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I fucking hate how the Harley Quinn Show devolved from "actually funny satire with solid character work" to "Hey, watch which fan-favorite DC character we shit on this week for no particular reason! We're edgy and subversive please say we're cool"
#anti harley quinn show#i should've known better than give this shit-show another chance after seeing the way they handled Bruce's trauma arc#like#is it just me or are the writers just aiming to piss people off at this point#and before you say “it's satire that's the point”#no#the point of satire is to poke fun at present issues of a medium#it's not meant to be the creator's way to deal with their hate-boner for certain characters#all this aside the show just feels dragged out by this point#like they literally ran out of ideas so they just keep banging the same drum without having a song#so it just becomes noise rather than music
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HOW ARE PEOPLE STILL VOTING FOR HQ SHOW IVY SHE HAS THE MOST BLAND LOOK OF ALL TIME
People think that having pants or being surface perceived as a feminist costume without any depth is more important than being a good costume and it makes me SICK
#AND YEAH ITS SUCH A BLAND COSTUME#The harley quinn show also has such a hold on people which. you know my thoughts on the harley quinn show#Anti harley quinn show
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Danny runs to Gotham after a reveal with his parents gone wrong. Bruce Wayne ends up catching on to the fact that he's a homeless kid in need of a good home. Danny, however, does not want to deal with another rich, potentially-insane, definitely-obsessed A-hole, so he does his best to steer clear of him. Doubly so when Batman takes an interest, as he want to put his hero days behind him.
Eventually, Danny, sick of running and wanting a way to make the two stop hunting him, decides that he should let someone else adopt him instead. Cut to him being found by Harley Quinn, who decides that she should totally pull a Bruce and adopt this black-haired, blue-eyed child. Hopefully Ivy won't mind!
#dc x dp#dpxdc#dp x dc#dp x dc prompt#danny phantom#danny fenton#poison ivy#harley quinn#batman#Ivy is hesitant at first#she does eventually warm up to Danny#Harley and Ivy are anti-heroes#Not going completely crazy anymore but still willing to do less morally right stuff#They do eventually figure out Danny's powers but don't care#Catwoman is his aunt#She shows him how to pickpockets#Batman is upset that he wasn't able to adopt this child#The Joker breaks out at one point and Danny beats him to a pulp#Both because he hates clowns and for Mama Harley#He got so many hugs and presents afterwards
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Five ways the Harley Quinn show is better than spindlehorse.
1. It’s sex positive. In Helluva boss and Hazbin sex is selectively respected, and there are many jokes about STDs. Meanwhile in the Harley quinn show when Joker tries to insult Harley based on her HPV, Bane educates him on how most sexually active adults have it, and it’s never mentioned again really. The eat bang kill comic has a sex worker character who is both a sympathetic character and isn’t a victim of sex work. It’s not perfect, season four blows and it basically ruined nightwing butt jokes, but that’s an outlier and you know vizie wouldn’t have take four seasons to do even worse, and even then the joke isn’t shaming anyone for being horny.
2. The show actually centers and explores the sapphic relationship at the center of it all. It’s deranged how in Hazbin which is supposed to be a wildly raunchy adult cartoon, there is no indication that Charlie and Vaggie ever had sex, or ever wanted to. If you cut adam from the show I could believe that angels never have sexual feelings. While Harley Quinn on the other hand consistently centers these two as a couple, like even if they hadn’t become a canon relationship the two would have been infinitely more shippable than Chaggie are, and once they did they were just the best.
3. I never get the feeling that the show is written by someone who doesn’t know how to swear. A character talking like she doesn’t know how to swear is actually played for laughs when it happens because it’s meant to be her having uncharacteristically lost control of the situation.
4. The show cares about its premise. It’s not secretly about another thing. Season 2 kinda did that with Harlivy but they’re the main characters and their dynamic is central to the series. The show is about Harley Quinn’s quest to become a great villain and her relationship with Ivy, until season 3 which is about that but also Harley’s redemption which leads to her being a hero. But before then the story continues to explore this stuff instead of finding some new stuff. There’s no half an episode dedicated to some unimportant side characters.
5. The humor seems to be better from what I remember. No one is just saying crass shit to no one, they have humorous conversations. Not much I can describe but the humor I remember shows self-awareness.
#hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel critical#hazbin hotel criticism#anti hazbin hotel#helluva boss critical#helluva boss criticism#helluva boss#helluva boss critique#hazbin hotel critique#harley quinn#harley quinn show
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I love it when the shows Lily likes makes fun of people like her.
