#anti dave karofsky

[swiftiesbuddie]

You know who T*mmy reminds me of? Dave Karofsky from Glee.

Sure T*mmy didn’t physically harm Hen or Chim, but he was still homophobic, racist, and misogynistic towards them. And now people are trying to use his queerness as an excuse.

[angelhummel]

Controversial?? There is no way that Kurt and Karofksy could have had a romantic/sexual relationship after all the bullying. They had no common ground whatsoever.

Hmmm agree. I think after three years of bullying and a forced kiss and threatening to kill someone, the best you could hope for after is just managing to become decent friends. Not gonna pretend Karofsky didn't have leaps and bounds of character development (he had the development people claim Santana had. There's an unpopular opinion within an unpopular opinion) but still. It's a lot of trauma to have to put behind you and quite frankly I don't think it's worth the effort. Not like Karofsky doesn't deserve romance, just with someone new where he can have a completely clean slate with them

[kismetconstellations]

Kurt Hummel & Quinn Fabray

Kurt Hummel

OTP: I can't say that I have one. I ship Kurt with a variety of men, and none of them named Blaine, but I don't believe that there's a true standout. Though, I do tend to lean toward Kurt/Dave Karofsky. All of the missed and wasted potential there pains me when I think too hard on it. BroTP: Kurt and Mercedes Jones, how I miss you. Kurt and Finn Hudson and Kurt and Sam Evans also have some sweet moments. OT3: Nothing comes to mind. NoTP: Kurt/Blaine Anderson. I wasn't a fan when the show was airing, am currently not a fan nearly a decade after it's ended, and never will be a fan.

Quinn Fabray

OTP: Quinn/Rachel Berry. Was it consistently written? No. But, the chemistry between Dianna Agron and Lea Michele was off the charts from the moment these characters first interacted onscreen, and I've yet to see a heterosexual explanation that truly justifies Quinn's absolutely heartbroken reaction when Rachel nods a tentative affirmative that she was "singing that song just for Finn and only Finn". BroTP: Quinn and Sam, Quinn and Mercedes (yet another good thing that Ryan Murphy and Co. tossed aside and left to rot), Quinn and Artie Abrahams, and, tentatively and primarily in fanfiction where it's handled well, Quinn and Santana Lopez. OT3: I suppose Sam/Quinn/Rachel, maybe? I know that Santana/Quinn/Rachel is another popular one, but my feelings toward romantic Quinn/Santana are very mixed. NoTP: Quinn/Finn, Quinn/Noah Puckerman, and basically Quinn/Any man the show ever tried to pair her with who isn't Sam. (And, even then, I align completely with the headcanon that Quinn is a repressed lesbian.)

Thank you so very much for asking! ❤ I apologize if any of my answers are lackluster, or not particularly interesting.

[sapphic-agent]

For some reason, people assume that those of us that hate Andersofsky due to Karofsky being "unattractive" and that we'd be fine if it was Sebastian. I can't speak for anyone else, but that isn't true for me. Not only because I couldn't give a less of a fuck about Sebastian (or the fact that Blaine could have picked literally anyone else).

Personally, I just think that Dave deserved better than to be used as a plot device for Klaine

[cuntycassandra]

CuntyCassandra’s Glee Masterlist 🎼

I would just like to clarify that there was a member of the glee fandom, specifically in the Sebastian community, who often tried to take credit for my ideas, and even began mirroring my real life illnesses. So I’d just like to clarify if you see a post linked on this masterlist, it came from either my brain alone, or it was founded with @floatyteabag

Glee Gossip: By Summer

Posts where I talk about all things Glee related through in depth analysis essays on dialogue, acting and design choices. Or sometimes I just have a fun preference that I think needs sharing!

- Sebastian Smythe and Sugar Motta friendship.

- Why I dislike the parental abuse trope regarding Sebastian Smythe.

- Sebastian’s clothing design choices (askew tie).

- Holding character grudges VS holding them accountable.

- Underlying Sebastian Smythe’s development.

- Kurtbastian VS Klaine.

- Grant VS Sebastian.

- Jeff and Sebastian friendship

Gushing Sebastian/Warbler Shitposts.

Posts where I gush about Sebastian and the warblers in a less professional manner than I do in the posts above.

Also please keep in mind I am a professional Blaine hater.

- Sebastian Headcanons.

- Sebastian Headcanons: Lapin!

