#bucklemming

[dreamytfw]

One of the things about the racist truck episode that gets me is they could have done just a regular ghost truck that runs people off the road. America is not short on ghost stories about phantom vehicles that try to run drivers off abandoned country roads in the middle of the night. There was literally no reason why it had to specifically be a racist truck.

[lavenderleahy]

hey ummmmm FUCK bucklemming for killing eileen in the grossest, most unceremonious way

[novakspector]

Scarecrow and Mrs. King (1983-1987) is a good show so I was surprised to see it was created by Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming (who are regarded as the writers of the WORST Supernatural episodes). The quirks of their writing style that didn't work on SPN work on this show. So it turns out they're not actually bad writers they were just a wrong fit for SPN.

[squeakyhalfling]

sorry to dredge this up from 2014 but I just got so pissed off with buckner/ross-lemming's season 7 return to spn on a rewatch and I need to keep this for reference.

how do you know how which writer writes Cas? like "this writer writes cas like ____". I feel this is necessary information I must know for the future. Deets! (to be honest, Edlund was my favorite writer and Cas writer hbu)

{opinions are stated here. you’ve been properly warned.}

edlund: ahh man i love edlund’s cas. he seems to understand like…the poetic balance of his character? like he understands both the peaceful and the rebellious side of cas and usually focuses on his struggles with agency and how he’s fundamentally different from other angels. he usually gets the perfect balance of writing cas with gravitas (as a character with inherent importance) and enough slightly-off humor to make him endearing. uwu.

berens: kind of similar to edlund. understands cas on a fundamental level and writes him with his own motivations; understands cas’ love and connection to humanity and also his obligation and love for his own family. his cas eps i thought were the strongest of this season (9.06 and 9.14) where we were actually given some interiority into cas’ struggles as a human and his struggles with morality in trying to organize the angels.

thompson: i’ve talked with some people about this and like, i really really like robbie thompson as a person and a writer and i think he really likes cas but i don’t think he really understands cas. usually he writes him as a little too quirky for my taste? but i think he fundamentally understands cas’ love and affection for the winchesters but i usually find the humor to be a little light and off. (8.17 cas calling his head a “noodle,” or comparing humanity to a peanut butter sandwich in 9.11. i think some people might like that but i find it a little ooc)

dabb: dabb is like kind of shitty in some regards (women. i mean women.) but he’s actually a relatively strong writer for cas? like he almost always focuses on cas’ loyalty and protectiveness of dean in his episodes. dabb is one of the most deancas-centric cas writers i think? he also understands that cas is his own person with his own history and motivations (like when he got pissed at gadreel in 9.10, etc) which is always good.

buckner/ross-lemming: the worst. the fucking worst. don’t understand cas at all, make him into a dudebro with dudebro humor when they can, or they forego correct characterization for the sake of moving forward plot (asking dean to torture just to have an episode conflict will like forever be on my shitlist for multiple reasons). literal no conception of who cas actually is. retconning x10. -20/10. the fucking worst.

carver: generally pretty good cas writer? usually writes him with his own motivations and treats him like an actual character and not a plot device. 5.03 is one of my favorite eps and i think he really nails cas in that one. ;u;

glass: has written one episode with cas and i think he generally doesn’t give a shit about him

klein: has also written one episode with cas and focused on cas watching porn for humor so i don’t trust her (i lied she’s written 2 with cas and in both focused on cas/porn for humor. double nope.)

