#anti sabine wren

[jedimasterbailey]

WARNING! AHSOKA SHOW RANT DOWN BELOW! SPOILERS!

Furthermore, I’m going to be completely honest in this review so if you’re someone who truly enjoyed the show, you’re a Rebels stan, etc. then this post isn’t for you. Haters will be blocked immediately so take your negative energy elsewhere. You have been warned!

For everyone else, buckle up because I’ve got a lot to say and I’d love to hear your thoughts on this as well. All comments are welcome so long as they are respectful to everyone.

Okay, so now that the show is done for now. I’m going to be listing some major talking points. We’re there some aspects of the show that I enjoyed/appreciated? Absolutely! But overall, I’m leaving this show very disappointed, confused, and frustrated. The finale left me feeling empty and never have I personally been more silent after a Star Wars show. Now mind you I think this has a lot to do with the fact that I love Ahsoka’s character dearly as well as the Clone Wars and the prequels so there is bias here. Furthermore I am pretty indifferent with Rebels so going in knowing that the Ahsoka show wasn’t going to be…well about Ahsoka but rather a Rebels sequel, that already put a bad taste in my mouth and I was very nervous how this show was going to go and well…it was exactly what I expected from a Filoni/cheap Disney production. Without further ado, here’s a list of all my beef.

1.) Lack of a Coherent and Cohesive Story

So I’ve mentioned this in a previous post, but my main issue with Dave Feloni productions is that the story seems to be going all over the place and there’s a lot of moving parts that don’t necessarily meld well together. I often think to myself that Ahsoka is an example of a poorly written fanfiction brought to the screen. So the plot of the show initally was focused on Ahsoka bringing Ezra home. Okay, that’s simple, there’s many different ways we can make that cool and interesting but that’s not what happened here. We’re just filled with a ton of confusing information and we’re in for a very boring journey heading for a very anticlimactic and unsatisfying ending.

For starters, we the audience are informed that Ahsoka and Sabine had started an apprenticeship (which I have ALOT of issues with but that’s for another talking point) but they got into a tiff (which we never find out about and/or see) and now things are just depressing and weird between them. First of all, anyone who has seen Rebels KNOWS that Ahsoka and Sabine literally had very little to do with each other; I can’t recall a single conversation those two have had in the past, nor was it ever eluded to us that Sabine is Force sensitive.

Second we see that Hera and Sabine don’t have anything to do with each other for some reason? Which is weird considering all that’s happened and their history but okay suddenly Sabine, a grown ass 30+ year old woman is Ahsoka’s responsibility, which again why? We don’t get any background information, we’re just expected to accept and go with it.

Third, Ahsoka and Hyuang are reunited and working together immediately but again do we know how that became to be? No. We see none of that.

Fourth we are told that Morgan Elsbeth, a one off antagonist from the Mandalorian that Ahsoka fought is suddenly a Dathormirian woman even though she looks nothing like one besides her outfits in the show nor was that eluded to previously.

Fifth, we are introduced to these two new…I don’t even know what to call them “dark siders” “non Jedi” Shin and Baylan (who is apparently a former Jedi from the Clone Wars but did we see that or see how he knew Ahsoka and Anakin? No.) but we aren’t given any reason to care about them other than they’re in Ahsoka’s way of completing her mission. They end up being more like time fillers that anything else and end up walking away from the big conclusion. Like…why are they even in this show and why should we care?

Perhaps Dave Feloni has this big grand story in his mind but he’s so far up his own ass that none of us get to see this story. It’s like seeing a little kid play with their action figures and they’re super passionate about it but as a outsider you have no idea what’s going on. Now this isn’t good not only for the sake of good storytelling but it’s bad for business too.

Disney wants to make as much money off of Star Wars as they can. That’s extremely obvious. However here you have a show that isn’t going to pull in a casual Star Wars viewers (they would have to watch so much content to catch up on whose who and what is going on) nor is it really going to pull in fans of Clone Wars and Rebels because while they overlap, the fandoms are different and Feloni hasn’t done a good job melding those worlds together thus the divisive opinions on this show. This leaves for an incredibly small niche of people and honestly I think whatever toy sells they make from this show will do better than the actual ratings. I would be shocked if they greenlit for another season because I’m pretty done with this story as is many of the people who would be willing to watch.

All in all this is embarrassing how Feloni and the gang with all the money and resources can’t pull off a simple and epic show when there are thousands of unpaid fanfic writers that could pull off a much better story and build these beloved up characters, which leads into my next point.

