#anti stiles fans

[vicontheinternet]

Yes the teen wolf movie is trash id be more surprised if it wasn’t but the doesn’t give dob/stiles/sterek stan’s the audacity to be this annoying. The way they have a hate boner for Scott for not being the “fan favorite” and thinking that’s why Scott fans are mad (my guy scott is the main character so ofc ppl are going to be thinking of him as a main) or just not liking tp (which dislike an actor all you want just don’t let it blend to the character) or just liking stiles because he has the personality of “sassy” wonder bread in the likes of tony stark

[rowinablx]

Reminder that Allison was manipulated by Gerard and her grief twisted by him while she was still mourning her mother.

She literally turned on her the second she found out he was using her as a pawn in his plan.

She wasn't evil in season two, she was as much of a victim as Derek, Scott and Stiles when it came to Gerard

[philtatosbuck]

daniel sharman and tposey's recent video really just reminded me that for every "the hale pack would've done so and so for stiles unlike his awful best friend" people claim, not a single member of that pack liked or trusted stiles more than scott after they actually got to know them, nor would they actually hate him on stiles' behalf (not that stiles hates him either. literally at all). and i'm including derek and isaac (who both defected to scott's pack btw), erica, boyd, jackson and cora

[verumsolemlunam]

not trying to be mean here, but, every single time i see an edit of stiles using the 'true evil only comes from corrupting something truly good' quote, i have to laugh. i'm sorry! i'm so sorry. but! it's like. stiles isn't truly good. like. even if you only watch before the nogistune, he's at best really mean.

i mean. can you see mason mocking liam's dreams? can you see mason, if liam kissed brett (considering mason has a crush on him s4) the day before the full moon, then proceeding to chain liam to a radiator and scratch liam's name into a dog bowl as punishment?

can you see mason, in the event his dad gets barely injured in a situation liam had no control over, then proceeding to tie him up and pelt him with lacrosse balls? and then key a seniors car, causing liam to get beaten up? can you reallly see him doing that?

not even to get into everything else stiles does ('are you still milking that?' in regards to isaac's. abuse. from his dad. that stopped pretty recently; or him stalking lydia (he knew her measurements. they'd never even spoke before. it's weird); etc).

like. stiles is a decent-ish guy. if i were him, i would've ran for the hills by the second episode. he does stick by scott. so. y'know. decent. but not 'truly good'.

[booker-le-livre]

lmfao sis literally EVERYONE is mocking Posey for being desperate and unemployed and still begging for more Teen Wolf movies because he wants to keep playing geriatric wolf lol. And everyone is rightfully mocking/shitting on Posey and Jeff for their shitty excuse of a Teen Wolf revival and for treating Arden like garbage. The only relevant things about the TW Movie are Derek and Eli Hale. No one gives a shit about Scott, Posey or Jeff and you can die mad about it 🙃

Lmao, sis, who hurt you?😭 Imagine being so fired up because someone doesn’t like Meningitis Stilinski that you’re actually dragging Posey for rightfully being the MC of the franchise revolving around his character? Literally the only valid thing you said was that they did Arden dirty. Anyway, I give the movie 10/10 solely for being DOB/Meningitis-free💅🏽

[kennyomegasweave]

i adore your takes on stalia and i agree with all of them. stiles was completely and utterly in love with malia. their bond was just too strong to ignore and downplay as hard as so many in the fandom do. malia would love stiles for the smallest of things, appreciate and adore him every time they’re together, something stiles wasn’t used to and was always surprised knowing he’s someone’s priority, to have someone that he knows loves him so much and is so dearly loyal to him the way he was to her. I can talk about each and every one of their scenes for hours because one line has so much deeper meaning in it always when you look through its context. stiles would get mistreated and judged, he had to be the coolest guy to even get lydia’s attention. when stiles approached her wanting to get to know each other better she wasn’t even listening and rudely said “is it worth repeating?” meanwhile malia would go out of her way to notice what’s wrong with him after the donovan incident and he would just not say anything because he was so afraid of judgment. so afraid that he would lose the ones he love when malia had made it clear she would never judge him ever since they first properly met at eichen house. “i won’t judge, promise.” to malia saying “it didn’t matter to me, that’s why i never said anything.” malia knew when stiles didn’t answer her question about his shoulder that he needed time alone and wasn’t ready to open up, and she gave him that. stiles in 5.01 says how constantly gets anxious

