#anti tony Stark

[legalandnotease]

Tony Stans: "Tony is the optimist who wants to save everybody!"

Me: "You must have a short memory. It was Steve and Sam Wilson who saved Bucky Barnes. Tony wanted him dead"

He's alive and thriving in spite of Tony, not because of him.

[spidersinsalem]

Lol I was actually in a relationship like that before. I was really young though so I didn't understand it at the time. I guess that's why I'm so vocal on my CW tony hate and why I don't like certain tony fans.

I'm tired of people saying Steve should've chosen Tony over Bucky or people try and say that Tony and Steve's relationship was better than Steve and Bucky's.

Bucky and Steve had each other since they were kids. They've always had each other's backs. They defended each other, lived together, and fought together. They were everything to each other. Bucky always helped Steve.

Tony and Steve's relationship reminds me of coworkers who don't really like each other. Because that's what they are. Coworkers, friends at best. Tony would actively go out of his way to make fun of Steve in some cases. They were genuinely annoyed with each other's existence from what I've seen.

Tony would never have the relationship with Steve that Steve had with Bucky. Tony, or anybody in general (minus Sam) could ever understand the relationship those two had.

So of course Steve would choose the man who was with him through everything. In his own words, "Even when I had nothing I had Bucky." It was Steve's turn to help bucky. And he was going to help bucky no matter what.

[imposterogers]

what’s funny to me is that so many ppl at tony’s funeral hated him. like they’re canonically enemies. tony has very personally made a lot of their lives worse just by existing (raft prison, war profiteering, sokovia accords, blasted a few of them, shot another one, made ultron, was an asshole). I’m assuming for most of them there it was more of a relieved “thank god he’s dead I’m just making sure he doesn’t get out of that casket” rather than a “I’m actually sad rn” which is v fitting

[eunuchorn]

The difference between Steve and Tony in CA:CW will always boil down to this:

Tony stands up to authority because he was born into immense wealth and privilege and has never had to answer to anyone. He defies authority because he knows he'll never have to face actual consequences for doing so.

Steve stands up to authority because he was born into poverty and grew up a poor, disabled Irish-American during the Great Depression. He defies authority because he knows what it's like to be dismissed, undervalued, and disenfranchised and never wants anyone to face that.

Tony pushed for the accords because he knew he could just break them and nothing would happen to him (which is exactly how it went down).

Steve refused to sign the accords because he would never sign away his human rights and the rights of other people to an authority he knew would abuse them (which, again, is exactly what happened).

So in a way, they were both right about the accords. Tony was just also infinitely more wrong.

[c--3phoe]

Just rewatched Captain America: Civil War and its so fucking obvious how wrong Tony is at all points throughout the film. So here is a list of shit he does in the movie that pisses me off extra (not im chronological order):

- Signs the Sokovia accords and then hunts down his buddies for breaking, AND THEN HE BREAKS THEM HIMSELF. Also he forces everyone to sign the accords due to the guilt he feels.

- Blackmails a 15 year old into fighting two super-soldiers and a girl who controls matter (not exactly sure what her powers are but you know that im talking about Wanda).

- Locks Wanda up in the compound against her will.

- Asks Vision to shoot down Sam, Vision misses and hits Rhodey. Then he gets mad at Sam and shoots him in the chest when he comes down to check on him. Like that shot was meant for Sam and it would probably have hurt him so much more, seeing as he is not in full armor, and I strongly doubt that Tony would have stopped and checked on Sam.

- And then he attacks Bucky like crazy after finding out he killed his parents, which would be completely valid and understandable except for the fact that Bucky did it under mind control. Which Steve tells him.

- And then theres the end fight, where he is doing anything but pulling his punches, maybe hes pulling them a little for Steve (I wouldn’t be too sure of that). He shoots his blaster thingies at their bare skin.

Look i used to be a Tony fan, and then i grew up. I know that not everyone agrees, but these are the problems that i find with him in this movie.

[legalandnotease]

Saying "focus on his character development instead of his mistakes" is a cop out. It's like trying to plead in court that because you did some good stuff you should get away with all the bad shit you did. It doesn't work that way.

Also Tony's relationship with Peter never stopped being manipulative and exploitative. I'm only glad the kid realised he didn't need Stark and forged his own path.