2. The Characterizations of Ahsoka, Sabine, and Hera Are Bad

Now I have mentioned previously how much I love Ahsoka but damn it upon watching this show, she may as well be dead. Ahsoka has been given the Luke Skywalker treatment in that Ahsoka has been stripped of everything that made her lovable in Clone Wars and Rebels and is left as a sorry shell of who she once was. Her dialouge is hollow and lifeless not like the lively Ashley counterpart that made us all love Ahsoka in the first place. And no don’t give this “well she’s older now” bullshti excuse because Obi Wan Kenobi never lost his cheekiness and charisma as an old man, neither did Yoda, or Leia, etc. Just because you age doesn’t mean you have to be lifeless. Maturity does not equate to emotionless. Secondly for a woman whose well into her fifties and still acts very much like a Jedi Ahsoka’s views on the Jedi and their philosophy seem very warped and the audience is again left confused as to where she stands on the Jedi. I mentioned in a previous post how I couldn’t stand Ahsoka’s negativity towards the Jedi and how nobody seems to matter but Anakin (even though he’s put her through a ton of trauma and has tried to kill her as Vader) because it’s just so distasteful to the people who raised her and loved her that died by genocide no thanks to Anakin. Ahsoka has zero character development other than she seems to forgive Anakin for his wrongdoings despite the nonexistent apology. For a show that has her name on it, she sure is boring. Makes me miss Ashley and old Ahsoka even more.

As for Sabine I probably could write a whole thesis on how unlikeable she is but I’ll keep it short. One, I find it sick on Feloni’s part that he’s having a grown 30+ year old woman act like a teenager and be snarky with just about everyone. Ezra, who annoyed me immensely in Rebels, was WAY more mature and grounded. And again I’m sick and tired of the Mandalorian excuse of you getting to be an asshole because youre Mandalorian. Shut up. No one is above manners and decency. Sabine’s actions in this show have been far from Jedi like and thanks to her immaturity, she left Ahsoka for dead once and is indirectly responsible for the death of New Republic officers who were trying to stop this very dangerous mission that could possibly bring Thrawn and the Empire back ensuing more death and destruction of innocents. Ahsoka deserves to be angry with her for her words and actions, but of course Sabine gets a free pass and her bad behavior will continue to be enabled.

As for Hera…when did she become such a Karen? Just because you’re an officer doesn’t mean you get to abuse your power for your own personal agenda. That Senator was right about her. Finding Thrawn is a threat to the galaxy and using resources and putting lives at risk for it is a big deal. Hera was depicted as honorable and responsible in the Rebels series and I swear I was watching a different person on screen. Also she is a major Sabine enabler and that needs to stop. Sabine is grown and needs to grow up and fix her attitude.

3.) Anakin’s Role In the Show

Now don’t get me wrong, I love Hayden and I love Anakin, I have the dude tattooed on me for Force sake so don’t come at me for that, but I had some issues on how his character was used here. First, I’m tired of Ahsoka’s relevance to Anakin being the only defining trait about her. Second, I’m continuously annoyed by Anakin’s lack of accountability in these shows; he never once apologizes to Ahsoka for all that’s happened, he never once’s has a meaningful conversation with her; he just basically beats her down until she finally lets go of her past. Did I love the Clone Wars flashbacks! YES! They were my favorite part of the entire show and I want MORE of that; but I so wish Anakin could have been reflecting on his own actions with Ahsoka instead of being like “Is ThAt WhAt ThIs Is AbOuT?” Like come on 🙄

4.) Ahsoka’s “It’s Time To Move On” Line

Are you kidding me Ahsoka? There is still so much more to unpack with her past such as all the other relationships she’s had that completely changed her trajectory like BARRISS and REX and she could also be a mentor figure to Luke and Leia, etc. But nope the only thing that matters is getting over Anakin and all is well despite being stranded in another galaxy and Thrawn being unleashed back home. Like THIS IS NOT OKAY!

5.) The Cheap Ass Production of this Show

I’m not normally one to comment on production but it was so obvious in this show how many corners were cut. For one characters like Thrawn look god awful. Dude looking like a blue Elon Musk instead of an intimidating villain. The use of fog and the volume were very obvious and the places we went to were so boring minus the red leaves forest. The worlds of Star Wars used to be so cool and otherworldly but that’s not the case nowadays and it’s sad. Also why does Force ghost Anakin look better in the 2000’s than it does now? I prefer quality over quantity so I really wish Disney would quit churning out these cheaply made productions and have the audacity to rise their Disney plus subscriptions and not pay their people well.

