#anti lucerys velaryon

[very-straight-blog]

So, the full script for the dinner scene from the first season has been published and I have some news for you. Luke is a little shit.

I guess now TB can stop saying that "he didn't want to" and "he didn't understand." He wanted to and understood.

[thequeenintheeast]

Rewatched Viserys dinner speech and Alicent and Rhaenyra look sad and like they believe him. Aemonds not even listening because he stopped thinking of him as anything to him the night he lost his eye. Aegon and Deamon look at him with doubt and irritation when he says he loves them all so dearly and apparently Haleana does too but her shot was cut.

The only people listening carefully are Rhaenyra and Daemons kids because they have been living in I’m so sheltered land for the past 6 years on Dragonstone and they believe his words at face value.

Also luke started that dinner fight. Aemond was literally staring into space and luc started laughing at him rudely. I loved the fight sequence because Aegon stopping luc and baela from intervening was like no 4 on 1 this time bitches let’s see how Jacey can do 1:1. Aegon clearly did feel guilt for the night Aemond was maimed weather his mother shamed him or not.

Team Green kids are mad but god damn are the Team Black kids spoiled entitled brats.

[fatum679]

Are you f*cking serious? 🤡

You're so stupid! lmfao

Knowing this, these idiots attacked Aemond in a crowd, beat him, cut out his eye and made him disabled. You are such clowns!

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Alyssa died when Daemon was 3 years old. So shut up with your argument that Rhaenys gave Daemon a chance to claim Meleys. TB does not recognize the OPINION AND CHOICE OF THE DRAGON HIMSELF. DRAGON CHOOSE Rider! VHAGAR WANTED AEMOND!

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[2rats1gogh]

“Jace, Luke and Joffrey weren’t usurpers, Corlys named them his heirs!”

Okay but Robert Baratheon also named Joffrey his heir, because he thought he was his son. But that doesn’t make Joffrey any less of an usurper, does it? Pretty much anyone who has seen the show considers Joffrey an usurper, because everybody fucking knows he has no claim to the throne.

[coffeebooksrain18]

I really wonder what sort of crazy shit TBs are snorting up sometimes, especially when they say things like. "A eye for a eye a son for a son." As they seem to forget one VERY important thing, Luc never lost his eye! Luc never got punished for it in any sense let alone got his eye taken out!

They also say "Aemond needed to have better control of Vhagar! Him losing control of her shows how he isn't a TRUE Targaryen!" But they also seem to forget Vhagar was chill, calm, followed Aemonds commands perfectly, she only went crazy when Arrax, Lucs Dragon, didn't listen to Luc and shot fire at Vhagar, a fucking WAR DRAGON, pissing her off and killing Arrax and by extension Luc. So who really lost control of their Dragon?

[spacerockfloater]

I’m going to preface this post by saying I don’t give a flying fuck about the hate I’m going to receive for the opinion I will be sharing and I won’t bother replying to any comments attacking me for it.

I fucking LOVE that Aemond killed Luke and I wish it wasn’t accidental. I wish Luke’s death was full on intentional, lol.

As a victim of bullying, I’ve been in situations where I have had to fend off 20+ kids as a kid myself. I’ve been verbally, physically, emotionally and psychologically assaulted as a child by other children, simply because I wanted, strived for and had good grades in school, actions that did not affect any of my classmates in the slightest. Therefore, I absolutely sympathise with Aemond, whose lack of dragon and later on his acquisition of one hurt no one (dragons belong to no one, you snooze you lose), yet he still got ridiculed and attacked for it. Yes, Aegon was also a bully and I hate him for it, but ultimately he grows out of it and supports his family, unlike the Strong bastards who remain bullies and assaulters. Oh, and Aemond tried to hit Jace with a rock because he attacked him first. Accusing him for standing up for himself is victim blaming. People who defend the Strong boys are bullies and that’s final.

No, I don’t give a rat’s ass that his attackers were children. Aemond was a child, too, and they ganked him 4v1. It’s crazy how some of y’all support physically attacking someone because you don’t agree with them. It was satisfying to see him kick their teeth in. Aemond and Luke are only 2 years apart, even if the actors’ appearances suggest otherwise. Your age does not excuse you being a fucking piece of shit. Children and teenagers appear on the news daily as rapists, killers, assaulters and all kind of criminals. That’s the reason juvie exists. Children should face the consequences of their actions.

“Are you excusing child murder?” if it is by the hand of the child they unapologetically disabled, fuck yeah. Besides, at the end of the day, Aemond dies, too, so you could say justice is served.

Still, I would have given the Strong boy the benefit of the doubt if it weren’t for this scene:

Lucerys is laughing at Aemond.