- Sebastian’s Beautiful Eyes.

- Sebastian’s Smile!

- Summer’s gushing love.

- Summer’s gushing love- part 2 electric boogaloo.

- Kurt Hummel Character Ask.

- Warbler Incorrect Quotes

- I’m sorry, I can’t go to work today, I have a cat on my lap.

- Hunter and Mr Puss

- The Warbler theme song.

- Sebastian VS Blue’s Clue’s

- Queer Seb!

- French Sebastian.

- Jeffbastian.

- Nervous Gulp.

- Happy Birthday Grant!

- Anti Blaine Rambling.

- Anti Darren Criss Rambling.

- Gay Cyclops™️

- Nathaniel Smythe!

General Glee content:

The few posts I have that aren’t warbler/kurtbas related.

- Dave Karofsky and Victor Creed.

- Happy Father’s Day, Burt!

- Me and Brittany being one in the same.

Kurtbastian related content:

Pretty self explanatory title on this one.

- Kurtbastian Playlist.

- THEM CORE.

- Them part 2: electric boogaloo.

- Open collar boyfriends!

- Last names until they don’t.

- Chandler VS Kurtbastian.

- Kurtbastian Song Rec from @doctor-whu

- Ranking Sebastian Ships.

- Kurtbastian Ships HCs/Ask.

- Anti season 5 Blaine VS Kurtbastian.

Glee Fanfictions:

My two lonely glee fanfictions.

Credit for this lovely gif goes to @backslashdelta please go check her and the original post out.

- A Glance Through The Hourglass.

- Family, and where we find it.

[pezberry-blatina09]

I’m working on a big Kurtofsky project. Also join my Facebook group.

[diamondcitydarlin]

fcuking hell someone did not just bring up g*ee and dave karofsky in comparison to izzy in the year of our lord 2023 lmaoooo like yes I absolutely made that connection in my head to the way both characters are absolutely REVILED by some people for not being uwu cute young waifish digestible gays and fans of both have been harassed, doxxed, death-threated to eternity but the fact that an anti really SAID it im scrEAMing i hate yall SO fucking much hahahaha

[askthefuturegleeks]

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ooc information 

NAME: C AGE: 28+ PRONOUNS:she/her SHIPS: I’m really not set on anything, I’m open and don’t mind what people do with their characters ANTI-SHIPS: None, I’m open either way and don’t mind what people do with their characters

basic ic information 

NAME/AGE: Dave Karofsky/31 BIRTHDAY/ZODIAC: September 8, Virgo CURRENT OCCUPATION: High School Biology Teacher and Football Coach CURRENT LOCATION: Lima, Ohio RELATIONSHIP STATUS: Single Pringle FC: Max Adler

twitter post 

@COACHKAROFSKY: (It’s a beautiful morning for some coffee and a bagel. Too bad I’m fresh out of coffee, and I don’t like bagels. Oh well, it’s still a beautiful morning) #cestlavie #stillsmiling #findyourreason

in character questions 

Answer these in character, and feel free to add gifs into your answers.

1.) What did you want to do with your life when you were younger? What would the child version of yourself think about the path you paved for yourself?

When I was younger, I really wanted to be a pro ball player. Football, more specifically. I always thought I’d play through college, and then get drafted into the NFL. Obviously, things didn’t happen like that, and that’s totally fine. It wasn’t for me. I think a younger version of me would be proud of myself. And, I’m not just saying that either. Even though I didn’t go pro, I’m doing something I love. I’m learning, I’m growing, and I’m appreciating myself more than I ever have.

2.) What is your proudest accomplishment? Don’t be afraid to talk about what it took to achieve it and how you feel about it as well.

My proudest accomplishment was honestly graduating college. Getting through school- primarily middle and high school- was a challenge I wasn’t prepared for on any level. I made a lot of mistakes, and I did a lot of stuff I’m really not proud of. But, I pushed through. I made it. I survived.

3.) If you could do anything you wanted for one whole day, what would it be and why?

I would start the day off with a nice cup of coffee on my porch, enjoying the sunrise, and just listening to the birds as they sing. Then, I would magically appear at a Bears game, one that would go into overtime, and would be a nail biter to the very end (until they won, of course). I’d have dinner at my favorite cafe in town, and then I’d close the day by reading one of my favorite books.

where are they now?