6.) THE RACISM

I’m so fucking tired of this y’all! 🤬 of course make the Jewish actor in the shipyard be greedy and power hungry. Of course make the Asian Senator the asshole and not any of the white protagonists. The antisemitism and racism against POC is unacceptable to me and it should be unacceptable to you too.

Conclusion

I’m sure I’m missing some talking points but these are my biggest grips and as an Ahsoka fan I’m disappointed. Being a miserable Jedi not Jedi responsible for bringing a new evil into the galaxy but being content being stranded in another galaxy is not the future I believe Ahsoka deserves and I sincerely hope they don’t continue this story. It’s just bad all around. Except for the Loth cats… the Loth cats can stay. And Clone Wars flashbacks.

[devondeal]

Sabine is about 30 years old and she be acting like a middle schooler and it's annoying as hell. And Hera is just enabling the fuck out of her and pushing her onto Ahsoka which I fucking hate.

Also why I really don't like the comparison to when Ahsoka was a spicy Padawan in the early seasons of Clone Wars. She was 14, she literally was a middle schooler and actually acting her age unlike Sabine.

So no, Ahsoka should not have to tolerate this

[antianakin]

So I'm not a proponent of queerbaiting but JUST THIS ONCE I think they should have an entire season-long arc of Sabine bringing Shin back to the light that is just chock a block FULL of clear UST and narrative parallels and things like that, and at the end of the season Shin and Sabine kiss for the first time and then one or both of them immediately dies somehow.

[lunarspiral1127]

*Ahsoka show and Star Wars SPOILERS*

I hope I'm not the only one who's incredibly disappointed with how the Ahsoka show went. But, I was. So much so, that I think The Book of Boba Fett, and the Obi-Wan Kenobi show were better than this show.

Ahsoka should've been mad at Sabine for not destroying the map. She should've been mad at her for going with the enemy and giving Thrawn the means to get back. Hell, Ezra should've been told about how Sabine got there sooner and should've been AT LEAST disappointed in her. But, they don't. The show keeps justifying Sabine's actions for some reason, when we damn well know she made bad ones.

And, the latest episode tries to make it a good thing that Ezra made it back home, but the thing is Thrawn is also back and he's gonna wage war against the New Republic. Innocents are gonna die. But, hey! The plus side is the guys she cares for made it back home and the only consequence she gets is being stranded on that planet. All this to set up either another season or another show or another movie.

So, totally worth it.....god, I hate Sabine in this show. I feel so sorry for some of the Rebels fans I've talked to that don't like how their beloved characters are being ruined in this show.

Also, Baylan and Shin were said to be really good characters, but we know very little about them and their goals.

[dalekofchaos]

Probably unpopular opinion. I did not like Sabine becoming a Jedi.

Not for the same reason the reactionary bigots churn out.

She was already a really interesting character. A Mandalorian, mechanic, artist, genius, skilled fighter, rebel. The last thing her character needed was to be turned into a Jedi Padawan. She doesn't need to be a Jedi to be important!!

The coolest thing about her was that she could do everything with her tools without needing the force.

Dave Filoni does not even understand the appeal of his own characters.

It kinda erases Kanan's influence on her a bit for me. He trained her to fight with a saber and they never acknowledged that in the show I feel like it’d be too hard to explain the force thing. If they were gonna make her force sensitive they should’ve done it with Kanan in Rebels, not fucking Ahsoka.

I get the appeal of doing a Jedi Mandalorian, but not everyone needs to become a Jedi.

Sabine as a capable Mandalorian was enough.

[bikananjarrus]

remember how filoni just wrote sabine's entire family off as dead with a single throwaway line and then never let her talk about it. and the people that do bring it up aren’t ever her!! (it’s baylan and huyang iirc). remember how he basically erased all of her mandalorian identity, and made her connection to her family and to mandalore basically non-existent. and then to add insult to injury he was like ‘well she can use the force now, apparently, so it’s fine.’

[somewillwin]

Sabine deserves to be on top for a bit jsjsjjs

Kofi

[armoralor]

soft lesbians out, mean toxic lesbians in ✰ WolfWren from Ahsoka ✰ inspired by these iconic posts (x x x) ✰ reminder that T*RFs can fuck off, only interact if you love trans & nb folks ♡ @starwarstoxicfemslash

[inquisitor-apologist]

Anyway. Ever think about how Sabine’s planet was destroyed, her people were genocided, and her family was killed by the Empire. Exactly like what happened to Zeb, and Filoni didn’t even let them interact in Ahsoka???