and begins to open up about his issue after she was worried first and reached out to ask him and listen to him again. she highlights how stiles thinks stuff “obsessively” and that means she knew him too well. and was always there whenever he needed that support. malia understood after he he spoke about his dad losing contact to everyone from high school that that’s the reason he wanted everyone together that day, “because you don’t wanna lose all your friends after senior year.” says malia and stiles responds with “and i hope they don’t wanna lose me either.” referring to malia specifically at that point because malia smiles and they kiss. he said “what if scott is my best friend now, but he’s not my best friend for life.” stiles straight up said he wanted malia in his life as his girlfriend. like literally forever. and malia wanted that as well.

that cure scene in 4.11 where malia noticed how stiles was helping her looking for her biological mother, in his board written “who is the desert wolf?” and the second she did she flipped him waking him up in the cutest way, stiles thought she would probably mind him not brush his teeth but she didn’t. and the look on his face when she said she didn’t care is so precious, he is shocked she would say that, like asking her “really?” and then his soft smile before they kiss again, they’re just always so sweet and gentle with each other. there are so so many more scenes of theirs i can mention that shows just how effortlessly in love stiles was with malia. they deserved that endgame. s6 is awful, which is glad it flopped, the ratings are embarrassingly low and for a reason. people can tell when something is forced. and both dylan and shelley were disappointed by how stalia broke up and wished both for them to stay together forever.

I am SO sorry for not answering, I swear I thought I did! But yes, you're right on all accounts!

He had absolute trust in her, seen when he stayed with her on the full moon when her chains broke. He was her anchor, he brought her back. And he knew she was strong enough to control her shift. And just that scene. Like she, indirectly of course because it wasn't her fault she was just a small child, caused her mom and sister to die because she couldn't control her shift. And she was terrified of that happening again and Stiles heard that, validated her, but still stayed because he KNEW she was strong enough and wouldn't hurt him.

He couldn't even sleep without her! Stiles went through A Lot. He has lots of trauma himself and she helped him feel safe enough to sleep. That's why the position of her spooning him was the only one he could get comfortable in. Stiles took care of a lot because of his love for Scott, but he really didn't have anyone taking care of him. Now a lot of that was because he didn't open up (and in Scott's defense, I'm a Scott McCall stan first lol, he had like so so much going on himself, it makes sense he wasn't really able to keep up with everyone, though he also tried) but Malia kinda saw through that. Like I don't even know if she realized what she offered Stiles, but she was def his safe space. The sleeping scene showed that. And he was her safe space, as established by the chain breaking full moon scene.

Like S5 started and he flat out said his life plans included being with Malia. That was "the plan" and that's when Malia was like "I love the plan, especially cause I'm in it!" Like how Allison planned to be with Scott past college, Stiles planned being with Malia.

For the absolute life of me I don't understand why they broke them up. And not just broke them up, but in such a bullshit way. Like the breakup scene wasn't even a breakup scene? It wasn't mentioned at all that they were done. Even Shelley had to be told "oh yeah y'all broke up" and she was like ...umm did I act that scene out? Which means it wasn't even explicitly clear in the script, ffs. But they still had to me tied. Malia's bio mom legit went after Stiles cause she knew that was how to get to Malia. And then Stiles flat out attacked her trying to help Malia when she was fighting with her mom. Like they were still very much each other's person!

I didn't watch S6. I watched 601 and that was it. I did notice how they literally had Malia in Stiles's clothes in 601 and still had him do the "i love you" to Lydia and was like???

I said, since S2, that if they ever put Stiles and Lydia together I was out. And when that happened, I was out. Which still pisses me off because I genuinely love this show. I own S1-5 on DVD! I didn't even really keep up with it on tumblr back then. I would occasionally check the tag but everything I heard was so outlandish, not even just Stalia related, that I was just like "well this show only had 5 seasons, such a shame it was cancelled after only 5 seasons." I didn't even know the ratings were THAT BAD until like right before the movie came out. And I let out a hearty chuckle when I found that out. Couldn't even clear 500k viewers. 