Dave Ean Karofsky was raised in a loving home, by accepting parents. His father, James, was a salesman with a good career, making more than decent money, though not enough to classify the family as traditionally wealthy. His mother, Kathy, was an art teacher for the majority of his life. Everything seemed happy, healthy, and wholesome within the Karofsky family, though things with Dave often seemed just a *little* bit off. Well-adjusted wasn’t how the majority of people would have ever described Dave as a child. It seemed as though he was always searching for something different, something more, something outside of the traditional Karofsky days.

Moving into middle and high school was tough for Dave, and once he fully realized how truly cutthroat those age groups could be, he knew he had to do something. So, he altered himself. Similar to the color-changing chameleon, Dave began to do whatever he had to in order to fit in. He took up football, changed his personality, and launched himself into popularity. However, once again, no matter what he did or how hard he tried, something just didn’t quite seem to fit. It was that knowledge, that feeling, which began to fuel Dave’s anger. He’d worked so hard to force himself into a mold, he began to feel a sense of anger towards those who simply couldn’t be bothered to care.

Moving into high school, he began to realize exactly what those feelings were, and where they stemmed from. The realization that he was gay was a slow one, and when it finally shifted into a realization, Dave was absolutely lost. His anger grew, as did his discomfort, and his desperation to be what he’d always thought he wanted to be- just like everyone else. Once things came to light, and after all was said and done, Dave was so completely ostracized for who he was, he couldn’t take the pressure. One heartbreaking attempt later, and he began to realize that no matter what the opinions of others were, at the end of the day, they simply didn’t matter.

Once he had that realization, everything changed. Dave became something he couldn’t ever truly remember being- happy. He continued playing football, and passed each of his classes with flying colors. He’d always been intelligent, though allowing himself to fall fully into who he truly was lead him to the top of his class, where he graduated as Salutatorian. College was even better. He continued playing football, though he decided to major in Biology Education, wanting to have an impact on lives during a time that had been so important to him.

During college, Dave met his first boyfriend, and lost his virginity. Things didn’t work out, and that relationship was followed with a string of several others that didn’t work out, though he saw each of them as a lesson, and held no hard feelings. It was no secret that one of his exs, Blaine Anderson, was someone he fell deeply for, though it was another which simply didn’t work out. After college graduation, Dave returned to Lima. Though he hadn’t originally planned to do so, however his mother, Kathy, had fallen ill and his father desperately needed his help. He took a job at McKinley High, and moved in with his parents. After a few years, he bought his own place on the outskirts of town- a peaceful home in the woods, not too close to town but not too far from his mother. Though his mother is still going, she is very ill, and Dave still does what he can to take care of her, and to help his father with anything the pair needs.

[pcraspcra]

NOTE: this blog is on a semi hiatus until I don’t really know.

about the mun

name: clarice pronouns: she/her age: 30 timezone: cst

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low activity, mutuals only multimuse featuring muses from: the mcu, harry potter, glee, and more. vehemently anti-jkr or other assholery.

mobile muse list under the cut!

literature

hermione jean granger (fc: zendaya coleman; 23 in main verse; fandom: harry potter)

lily evans potter (fc: jessica chastain [golden trio era], madelaine petsch [marauders era]; 31-42 in golden trio era, 17-19 in marauders; fandom: harry potter)

bellatrix black lestrange (fc: helena bonham carter [golden trio era], katie mcgrath [marauders era]; 31-42 in golden trio era, 17-19 in marauders; fandom: harry potter)

carmen isabella garcia (fc: ana de armas, 22 in golden trio era; fandom: harry potter)

katniss everdeen (fc: tanaya beatty; 16-34; fandom: the hunger games)

film

james ‘bucky’ barnes (fc: sean teale; 110 in main verse; fandom: mcu)

steven ‘steve’ rogers (fc: chris evans; 110 in main verse; fandom: mcu)

barbara ‘bobbi’ morse (fc: adrianne palicki; 32 in main verse; fandom: mcu)

thor odinsdottir (fc: katheryn winnick; ~1500 years; fandom: mcu **please note my thor is trans mtf; her backstory can be found here**)

annabeth webb (fc: samara weaving and margot robbie; fandom: jumanji)

bethany elise walker (fc: madison iseman; 18 in main verse; fandom: jumanji)

sheldon 'shelly’ oberon (fc: jack black; 39 in main verse; fandom: jumanji)

tv

david 'dave’ karofsky (fc: max adler; 23 in main verse; fandom: glee)

lucy 'quinn’ fabray (fc: dianna agron; 22 in main verse; fandom: glee)

veronica lianne mars (fc: kristen bell; 17-21 in main verse; fandom: veronica mars)

philip j. fry (fc: seth green; 25-35; fandom: futurama)

reginald "red" albert forman (fc: derek theler; 18-28 depending on verse; fandom: that 70's show)

