#anti tony Stark

[cinderthehuman]

Was just reading a very good fic and in the notes they wrote ' changed Peter's age to be 16 because I don't want to think about the implications of Tony recruiting a 15 year old to fight super soldiers' and I'm like, no, let's talk about it, actually.

Because it is horrific, isn't it? 16 isn't much better in my opinion but yknow, at least it's a year older than 15.

I'll be the first to say that I'm really, truly not the biggest Tony Stark fan, whether that be from comics or the MCU but I don't hate him and he does have his good moments for me. His dynamic with Peter is not one of them, I fear.

[imposterogers]

what’s funny to me is that so many ppl at tony’s funeral hated him. like they’re canonically enemies. tony has very personally made a lot of their lives worse just by existing (raft prison, war profiteering, sokovia accords, blasted a few of them, shot another one, made ultron, was an asshole). I’m assuming for most of them there it was more of a relieved “thank god he’s dead I’m just making sure he doesn’t get out of that casket” rather than a “I’m actually sad rn” which is v fitting

[eunuchorn]

The difference between Steve and Tony in CA:CW will always boil down to this:

Tony stands up to authority because he was born into immense wealth and privilege and has never had to answer to anyone. He defies authority because he knows he'll never have to face actual consequences for doing so.

Steve stands up to authority because he was born into poverty and grew up a poor, disabled Irish-American during the Great Depression. He defies authority because he knows what it's like to be dismissed, undervalued, and disenfranchised and never wants anyone to face that.

Tony pushed for the accords because he knew he could just break them and nothing would happen to him (which is exactly how it went down).

Steve refused to sign the accords because he would never sign away his human rights and the rights of other people to an authority he knew would abuse them (which, again, is exactly what happened).

So in a way, they were both right about the accords. Tony was just also infinitely more wrong.

[vee-nyx]

to celebrate 8 years since civil war release, let’s review all the ways tony stark was an absolute loser and actually the reason thanos won in infinity war:

created an omnicidal A.I. that the rest of the team warned him against creating

decided that the entire team needed to become government puppets because he felt guilty for creating said A.I. that, once again, NO ONE SUPPORTED HIM IN MAKING

(also the reason bucky was forced back into the fight bc tony caused sokovia and thus caused zemo’s need for revenge but i digress on that pt)

when members of the team who can’t disconnect from their abilities raised concerns about how the accords dehumanized them, he had them arrested or locked them in his tower

bribed (yes, bribed) a child into fighting on his side because he knew he was outmatched

instructed vision to shoot sam out of the sky and then shot sam point-blank when he avoided the blast that would’ve left him severely injured AND LANDED TO HELP THE PERSON IT HIT

wanda on the raft. this is its own point. he let her be restrained and collared like a fucking DOG as if he hadn’t already done enough damage in her life (killing her parents & brother)

proceeded to break the accords THAT HE HELPED WRITE to chase cap across the globe because he felt left out of the action

blamed a brainwashed pow for BEING FORCED to kill the starks AGAINST HIS WILL and proceeded to BLOW HIS ARM OFF and ATTEMPT TO KILL HIM DESPITE KNOWING THAT NONE OF IT WAS HIS CHOICE

mocked natasha’s trauma because she dared to disagree with his methods (he is, in fact, incapable of letting go of his ego for one goddamn second)

even after receiving an apology, refused to contact cap for three years despite KNOWING about the threat of thanos

in conclusion,

[i-love-tony-stark]

Y’know the truth is I don’t think Tony Stark would bother me nearly as much if his fans were just even slightly normal about him. Like antis get this reputation for being crazy obsessive hateful people, but in my experience they’re just frustrated fans that want a place to vent about an otherwise very popular character. It’s the stans who will cross tag and send death threats to blogs that dare disparage their precious baby. It’s the stans that clamor for unfair amounts of screen time and encourage the co-opting of other characters to surround Tony Stark. I don’t see antis writing a thousand 10k fanfics about Team Iron Man getting tortured and groveling to Steve. Idk maybe this is an unfortunately common fandom behavior?? It just seems so unnecessary to me

[logansgaar]

ever think about how aside from Rhodey, not even Tony's own team were really on his side because it was that garbage

Natasha, T'Challa and Vision either defected or half assed it because his lady love takes rightful priority, and T'Challa was only there on "team Iron Man" as an enemy of my enemy thing

And Peter didn't even know what was going on and was no doubt kept in the dark because if he had known he'd have been team Cap in an instant

Like...the whole set up and following films establish that Tony was not on the right side of history there his own team were like nah

[steve-rogers-my-beloved]

Even after everything that happened between them, this is how Steve spoke about Tony:

And this is how Tony spoke about (and to) Steve:

After Ultron, after the Accords, after the fight in Siberia, after years of radio silence, Steve still called Tony earth's best defender. He still respected Tony and tried to do right by him.