[short-wooloo]

In retrospect, one of the biggest storytelling mistakes SW made was when Rebels had there be a big contingent of mandalorians (and eventually all of them) fighting against the empire

Like, that makes no sense, mandalorians have always been chummy with the sith for one, they hate Jedi, and they love fighting killin and conquering, they believe in a code of "the strong deserve to rule because they're strong, the weak deserve to be conquered because they're weak" (hence why they get along so well with the sith), they should have seen the empire brutally oppressing worlds, the persecution of the Jedi, and Vader murdering everything in his path and fucking tripped over themselves trying to bend the knee and pledge loyalty to Palpatine

But no, now every fucking mandalorian is an honorable rebel who respects and fights for the freedom of all (THAT'S THE JEDI GODAMNIT!! YOU'RE STEALING THE JEDI'S TRAITS AND GIVING THEM TO MANDOS!!)

Not only that, but we've diminished the uniqueness of characters like Sabine, she was an honorable rebel who fought for everyone's freedom, it made her stand out from the rest of the mandalorians, she was a cultural rebel because of those qualities

[oncearebelalwaysarebelsblog]

Anytime I think of this ( and cry and puke)

I remember this

Sabezra we were first and I understand that you can ship who ever you want ( even if it's toxic and...bulish) don't forget that Taylor and Tiya were Sabezra shippers way before wolfwren ever came along....don't loose hope Sabezra nation..

Edit: guys I'm sorry for this post when I wrote it I had recently had some family stuff going on and got super pissed and took it out on something stupid like thks so sorry and guys ship whoever you want cause in the end we love them both but Dave makes the final choice

[jedimasterbailey]

Remember dearest, Feloni’s crotch goblins are more special and important than anyone else in the galaxy.

So... you're telling me that NOBODY else could have figured out the ball puzzle thing.

NO ONE else could have noticed the identical patterns in the holo and the ball.

Not Ahsoka who has eyes on her head or a droid who is programmed to find patterns.

It just had to be Sabine... sure... sure...

[antianakin]

Instead of making Sabine a Jedi, they should've made Ahsoka a Mando. It would've made SO MUCH MORE SENSE with the values they were putting forth in the Ahsoka show, Ahsoka's barely been a Jedi for years now anyway, and it would've allowed Sabine to keep a part of her identity that's really important to her character.

Ahsoka becoming a Mando wouldn't have fixed the trashfire that was her show, but it would've at least been narrative direction that made more sense than Sabine being ret-conned into a Jedi off-screen.

[starwarsfandomh8speopleofcolor]

another thing that's exhausting about the star wars fandom is how there's literally dozens of think pieces about how Sabine can't possibly force sensitive????

Like I'm only 3 pages in the ahsoka tag and already I've seen like 6 anti jedi sabine posts? Like can we talk about how freaking anti asian racism that is?

can we talk about how the actress for sabine is literally Asian?

(sidenote this was the only live action sabine gif I found and of course its freaking shinbine i'm gonna kms)

anyways this franchise is nearly 50 years old and they just now got an asian actor to be a Jedi????? even though lucas wanted toshiro mifune to be Obi Wan Kenobi???

because the Jedi are literally an orientalist amalgamation but in space????

i'm so angry rn.

mod laina

[itneedsmoregays]

Shin Hati: Only scenes with Sabine involve running her through with a lightsaber, trying to kill her and taking her hostage.

Star Wars fans: aWwW tHeY iN lOvE

[cosmicluci]

I drew Ketbine (again, because I dont like the old version I did anymore). I love this pairing. Might be my favourite Star Wars pairing of all (and I'm 100% convinced they're a couple).

I love them even more because Pride and Rebellion really go hand-in-hand (in fact, they are kissing, sloppy-style, squishing boobs together, etc.) 🏳️‍🌈Rebel Mandalorian Space Lesbians for the win!🏳️‍🌈

I wish Ketsu would show up in the new Ahsoka show... How cool would it be for them to make their relationship canon? She wouldn't even need to be there all the time. Maybe she shows up in, like, one episode, just to show she's Sabine's wife. Maybe she helps out in one episode's side quest or something.

Last thing: my little RANT (it's my post, so I get to do this all I want 😌) I've seen a good deal of shipping of Sabine and Ezra recently. And I hate that ship with a passion. 1-Their story is an amazing one of him letting go of his infantile teenage attraction after being rejected a few times (making it infinitely better and more healthy than the gross Han and Leia relationship), and them then developing a great, close friendship. That would all be undermined by them then falling in love. 2-Sabine is probably the most queer-coded character in Star Wars, a franchise with no actual, decent, explicit LGBT+ representation in it. So having her end up in a boring heteronormative relationship would be shitty, not to mention unimaginably dull. So I hope it never happens.