#anti bucklemming

[ambersock]

Because once upon a time they had good writers like Ben Edlund and Sera Gamble. Until they were replaced by the likes of Buckleming.

supernatural had NOOOO business saying shit like “freedom is a length of rope. god wants you to hang yourself with it.” where the FUCK do they get off saying something that good? on cw show supernatural????

[spngeorg]

Episode 139 - 7.13 The Slice Girls

Oh, bucklemming with their fast-growing monster babies... only they foisted this one off on Dean. To me, this one has always felt like a ham-fisted attempt to balance out the Amy Pond storyline from earlier this season, that just makes it all the more unbalanced.

Sam might think the scales are balanced now, but mostly because he's not exactly in touch with reality himself here... or at the very least not seeing Dean clearly. This is the part of s7 where the writers seemed to forget Sam was constantly hallucifering all over the place, but that makes a hell of a lot more sense when we do remember that while watching.

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My rewatch notes from July 2019 (mostly about Sam and Dean and their main conflict throughout s6 and s7, really… and Sam’s dependence on his Magic Anti-Hallucination Button to the exclusion of actually perceiving reality unless it fits with his personal understanding of it. Plus, proof there can be good stuff even in egregious bucklemming episodes… Seriously, if you only click one link here, make it this one.)

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[eisforeidolon]

Yeah, but then you got stuff like Lilith and Ruby's entire plan hinging on Sam breaking Lucifer free, so Lilith tries have Sam killed multiple times in S3 and Ruby tells him he's strong enough to kill Lilith in the S3 finale. And Sam being Lucifer true vessel, but he'll explode w/out demon blood? Those are just as bad as Lucifer calling Michael his little brother in an episode where he was doing nothing but lying to Crowley about everything.

Except that puts us back at that same fundamental disagreement, about whether it matters if a retcon happens in service of the story or not and how big of a change it makes to achieve what effect.

How many times did Lilith actually, personally, show up and try to kill Sam, remind me again? We had a lot of demons talking a big game about it, but when did it ever actually happen? Even her appearance at the end of season 3, she throws some flashy lights at him and flees - even though the neighborhood is full of her demons. The idea is that Lilith and Ruby are playing a long con on Sam (and the show is playing a long con on us). Is it 100% seamless? No. Does it serve a clear purpose enhancing the story? Yes.

I'll agree Lucifer's true vessel needing demon blood just like his lesser vessels do makes no sense. Except I don't recall any way that's actually a retcon which changes something we've been told about or seen happen otherwise previously, it's just ... kinda dumb.

Compare those to your example. Even if Lucifer lying about something that everyone, including Crowley, knows is bunk made sense as a justification? That doesn't work because Bucklemming screwed that pooch twice. The first time was Amara in 11x18 calling Lucifer "[God's] first son" and the second was the "little bro" from Lucifer himself when talking to Crowley in 12x17 you're referring to. The entire apocalypse mythology was based around the angels and their respective true vessels being parallels to each other and there was literally no reason in the plot to screw around with that - but hey, no big deal, right? Only if you believe all retcons are made equal, and I emphatically don't.

[jackklinemybeloved]

I find it very funny that bucklemming went through all of the trouble of developing Michael and Adam’s relationship in 15x08, creating tons of more Midam shippers, and then just... doing nothing with it and having Michael betray the Winchesters for Chuck just because Lucifer called him a cuck several times.

[italwayshadtobeyou]

I don't like the MOC plot either, but I have a hard time seeing seasons 9-10 as pandering to Jensen. He didn't get any great moments as MOC!Dean or demon Dean (certainly nothing that compared to addict!Sam or Lucifer!Sam), although his and Jared's chemistry salvaged a couple of poorly written moments from "Soul Survivor" and "Brother's Keeper."

Season 15 seemed to be pandering to the writers more than the actors. Most eps between felt like they were running down a wishlist of things they hadn't had time to do before. Unfortunately, they still didn't have time to do them, what with the looming "evil God" plot, but they would've been wastes of time even if the biggest bad had been a three-legged hellhound. Buckleming brought back Lucifer, still wearing Nick, because reasons. Berens wrote a long-ass love confession, from a character whose species has no plausible use for a pair bond, set while the horseman of death impotently banged on the door with her scythe. (Lisa Berry, my beloved, I'm so sorry.) Andrew Dabb did... honestly, I'm not even sure how to describe the atrocity that was "The Heroes' Journey." In general, it was a lot of concepts that belonged in different genres, made little sense for the characters we already knew, and lacked the subtlety where actors could've painted in their own colors.