#lily orchard#lily orchard critical#anti lily orchard#lily peet#lily orchard stuff#lorch posting#youtube#liquid orcard#eldritch lily#harley quinn#harley quinzel#harley quinn show#dc comics#dcu#dc universe#batman#batfam
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Batman is not "pro-police" and is sure as hell not a Republican
Some people are under the impression that Batman is pro-police, but that is literally so inaccurate. Batman is for police reform and accountability, and he will personally do it himself if he has to. He is anti-gun and believes a police officer should never shoot unless absolutely necessary. He wouldn't have become Batman if he thought the police were competent. He only works with Jim Gordon, because he thinks most of the police are incompetent. He would and has fist fought with dirty cops. He thinks that getting rid of corrupt cops (and politicians) is an important part of making Gotham a better place. He prefers giving petty criminals jobs and social resources rather than having them arrested.
He is not just for police reform but also prison reform, because he believes the point of prisons should be about rehabilitating inmates. He believes that no one is beyond rehabilitation. That is borderline one of his character flaws. He hires former inmates so they can make a living without turning back to crime. He even has a halfway house that former convicts can stay in until they get figuratively back on their feet. He prefers eradicating crime by addressing the root cause, which is often poverty and a lack of social resources.
AND ANOTHER THING- There's this idea that Gotham is a shithole because Bruce isn't doing enough with his wealth, but that doesn't take into account that he is nowhere near the only billionaire in Gotham. He's up against the Court of Owl elites, and a lot of them are board members for Wayne Enterprises and have a say in what the company can and can not do. The Court of Owls plays a heavy roll in politics and most politicians are puppets of the Court and mobs. Politicians that aren't corrupt get killed by the bad guys for refusing to obey. Look at what happened to Harvey Dent. Look at how much money he has funneled into Arkham to no avail. Bruce can not own and control every aspect of every major business in Gotham. No person should have a monopoly on an entire city.
#I saw someone say he was a Reagan Republican because he's pro-police and pro-military#bitch where#He's for police reform and prison reform#He supports giving former convicts another chance#(not a “second chance” because a lot of them have had a lot more chances than that)#This man believes that even his villains can be reformed#He's even friendly with former villains like Harley Quinn#He showed concern for her when she was in an abusive relationship with the Joker#He's even sympathetic and shows kindness to villains like Mr. Freeze#He's anti-guns and pro-gun control#he's a strong proponent of funding social services and rooting out corruption#HE'S DOING HIS BEST#GOTHAM JUST REALLY SUCKS#Batman#Bruce Wayne#Gotham
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The way a college centered Scooby Doo show could’ve worked but they executed it in the worst way possible. Every American ever is born a Scooby Doo fan, it’s just science. So for the show to just viscerally not understand the characters to a degree that is confusing makes no sense. Fred, for instance, I’d know for being the most golden retriever good boy in existence. Making him any flavor of mean, rude, misogynistic, is such a disservice. Making all of the characters mean aside from a little sass goes against the mystery gang. This is where I think shows like The Harley Quinn Show succeed where Velma failed. The Harley Quinn Show understood its characters but emphasized some of the characters most known traits to a comical degree. Still they managed to fundamentally keep the characters base the same. Batman, for instance, is still the caped crusader but his brooding is upped for comedic effect.
#velma show#scooby doo#scooby gang#the harley quinn show#why do adults reboot shows and make the character mean plus drugs#Velma#not a fan of what they did with Gordon but I guess they were going for a bumbling cop#anti-Velma#hbo velma
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The Harley Quinn show started out as a kinda funny, kinda sweet, really vulgar, really violent parody of DC.
Based on everything I’ve seen for seasons 3 & 4… it’s fully devolved into what I expected from the start: “sex + violence = funny.” Probably gonna throw in some racism too.
I’m neither disappointed nor surprised.