He is looking him in the eye and he is laughing at him. It’s been 6 fucking years. Lucerys is 17 (confirmed by the writers) and he feels no remorse for what he did. He was not punished for his action, so he has learned nothing.

He feels safe to mock Aemond, in the comfort and safety of his grandfather’s house, where his guard and stepdad can stop Aemond, whom he cannot beat on his own, from bashing his head against the wall. He feels safe to attack Aemond when he calls him Strong, knowing that other people will finish the fight he started but can’t win.

But what happens when no one is around to protect him from the consequences of his own actions? He shits himself. His face falls, he stumbles backwards and does not object to Aemond calling him Strong.

Not laughing now, huh, you little shit stain?

[crimsonbastard]

"This episode made it evident that Aemond's biggest bully was Aegon and not Luke!"

Bestie:

Aegon did not gang-up on Aemond with his buddies and force him into a corner where he had to defend himself with a rock

Aegon did not cut out Aemond's eye

Aegon did not snicker at Aemond when a Pig was Placed in front of him, all those years after the eye-incident.

Aegon actually felt remorse for what he had done and stopped bullying him with the Pig Incident.

[aemvnd]

the more and more i think about alicent and rhaenyra's "friendship", the more i think that alicent deserved way better ִ ִ i dunno, i just find it crazy how tb is always like, "alicent betrayed rhaenyra" and "alicent stole the throne from rhaenyra to give to her son" ִ ִ what the fuck was alicent supposed to do? come on, team black supporters, think.

it was rhaenyra who betrayed alicent first when she lied to her about daemon touching her, let us not forget. also, it was always alicent trying to reach out to rhaenyra to make amends, but rhaenyra was too much of a spoiled brat to realize that alicent never had a choice to marry who she wanted, unlike rhaenyra.

rhaenyra was given a choice on who she would marry at the beginning before viserys grew too frustrated ִ ִ and henceforth, he picked out a husband for her (all because rhaenyra thought she was too good for any of the lords presented to her) ִ ִ for fucks sake, she could've married harwin if she truly wanted, and honestly it would've been better if she had since then her children's legitimacy wouldn't be put into question.

and i'm sorry, but the whole "the greens are traitors" is just soo silly to me because really ִ ִ what tf did y'all expect? was alicent just supposed to happily bend the knee to rhaenyra when ALL of her children's lives would be put in jeopardy?

that no matter what, as long as aegon, aemond, and daeron breathed, their claim would ultimately always be stronger than rhaenyra's claim (especially aegon's) − regardless of what viserys wanted, aegon is the firstborn son and has a very strong (and legitimate) claim regardless of tb's denial ִ ִ it's just a fact.

besides that, rhaenyra literally says it herself, that she "must" take aegon's head for all to see ִ ִ i guess she must've forgotten all about jaehaerys, just like the writers made her forget all about her own son, lucerys.

i also find it comical that tb's defense in all of this is "an eye for an eye, a son for a son" ִ ִ but what justice was done for aemond when he lost his eye? or are we just forgetting the fact that there was no justice given to the child who was maimed by his bastard nephew?

i dunno ִ ִ i just guess that if i was put in alicent's shoes, i too would crown my son for the purposes of not only just protecting my children, but also to spite my deadbeat (rapist) husband who neglected and ignored not just me, but all of my children.

[thesunfyre4446]

"waahhh aemond and aegon are adults!! how could they hit poor jace and luki wwaaahhh"

i'm sorry, did you not watch the part where luke laughs at aemond -completely unprovoked - reminding him of the days they used to bully him. luke took aemond's eye out, even if it was by accident, and had the nerve to sit there and laugh at his face for absolutely no fucking reason other then being a cruel bully

and then he acted so surprised when aemond got up to make that speech, but i'm guessing he's not really used to his actions having consequences. it was then that jace attacked aemond, trying to punch him in the face (to be fair, jace never tried to start shit & prob didn't see luke provoking aemond) and aemond shoved him off. aegon grabbed luke when he tried to get to aemond - because this time around he's got his brother's back.

so yeah, luke provoked aemond into making the speech, jace was the one to instigate the fight. they fucked around and found out.

[saltywinteradult]

“there is no way in hell Alicent is going to abandon her children” why not?

Aegon’s a rapist and Aemond’s a sociopathic kinslayer, why should Alicent be forced to stay loyal to them?

I understand Rhaenyra why loves Jace, Luke and Joffrey because what’s not to love, they’re perfect. But I cannot see Alicent genuinely loving Aegon and Aemond after everything they’ve done.

It would be 100x more radical and feminist for Alicent to choose Rhaenyra, to put herself first, to stop letting men control her.

Goodness me, I hardly know where to start with this.