And what you said about Dylan is so true! He was always like "I think Malia's it for Stiles." "Stiles loves Malia." "Stiles should end up with Malia." "I still love Stiles and Malia together." And Shelley also thought they should be together. She's dropped the "coyotes mate for life" line. And fun fact, Holland didn't like Stiles and Lydia either. No one wanted that ship except people that wouldn't move on from S1/2!Stiles. And not even those seasons!Lydia cause she could not have cared less about Stiles then. They were never even close! Never! It made no sense! lol

Anyway. Yes. I agree with you on how Stalia was IT. And it made no sense to throw that away for ratings, they were never going to get.

[allhalesterekstilinski]

The people who say you can't like Teen Wolf without liking Scott are funny to me. Whether you like Scott or not, there are other characters.

[darkshrimpemotions]

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[thyfggfy]

The casual quirky UwU racism in the tags makes me sick to be honest

Are you fucking kidding me, the smartass twink and hot werewolf aren't even the main characters of the show?

Who the fuck is Scott?

[fruchtfliege]

UM... HE'S A RESCUE (98K) 🐺💙

synopsis: When Theo comes back from hell, the reality of it becomes too much and he does the only thing he couldn't do in there: shift. Three months after the chimera escaped the jail cell the pack placed him in, he appears in Liam’s backyard… except he’s in wolf form and starving.

Liam decides that if Theo is his responsibility then he must help him figure out why he can’t shift back to human. Maybe the puppy pack would take him more seriously if he stopped rambling about Theo for one fucking minute. Or if Theo stopped being a lap dog on main.

tags: Thiam. Wolf!Theo. Hurt/Comfort. Puppy Pack Shenanigans. The domestication of Theo Raeken. Corey is not a fan of Theo. Trophy wife, more like trophy dog Theo Raeken. War Dog to Lap Dog Pipeline. Malia “Me and My two brain cells don’t care about you” Tate-Hale, my beloved. Lori and Brett are alive. Alec is there. Morey. Stiles is anti-Theo. Traumatized Theo. Theo being Liam’s Emotional Support Dog. Texting.

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[wolfgiselle]

Have to agree with all of this.

Teen Wolf and Lack of Character Development - Scott McCall

Incoming Rant: Re-watching the first season of TW I have realised why I never felt that Scott was The Hero of the story even if the writers did not stop hammering the idea that he was pure and perfect and always right. He never sacrifices himself. This is a classic of fiction, the hero will always be the one who makes the greatest sacrifices for the common good and for those they love, renouncing happiness, normality and even their own life. 

But Scott never does that. Even in the first season this is very clear. The first few episodes emphasise that playing lacrosse and dating Allison are things he wants, but are dangerous to himself and those around him. The narratively logical thing would be that, after a period of selfish refusal, he would realise that the right thing to do is to give up what he loves until he has better control of himself and his new powers, sacrificing his temporary happiness for the good of others.

Instead, the narrative rewards Scott with control gained through Deux Ex Machina and not hard work, he gets to date Allison and becomes a Lacrosse star without sacrifices and therefore doesn’t grow or evolve at all. This keeps up for all 6 seasons. Meanwhile, everyone else around him is constantly sacrificing their safety, sanity and even life for the common good.  And ten years later in the movie nothing has changed. Scott’s still not the one performing the sacrifice, he’s still not the hero yet. He gives nothing, but the narrative rewards him with true love. Meanwhile Derek gives his own life to save those he loves he is The Hero.

So. Yes. To all of this.

I have made a countless number of posts about Scott’s development. Specifically, his lack of development. The writers had every opportunity to make him a decent character – and Posey could have performed it and done everything at least moderately well – but instead, they caved into Jeff Davis’ whims.

There were other writers in the room who should have held Jeff accountable and written Scott as a proper hero: a hero who sacrifices his own selfish wants for the greater good.