#they really made Nightwing brown#and then decided to sexualize him as a plot point#he’s an SA survivor to boot#anti harley quinn#harley quinn animated series#harley quinn show#dc comics#dc#dc animation#dc animated series
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#drawing#tv show#2020s#20s#2010s#10s#warner bros discovery#warner bros#dc comics#dc#harley quinn#genderbend#alternate universe#au#wb#max#comics#superheroes#superhero#anti hero#supervillain#wbd#wba#warner bros animation
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so, obviously there's plenty to criticize about HQTAS, but are we ready to talk about how invasive and uncomfortable it actually was that Psycho projected Harley & Ivy having sex to all of Gotham and we got "humorous little comments" from the peanut gallery (including Harley's abusive ex) and idk ig we're supposed to just ignore that immense violation of privacy and Consent. Like am I supposed to genuinely believe that Ivy wouldn't have gutted that freak for that?? He mind controlled her, tried to force her to murder her best friend and then essentially projected their sex tape to an entire city without their consent.
He shouldn't have walked out of that building alive.
I mean, honestly his whole role doesn't particularly make sense cause he's a violent raging sexist. On a team with Harley & Ivy. Especially around Ivy, even if she wasn't technically part of the team, she was just about always there. As if she wouldn't have heard him say 1 single, completely out of line, offensive bullshit and ended him without a second thought. He can't use his mind powers to stop her if she's already lodged a vine into his throat ¯\_ʘ‿ʘ_/¯
but oh no, it's just so impossible to make a comedy show that doesn't feature a prominent male character who's entire purpose is to put down / make fun of women and make gross, insensitive jokes about them cause "haha, sexism amirite? LOL"
#harley quinn#harleen quinzel#poison ivy#pamela isley#harlivy#I'm not gonna tag the show cause idk if there's an actual anti tag and just tagging the girlies is good enough for me skdjks#and if you like psycho well#that sounds like a personal problem#🙃
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Im proud of this drawing! Really used 100% of my brain to color it
#harley quinn show#harley quinn#dc heroines#dc villains#dc anti-heros#dc universe#dc fanart#my fanart#traditional drawing#traditional art#alcohol markers#drawing#draw this in your style#:> <3#artists on tumblr#non binary artist
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i would genuinely love a red hood show like the harley quinn show. a feel-good, comedy series that follows jason coming back from the dead and becoming red hood, getting his crew, becoming a crime lord, interacting with the bats and the rogues- it would be so fun, i'm convinced
jason's dark humour, stupid moments between him and bruce (less angsty and more bruce being an awkward dad), cute dad-son moments between him and harvey where harvey brags about jason and jason being so over it, the other rogues being so irritated by jason because he keeps foiling their plans, harley and him bonding over how shitty joker was (he's dead), and overall jason just being super fun to watch.
because let's be honest, jason is literally the kind of anti-hero character who would be so engaging to watch as a main character in a dark comedy.
#the heads in a duffel bag situation would be hilarious in a show like harley quinn#just the blunt reactions and overall what the fuck-ness of it all#jason would thrive in a show like this#because shows like these are just stupid and that's what makes it fun#like people who hate jason can make the show and it would still be funny#jason todd#red hood#batman#dc#harley quinn#the harley quinn show#harvey dent#gotham rogues#(( writing 💌 ))
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what my 65yo father has to say about antis:
let me preface this by saying, i literally wish i had what just happened on video to go viral on TikTok. i was shook by this conversation down to my bones; and if you could see my father - a loud old Italian man with dramatic hand gestures - say what he had to say, i think this shit would blow up. but as i was obviously not filming him while we were eating, i will have to relay to you the story with my words.
so i'm sitting eating dinner at the coffee table with my father while watching TV, as Americans often do instead of eating at the dinner table, and since the news was on he started telling me this story that had been recently mentioned on TV once again from maybe ten years ago (it was in 2014, you can read about it here) where these two 12-year-old girls killed one of their friends as a sacrifice to the Slender Man. yeah, real thing. fucked up.
and so my father told me about how they interviewed one of the killer's mothers, and when questioned about where her daughter's motive could've come from, she said something along the lines of: you know, when i was a kid, i was into Stephen King and horror - and so when my kid was into that kind of stuff, i didn’t think it was a big deal.
so, of course, my response was "yeah, being into that stuff isn’t a big deal at all - it's normal - but being a sociopath and murdering someone is not normal; it's fucked up. but there's nothing wrong with being into horror stories - they're just stories meant to entertain - it doesn't make you a murderer to enjoy Halloween - but it would if you put on a Michael Myers mask and went out and stabbed people." and, of course, like any sane person, my father agreed with me.
then, continuing this line of conversation, i started talking about the concept of how "fiction isn’t reality," and how a frightening amount of people don't understand that; and i literally started telling him about antis - people on the internet who attack and harass others over "problematic" or "inappropriate" fictional interests.