[blanket-hole]

Glee Rant 2x11 (The Sue Sylvester Shuffle)

I was watching when Beiste and Schue decided to put the Glee Club and Football Team together and I just realised how crappy it was. Well, I guess I already knew it was pretty bad but I felt the need to rant about it and I haven't seen anyone else talk about it really so here we are lol

So in this part Mr Schue says “I talked to Coach Beiste about it and the kind of bullying David does is born out of ignorance” and he tells them to “find some common ground” even if they dont like it.

And I get it, they were trying to unite the football team but couldn't they have at least talked to them before? or warned them?

In fact literally one episode before Will goes to visit Kurt at Dalton, in which his only reason for going was shopping advice for sue’s secret Santa 

(also think Will hugging Kurt is creepy and weird but thats not something I want to get into in this. Also, everyone already knows he's creepy by now, anyway, just wanted to mention that as a bonus to my anti will post lol)

If he can travel all that way (I saw in a reddit post that they'd figured out it was about 1h30m drive away but idk if thats right) just to ask about a Christmas present surely he could ask Kurt his opinion on it. 

I know asking an ex-student advice on teaching (although he seems friendly enough to ask about trivial matters like secret Santas) might be a little odd but him and Beiste hadn't been the target of Karofsky’s bullying. Surely asking the person who was literally bullied out of the school by him if he thinks its a good idea to put him in the glee club would be a better idea than just talking to his coach? Or talking to the students and explaining his point of view before practically forcing them into sharing what's supposed to be a safe place where they can express and be themselves with their worse tormentors. 

I get a lot of the bullying in glee was played down and the teachers didn't do much but will at least seemed like he was trying to be sympathetic sometimes. 

Also, one of his famous quotes, “you're all minorities. Youre in the glee club” as god awful as it is, it at least shows that he knows the students feel like outsiders and that this is one of the places (and for some of them the only place) they can be themselves. 

But for some reason, after one conversation with Beiste, he decides to yeet out of the window basically the only thing he had going for him as a teacher/ guardian and fill that safe space with their tormentors. 

Also, as much as I love Beiste usually, at one point (not in this episode I think) she says she was bullied for not being like other kids. Then maybe she could have put herself in their shoes and realised they might not want to be in that situation where the only way they didn't have to spend a week working closely with and enduring their bullies was for them to leave the club for a week. A club which they actually enjoyed and felt safe and a part of rather than the rest of their school lives. 

So to try and conclude this because I feel like its already gone on too long and thankyou for reading this far, I know its messy but so’s the writing of this show so I guess im just staying on theme? Even if they weren't sympathetic enough to their student’s situation (which they should be) to even consult them, surely Beiste could be empathetic and find it fairly easy to put herself in their shoes and figure out they might not want to be forced into being in a room filled with people who made their lives hell. (Also couldn't find it but I swear mr Schue mentioned how he was bullied in high school, but im not completely sure so im not going to say the same for him. However, you dont have to go through the same thing as someone to be empathetic towards them so he's still a twat, but we knew that already). 

So there we go. If you read this thank you, if you didn't I dont know why im saying this because youre obviously not reading. Sorry for the long post and the mess lol. Thankyou and goodnight *mic drop*

[run-joey-run]

Klaine for the honest ship ask

I’m relatively neutral on them tbh. I really enjoyed them in season 2 but that’s pretty much it tbh. Honestly though I think their breakup between seasons 5 and 6 was overkill and I would’ve preferred it if their relationship was just in the background of season 6 and it focused it on them as individuals.

All of this doesn’t include Blaine and Karofsky which almost ruins both Klaine and Blaine for me which is I know is unfair but I can’t help it 😔

[carolinahope]

The way many in the ST fandom react to Billy reminds me of the way the Glee fandom reacted to Dave Karofsky. My reaction to that lack of empathy as well as the characters themselves was pretty similar. Protective shield was activated. 