[gentlemancowboy]

Gayest Dean Moment Not Involving Cas Number 3 ➼ Church Confession

Bonus:

[samsrowena]

i've mentioned this before but i think it's time for an actual dedicated post because. i'm sorry. but i do not think rowena's ending was good and i'm tired of pretending like it was. like yes in theory i'm happy for her becoming a hashtag girlboss and all and if it happened in season ten or eleven i would totally get it. but as it stands rowena is someone who has some of the best character development in the show and even as early as season twelve her motivations had changed far too much to where i don't even think she would *want* the throne. certainly not after season thirteen when all she wants is to be redeemed. and i just refuse to accept the idea that dying and being stuck in hell for the rest of eternity is redemption, no matter how much the show loves to push "just kill yourself if you want absolution!" (*cough jack cough crowley cough gadreel cough many others cough cough cough*) and regardless of whether or not she (thinks) she runs the joint. and i say thinks because even though it ends up going nowhere we are shown in season fifteen the demons are going behind her back and not following the rules. so with that it's just like what truly is the point of her becoming queen if it's not chuck getting her out of the way and placating her the same way he placates dean in the end by sticking him in heaven (x)

[shallowseeker]

Cas is always leaving for urgent reasons, for big important quests or missions.

But here, oh here... it couldn't be more different.

And Dean tries SO hard to ask him to stay.

///

When Cas comes into his room, Dean starts opening up immediately. And clearly, he wants to keep talking to Cas here, to sit down and rest, to hang out together!

Dean must be so exhausted, post-demon-withdrawal. I mean. He's been pretty much off his head for months, really ever since Mr. Cuthbert and Cain.

But now Dean... humanity again. Anne-Marie "humanity"'s words put into motion his journey back. He's back on the side of humanity, even on his own side of the bed.

///

One of the things that sticks out is the subconscious body language in the next bit. Dean subconsciously drifts from his normal side of the bed...

...to the other side, the pizza side, the side with the fan, the side with the tall "dancing" lamp.

On his way, he nervously fiddles, clearing the books off the "Cas" side like he doesn't quite know what to do with his hands during this conversation.

///

Dean airs his fears and anxieties, and he and Cas fall into easy, comfortable banter. They make each other "whuff" with laughter... even smile.

When Cas smiles, it triggers some responses.

Dean starts swallowing and shifting his eyes. Then he attempts to say something meaningful: "I'm glad you're here."

*trying* *trying*

///

And in response to this? Cas starts to leave. Ouch! He even drifts backwards within-frame.

<- <- <- <-

Then he turns around. :(

BUT THEN!

CAS turns back around, almost like he doesn't want to leave either. But he puts back on his game face, his "duty" face. He's perpetually in mission mode, like he told Hannah before.

Meanwhile, Dean is at first hopeful when Cas turns back around, but then...

Then to Dean, he shows care, telling him he should get some rest.

CAS: "Hey, maybe you should, uh... take some time. Rest up before you go back to work."

While Cas tells Dean to take some time off, it's clear Cas himself has no plans of resting. Cas seems to "never sleep" and is seemingly perpetually traveling the road of work.

If Dean is a roadrunner-desperado, never stopping to settle down, Cas is that to the power of 10,000. But not JUST on the road but in the air, too. An unreachable flight pattern.

...

And as Dean listens, his heart squeezes a little, maybe. The timing might be "right."

But not that kind of timing.

Because, if "Heaven and Hell are reasonably back in order," as Cas says, and if it's "quiet out there...."

Then, if Cas won't stay NOW? He won't stay ever.

And...

Dean is left looking a little dazed, a little lost. :(

("Oh.")

(nodding a little to himself)

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[greatcometcas]

Before my life is over, I want to live it.

[deancrowleycas]

So right!!!!!! Dean is a nerd and he READS!!!!

[tiktaalic]

-Man why does this episode suck.

-Brad Buckner eugenie Ross leming

[castiellesbian]

"LOTUS is a good title actually" it means Lucifer of the United States.

[segernatural]

like how am i supposed to take this

[hellerism]

bobo: i have canonized this years long love story and if we stick the landing with the last two episodes we could go down in history as having done something really beautiful and poignant

buckleming: lucifer calls michael a cuck

[lavenderleahy]

my husband is a certified buckleming hater 😎 and I quote: "they write everyone out of character and make shit up just to see what sticks"

[kirkwallguy]

extremely conflicted with taash because i want soo badly for the potentially trans companion to be my favourite but trick is probably my second least favourite writer on dai. and that's basically the very bottom considering how bad kristjansen is.