#anti tony Stark

[marisol-peony]

Me when people say that Tony was justified in trying to kill Bucky after he found out HYDRA sent him to kill his parents.

[spidersinsalem]

Team Iron man fans saying that Steve was wrong for not telling Tony that Bucky killed his parents but honestly, seeing how Tony handled finding out about it, I wouldn't have told him either. Tony was already willing to throw bucky into prison or an institution IMAGINE what he would've done if he found out bucky killed his parents while they still had him in custody. Steve was doing what he always has done, protect Bucky.

People openly supporting the revenge killing of a man who had NO control over his life for the past 70 years and wasn't even conscious for the majority of it because of something he did WHILE BRAINWASHED is insane to me.

(also please don't attack me I'm just stating my opinion TwT)

[thewhinesofmoria]

"You can't be mad at T0ny for Ultr0n! He has anxiety!"

Pretty sure authoritarianism is still wrong even if you have a doctor's note.

[imposterogers]

what’s funny to me is that so many ppl at tony’s funeral hated him. like they’re canonically enemies. tony has very personally made a lot of their lives worse just by existing (raft prison, war profiteering, sokovia accords, blasted a few of them, shot another one, made ultron, was an asshole). I’m assuming for most of them there it was more of a relieved “thank god he’s dead I’m just making sure he doesn’t get out of that casket” rather than a “I’m actually sad rn” which is v fitting

[legalandnotease]

So let's get this straight: Bucky and his team probably extorting Val and using her money for good is bad. (Although we don't actually know how far Val is involved. She could be dead she could be out of the picture. There could be other sponsors.)

However, Sam recieving government funding and formerly being a member of a team whose operations were bankrolled almost entirely by a billionaire former weapons manufacturer is fine and dandy.

You can make all the excuses for Stark that you want, the fact still stands that his father made his money manufacturing and selling weapons to genocidal regimes and working with Nazis at camp Lehigh. Money Tony inherited.

Sam was literally in a team run with blood money using tech paid for with the same blood money.

Its called selective outrage.

[mygirlfriendismadatme]

I don’t really like Tony and I think it’s really funny that my leftist dislike for billionaires has carried over into the mcu

[c--3phoe]

Just rewatched Captain America: Civil War and its so fucking obvious how wrong Tony is at all points throughout the film. So here is a list of shit he does in the movie that pisses me off extra (not im chronological order):

- Signs the Sokovia accords and then hunts down his buddies for breaking, AND THEN HE BREAKS THEM HIMSELF. Also he forces everyone to sign the accords due to the guilt he feels.

- Blackmails a 15 year old into fighting two super-soldiers and a girl who controls matter (not exactly sure what her powers are but you know that im talking about Wanda).

- Locks Wanda up in the compound against her will.

- Asks Vision to shoot down Sam, Vision misses and hits Rhodey. Then he gets mad at Sam and shoots him in the chest when he comes down to check on him. Like that shot was meant for Sam and it would probably have hurt him so much more, seeing as he is not in full armor, and I strongly doubt that Tony would have stopped and checked on Sam.

- And then he attacks Bucky like crazy after finding out he killed his parents, which would be completely valid and understandable except for the fact that Bucky did it under mind control. Which Steve tells him.

- And then theres the end fight, where he is doing anything but pulling his punches, maybe hes pulling them a little for Steve (I wouldn’t be too sure of that). He shoots his blaster thingies at their bare skin.

Look i used to be a Tony fan, and then i grew up. I know that not everyone agrees, but these are the problems that i find with him in this movie.

[wandereroftheocean]

*walks up to mic* Tony Stark should have never brought 15 year old Peter Parker into a battle field, Peter was a child and was in no place to be able to consent to help Tony in this, he couldn’t even go on a field trip without guardian consent. And Tony should be accurately judged and held accountable for this. *walks away from mic*

[vee-nyx]

BACK 🤺 BACK I SAY 🤺 NO BILLIONAIRE BOOTLICKERS ON THIS BLOG 🤺

[uglynavel]

I'm just gonna say it. I hate Irondad so much. The fact that the mcu erased Peter's true hero and father figure, UNCLE BEN from the movies will always piss me off thr highest levels of pisstivity!!

There's so many people Peter has hero worship for before Tonky Stank. Cap, Daredevil, Johnny Storm, Bruce Banner and Reed Richards!!

Not making Steve or Bruce his father/mentor figure was so dumb. Steve and Peter have similar backstory and the most in common when it comes to being a hero and morals. Especially mcu Peter and Steve

I'm sorry but I'll never love the irondad/ ironboy Jr dynamic and I'm glad Tony is dead and Peter can finally be Peter Parker/Spiderman and not be tied to Tony all the time

[luna-rainbow]

Did you see that when Bucky is coming out of his void room there are like 2 frames that shows what was on the other side? It looks to be the Civil War activation scene, the one in 1991 before he goes and kills the Starks.

How do you think that would have gone as part of his flashbacks? It would make it seem like he is still not over the fact that he killed the Starks or the consequences that brought.

Huh, I think I might have missed it.