Dave was a deeply closeted kid battling internalized and outside homophobia. Billy was a queer-coded kid growing up in an abusive household with a racist homophobic violent asshole of a father where no one lifted a finger to help him (which is why the scene with Max and Steve’s bat still makes me deeply uncomfortable). 

People hated Dave because he wasn’t hot enough. People accuse fans of Billy of liking him because he is hot. 

And then the same people turn around and say Jason “white privilege” Carver was better than Billy. That his behaviour is not only understandable but excusable. And my brain just can’t. 

The kid who used the death of people he most probably didn’t give a fuck about when they were alive, to hype up a crowd for a basketball game. Who decided that the cops didn’t act fast enough on the little they had and rounded up his buddies for a witch hunt. Who beat up kids for information. Who bought guns. With the intent to use them. Who again gave a speech to a room full of adults to incite an angry mob to hunt literal children. Who dismissed anything not fitting into his little theory. The republican senator in the making. The white blond blue eyed jock. That one? And they fail to see the complete hypocrisy of accusing Billy fans of excusing his behaviour because Dacre is hot. Make it make sense. 

Billy died a hero. We don’t know what he would have become outside of Neil’s influence because we never got to see it in canon. Maybe he would just be a violent asshole. But everything in canon points in a very different direction and I would have loved to see it play out. But this is not that kind of a show. 

Jason's death was barely a foot note. And that is all he deserved. 

Billy was not a good person. He was however a wonderful example of how hate is learned. And he could and would have unlearned it. Jason would applaud Mitch McConnell and be best buds with the likes of MTG and Madison Cawthorn.  

The hypocrisy and ignorance in many takes on both characters just makes my blood boil. 

Rant Over. 

[angelhummel]

final girl (gender neutral) monster (derogatory)

[tuiyla]

"The male Santana": the unholy trinity of gay bullies (no, not that one)

[This was originally a post on r/glee but posting on here as well]

So we pretty much all know that Ryan Murphy famously described Sebastian as "the male Santana", right? I can't cite this because Glee Wiki almost never cites sources but if you can provide a link, please do. For now, let's just work with this quote without that definitive proof of its existence. Now, I have a bone to pick with this, not just because it's further proof to me that Mr. Murphy didn't, fundamentally, understand his own characters but because I sometimes see fans draw this same conclusion. Sebastian is basically a male Santana. Look, they're both sassy and gay and love to insult or outright bully people! And it's like, whatever, it's a surface-level read but not invalid, as such. What does bother me a bit is that Glee does actually have a "male Santana" who appeared way before Sebastian did and had an actual arc that thematically paralleled Santana's so perfectly in so many ways.

Sebastian Smythe isn't the male Santana; Dave Karofsky is. Here's why.

Karofsky's and Santana's stories run parallel throughout season 2 and they even reach the same crossroads as they become each other's beards. Consider Dave's journey: he begins as your typical jock and bully, his insults feeling very homophobic and targeted from the getgo. He spends all his screentime in season 1 bullying Finn with Azimio for being in Glee and we see a glimpse of how the two treat Kurt in "Theatricality". Karofsky is deliberate and cruel in his treatment of anything he perceives to be different from the norm. In season 2, this becomes even more targeted as he now focuses much if not all of his energy on Kurt, even as Azimio has chilled out a little bit. But not Karofsky; it seems as if Kurt's mere existence as an out gay guy is enough to set him off and escalate his already horrid behaviour. What we find out when Kurt stands up to him is that Karofsky himself is gay, and from there come all the implications. From there, we can clearly see where all that anger towards the non-conforming, the queer was coming from.

Let's switch to Santana for a second, to catch her up to mid-season 2 and also to establish something. To be clear, I'm not saying Dave and Santana both being bullies hold equal weight or both should be condemned, or even forgiven equally. You see, while Santana is very much also a bully, it's a different category altogether and I don't see much value in comparing the two. Except for establishing that while it comes from the same basic place for both of them, Dave's behaviour has always been targeted and specific, and notably extreme, while Santana's bullying tendencies aren't specifically homophobic or even against the non-conforming, and she certainly isn't picky about her targets. Like I said, different behaviours, both because of their differing personalities and importantly because of their gender and circumstances. All that said I do want to make a distinction between Santana's mean, at times even cruel comments and petty actions, and Karofsky's particular brand of abuse of Kurt which included a threat on Kurt's life. Pretending that even at her worst Santana was Dave in early season 2 levels bad would be pretty disingenuous.

