#anti shigaraki toumra

[violetlunette]

I'm telling you I tried to force myself to like LoV because everyone acted like they are so deep and complex and big brain. So I just felt stupid because I've always seen them as kinda bland crazies that excuse their actions with "hero society is at fault uwah" thing. But with time I realized that maybe I was right actually. All of the explanations to why LoV are deep and complex that I've read were mostly filled with made up shit from the authors. And stuff like LoV being bad guys that deserve to get beaten up and put in jail is hard for fandom to understand. But tbh it's also Hori's fault. He tries to make some cOmPlEx gRaY conflict but he fails. Because as I said LoV are bad people. They don't deserve any saving or forgiveness or help. They are bland bad guys and that's okay for shounen. The problem is how fandom makes them seem like something they are not. They are not deep, complex, morally gray sad uwu babies. They are just not. And it's a problem also how they are seen as one of the best shounen villains and their arc too. So yeah they suck and fandom has to stop lying to themselves

Warnings:

*LoV critical and hate

*Touches on abuse and mental illness neglect

*Long post

*All opinion based

Personally, I knew right away I wasn’t going to like the LoV right away. Shiggy didn’t have a good first impression and I thought for sure he was just a first boss type. Wish he was. His first appearance was boring as he did almost nothing (the nomu was the main threat) and his design was—meh? I thought he was going to be able to use his hands to fight but in the end, all he did was hurt Aizawa’s shoulder. That’s it. Then when All Might appeared, he started spouting how heroes were no different from villains and blah, blah. And I was like; “Dude. You attacked school children with an intent to kill. You don’t have a leg to stand on.”

He didn’t improve as time went on either. At the end of the day, he was an annoying brat and still is. Worse than that, as a villain, he’s boring. All the woobie scenes in the world won’t change that.

You’re right that Hori doesn’t seem to write gray villains very well, and you can see that in his previous works. (But I���ll get into that later.)

Everything about to say is strictly opinion and guesswork, so keep in mind that everything below may be wrong and I could very well be talking out of my ass.

There are three main reasons why I believe people are sympathetic towards the LoV;

First off, there’s a good portion of fans—mainly younger ones—who take what stories say at face value. So if the manga says (example), they’ll accept it even if there is no evidence for this shown, and has scenes conflicting with the statement.

Second, the stuff that is said happens to the lov are things that happen every day in real life; racism, abuse, neglect of mental health, a criminal record gotten at the fault of someone else, and etc. Therefore, when the author states it in the manga not only are they more willing to believe it, because that’s how the real world works. However, BNHA is not the real world, it’s a fantasy world. True, it’s a bit of an offshoot of our world but at its core, it’s a fantasy.

We have not seen a hint of racism in the BNHA world aside from an insulting comment Shinsou makes as of now. Even in side materials, all that’s shown is that the world hasn’t adapted buildings and stuff, which is fair as quirks are only five generations old and it’s only since the fourth generation that quirks have become the norm.

The manga uses Himiko’s quirk impulse as a stand-in for mental neglect, but in the manga, it’s stated that it’s not a common thing as most kids in school get quirk therapy and training in elementary school. Himiko’s issues developed because her parents were so spooked by her quirk that they ordered her to suppress it. It’s likely that kept her homeschooled till they felt Himiko could hide her quirk well enough. Had her parents gotten over themselves and sent her to quirk therapy, she would be fine. Himiko’s issues are not the fault of the hero society, but of her parents. I suppose that a case could be made that they refused to get her help because they were worried she’d be seen as a villain, and the manga likes to SAY that there’s quirk discrimination, but not only is that never shown, but we’ve seen that other heroes who have scarier quirks are accepted rather easily.

As for Twice, an accident indeed got him a record he didn’t deserve and was betrayed by someone he trusted at the sensitive age of sixteen and we do see that. However, as soon as he was tossed out, we never see Jin try again, nor do we see that he couldn’t get another job because of his record. Instead, we see the police being as understanding as they could and assuring him he could turn his life around. Then, instead of even making an attempt, Jin jumped straight into committing crimes, making things worse for himself. So, Jin’s life wasn’t ruined because of hero society, but because two men were assholes and because Jin gave up.

Dabe’s the only one with a leg to stand on as it was his father’s obsession with beating All Might that led to Dabe’s abuse and mentally falling apart. But again, Dabe’s issues were because Endeavor was overly competitive, not because of hero society.