i used well-known pop culture examples like: if you're into Game of Thrones and like Jaime and Cersei together or wanted Jon and Daenerys to end up together (i didn't think he would process the term "shipping," but clearly by the end of this conversation i think i was wrong), that people (antis) will say things like "you should die," and that you "support inc*st in real life," and that "you're disgusting."
i also used the examples of "toxic relationships" in pop culture, like the Joker and Harley Quinn, or Kylo Ren and Rey, and how if you’re into those kinds of fictional relationships that people (antis) will say that you "support toxic relationships," and that you are "glorifying abuse," and that it all "must be what you really want and believe is right or good."
and my fucking 65-year-old father literally goes: "I don’t understand. It’s a TV show. Don't they know it’s fake?"
queue my jaw dropping to the fucking ground because i'm like. YES. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT PRO-SHIPPERS ARE TRYING TO SAY AND THESE PEOPLE DON'T GET IT.
he was flabbergasted, my pals. the shock in his eyes was incredible to behold.
and, oh boy, that isn't even the best part, guys.
my father then says, "Don’t tell me it’s like that with anime too?"
and i said, "it's worse with anime."
and i fucking swear to you - no joke, on my life and baby Jesus' cradle - again my 65-year-old father looks at me and says, “It’s a fucken cartoon."
... ... ...
... i can't ...
i can't end this post better than that.
#anti anti#anti harassment#proship#proshipper#proshipping#pro ship#pro fiction#pro shipper#pro shipping#profic#comship#proship safe#comship safe#proship positivity#anti censorship#ship discourse#fiction is not reality#fiction is fiction#ship and let ship
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batman adaptations either seem to have kind of an anti-time period thing going on (vaguely in date tech with vaguely advanced tech and for some reason everyones always wearing a suit and the women always have 1950/ haircuts and dresses) or are pretty accurate to the time period they were made in without being corny abt it but i want a gotham that is in a decidedly unsexy time period. i want a batman adaptation that takes place in 2009. bruce wayne wears a fedora with an otherwise casual outfit bc its fashionable for the time. harley quinn has denim shorts over pattered forever21 leggings. ed nygma owns stuff from that weird era where everything has a mustache on it. selena kyle wears a zebra print dress with a brightly colored neon bra showing thru it and shes seen as the hottest woman in the world. the iceburg lounge plays fire burning by sean kingston. do you see my vision here
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Just saw a popular post positing Dick Grayson as a silly, goofy man and “Bruce’s favorite” as if their relationship isn’t contentious at the best of times. Once again reminded that batfam is dumb and ignores everyone’s characterizations.
The fake person I made up: you’re saying you don’t like a happy batfam?
Me: No, I don’t want a happy batfam. I don’t want Bruce Wayne to be a good “dad” or mentor. At best, he tries and falls short because he isn’t suited to properly caring for others.
I don’t want dunce, can’t cook, nerfed Dick Grayson, I want one who’s just as cold and calculating as Bruce can be. One that suffers from perfectionism and anger issues because Bruce demands so much and this orphaned boy needed a father, not an adult child soldier.
I want a Dick Grayson that’s angry that his supposed “family” failed him and literally left him with amnesia and blamed him for it. I want the Dick Grayson who moved to New York instead of Gotham because even nuclear fallout can’t make him be near Bruce.
I want a Dick that resents Bruce. A Dick Grayson that considers John his real father and hates that he’s still so much like Bruce regardless.
I want a Jason Todd who keeps his distance because Bruce keeps making the same mistakes. I want a Jason Todd that kills because Bruce’s views should be challenged. I want a Jason Todd who is independent of the Batfam and does his own thing.
I don’t want the edgy, street trash Jason. I want the excited boy who had his joy beaten out of him.
I want a Tim Drake that’s still Red Robin. I want the neurotic kid who cloned his bf(f) like 99 times, accidentally killed Cass’s mom, and goes toe to-toe with Ra’s al-Ghul. The kid who’s morals are a little more suspect. The one with the potential to go Savior.
I want Barbara Gordon as Oracle. I want the Barbara with the sirens. I want the Barbara who wouldn’t kiss Jason and berate Dick for his amnesia.
I want a Cassandra Cain that’s utilized more.