I don’t know how you think parental love works, nonny dearest, but it sure as hell isn’t "I won't love my children if they're not perfect people". That’s generally not how parenthood works. And Alicent loves her children. She was sold as a child bride and endured years of rape for the sake of producing those children. Raising and protecting them has been the main purpose of Alicent’s life for twenty years. How could she not love them?

In case you need proof, Alicent physically attacked Rhaenyra, arguably the big love of her life, because she was that angry (and rightfully so) about her son being maimed. Alicent went along with usurping Rhaenyra's throne, despite knowing it would lead to war and ruin what little chance she had left of mending things with Rhaenyra, because she loves her children and is desperate to keep them safe, and she believes that Rhaenyra would kill them to secure her claim to the throne. (Whether that is true is a different discussion - what matters here is that Alicent believes it.) Alicent stepped in front of a dragon to protect Aegon, for crying out loud. Aegon being a rapist clearly tarnished him in her eyes, and yet she still stepped in front of that dragon to protect him. If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about Alicent's love for her children, I don't know what will. So I don't know that this is a case of Alicent being "forced" to stay loyal to her children, as much as it is Alicent choosing to stay loyal to the people she loves most in the world.

I would also like to point out that Rhaenyra's children are very much not perfect. Jace and Luke both participated in bullying Aemond. In case you forgot, it was Luke who literally mutilated and permanently disabled Aemond. It doesn't matter if Aemond was in the wrong for claiming Vhagar or calling the Strong boys bastards. He wasn't, but even if he was, cutting out someone's eye is not a thing that good people do. So I don't know where you got the idea that Jace and Luke are "perfect", nonny dearest, but it sure as hell wasn't from HotD.

I'm not going to argue over whether Luke maiming Aemond is more or less bad than Aegon raping Dyana or Aemond killing Luke (which is his fault, even if in this version of the story he didn't intend for it to happen). That's not the point. And please note, I am not making a single excuse for Aegon raping Dyana or Aemond killing Luke. I'm simply pointing out that it is extremely hypocritical to claim that Aemond and Aegon are unloveable because of the terrible things they do, but Jace and Luke are loveable when they both do terrible things as well.

And here's the thing. Rhaenyra clearly loves Jace and Luke anyway. Why wouldn't she? They're her kids and she loves them flaws and all. So why is it any less believable that Alicent would love Aegon and Aemond? Why are Jace and Luke loveable despite their terrible deeds, but Aegon and Aemond aren't? And if Alicent choosing Rhaenyra, whom she loves, would be a feminist storytelling choice, why would it be any less feminist for her to choose to stay with her family whom she loves just as much? Why are Alicent's choices only Feminist and Radical when they benefit Rhaenyra?

Even if it were true that Alicent abandoning her family and becoming lifetime president of the Rhaenyra Fan Club would make for a more feminist story - which, to be clear, it isn't - my first priority is not for the story to be The Most Radical And Feminist™. I want the story to be good. And I do not think that making Alicent abandon her family for Rhaenyra would make for a good story. It goes completely against Alicent's characterisation to have her abandon the family we're shown time and time again that she loves more than anything else. Not only would that be a betrayal of her character, it would undermine the narrative as a whole.

For better or worse, these two women and their relationship have been made central to this story. They are foils and they've each been made into the figurehead of their respective teams in every way, down to the marketing of the show. It would simply be bad storytelling to throw off that narrative balance by having them team up. It would completely upend the story being told. The point of making Rhaenyra and Alicent's relationship so central to the show is that despite their love for each other they were still driven apart and forced to become enemies. Having them reconcile would undermine the point that this story is a tragedy.

[very-straight-blog]

I love this:

TB: The fact that a child is a bastard doesn't make him worse, he's the same as everyone else, no different, and in general all people are equal.

TG: Okay, so can I say that Jace/Luke is a bastard?

TB: NO, YOU CAN'T! They're legitimate princes, they aren't some bastards!

Lol.

[thequeenintheeast]

Watching interviews with Ewan and Tom and Ewan said the way Leo (little Aemond) played the pig scene implies the bulling was going on for quite some time as he acts hurt but like yeah it’s Tuesday. So… I imagine Aemond was def not having it when they started with him post claiming Vhagar.

And yes yes Aegon was ring leader but Aegon def always paid for his sins. The Strong boys always got off Scott free you know until Luc finally didn’t.

Also good eye on the Viserys dinner reblog that said as soon as the pig was out on table Aemond tensed up because he knew someone was gonna start.

[linberlyy]

TB stans: the greens ones feel sorry for Jaehaerys for his cruel death, but they don’t feel sorry for Lucerys, who is exactly the same child!!!

Excuse me, but why is Lucerys a child? Do you need to be reminded that at the age of 15, Robb Stark led an army and went to the South to avenge the death of his father and rescue his sisters from captivity?