If anything, I think Bucky's regret is allowing the other Winter Soldiers to be produced and forming an elite strike team that probably killed a lot of people.

Might he have some regret about killing the Starks? Hmm. Maybe. I think MCU writers tend to overestimate the positive impact the Starks (including Tony) have on everyone else's lives. I've done a long meta elsewhere on Howard's connection to Shieldra and the strange fact he recognised Bucky on sight despite not seeing his face at that age for over 40 years. There's no canon suggesting Howard had any sort of positive interaction with Bucky before that event, so...yeah. I'm not sure Bucky would be feeling more guilty about killing the Starks than any of his other victims (Yori's son, in particular, because he was actually not the target).

And sure, maybe he'd feel a bit sorry for the fact that Tony had a 20-year delay in meltdown over his parents' deaths. I never saw MCU Steve and Tony as buddies so I don't see why Bucky should feel sorry that they -- in modern lingo -- went No Contact. If Tony didn't even bother to look at all the Hydra leak files himself before the events of Civil War, it doesn't sound like he was speaking much to Steve in the first place. Bucky also isn't responsible for the breaking up of the Avengers so I can't see why he'd feel guilty about that. Tony did all that himself when he signed the Accords and got half the team arrested.

[spidersinsalem]

I'm tired of people saying Steve should've chosen Tony over Bucky or people try and say that Tony and Steve's relationship was better than Steve and Bucky's.

Bucky and Steve had each other since they were kids. They've always had each other's backs. They defended each other, lived together, and fought together. They were everything to each other. Bucky always helped Steve.

Tony and Steve's relationship reminds me of coworkers who don't really like each other. Because that's what they are. Coworkers, friends at best. Tony would actively go out of his way to make fun of Steve in some cases. They were genuinely annoyed with each other's existence from what I've seen.

Tony would never have the relationship with Steve that Steve had with Bucky. Tony, or anybody in general (minus Sam) could ever understand the relationship those two had.

So of course Steve would choose the man who was with him through everything. In his own words, "Even when I had nothing I had Bucky." It was Steve's turn to help bucky. And he was going to help bucky no matter what.

[emdashbitch]

ever think about how aside from Rhodey, not even Tony's own team were really on his side because it was that garbage

Natasha, T'Challa and Vision either defected or half assed it because his lady love takes rightful priority, and T'Challa was only there on "team Iron Man" as an enemy of my enemy thing

And Peter didn't even know what was going on and was no doubt kept in the dark because if he had known he'd have been team Cap in an instant

Like...the whole set up and following films establish that Tony was not on the right side of history there his own team were like nah

[imposterogers]

when u sit back n think about it……. marvel’s main billionaire was a war profiteer who turned himself into a weapon and sought fame & glory. dc’s main billionaire poured money into every nook and cranny of his city (arts, education, free health care, scientific research, soup kitchens, criminal rehabilitation, transportation) but when the system proved to be too corrupt, hid in the shadows to protect those who the cops, politicians, and laws would not. (also. no ethical billionaires blah blah blah. but there’s a stark contrast between the two in these FICTIONAL worlds)

[legalandnotease]

You know what annoys me most about Endgame (well a lot of things do), but most of all?

The way that it completely ignores what Natasha did. How crucial her actions were to the ultimate victory. Instead they tried to make Endgame into Iron Man 4, and pretend Tony saved everyone singlehandedly. Yet the truth is the plan to reverse the snap would *never have worked* without Natasha's sacrifice.

They had to have all of the stones to snap everybody back- and they also had to have all the Stones to snap Thanos away. Even one missing, and not only would the Snapped have stayed dead, but Thanos would have won a second time.

In truth, it was Natasha who saved the universe and Natasha who ensured ultimate victory against Thanos. Anybody could have snapped Thanos away (it didn't have to be Tony), but few could have paid the ultimate price for the Soul Stone.

In fact: let's talk about the Soul Stone. It was the most difficult and costly of all the Stones to obtain. I read that some theories that the souls of the Snapped were contained in the Stone, and so it was the key to bringing everyne back.

Meaning that Stone was also the one which allowed Thanos and his army to be Snapped away.

So again, it all comes back to Natasha, and her choice on Vormir.

Yet she didn't even get a funeral. The movie just completely ignores her to give Tony all the credit and all the fuss when he actually did very little.

And had to be emotionally blackmailed and tricked to do even that. Natasha was willing every step of the way.

[i-love-tony-stark]

Y’know the truth is I don’t think Tony Stark would bother me nearly as much if his fans were just even slightly normal about him. Like antis get this reputation for being crazy obsessive hateful people, but in my experience they’re just frustrated fans that want a place to vent about an otherwise very popular character. It’s the stans who will cross tag and send death threats to blogs that dare disparage their precious baby. It’s the stans that clamor for unfair amounts of screen time and encourage the co-opting of other characters to surround Tony Stark. I don’t see antis writing a thousand 10k fanfics about Team Iron Man getting tortured and groveling to Steve. Idk maybe this is an unfortunately common fandom behavior?? It just seems so unnecessary to me