They do not have the right to tell us not to like characters such as Stiles or Derek more because they were the ones who wrote those characters using the hero’s journey narrative that they very easily could have written for Scott…but they didn’t. When the creator of Teen Wolf speaks up against those fans, he has no one to blame but himself and the other writers, and to say anything to the contrary just makes him look like a hypocrite.

You cannot expect your audience to believe your main character is a hero when you do not give them faults to overcome and make them a better person.

They wrote Scott as never taking consequences for his own actions – instead, they had everyone else suffer the consequences of his actions and had them clean up his mess and deal with the repercussions. (not going into detail here because I have already done so on many other posts)

But when you show characters such as Stiles and Derek dealing with complex emotional and physical traumas and then doing things to try and improve themselves, while also dealing with their own mistakes and growing from them…but then don’t hold your main character to the same standard, how can you be surprised when no one relates to them? The accountability for Scott’s lack of accountability can be traced right back to the writers’ room.

I genuinely could have liked Scott. In fact, when he was being sweet and helping his mom, I loved him! He had the potential to be a fantastic main character…but the writer’s neglected their responsibility as writers.

To put it simply: the writers suck.

The only reason the show lasted was because they had good cinematography, and they brought on some experienced older actors into the cast, and they had two natural talents on screen: Dylan O’Brien and Tyler Hoechlin.

That’s it.

[tofixtheshadows]

The funniest thing about anti Scott McCall conspiracy theorists- Scott is an unreliable narrator, he's secretly the bad guy, Jackson was the real protagonist, Stiles is the real protagonist, Scott's a werewolf colonizer etc etc- is that Teen Wolf is not a good show, you guys. It's not well-written. The writers of Teen Wolf were not putting secret hidden plots and complex narratives into the show and never could because they were bad at writing it. Certain fans are just desperate to find meaning that happens to align with their obsessive hatred for the brown main character, so they create their own fantasies justifying it. The intricacies of white fandom's persecution complex is deeper than the show could ever be.

[vicontheinternet]

Fandoms you couldn’t pay me to join even though I either really do like the show, did once or have been interested but for whatever reasons have been turned off by its fandom in no order

9-1-1 (did watch but fell off vapid fandom)

Buddie (no)

Bridgertom (was interested vapid racist fandom I find shonda Rimes to be very...)

Greys anatomy (did watch fell off vapid fandom with hints of racism)

Japril (I hate this ship with a passion mostly because their stans are annoying and turned me off)

Atla cartoon (comfort show vapid vapid fandom)

Anti legend of korra ( I have a love hate relationship with this show)

Driven (I do like them on a surface level but some of their fans can be intense) you will never get me to interact with driven content one I’ve seen multiple post attacking musa for being with riven or or calling musa ugly (she’s a cartoon character) or calling Darcy’s “spell” a dubbing issue while that might be true atp I’m over driven

Klaroline (jesus fucking christ sorry for using your in vain but this ship stans I once saw a fanfic that made caroline a original heretic and she was in the box instead of ester I'll give the points for originality but if they were to do a heretic bonnie was right there you know the wich that already had powers

Anti jegulus ( im not entering a fandom where the couple is written ooc to be together atp they are whole different characters) not trying to yuck someone yum

Sterek (these are some of the most annoying fanbase they don't even like these characters fr because rewrite them to make them so ooc that they are new characters. Why would stiles be in derek pack)

Stiles (I'm not going to lie I used to like stiles but his stans ruined him for me they were insuffible he could do no wrong in their eyes. All because he's a white snarky/sarcastic boy. Dont let write a crossover then they'll make him the most powerful being in the universe. Crossover with tvd/to he's loss mikealson crossover with supernatural hes either a Winchester that has demon blood also or an angel. They think that stile would be a better werewolf then Scott when everything in the show has told us that if he was the that had been the that had been bit his eyes would been blue by the end of season 1. And don't get me started on the friend subject)

The mcu (I used to love the mcu and watch every release but it became quantity over quality and its downfall for me was very sad)