I don’t want a happy batfam because there is no reality in which a batfam can be healthy. Bruce dedicated his life to “vengeance.” The man is focused on the mission. He will lie, manipulate, and use people. Bruce Wayne is the kind of man who keeps a list on how to kill his teammates despite being against killing. Bruce Wayne is paranoid and needed a child to rein in his murderous rage. Bruce Wayne beat Dick into faking his death. Even is his best iterations, he’s a paranoid recluse who can’t distinguish between himself and the mask.
I think batfam is fun…crack. I consider it crack. This urge to make them close and loving feels so out of character at times. I’m not saying none of them have positive relationships. I love Dick and Damian as close brothers. I think Tim and Jason are funny at times. BUT if any superhero family should be fucked and full of tension, it’s the bats. The supers and speedsters can be healthy. Maybe, maybe the arrows, but not the bats.
#bruce wayne#bruce wayne is a bad dad#dc comics#anti batfamily#anti batfam#dick grayson#jason todd#tim drake#cassandra cain#barbara gordon#Harley Quinn show did it better and that’s saying something
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Hello! While scrolling between random hurt/comfort fica I stumbled into a batfamily one and decided to give it a shot and now I am curious about this fandom! Never read any dc/marvel comic and watched maybe a couple of superhero movies so I have basically 0 knowledge about batman except that Robin is his apprentice but also apparently there's multiple Robins??
Can I have a general fandom/family introduction? I'm very confused but also really curious since I'm an avid found family enjoyer :)
What the heck is this fandom?
If you're reading this, you probably either a) want to get into comics but aren’t sure where to start or b) found yourself plopped in the middle and don't know what's going on.
DC Comics encompasses a wide range of characters and storylines with varying levels of popularity, and is home to some of the most iconic figures like Superman and Wonder Woman. What often happens in the DC and Marvel fandoms is that rather than trying to engage with everything, many fans will have a certain subset of content that they focus on. Sometimes it's a single character, sometimes it's a team like the Justice League, or sometimes it's a superhero family unit such as the Flash Family.
This blog primarily focuses on the batfamily, which is the group of characters that operate as Gotham City vigilantes centered around Batman. Some are legally/biologically related, some aren't. Generally speaking, the batfamily fandom is one of the larger subgroups within the DC fandom because so many of the comics revolve around these characters.
Who is Batman?
Are you living under a rock
Batman, AKA Bruce Wayne, begins with the infamous tragic origin where his parents were shot dead in an alleyway when he was 8, leaving him an orphan to be raised by his butler/surrogate father figure, Alfred Pennyworth. Once Bruce got a little older, he donned the costume to deal with criminals directly and bring justice to the city.
His civilian identity is Bruce Wayne, the (and I say this begrudgingly) billionaire CEO of his family's company, Wayne Enterprises. The company makes a little of everything and keeps Gotham afloat with job creation and philanthropy. Nothing unethical about one rich guy running an entire city.
His alter ego is Batman, and he uses his wit and extensive training to fight an array of both petty criminals as well as big-name villains like the Joker, the Riddler, Two-Face and more (collectively known as the Gotham Rogues gallery).
NOTE: some former villains, like Harley Quinn, have been rebranded as anti-heroes.
Batman operates out of a hidden cave (yes, a literal cave) under Wayne Manor known as the Batcave. This is where he keeps all sorts of high-tech paraphanalia, including his Batmobile, bat-plane, batarangs (bat boomerangs), and a powerful computer known as—you guessed it—the Batcomputer.
Batman's primary love interest is a former villain known as Catwoman, AKA Selina Kyle, who is a master thief. (Her backstory includes growing up with an abusive father and turning to stealing for survival.) She's since reformed and has been indicted into the Justice League. They're really cute if you don't think about how they're technically two furries who roleplay as cops and robbers.
NOTE: in an alternate timeline, Bruce dies as a child in that alley as Thomas Wayne becomes Batman while Martha Wayne becomes the Joker.
Okay, what about... Robin? Robins?
There's a lot to unpack here.
The OG Robin is Dick Grayson. Yes, we still call him Dick in the year 2022. He was a child acrobat who was part of a trio, The Flying Graysons, with his parents, John and Mary, in a traveling circus called Haly's Circus. Haly's stopped in Gotham, where a crime boss named Tony Zucco tried to get them to pay protection money. When Haly refused, Zucco sabotaged the trapezes and Dick's parents fell to their deaths. Bruce was at that show and because Orphans Unite or whatnot, he takes little Dick under his wing as a ward (not legally adopted at this point, Bruce is in his early to mid 20s). Dick joins Batman's crusade as the colorful pantsless sidekick known as Robin. As Robin, he also became the leader of what would eventually be a multigenerational superhero team known as the Teen Titans.
