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there's something very amatonormative about the way booker sees the world
he tells nicky and joe that they had always had each other, whilst andy and booker only had themselves and their grief and that's uncharitable and an amatonormative way of looking at the world.
yes, nicky and joe are in a long-term romantic and sexual relationship that is very solid, but that doesn't negate like... their platonic relationships?
when booker says that, it is so damn self-absorbed and naive and amatonormative
does he not realise that nicky and joe have always been with him too? that nicky and joe lost quynh too? sure, andy lost her lover but look at nicky and joe when they tell nile about quynh - they loved her and her loss deeply fucked them up.
booker's betrayal is so, so selfish and amatonormative. and sure he had his reasons - grief, alcoholism, depression - but those are not excuses, but explanations. I'm on the side of 'booker is a character and what he did was understandable and he clearly needs therapy' but 'holy SHIT let nicky and joe feel BETRAYED because they were and shouldn't have to moderate their reaction to protect ickle booker' - like the amount of work booker needs to put in for a proper reconciliation is astronomical.
anyway I digress. by saying 'you always had each other', booker is being an amatonormative little shit who downplays both nicky and joe's platonic relationships, I love and care for the other immortals, including him, but also that they have suffered loss too - their families, and how their first meeting wasn't exactly serendipitous.
anyway! booker's framing of nicky and joe is deeply fucked up, stemming from amatonormativity and booker's worldview of competing grief. like booker.... grief sucks but it's not a competition, y'know?
anyway! this is a Reading TM of booker's worldview vis a via nicky and joe that I've felt strongly about because booker just like. is so self-absorbed in his grief that he cannot recognise and appreciate what he has, nor can he recognise that nicky and joe's lives haven't been sunshine and rainbows because they're in a romantic relationship.
like bro. they love you. go to therapy.
#the old guard#meta#booker#anti booker#well more like#booker critical#but I like to err on the side of caution#amatonormativity#kaysanova#nicolo di genova#yusuf al kaysani#like they lost their families and quynh too y'know there's no monopoly on grief
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Bioshock: Why Individualism is a shitty philosophy to build society on
Bioshock 2: Why Collectivism is a shitty philosophy to build society on
Bioshock Infinite: Why American Exceptionalism is a shitty philosophy to build society on.
#bioshock#bioshock 2#bioshock infinite#bioshock burial at sea#columbia#bioshock columbia#bioshock rapture#rapture#exceptionalism#american exceptionalism#anti capitalism#dystopia#biopunk#steampunk#alternate history#alternate universe#videogame#video game#anna dewitt#booker dewitt#American dystopia#American satire
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Okay...
I'm going to be that person but am I seriously the only one who thinks that Quynh is not going to just suddenly forgive and forget ~500 years of torture by constant drowning, built-up rage and the resultant insanity/instability all because Andy cries and says she's sorry?
Because I don't think she would. However I see a LOT of that in the fandom.
I refuse to believe that Andy is going to die in the sequel so her and Quynh will eventually reconcile their relationship but it's just not going to happen in X number of minutes.
#I'll be that person#what I don't really get too is the fandoms need to have the Guard just straight up exonerate Quynh/Noriko for her intentional choices#yet also have the Guard just ignore or even straight up brush aside what she did to Booker or the fact that she tried to/did kill them all#NOT anti-Quynh#but I just don't think there's gonna be a happy reunion for her and Andy in the sequel#Nile straight up says that Quynh 'felt insane' in the nightmare#with that and the scene with Quynh and Booker... I think we're going to be getting the Force Multiplied storyline (maybe slightly tweaked)#the old guard#2 old 2 guard#andromache the scythian#quynh#my opinion#unpopular opinion#my thoughts
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No one is entitled to biological offspring and how can they include surrogacy in the Act without implying that couples are entitled to women to be surrogates?
A trio of Democratic senators are introducing a "Right to IVF Act" that would, among other things, force private health insurance plans to cover assisted reproduction treatments such as in vitro fertilization (IVF), egg freezing, and gestational surrogacy.
The measure provides no exception or accommodations for religious objections, all but ensuring massive legal battles over the mandate should it pass.
The "sweeping legislative package" (as the senators describe it) combines several existing pieces of legislation, including the Access to Family Building Act and the Family Building Federal Employees Health Benefit Fairness Act sponsored by Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D–Ill.), the Veteran Families Health Services Act from Sen. Patty Murray (D–Wash.), and the Access to Infertility Treatment and Care Act from Sen. Cory Booker (D–N.J.).