*walks up to mic* Tony Stark should have never brought 15 year old Peter Parker into a battle field, Peter was a child and was in no place to be able to consent to help Tony in this, he couldn’t even go on a field trip without guardian consent. And Tony should be accurately judged and held accountable for this. *walks away from mic*

[vee-nyx]

to celebrate 8 years since civil war release, let’s review all the ways tony stark was an absolute loser and actually the reason thanos won in infinity war:

created an omnicidal A.I. that the rest of the team warned him against creating

decided that the entire team needed to become government puppets because he felt guilty for creating said A.I. that, once again, NO ONE SUPPORTED HIM IN MAKING

(also the reason bucky was forced back into the fight bc tony caused sokovia and thus caused zemo’s need for revenge but i digress on that pt)

when members of the team who can’t disconnect from their abilities raised concerns about how the accords dehumanized them, he had them arrested or locked them in his tower

bribed (yes, bribed) a child into fighting on his side because he knew he was outmatched

instructed vision to shoot sam out of the sky and then shot sam point-blank when he avoided the blast that would’ve left him severely injured AND LANDED TO HELP THE PERSON IT HIT

wanda on the raft. this is its own point. he let her be restrained and collared like a fucking DOG as if he hadn’t already done enough damage in her life (killing her parents & brother)

proceeded to break the accords THAT HE HELPED WRITE to chase cap across the globe because he felt left out of the action

blamed a brainwashed pow for BEING FORCED to kill the starks AGAINST HIS WILL and proceeded to BLOW HIS ARM OFF and ATTEMPT TO KILL HIM DESPITE KNOWING THAT NONE OF IT WAS HIS CHOICE

mocked natasha’s trauma because she dared to disagree with his methods (he is, in fact, incapable of letting go of his ego for one goddamn second)

even after receiving an apology, refused to contact cap for three years despite KNOWING about the threat of thanos

in conclusion,

[i-love-tony-stark]

Y’know the truth is I don’t think Tony Stark would bother me nearly as much if his fans were just even slightly normal about him. Like antis get this reputation for being crazy obsessive hateful people, but in my experience they’re just frustrated fans that want a place to vent about an otherwise very popular character. It’s the stans who will cross tag and send death threats to blogs that dare disparage their precious baby. It’s the stans that clamor for unfair amounts of screen time and encourage the co-opting of other characters to surround Tony Stark. I don’t see antis writing a thousand 10k fanfics about Team Iron Man getting tortured and groveling to Steve. Idk maybe this is an unfortunately common fandom behavior?? It just seems so unnecessary to me

[tonystarkisadouchebag]

you’re doing mental gymnastics to try to justify loving that billionaire capitalist bum bruce wayne while hating tony stark oh im laughing

It's not mental gymnastics. I don't hate Tony Stark because he's rich, I hate him because he's a rude, weapons manufacturer who makes bad decisions and forces other people to follow his whims. Batman is rich, but he also is shown to have an active philanthropic side and he simply isn't annoying. It's that simple.

[steve-rogers-my-beloved]

Even after everything that happened between them, this is how Steve spoke about Tony:

And this is how Tony spoke about (and to) Steve:

After Ultron, after the Accords, after the fight in Siberia, after years of radio silence, Steve still called Tony earth's best defender. He still respected Tony and tried to do right by him.

And what did Tony do? Got in Steve's face and blamed him for everything. And Steve just stood there and took it.

I will never get over it. Steve deserved so much better.

[logansgaar]

I'm never going to stop thinking about how May's murderer, who killed her in front of Peter only a few hours ago, was goading Peter into killing him, actively encouraging his violence, the Green Goblin wanted to revel in corrupting Spider-Man, and all it took was a Look for Peter to come back to himself and decide to save Norman instead, no words, no begging, no pleading, no repeated attempts to reason with him or escape from him, just one blocked swing and a Look.

And there's still people who think he'd want to "give team cap a piece of his mind", or would've still been on Tony's team had he not been kidnapped, blackmailed and lied to about why he was there.

Peter could not be more Steve coded if he tried and we had five movies trying to shove "Peter is Tony's mini-me" down our throats just because Peter's a genius. One trait shared with Tony does not make him like him, he's Iron Man's antithesis by the end of NWH. I'll be so mad if Spider-Man 4 is another of the same, or even worse acts like May's loss isn't as big of a deal to Peter as that man.

[legalandnotease]

And for anyone reading this Natasha was treated like a plot beat and not as important as Tony's death. That's why people are mad, because regardless of Russos claims the thought about doing, regardless of whatever credit Natasha gets in later stories, in this story despite throwing herself off a cliff to save the universe she gets nothing and Tony gets everyone, literally everyone coming to his funeral.

Literally this. You said in a paragraph.

Not only was what happened to Natasha classic fridging, her sacrifice is also treated as unimportant, when it was vitally important.

Don't even get me started on the "everyone going to Tony's funeral" thing- because that included people who Tony hated and had not been reconciled with. Made no attempt to reconcile with, and was not going to reconcile with had he lived.

Yet they were acting as though they loved him all along. Or forced to act like that, and it came over as really cringey and forced to see the likes of Hank Pym looking sad. When we know for a fact he couldn't stand Starks.