Shiggy’s issues happened because his dad was an abusive fuck while the rest of his family decided to sit in ignorance, despite the fact it was happening in front of them. Then afterward, the issue was a depressing case of back-stander syndrome. No, unlike the other members of the league, this one has a leg to stand on. This was built up from chapter one where we see people standing around, doing nothing, even as a teenager literally being suffocated to death before them and watching the scene like a show. Civilians have been taught to be so overly dependent on heroes that they don’t do anything to defend themselves or protect others, despite having their own unique powers to do so. Shiggy’s fate might have been avoided if someone made the effort to call the police or a hero, then sit with the boy to arrive. Even then, this is a result of Heroes doing their jobs too well, not from doing anything wrong. And even if Shiggy was found by a hero, from what we know of AFO, he would have gotten Shiggy anyway. The core of Shiggy’s issues comes from AFO’s brainwashing and possession, so the reason Shiggy’s life is in hell is because of the villains, not the heroes.

Oh, and Compress? Show me a scene where he wanted to expose the darkness of heroes. I can’t recall one, so readers are left with the view he’s just a bored guy, so joined a villain club.

Third, the heroes represent the system and the norm, which people hate. Because of real-world events, people tend to hate government organizations and police in fiction. Even if the narratives show that overall the organization is good and does its best to protect people, most audiences won’t accept that. They don’t want protagonists that fight for the status quo, they want a protagonist who rebels against it. Plus, the LoV is made of people that are marginalized in our world, so it’s easier to sympathize with them.

Anywho, that’s my thoughts. I have no evidence for this, so I could be wrong. If it helps, I’ve spoken to some LoV fans and while they like the characters a good portion seems to agree that they’ve crossed the line morally and that the manga isn’t good at showing their plights.

Right now everyone is riding the excitement of the manga as it's at its height. Once it ends and they get time to settle everyone will be able to look at the story and characters with some critical thinking. Even I may change my mind on things.

[violetlunette]

EDIT: I see that these old posts are getting attention. Please keep in mind that these anti-lov posts were written before I knew the whole story and I was recovering from an extremely tense time. As such, these are inaccurate due to lack of information.

Warning *Anti Shigaraki *Unfairness *A lot of Shiggy hate *Take this with a grain of salt style Rant *Rambling, like someone complaining on the street *Pettiness. No, really. These warnings are for the LoV stans who have been really nice to me, so I don’t want them to be bombarded with hate of their favorite character. At the same time, I need to brain dump for now. So if you like Shiggy, skip this.

Okay, okay. So I’m doing a re-read of the manga, and, as I mentioned in my last post, I’m on the USJ arc. And at first, I was thinking, “well wait a moment, I don’t hate Shiggy as much here? But I remembered I hated him in his first appearance. Why--” Then this happened--

--and I was like, “OH. That’s why.” No joke, the panel above is when I started to hate Shiggy.

Uh. No. No, it isn’t the same asshole. Wanna know why? You invaded a school with a literal army of thugs to MURDER a class of children with the intent of killing three other people. Oh, and here’s something no one ever points out; A HERO HAS NEVER ONCE ATTACKED A VILLAIN WHO DIDN’T ESCALATE THE FIGHT THEMSELVES. Every time a hero used violence was because a villain was using their quirk to terrorize others. The only exception is Nagant, and even then she was more of a government agent than a hero. (I’ll get to her when I get to her.) I love that All Might called bull shit on him. And yes, I know that later All Might states he was just trying to provoke him, but he didn’t. He provoked me, and I’m angry. And the first time I read this, I was just annoyed. Now I read it, and I’m mad. Why? Because this becomes the whole motto for the LoV where they play the victims while claiming heroes are no better when, no. They are better. They don’t try to murder innocent children. You did! Several times throughout the story! And yes, I know Shiggy was brainwashed to believe this stuff by AFO, but that doesn’t make it less annoying! Worse, the manga seems to agree with this later in the series. It’s just—ugh! Sorry. Sorry—I just needed to get this out. I really hate Shiggy, and a part of me wishes that Snipe took the headshot. These two moments here were what introduced me to Shiggy’s victim mentality, one of the traits I hate most in characters. Didn’t help that he was a whiny brat who was just annoying, which in theory, I liked. I liked that Shiggy started off as a brat. He annoyed me, but he was a villain, so you know, different rules. Plus, I expected him to get better, and—well, now that I’ve blown off some steam, I can calmly approach the story with a fair and open mind again and see if he does improve.