And what did Tony do? Got in Steve's face and blamed him for everything. And Steve just stood there and took it.

I will never get over it. Steve deserved so much better.

[jewishbarbies]

[your-very-rude-neighborhood-ace]

honestly steve deserved to be a little meaner in civil war

“steve you have to sign the accords”

“oh right i totally should sign my rights away to a government who i exposed to have been infiltrated by nazis for DECADES. i’m sure nothing bad will happen if i do that”

“i should let the government dictate my life when all i’ve ever done is save the world by going AGAINST the government. sounds like a great plan”

like t0ny stans love to say he was being horribly selfish and mean in civil war, which he… wasn’t, but i think he should have been

[hello-idk-what]

I love how Tony Stark talks about the team needing to take legal repercussions for their actions in civil war. Where was this ideology when he got away scot free for all his crimes. Like hypocritical much.

Tony stark: we need to be put in check.

Also Tony Stark: *receives no consequences for trying to kill a man for actions crimes committed under mind control*

Tony Stark: *gets away with breaking the accords he helped criminalise his teammates over*

Tony Stark: *gets away scot free from bringing an untrained teenager to a fight against the best assassin in the world, a master archer, a super soldier, a extremely powerful magical woman, a guy with a flying suit containing bombs, and a guy who can change into a giant or a tiny man you can’t see in the chaos of a fight*

Tony Stark: *gets no consequences for creating an ai bot that that destroyed a country and nearly the entire planet (yes this was of his own volition it was stated that the idea of ultron was around far before he met Wanda)*

Tony Stark: *Has no investigation into his company which was selling weapons to the enemy for years which he should have known as making sure the weapons are being sold to the right people is his job as the CEO of a weapons manufacturing company*

Tony Stark: *makes a program comparable to project insight (Edith) and gives it to a teenager*

Sorry I just needed to rant. I am a Tony Stark anti and I will not apologise for it. I will expect your aggressive comments when I wake up tomorrow.

[uglynavel]

I'm just gonna say it. I hate Irondad so much. The fact that the mcu erased Peter's true hero and father figure, UNCLE BEN from the movies will always piss me off thr highest levels of pisstivity!!

There's so many people Peter has hero worship for before Tonky Stank. Cap, Daredevil, Johnny Storm, Bruce Banner and Reed Richards!!

Not making Steve or Bruce his father/mentor figure was so dumb. Steve and Peter have similar backstory and the most in common when it comes to being a hero and morals. Especially mcu Peter and Steve

I'm sorry but I'll never love the irondad/ ironboy Jr dynamic and I'm glad Tony is dead and Peter can finally be Peter Parker/Spiderman and not be tied to Tony all the time

[tonystarkisadouchebag]

Saw Deadpool and Wolverine and rolled my eyes as the camera focused on the Iron Man helmet and the ark reactor for a good minute. There's no respite from this man! He's just going to haunt every Marvel movie even when the characters have nothing to do with him.

[imposterogers]

when u sit back n think about it……. marvel’s main billionaire was a war profiteer who turned himself into a weapon and sought fame & glory. dc’s main billionaire poured money into every nook and cranny of his city (arts, education, free health care, scientific research, soup kitchens, criminal rehabilitation, transportation) but when the system proved to be too corrupt, hid in the shadows to protect those who the cops, politicians, and laws would not. (also. no ethical billionaires blah blah blah. but there’s a stark contrast between the two in these FICTIONAL worlds)

[eunuchorn]

Honestly, I can't believe I still see so many Tony supporters who think that Tony was entirely justified in trying to murder Bucky at the end of Civil War. That it was actually Steve's fault that Tony did that, as if Tony isn't a grown man with personal agency (unlike Bucky) who made the conscious choice to act on his anger and straight up attempt murder.

Steve is responsible for his choice to keep the truth from Tony - which he acknowledged was wrong and apologized for because he's a good person - but he is not responsible for Tony's choices. He hurt Tony, yes, but that doesn't absolve Tony of responsibility for the way he acted on that hurt.

If it's "human" and "understandable" that Tony got so angry that he tried to kill Bucky, why isn't it human and understandable that Steve would keep that secret from Tony is a misguided attempt to spare him more pain? Why should only Steve be blamed for what happened?

I'll never understand the point of view that attempted murder is justifiable but secret keeping isn't. Steve and Tony both made mistakes, but Bucky was always innocent.

[felucians]

it is my biggest complaint that the mcu didn't just get Cap to call Magneto during the events of Civil War because Wanda is literally his daughter and Magneto vs Iron Man is a fight I personally deserved to witness

[thewhinesofmoria]

"You can't be mad at T0ny for Ultr0n! He has anxiety!"

Pretty sure authoritarianism is still wrong even if you have a doctor's note.