The second Robin is Jason Todd. He grew up in Gotham's notorious Crime Alley, where his mother, Catherine, was a substance user and his father, Willis, was an overall piece of garbage. After his father goes to jail and his mother dies of an overdose, Jason is essentially an orphan left to fend for himself on the streets. His run-in with Batman happens when he tries to steal to Batmobile tires to sell, and instead of getting punished, he gets adopted. Legally, this time. So while Dick is the oldest, Jason is Bruce's first kid. Jason takes on the Robin mantle and fights crime, yada yada. What he's well-known for is his death, where he set out to Ethiopia to find his biological mother, Sheila Haywood, and is killed by the Joker. Then Superman breaks reality and Jason comes back to life, spends some time with the League of Assassins, and gets rebranded as a crime lord/anti-hero with a hell of a grudge against Bruce for not avenging him.
While Jason was dead, we get our third Robin and the first one with pants: Tim Drake. Tim is actually Bruce's neighbor (the way rich people can be neighbors with spaced-out properties). He grew up with wealthy but neglectful parents, Janet and Jack Drake, who often left Tim home alone as a small child while they went on their archeology expeditions. Tim takes an interest in the Gotham vigilantes and sets out to follow them around and gather evidence to figure out who they are. Eventually, he deduces Bruce, Dick, and Jason's identities by some moves unique to the Flying Graysons. Then, Tim basically blackmails Bruce into letting him be Robin and has his own teenage superhero team called Young Justice. After the Robin title is taken away from him, he becomes Red Robin (yes, like the restaurant chain) and while everyone thinks Batman is dead during this time, Tim is the only one who believes otherwise. Also, his mom drinks poison, dad is killed by a boomerang, best friend is killed by an evil clone, other best friend is also killed by an evil clone, girlfriend dies (see below), assassins steal his spleen, and now he's bisexual and dating a boy who creates conspiracy theories.
NOTE: In an alternate timeline, Carrie Kelley becomes the third Robin.
Robin #4 is Stephanie Brown. She actually didn't become Robin until well into her vigilante career. She actually made a name for herself as Spoiler with the purpose of taking down her father, a D-list Gotham villain known as Cluemaster. Similar to everyone in this franchise, her childhood wasn't ideal as her father was always up to criminal activities and her mother worked a lot as well as (in some versions) used drugs. She later becomes the fifth Batgirl and then Robin before her death in the 2005 War Games comics, where she is killed when she seeks out a villain against Batman's orders. She then returns from the dead and goes back to being Spoiler. She also dated Tim and was a fairly long-running relationship before they broke up. She also had a teen pregnancy at one point (not by Tim) and had a daughter that she put up for adoption.
Robin #5 is Damian Wayne, the biological son of Bruce Wayne and Talia Al Ghul (daughter to Ra's Al Ghul, leader of a villainous organization known as the League of Assassins). Damian was raised in the League of Assassins for the first half of his childhood, where he was trained to be the heir to Ra's Al Ghul's empire. Talia brought him to Bruce when he was ~10 to refine his skills with Batman. However, that kind of goes awry when Bruce fakes his death and Damian is raised by Dick instead. Damian also becomes a Teen Titans leader as well as forms a friendship with Jon Kent, son of Superman (please read Super Sons, it's adorable). Damian is then killed by his oversized evil clone and is brought back to life on the planet Apokolips (no one stays dead istg).
Duke Thomas's relationship with the Robin mantle is a little more complicated. Duke first shows up as a really intelligent kid who solves one of the Riddler's puzzles. Later on, he becomes the leader (aided by Alfred Pennyworth) of a group of teenage vigilantes known as We Are Robin, who helped take care of Gotham crime while Batman was missing. His parents were, for a lack of a better term, disabled after one of the Joker's gas attacks (seriously, someone euthanize this clown). Bruce takes Duke under his wing and Duke rebrands himself as the Signal. He's unique from other Gotham heroes in a couple aspects: 1) he fights crime in the daytime instead of night and 2) he has photokinetic superpowers. (He's also dating one of the We Are Robins members, Izzy Ortiz.)
What about the others, like Batwoman and Batgirl?
