history to get Louis back. Fix the mistakes he made in the past that Louis holds against him to get Louis back in the present but also as a way to remind Louis of the good times. And he uses Antoinette to do that.

As such Lestat casts Antoinette in the role of Ernesto. Because that's where everything started to go wrong in their relationship. Louis being disgusted with how and why Lestat kills. In Louis' opinion Lestat should never have killed Ernesto. At the very least not in the way he did.

Just like Ernesto Antoinette is a musician. And just like with Ernesto as she leaves Lestat is looking at her like he wants to drain her but he doesn't at that point even though I believe he wants to.

He then also uses Antoinette to remind Louis of his courting period with him. I think Lestat's intention with Antoinette is for Louis to miss him during that two week period as he lavishes all of his attention on someone other than Louis only to then try to seduce him at the end of it, recreating the first time he and Louis slept together after their two week courting period with Antoinette in the role of Lily. Also using the fact that Louis is hungry to try to get him to feed.

I genuinely think Lestat would have killed Antoinette if his plan had worked here. Drained her with Louis most likely. Ernesto's death, but with different circumstances. No humiliation, no torture, just pleasure and lulling her into a false sense of security so Louis can feed. Trying to listen to the objections Louis had to the way Lestat killed. Because the killing itself is non-negotiable, but the circumstances can be negotiated. Lestat is willing to hunt for Louis, and in whatever way that will make it more likely that Louis will feed human.

Lestat's genuinely trying to find viable alternatives for Louis to feed on. Because Louis isn't opposed to feeding on animals. But that isn't a sufficient diet. So what is the human equivalent of an animal to Louis? Louis is opposed to feeding on black people because he considers them his people. Louis is also gay, attracted to his own sex, so all men might be off the table. So I think Lestat goes, would white women suffice? Would that be impersonal enough? Or do you need it to be more personal? Would a white woman that looks like me make you angry enough to feed if you can direct your anger at her? Since male criminals don't do the trick? Or do you need variety of the sexual sort? Do you need to have sex that then devolves into you draining your victim in the heat of the moment?

And I mean, Lestat hit the nail on the head too, you've got to give him that. He knows Louis very well. Because Louis in Paris feeds on humans when he hallucinates his victims as Lestat and directs his anger at them. And in San Francisco Louis sleeps with his victims then drains them. They need so much therapy by the way.

But then here that doesn't work. Louis leaves to feed on animals instead of joining Lestat and Antoinette. So Lestat's like okay, I've got to go back even further. Fix every mistake I've ever made with Louis. Not kill Lily, not turn Louis two weeks into knowing him and use Antoinette to represent that. And so he continues to cast Antoinette in the role of Lily and adds Louis-stand-in and doesn't kill or turn Antoinette. Instead he continues a relationship with her as a human.

But I think Lestat's also realizing it won't make a difference, even if he has learned from his mistakes. I think his relationship with her devolves into a form of self-flagellation through her then. Because he can't turn back time and not turn Louis after only two weeks of knowing him, ease him into things so that Louis doesn't hate Lestat and himself for what they both are. So that he doesn't want to hurt himself and Lestat for what they both are.

I think Antoinette also ended up becoming a way to bridge the gap between Lestat's vampirism and his humanity to save his relationship with Louis when Louis became hard to reach, because Lestat stopped being able to read Louis' mind to understand him and because they didn't communicate well. And because Lestat kept making missteps that created an increasingly larger chasm between them.

Because that's one of the problems, although Lestat understood where Louis thought he went wrong enough to try to fix it I don't think Lestat fully understood why Louis thought certain decisions Lestat made were wrong, why Louis saw things the way he did. Lestat acts on instinct a lot, having been a vampire for as long as he's been by the time he meets Louis and having embraced it as he has. He just doesn't think about things the same way Louis does or at all.

He left Antoinette human as long as he did because it was beneficial to him, because it meant she could help him understand Louis' human side, to be a confidante and a sounding board, but it also genuinely offered a layer of protection to him and Louis for him to be seen with a woman when he and Louis were suspected to be lovers by the town.

Until of course it was more beneficial to have her as a vampire. And of course her love becomes a stand-in for the love he wishes he got from Louis, that he feels he could have gotten from Louis if he'd handled things differently with him.

The thing is, just like everything else in Lestat's mind his involvement with Antoinette is for Louis. It's just that Lestat being Lestat everything he does or thinks he does for Louis alone he's usually also doing for himself.

[loo-nuh-tik]

Interview with the Daddy Vampire (2022-) 

[sherlockig]

[bethnoir-fic]

What I'd love to see as a running gag for the rest of the series is if Antoinette is ever mentioned around Lestat, he doesn't remember who that is and needs to be reminded.

[postcard-from-the-past]

Aviator Latham on an Antoinette monoplane

French vintage postcard

[rosalie-starfall]

Miranda Richardson as Madame Giry

The Phantom of the Opera - 2004

I re found one of my favorite fanfics which I have been re-reading (unfortunately the fic seems to be unfinished. But that's okay because it's really wait enjoyable.) Anyway I loved it then and continue to love it. Thought I'd share it here since it's basically a prequel for my head canon for Phantom (Madame Giry/Erik (Phantom)) if anyone randomly feels like reading it.

[coppolaposting]

i’ve seen the world, done it all, had my cake now. diamonds, brilliant, in bel air now.

[sugashook]

right before ed was about to eat, unconditional love touched him and he flinched cause he was being put to the test, he was preparing for this, to behave well to fit into stede's world, but he failed the test.Stede later basically says you didn't fail any test! i love 100% of you

the way they laugh at him is because he's just a scared child that wants to be loved and fit in, throwing a tantrum, and stede sees that. and both of them have to change from within and create a new base for their love that's why it's so hard they're both traumatized & struggling

[creepa-b0t-inc]

CREEPARUNE MASTERPOST

i think that's what you call these, right?

will be updated if i add any more worlds, though i do have a lot already

[im-s0rry]

Secret Boss Fanart!!!

Surprise, idiots.

Antoinette by: @creepa-b0t-inc

Sonatta by: @mercair

Solis by: @marineflamez

[princehoneytea]

(ocs) haze and pt 1 of some lore im slowly dropping in the rp im using him in. hes just a silly (menace to society)

[sherlockig]

[allegoryofthebeast]

Tbh one thing I liked about Antoinette was that she was an ally in a way. I like all sorts… yeah queen I guess you do.

[postcard-from-the-past]

Aviator Latham on an Antoinette monoplane in Lyon, France

French vintage postcard, mailed in 1910