Booker's contribution here is probably the most controversial. It requires coverage for assisted reproduction from any health care plan that covers obstetric services.
A Reverse Contraception Mandate
Remember the Affordable Care Act's contraception mandate, which required private health insurance plans to cover birth control (allegedly) at no cost to plan participants? It spawned some big legal battles over the rights of religious employers and institutions not to offer staff health plans that included birth control coverage.
Booker's Access to Infertility Treatment and Care Act is a lot like the Obamacare contraception mandate, except instead of requiring health care plans to cover the costs of avoiding pregnancy it would require them to cover treatments to help people become pregnant.
The bill states that all group health plans or health insurance issuers offering group or individual health insurance must cover assisted reproduction and fertility preservation treatments if they cover any obstetric services. It defines assisted reproductive technology as "treatments or procedures that involve the handling of human egg, sperm, and embryo outside of the body with the intent of facilitating a pregnancy, including in vitro fertilization, egg, embryo, or sperm cryopreservation, egg or embryo donation, and gestational surrogacy."
Health insurance plans could only require participant cost-sharing (in the form of co-pays, deductibles, etc.) for such services to the same extent that they require cost-sharing for similar services.
What Could Go Wrong?
It seems like it should go without saying by now but there is no such thing as government-mandated healthcare savings. Authorities can order health care plans to cover IVF (or contraception or whatever) and cap point-of-service costs for plan participants, but health insurers will inevitably pass these costs on to consumers in other ways—leading to higher insurance premiums overall or other health care cost increases.
Yes, IVF and other fertility procedures are expensive. But a mandate like this could actually risk raising IVF costs.
When a lot of people are paying out of pocket for fertility treatments, medical professionals have an incentive to keep costs affordable in order to attract patients. If everyone's insurance covers IVF and patients needn't bother with comparing costs or weighing costs versus benefits, there's nothing to stop medical providers from raising prices greatly. We'll see the same cost inflation we've seen in other sectors of the U.S. healthcare marketplace—a situation that not only balloons health care spending generally (and gets passed on to consumers one way or another) but makes fertility treatments out of reach for people who don't have insurance that covers such treatments.
Raising costs isn't the only issue here, of course. There's the matter of more government intervention in private markets (something some of us are still wild-eyed enough to oppose!).
Offering employee health care plans that cover IVF could be a good selling point for recruiting potential employees or keeping existing employees happy. But there's no reason that every employer should have to do so, just because lawmakers want IVF to be more accessible.
It's unfair to employers—big or small, religious or non-religious—to say they all must take on the costs of offering health care plans that cover pricey fertility treatments. And Booker's bill contains no exceptions for small businesses or for entities with religious or ethical objections.
A lot of religious people are morally opposed to things like IVF and surrogacy. This measure would force religious employers to subsidize and tacitly condone these things if they wanted to offer employees health care plans with any obstetrics coverage at all.
As with any government intervention in free markets, there's the possibility that this fertility treatment mandate would distort incentives. IVF can certainly be an invaluable tool for folks experiencing infertility. But it's also very expensive and very taxing—emotionally and physically—for the women undergoing it, with far from universal success rates. The new mandate could encourage people who may not be good candidates for IVF to keep trying it, perhaps nudging them away from other options (like adoption) that might be better suited to their circumstances.
'Access' Vs. Whatever This Is
Since Roe v. Wade was overturned, many Americans have worried that the legal regime change would pave the way for outlawing things like contraception or IVF, too. Encoding into law (or legal precedent) the idea that fertilized eggs are people could have negative implications for these things, even if many conservative politicians pledge (and demonstrate) that IVF and birth control are safe. In response, some progressive politicians—perhaps genuinely concerned, perhaps sensing political opportunity (or why not both?)—have started talking a lot about the need to protect access to IVF across the country.
As much as I agree with this goal, I think IVF's legality is better off as a state-by-state matter. That said, the "protect IVF nationwide" impulse wouldn't be so bad if "protecting access" simply meant making sure that the procedure was legal.
But as we've seen again and again over the past couple decades, Democrats tend to define health care and medicine "access" differently.
The new Right to IVF Act would establish a national right to provide or receive assisted reproduction services. In their press release, the senators say this last bit would "pre-empt any state effort to limit such access and ensur[e] no hopeful parent—or their doctors—are punished for trying to start or grow a family." OK.