Also it was *HIS* discovery and invention that was instrumental in reversing the Snap. They should have been honoring Pym, because he created the Quantam Tunnel and Pym Particles, as well as Natasha.

You know what annoys me most about Endgame (well a lot of things do), but most of all?

The way that it completely ignores what Natasha did. How crucial her actions were to the ultimate victory. Instead they tried to make Endgame into Iron Man 4, and pretend Tony saved everyone singlehandedly. Yet the truth is the plan to reverse the snap would *never have worked* without Natasha's sacrifice.

They had to have all of the stones to snap everybody back- and they also had to have all the Stones to snap Thanos away. Even one missing, and not only would the Snapped have stayed dead, but Thanos would have won a second time.

In truth, it was Natasha who saved the universe and Natasha who ensured ultimate victory against Thanos. Anybody could have snapped Thanos away (it didn't have to be Tony), but few could have paid the ultimate price for the Soul Stone.

In fact: let's talk about the Soul Stone. It was the most difficult and costly of all the Stones to obtain. I read that some theories that the souls of the Snapped were contained in the Stone, and so it was the key to bringing everyne back.

Meaning that Stone was also the one which allowed Thanos and his army to be Snapped away.

So again, it all comes back to Natasha, and her choice on Vormir.

Yet she didn't even get a funeral. The movie just completely ignores her to give Tony all the credit and all the fuss when he actually did very little.

And had to be emotionally blackmailed and tricked to do even that. Natasha was willing every step of the way.

[spidersinsalem]

Team Iron man fans saying that Steve was wrong for not telling Tony that Bucky killed his parents but honestly, seeing how Tony handled finding out about it, I wouldn't have told him either. Tony was already willing to throw bucky into prison or an institution IMAGINE what he would've done if he found out bucky killed his parents while they still had him in custody. Steve was doing what he always has done, protect Bucky.

People openly supporting the revenge killing of a man who had NO control over his life for the past 70 years and wasn't even conscious for the majority of it because of something he did WHILE BRAINWASHED is insane to me.

(also please don't attack me I'm just stating my opinion TwT)

[hello-idk-what]

I love how Tony Stark talks about the team needing to take legal repercussions for their actions in civil war. Where was this ideology when he got away scot free for all his crimes. Like hypocritical much.

Tony stark: we need to be put in check.

Also Tony Stark: *receives no consequences for trying to kill a man for actions crimes committed under mind control*

Tony Stark: *gets away with breaking the accords he helped criminalise his teammates over*

Tony Stark: *gets away scot free from bringing an untrained teenager to a fight against the best assassin in the world, a master archer, a super soldier, a extremely powerful magical woman, a guy with a flying suit containing bombs, and a guy who can change into a giant or a tiny man you can’t see in the chaos of a fight*

Tony Stark: *gets no consequences for creating an ai bot that that destroyed a country and nearly the entire planet (yes this was of his own volition it was stated that the idea of ultron was around far before he met Wanda)*

Tony Stark: *Has no investigation into his company which was selling weapons to the enemy for years which he should have known as making sure the weapons are being sold to the right people is his job as the CEO of a weapons manufacturing company*

Tony Stark: *makes a program comparable to project insight (Edith) and gives it to a teenager*

Sorry I just needed to rant. I am a Tony Stark anti and I will not apologise for it. I will expect your aggressive comments when I wake up tomorrow.

[imposterogers]

when u sit back n think about it……. marvel’s main billionaire was a war profiteer who turned himself into a weapon and sought fame & glory. dc’s main billionaire poured money into every nook and cranny of his city (arts, education, free health care, scientific research, soup kitchens, criminal rehabilitation, transportation) but when the system proved to be too corrupt, hid in the shadows to protect those who the cops, politicians, and laws would not. (also. no ethical billionaires blah blah blah. but there’s a stark contrast between the two in these FICTIONAL worlds)

[eunuchorn]

Honestly, I can't believe I still see so many Tony supporters who think that Tony was entirely justified in trying to murder Bucky at the end of Civil War. That it was actually Steve's fault that Tony did that, as if Tony isn't a grown man with personal agency (unlike Bucky) who made the conscious choice to act on his anger and straight up attempt murder.

Steve is responsible for his choice to keep the truth from Tony - which he acknowledged was wrong and apologized for because he's a good person - but he is not responsible for Tony's choices. He hurt Tony, yes, but that doesn't absolve Tony of responsibility for the way he acted on that hurt.

If it's "human" and "understandable" that Tony got so angry that he tried to kill Bucky, why isn't it human and understandable that Steve would keep that secret from Tony is a misguided attempt to spare him more pain? Why should only Steve be blamed for what happened?

I'll never understand the point of view that attempted murder is justifiable but secret keeping isn't. Steve and Tony both made mistakes, but Bucky was always innocent.