Similar to Robin, Batgirl is a title held by multiple people. The first Batgirl was Bette Kane (who is now Flamebird), but the most well-known one was the second one, Barbara Gordon. Barbara (Babs for short) is the daughter of Gotham police commissioner Jim Gordon. Inspired by other Gotham heroes, she became Batgirl behind her parents' back and worked in tandem with Bruce and Dick, forming a relationship with Dick along the way. She became a quadriplegic after getting shot by the Joker but refused to step down from the field, instead using her intelligence and technological capabilities to surveil and provide intel under a new moniker, Oracle. She also has her own team, the Birds of Prey, which includes people like Huntress and Black Canary.
After Barbara, the next Batgirl is Cassandra Cain (who is also Bruce's only legal daughter in the main continuity). She is the daughter of David Cain and an assassin known as Lady Shiva. Cass was raised by David within the League of Assassins and trained to be a fighting machine, similar to Damian. She was raised in isolation without speech or literacy, but can read body language really well. Her first kill was when she was 8, and that traumatized her so much that she ran away, wandering around until eventually reaching Gotham and becoming both Bruce and Barbara's ward. She holds other titles like Black Bat along the way but is most known as Orphan. She also befriends Stephanie, had a short relationship with Superboy (Conner Kent) and, like half the people here, dies and comes back. Depending on who you talk to, some people keep her lack of speech, some have her speaking, and some prefer an in-between.
Stephanie was Batgirl after Cass. See above.
Kate Kane is Batwoman and Bruce Wayne's cousin. She grew up similarly wealthy in a high-level military family, often moving around as a child. Her twin sister and mother were killed in a terrorist attack in Belgium, leaving her father to raise her. She got into West Point military academy but was expelled in her final year after coming out as lesbian under the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy. After that, she spent a year on an island civilization before returning to Gotham. After Batman saved her from a mugging, Kate bought some equipment on the black market and trained herself to become Batwoman. Also, we as a fandom don't talk about her flamethrower gloves enough.
NOTE: in an alternate timeline, Carrie Kelley was also Batgirl and Batwoman.
Harper Row is Bluebird, and similar to Batwoman, she is a mostly independent Gotham hero who was inspired by Batman. Growing up, Harper often had to take care of things like household repairs and look after her younger brother, Cullen, because their father was abusive and didn't do anything for them. Eventually, she sought emancipation and got them out of there, but things still weren't easy. She went to college, but had to drop out and get a job in order to provide for her and her brother. She became Bluebird after Batman saved her and Cullen, engineering her own weapons like a giant taser. Fun fact: she's bi and her brother is gay.
This is still really confusing. Who's who right now?
Canon sucks so here's what the fandom largely know them as:
Bruce is Batman. He might have some suit modifications or occasionally pilot a giant bat robot, but he's Batman
Dick is Nightwing. He took over as Batman for a short period of time, but after Bruce returned, he went back to being Nightwing we don't talk about Ric
Jason is Red Hood. That was actually the Joker's previous title but now Jason holds it
Tim is... usually Robin or Red Robin, it kinda depends on context. Canonically he's back to being Robin now, but a lot of us still refer to him as Red Robin
Damian is Robin. He had the alias Redbird at one point but everyone calls him Robin
Duke is the Signal. Again, there were some alias changes (like Lark) but he's the Signal around here
Stephanie is Spoiler, but again, it depends on context
Cassandra is usually referred to as Orphan, but you'll occasionally see Batgirl or Black Bat depending on who you talk to
Barbara was rehashed as Batgirl in recent canon but we all hate the disability erasure so you'll see a lot of us still call her Oracle
Harper is Bluebird. I don't recall her having any other titles. Her brother isn't a vigilante
Selina (yes, she's part of the batfamily) is Catwoman
Alfred is... Alfred. On the field he goes by Agent A and his previous spy career often comes in handy
This isn't the sum of it. There are a whole bunch of other bat characters (Bette Kane, Luke Fox, Jean-Paul Valley, Helena Bertinelli, Terry McGinnis, etc.) that I didn't get into here partly because I don't focus on them as much and partly because of space. I also didn't get into all the lore for characters I did explain, like Dick's police career or other teams/relationships. There are also some inconsistencies between different timelines and reboots.
I encourage you to explore beyond what I presented with other heroes and villains since I know Batman isn't for everyone. I also encourage you to explore the comics, talk to people, and figure out for yourself what characters or storylines best fit you. Don't be afraid to take your time, either. We've been here nearly a century. We're not going anywhere.
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