So that out of the way, Santana. Santana's journey in the first two seasons is about navigating the high school social hierarchy while negotiating her own identity as a lesbian within that. At first, it's all about hooking up with boys and only being with Brittany for the male gaze, or as something that doesn't mean anything. (More on Santana and her comphet another day.) As the series goes on and she's not only confronted with what her relationship with Brittany really means but also her facade of being with men crumbling, she grows desperate and even more angry than she's been so far. Because she has been angry, she's been so at odds with herself ever since she first appeared.

Both Dave and Santana are so angry to have grown up in a world where being gay is not okay. Where their true feelings have been repressed from early on and where they learned how to conform. Dave put up this super macho front and lashed out at anyone who dared to strain from that, reaffirming his own standing as a straight guy both to the outside world and himself. Santana started getting with guys to reaffirm the same, while also earning herself a high social status in the process as the hot cheerleader who "never says no" and makes out with another hot cheerleader. And her anger about not being her true self, like with Karofsky, was externalized in a way that hurt anyone and everyone, especially those who dared to question this illusion she created - for example, her lashing out at Brittany when Britt wants to talk about what they have going on.

All of this takes them to late season 2, where Santana is doing mental gymnastics trying to figure out a way to be with Brittany without having to be vulnerable and open about her identity, and where Dave has been so taken aback by Kurt's bravery and his new relationship with Blaine. The Santofsky ~relationship~ is obviously fake and comes about in a really messed up way, with Santana blackmailing Dave, but it's still a narrative crossroads where these two finally meet and enable each other to hide themselves. One could argue that they at least stop their cruel treatment of others, with Santana getting Dave to apologize to Kurt and they even form the Bully Whips - ironic, of course, what with the two of them being a major part of McKinley's bullying problem.

But still, the fake relationship stops both of them from having to confront reality. Santana has the opportunity to be with Brittany, openly, but she can't. Even though the whole Karofsky beard thing was a convoluted plan supposedly about getting with Brittany, here Santana is continuing the lie instead. And it's not like it isn't a comfortable lie for Dave, that is until he's elected as the Prom King to Kurt's Prom Queen and runs away out of the same fear that made Santana run earlier.

One could argue their similarities extend beyond season 2. In season 3, both are outed under different circumstances and both their lives change drastically because of that. Neither were ready; neither deserved what happened to them. It's one of the many Glee things I'm forever sad about that we never got to see Santana react to the Karofsky situation in season 3. But regardless of the fact that their paths never again cross, we do eventually see both grow into their own identities and lead much happier, calmer lives.

After all that it almost feels redundant to point out that Sebastian has none of that. He's a cocky, very openly (homo)sexual guy who's flirting with Blaine so unabashedly. Meanwhile, Santana is melting into puddles when pretty girls stare at her for too long and stutters with underboob sweat when she's being flirted with. Yes, they're both confident in their insults and stand their ground against each other, "one bitch to another", but their clever quips and willingness to be dramatic is where the similarities begin and end. Sebastian never struggles with his identity nor does he go through meaningful change. Thematically he doesn't even begin to compare to Dave.

And look, there's nothing wrong with liking Sebastian and Santana's dynamic and thinking their scenes are good, or that Sebastian has a similar energy to Santana in his confidence during verbal takedowns. But is he the male Santana? Or is he the more conventionally attractive guy who had a charged duet with her during a brief rivalry, while Dave Karofsky's journey actually paralleled and crossed hers?

(Obligatory disclaimer that just because I think Santana's and Dave's struggles are understandable given the internalized homophobia they struggle with, their actions aren't justified or excused because of this. Their stories are compelling because we can empathize with them while also acknowledging their actions as wrong and harmful, and root for them to get better and get to a point where they don't take their anger out on others but can instead find happiness, comfortable in their identities.)

[monsterboyfriend]

I finished Glee S6 a few weeks ago and I gotta say, not exactly the Dave content I was hoping for. And my expectations were already pretty low. Like, I knew he was reintroduced purely as an obstacle to Klaine, but I was still hoping for at least one meaningful conversation with Kurt about the previous seasons, similar to S3's The First Time, but with everything that's gone on since then. His character feels a bit stale, like he doesn't even seem to have his own motivations or exist independently from the plot (which you don't even have to give him his own plot to fix, just give him opinions about things, allow him to be hurt, etc.)