Remind you that Arya was exposed to the cruelty of the world at a young age when she was captured at Harrenhal and forced to watch the cruel deeds of Tywin Lannister?

Do you finally need to remember Shireen, whom her own father took on a hike in the dead of winter? She never once complained about her age.

Finally, think of Tommen, who also had to face the fanatics of the High Sparrow at a young age. I’m already silent about Bran and Rickon - they were in exile from a young age and wandered through foreign lands in search of help, and Bran generally went beyond the Wall and lived in the wilderness.

And after that TB stans call Lucerys a CHILD? what kind of child is he if he was sent as an ambassador on a responsible mission to gain the support of a great House for his mother? Would a child be sent on such a dangerous journey for dangerous negotiations? Or are you saying that Rhaenyra is so stupid that she didn't find anyone better than a child to be an ambassador? shut your mouths and be silent. stop comparing the deaths of a truly INNOCENT CHILD and a person who was a FIGURE in the war that started.

[fatum679]

A son for a son. Laenor shall be avenged!

What about Laenor? Where is "son for son" for him? Rhaenys and Corlys, have you forgotten your child? You support the killers of your kid? lmao

Everyone "forgot" about him. Also, I'm sure he was killed off-screen in the TV show.

Rhaenys talks about her daughter, but not her son. lmfao

Rhaenyra, have you forgotten about the murder of "this son"?

#anti comparing Helaena with Rhaenyra

[2rats1gogh]

“Luke was such a sweet and innocent boy!”

Girl, he literally mutilated another child *for life* by fucking cutting his eye out at the age of 7 and didn’t even feel remorse when he grew up. He never apologized. He never felt bad. And fucking stop using his age as an excuse. Never in my life, not even at 7 years old I thought that cutting someone’s eye was a good idea. Especially because it wasn’t really in self defense, the Strong boys just got angry at Aemond cause he called them bastards (and was right). And may I remind you; he never felt remorse. Not for a single moment he felt bad about bullying Aemond and mutilating him for life. After all those years he was still gagging about it. How tf is that “sweet innocent boy” behavior?

I would’ve felt sorry about him dying if he showed just a little remorse. If only he apologized to Aemond. But he didn’t. And i don’t care about him dying. He was a violent bully since childhood and never grew out of it. What is there to feel sorry for?

“He was just a child!” So was Aemond. Stop pretending like he lost his eye in his 20s or something. Him being a couple years older than Luke doesn’t change the fact that he was a child as well when he got mutilated in such a horrible way.

[coffeebooksrain18]

Just saw this post and wow I'm disgusted.

So usually I don't do this type of thing as I find it weird but I wasn't gonna reblog this person because I'm someone doesn't want drama. Also for anyone wondering I have blocked them because I don't like their page and mostly because of this post.

So let's start!

Viserys didn't get "bad vibes" he was a neglectful father who forced these children onto his 14 year old wife and then left her. I don't want want here that he was king or that they weren't Aemma’s. Because firstly we know Viserys was there for Rhaenyra so obviously he can find time for his children he just chooses not to do so with the green children. Also the whole they weren't from Aemma argument is funny to me as in the book it is heavily implied Viserys was cheating on Aemma with Alicent (also implied she didn't want it) so obviously it isn't that they aren't from Aemma.

Next this sentence alone shows how TBs can't understand Aegons character. They hate Alicent for hitting him but then want him hit more? Make it make sense. Also yes Alicent hitting Aegon is awful. But you need to keep in mind each time she does she's in high stress situations and we see she wants to hurt Viserys instead. Ie Rhaenyra trying to betroth Helaena to Jace, Aemond losing his eye, Aegon raping a maid. I'm not excusing these actions as they are wrong, I'm only stating you need to see the whole picture before judging the painting.

I truly believe Luc shouldn't have taken Aemonds eye I don't care how scared he was it was cruel and uncalled for. I don't care if he was 6 he had enough time to notice Jace threw sand into Aemonds eye before slicing Aemonds face. Plus he didn't even try and aim for a arm or leg because he could've from where he was on the ground. He chose to stand up and slice Aemonds eye as he already couldn't see to defend himself and I will always say Luc is in the wrong and should have been punished for what he did.

I have made many posts about Helaena, in fact I made one today. But let's go over this again. Helaena had no reason to run to Rhaenyra. She had no reason to trust her nor did Rhaenyra have reason to trust Helaena. Helaena is MARRIED to Aegon, that is her Brother, her Husband, and the Father of her children. I don't care how you all think it was Helaena did the right thing. She chose the people who loved her and cared for her over a woman who in book bad mouthed her and ridiculed her and her siblings in front of all the court.

Now I am done with my rant have a nice day.