The MOC storyline truly had some potential, especially the whole Cain and Abel parallel. Not that I wanted the brothers truly at odds AGAIN.

But, it was so boring. Like, Dean spent most of the season being roughly the same other than now having the need to stare moodily at his arm every other scene. And the scenes of “For Dean!" were so corny. Then Dean goes nuts in like the last three episodes after a season of being just mildly jerkier.

Side note: Demon Dean was just a loser.

Then after the stupid plot is over, Dean is exactly the same person he was before it started. He learned nothing other than, yes, he is in fact a killer. Which everyone and their mom knew.

I guess we got rid of Pollyanna? I mean, Charlie?

Pointless and boring.

Every time the show pandered to Ackles it hurt the story or took me right out of episodes. Like Season 15. Fan service trash.

Precisely! If you're going to turn a supporting protagonist into the main protagonist, there has to be repercussions and growth for the character. We saw none of that in Dean.

I hate when writers pander to fans (and in some cases, Jensen and Misha the actors). Can you imagine how much greater the SPN legacy could be if Dabb and the writers had actually put some serious thought into crafting a comprehensive and complete story for the final season instead of giving up and granting every desperate person's personal wish? Imagine if the entire season had gone out with a bang instead of just one episode. I mourn what we could have had.

[wingsdestiel]

bucklemming: write everyone ooc, love to introduce women just to torture and/or kill them, have a weird obsession with mark p, often ignore cas entirely, write some of the worst dialogue I’ve ever had the misfortune to experience

also bucklemming: somehow write some of the most iconic destiel interactions of all time

me: 

[supernatur-ally]

fucking buckleming. i hate them so much. the rage in my bones that buckleming brings out is colossal. i am like big foot... except its big anger... and im coming for you. im coming for you, you stupid son of a bitch. you make me so furious i just want to stomp on you. 

[freetobeeyouandme]

Writing a paper on Frankenstein is fun except for when I have to think of Supernatural and then I just get mad all over again because Bucklemming are literally so bad at their fucking job :)

[tinstol]

Ok so when Jack becomes god he says the best thing he can do is step away and let everyone live their own lives. But how is that better than chuck, exactly? One of the driving factors for the past 14 seasons was that he had all this power but didn’t use it to help anyone. Plus, this world was built and designed around chuck wanting to write a story, so it has deep structural problems designed to cause pain. But we’re just supposed to believe everything’s going to be fine on it’s own? I don’t think so

[laurelwinchester]

the good news is that now we never have to watch another episode of television written by brad buckner and eugenie ross-leming and i think that’s something worth celebrating.

[lunellumcas]

Also, people, today’s episode is buckleming and it will be a disappointment in many ways. Don’t worry, it will be ok.

[demonicseries]

that’s on me for expecting a bucklemming episode to be good

[the-very-touch-of-you-corrupts]

every single day. i miss charlie bradbury

[eisforeidolon]

How the hell was 14x12 written by Buckleming??? The dialogue between Sam and Dean is so good, and the whole" I believe in us speech" is making me cry. What the hell happened here?

Honestly, I think the level of talent in the writers' pool fell in Dabb's era to the point that they started to make Bucklemming look relatively competent.

While they couldn't keep canon straight to save their lives and had a bizarre fixation on woobifying Lucifer? They weren't as generally obsessed with prioritizing side characters over Sam & Dean or catering to the shoutiest fans on SM. They actually seemed to like Sam and Dean for Sam and Dean, which tended to lend itself to occasional shining moments for the characters - even if they were generally pretty weak writers in terms of concepts, plots, pacing, etc.

At least, that's how I see it.

[jackklinemybeloved]

Just remembered 15x19 is being written by bucklemming so there’s really no chance this episode is gonna be even slightly good huh

[canonicallysoulmates]

I’ve just discovered “Route 666″ is my “Bugs”

Y’all know how some fans hate the episode “Bugs”? You might even be one of them- well “Route 666″ is my “Bugs”. 

That’s the episode from s1 that I just don’t like; I didn’t care for it the first time I watched it so I always skipped it when I did my s1 re-watches but today I decided ‘fuck it I haven’t seen this ep in years maybe I’ll discover it’s a little hidden gem from the first season’....why I thought this could be a gem when it was written by BuckLemming I have no idea but it is not, at least not to me 🤷‍♀️