I was also very disappointed in Blaine when it came to Blaineofsky. I was under the impression that he was at least a decent boyfriend to Dave, but honestly he was a pretty shitty bf. His whole reasoning for dating Dave was pretty shoddy to begin with (he explained in V.O. that he was dating Dave to shake things up, basically), but he has little to no enthusiasm while dating Dave (never initiating physical contact, never complimenting him or expressing fondness for him outside of episode 1). And I know it's to show that he's still hung up on Kurt, but it's still really unfair to Dave, who's clearly invested in the relationship. And he still ended up moving in with Dave, so it's not like they were just dating casually. He also judges Dave unfairly, such as when he confides in Kurt that Dave eats a certain dish 'a little too much' (oh and don't get me started on the shit Sue says about Dave this season) or when he's frustrated with Dave for how many guys Dave's been with. It just paints Blaine in a very bad light, imo.

Idk, I just feel like the last season was pretty backhanded towards those of us who enjoy Dave's character. On the one hand, I'm glad things turned out well for him, but on the other, I feel kind of cheated, like it would have been better not to see him if he was just there as a plot device. I was happy to see him in the finale though.

[cuntycassandra]

What are your favourite Sebastian ships?

My favourite, and most consumed Sebastian ship will always be Kurtbastian, no doubt about that, but if I had to put all of his (common?) ships into a list from favourite to least favourite, this is what it’d look like!

1: Kurtbastian

Kurt Hummel and Sebastian Smythe.

I don’t quite think I can fathom just how much I dearly love these two, both separately and together. The potential they bring to one another for growth, redemption, explanation and development is practically palpable. The chemistry, courtesy of Chris and Grant, in the show is so entertaining to watch, and the direction of their relationship can really take a turn at any point. Do they start off with hate sex? Is it Kurt learning that Sebastian is an actual person with a family, hobbies and aspirations? Is it Sebastian personally reaching out to apologise to Kurt and something blossoming from that? Do they run into one another again in New York? It could be any of these options, alongside many more, and yet they all bring us a beautiful outcome in this pairing. They’re not so cookie cutter, they’re unique and compatible in so many different ways. Their wit and humour is so easy to intertwine that I sometimes forget they aren’t a canon couple. I just absolutely adore them.

2: I need to distinguish how much I love Kurtbas by stating that nothing even compares to them.

Like seriously none of the ships below even remotely compare. That’s how much I adore these two.

3: Warbler Ships.

Sebastian Smythe and Jeff, Nick, Thad, Wes, David and Trent.

These are the type of ships that I’ll read and I have no problems with, I just don’t actively ship them in my own glee universe. I read a beautiful fanfic a few years ago about Thad and Wes helping Sebastian overcome some self infliction habits, as well as a similar one with Nick where they’d write letters to one another. They were lovely and I thoroughly enjoyed them, I just don’t ship any of them religiously like I do with kurtbastian. KB are my endgame, I don’t even see these couples as midgame.

(That being said, I do think Jeff and Sebastian have most likely made out before. Not in a midgame type of way, more of a heated fling, I picture it to be a situation where Nick and jeff were on a break, and the boys kinda just got caught up in the moment while watching movies. It was something they just needed to try and get out of their system, and it’s followed by Jeff realising that Nick’s lips are the only ones he ever wants to kiss, and Seb understanding that maybe the idea of being romantically exclusive to somebody wouldn’t be a bad thing, and it would actually make him feel special. It doesn’t affect their friendship negatively, they’re still best buds, but Nick definitely gives Sebastian some side eyes when Niff are on the mend and he learns what happened.)

I think a good summary of how I feel about these ships is that when I’m reading their fics, I’m reading for Sebastian and Warbler characterisation separately, not Sebastian and Warbler romantically together, but they’re still cute fics!

4: Huntbastian

Hunter Clarington and Sebastian Smythe.

For me Huntbastian is kinda mid tier. I don’t actually like Hunter very much as a character, and I think Seb is far too good for him (I’m also very persistent when it comes to reminding people that the steroids scandal was all Hunter’s doing). However, there are definitely a few fics that I’ve read where this ship is quite cute. I suppose because we don’t know a lot about Hunter, nor do we know if the stuff we do know is even true, I think this ship is completely dependent on how the former is portrayed by each fic writer/artist. They have fanon potential, but I don’t appreciate Hunter enough to delve into that myself, despite the fact I have enjoyed little bits of media between these two every now and again.