Wanda maximoff and wandavision (I could make a whole video on the whole rollercoaster of thoughts I had on wanda and wandavision because like the mcu I liked both then I didn't. The decent of wandavision was more gradual with wandavision it was episodic to me it was a let down and didn't make sense while I thought Elizabeth Olsen acting was good the writing was not it find out that the writers were swayed not to look at the source material for the show because kevin fegie didn't want them to be influenced although that's the whole point because you're making a supposed comic book adaptation then there's the alleged part reshoot that happened because ppl guessed the ending and let's not forget the whitewashing of Wanda and peitro maximoff who are canonically romani and the mcu deliberately changed it to a made up country somewhere remotely European and made wanda a knock off Jean grey (red hair, pale skin, mind powers) for over ten years so bad that it started to influence the comics

Tony stark (hes a war profiteer, his fans infantilize him. They recognize his PTSD and mental problems only. His side of civil war was dead wrong and ppl to this day will not accept that even if you explain it to then like they are 2. Come onguys the un is useless even iron man knew he was wrong he broke the accords three times in the movie and kidnapped a child to fight adult that he had no business fighting. Also his fans are insane)

Specifically black arianitors that excuse everything thing that grow women does (now I don't dislike her or hate her but man her fanbase is annoying as hell especially the black ones it's like the one non black person who does problematic shit but has a lot black ppl in their corner rooting for them so when they do something out of pocket they don't even have to say anything they're black friends do it for them)

Taylor swift (need I could say more mind you I like some of her songs)

Obx/jaira - yall are psychotic!!!!!!! Yall have been tweaking over fictional characters for a few days

[why-are-you-like-that-man]

Omg I love this game.

Basically everyone on this list was ruined by their fans for me because them being overrated, their fans hating on my favorite characters and being assholes, gross (often underage) ships, or them pretending like their fav (who is actually toxic as f) can’t do anything wrong at all.

Put in the tags characters you hate mostly because of their fans being annoying.

(Remember to tag them as anti)

[haven-of-dusk]

I see the Scott-antis flinging overexaggerated claims about him being completely up his own ass and a terrible friend.

I see the Stiles-antis talking about how annoying, insensitive, and overhyped he is (overhyped is a fair criticism, but not really worth tossing the character out entirely for methinks...)

I see the rabid-Scott fans deflecting every bad action onto someone else, and rabid-Stiles fans doing the exact same thing.

And meanwhile I'm just sitting in a corner enjoying both of them because they both have strengths and weaknesses, flaws and virtues, good moments and bad, it's almost like they're both complex characters that can't be boiled down into a good-bad dichotomy.

What a wild concept that is...

[hemlocksandfoxgloves]

Chapters: 8/8 Fandom: Teen Wolf (TV) Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Liam Dunbar/Theo Raeken, Corey Bryant/Mason Hewitt Characters: Liam Dunbar, Theo Raeken, Mason Hewitt, Stiles Stilinski, Corey Bryant (Teen Wolf), Alec (Teen Wolf), Lorilee Rohr, Brett Talbot, Malia Tate, Liam Dunbar's Mother, Dr. Geyer (Teen Wolf) Additional Tags: Wolf!Theo, dog!Theo, Liam Dunbar's Pack | Puppy Pack (Teen Wolf), Hurt/Comfort, Canon-Typical Violence, puppy pack shenanigans, The domestification of Theo Raeken, Corey is not a fan of Theo, Trophy wife? more like trophy dog Theo Raeken, Protective Theo Raeken, War Dog to Lap Dog Pipeline, Traumatized Theo Raeken, Theo being Liam's emotional support dog, Angst, Stiles is unhinged and anti-Theo, Texting, Liam is emotional but he still deserves care Summary: When Theo comes back from hell, the reality of it becomes too much and he does the only thing he couldn't do in there: shift. Four months after the chimera escaped the jail cell the pack placed him in, he appears in Liam’s backyard… except he’s in wolf form and starving. Liam decides that if Theo is his responsibility then he must help him figure out why the chimera can’t shift back to human. Maybe the puppy pack would take him more seriously if he stopped rambling about Theo for one fucking minute. Or if Theo stopped being a lap dog on main.

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