That being said, I personally think these two actually have some very dark potential considering the power dynamic established in the show, and you know me, I love putting Sebastian in tough situations.

5/6: Starsmythe and Coopbastian

Elliott ‘Starchild’ Gilbert/Cooper Anderson and Sebastian Smythe.

First of all, idk if Elliott and Seb have a ship name, I just came up with Starsmythe on the spot, but if they don’t I think that should be the new one.

Much like with number three on my list, these are the kinds of ships that I don’t really see together in general, and I don’t see them happening in canon at all (well maybe Starsmythe could’ve if they’d actually met, but they didn’t), they’re just fun for experimenting with stories and ideas, or sometimes they’re a catalyst for other ships (Elliott with Kurtbas and Cooper with Huntbas from what I’ve read). I did read a really sweet KB fic where Sebastian got sick in New York, and Elliott helped Kurt look after him, so although they weren’t romantically involved, I thought it was just so sweet and had potential.

So again for these guys, I read more so for separate characterisation, and to get my Sebastian fix after I devour everything in his tag excluding seblaine, but they have possible fanon potential!

(And personally I’m a sucker for the whole ‘Cooper dates one of Sebastian’s family members’ trope that so many of us use. That never gets old.)

7: Sebklaine

Sebastian Smythe, Kurt Hummel and Blaine Anderson.

(Does it annoy anyone else that in both sebklaine and klaine Kurt is only the K? Like mmm it’s not a vibe.)

I don’t really know what to say about this ship. Do I hate it as much as Seblaine? No I don’t, but do I actively love it or consume it’s media on my own? Also no. The only time I’ll read Sebklaine fics is if the title and/or summary really grab my attention, or it’s primary focused on Kurtbas with only a smidge of Blaine, otherwise I’m not overly interested myself.

I personally don’t think this trio would work very well at all, I actually don’t think Blaine could be in a polyamorous relationship with anybody for that matter. As we see in the show, he’s incredible insecure and very jealous, imagine how he’d behave if he had to share his partner with somebody else? And I’m not putting my Bastian through that :(.

8: Sebofsky:

Sebastian Smythe and Dave Karofsky.

I think Sebofsky is such a neutral ship to me. I don’t dislike it, but I don’t actively ship it either. I’ve read a few fics of this pairing, nothing that particularly stuck out to me, but that’s not to say they were necessarily bad, just not my personal cup of tea. Something I actually would’ve liked to have seen from the show between these two was an apology from Seb to Dave after his attempt, but since we never got to see that I just like to assume it happened off screen. Now had we have seen a scene similar to that, maybe I would feel differently towards this ship, both positively or negatively, but we shall never know.

Not a bad ship, not an amazing ship, just a ship to me!

9: Seblaine:

Sebastian Smythe and Blaine Anderson.

I’ll just let Redditor Bea explain this one

This might be a hot take, and I’m probably going to get shit for it, but I think Sebastian deserves better than Blaine. I think everyone deserves better than Blaine, I do not like Blaine :).

Seblaine’s only redeeming quality, at least in my opinion, is that at least Blaine is a gay male and not a girl, or god forbid a lesbian girl.

10/11: Sebtana and Smytheberry.

Sebastian Smythe and Santana Lopez/Rachel Berry.

I will not touch these two ships with a ten foot pole. I’m all for personal expression, and at the end of the day you can headcanon characters as whatever sexuality you want to, there is nothing we can actually do to stop you, but I personally think there’s a huge difference between hc-ing a straight person as another sexuality, and hc-ing a canon gay character as straight. It’s reductive, you’re taking away their minority, you’re removing with a snap of your fingers the oppression people have been fighting again for years, these characters are iconic for what they represent, Santana especially: canon gays in modern media who aren’t totally defined by their sexuality. And I know some of y’all are looking at this with a side eye because it’s “not that deep”, but it is to me. If Sebastian and Santana had both been canon bisexual in the show, I actually think Sebtana is a ship I could get behind, but they aren’t, and therefore it’ll never be okay with me. They are both gay, a homosexual and a lesbian, so I will never see them romantically involved.

And as for Rachel, the compatibility between them isn’t very strong in my opinion, Rachel would be too much for him, I think it takes a certain type of guy to handle her, especially pre-S4. He’d lose his patience pretty quickly over her behaviour anyway, excluding the fact Sebastian likes men.