But that's not all it would do. The bill's text states that "an individual has a statutory right under this Act, including without prohibition or unreasonable limitation or interference (such as due to financial cost or detriment to the individual's health, including mental health), to���(A) access assisted reproductive technology; (B) continue or complete an ongoing assisted reproductive technology treatment or procedure pursuant to a written plan or agreement with a health care provider; and (C) retain all rights regarding the use or disposition of reproductive genetic materials, including gametes."
Note that bit about financial cost. It's kind of confusingly worded and it's unclear exactly what that would mean in practice. But it could give the government leeway to directly intervene if they think IVF is broadly unaffordable or to place more demands on individual health care facilities, providers, insurance plans, etc., to help cover the costs of IVF for people whom it would otherwise be financially out of reach.
This is the distilled essence of how Democrats go too far on issues like this. They're not content to say "People shouldn't be punished for utilizing/offering IVF" or that the practice shouldn't be illegal. They look at authoritarian or overreaching possibilities from the other side (like banning or criminalizing IVF) and respond with overreaching proposals of their own.
The proble with increasing access to IVF is what happens when the couple needs a surrogate to have biological offspring? Will they beg and pester the women in their lives? Will the affordable IVF compensate surrogates fairly?
#usa#Right to IVF Act#Democratic making it easier to exploit women#Anti surrogacy#the Access to Family Building Act#the Family Building Federal Employees Health Benefit Fairness Act#Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D–Ill.)#the Veteran Families Health Services Act#Sen. Patty Murray (D–Wash.)#the Access to Infertility Treatment and Care Act#Sen. Cory Booker (D–N.J.).
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Booker T. Washington in The New York Times when asked about his thoughts on woman suffrage.
A part of "Leading Men Take Up the Question of Women's Right to Vote", December 20, 1908.
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When Ozzie said he wouldn’t miss Leia, she should’ve said ‘well I’m not gonna miss your rude double crossing ass either.’
#that 90s show#leia forman#anti ozzie#idk how she wasn’t more pissed at ozzie after how he treated her in dirty double booker
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you ever get so mad about how incorrect someone is about your hyperfixation that you literally start crying and screaming
#me and my brother got into a bioshock related argument and he literally didn’t even know that andrew ryan is based on ayn rand#he tried to say that our man andy ryan was a communist and that booker was in the right against the vox populi#i was foaming at the mouth fr#80% OF THE CHARACTERS ARE NAMED AFTER AYN RAND AND HER NOVELS#THEY DONT TRY TO HIDE IT EITHER ATLAS AND FONTAINE IS LITERALLY JUST THE TITLES ATLAS SHRUGGED AND THE FOUTAIN HEAD BRO COME ON#(new york accent) awhtism#i wouldn’t be that mad about all of this if he didn’t try to tell me i was wrong like my guy I KNOW MORE THAN YOU ABOUT THIS#ITS ONE OF TWO THINGS I HAVE KNOWLEGE ABOUT DO NOT TEST ME#my ass said like two days ago that i don’t really have meltdowns 🧍🏼i am a liar and a fool#i didn’t even adress the vox populi thing that hard but i think i’ll explode if i start talking about that one#that just boils down to barley disguised racism and anti radicalism that some people are just rockin with for some reason#infinite bad other two good blah blah you know the vibe#rant?? i suppose#shut up emma
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I skipped all of season 1 of Outer Banks because I just despise John B dating someone Kaira had active beef with, like way to pick a girl over your friend.
#anti outer banks#john b obx#John Booker Routledge#kiara carrera#Sarah Cameron#I really value friendship and if your friend would date someone whose been a jerk to you they aren’t a good friend#outer banks#kaira obx#it just puts a bad taste in my mouth#like as a friend you’re supposed to have their back#friends#friendship#sarah and John b are better in season 2 and 3#anti john b#where is the loyalty
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#Babs#barbara gordon#will booker#he goes on to argue in favor of her new 52 reemergence as batgirl (which had just happened at the time of publication) as an empowering#return to pre-crisis 2nd wave form#which I disagree with pretty strongly because it made her even younger than post crisis + less unique (in general as one of few disabled#super heroes and by creating more overlap with her legacy batgirls) + it made her more vulnerable to being reduced to a male fantasy the#when written by men (not an immediate problem for her initial solo written by Gail Simone but something that’s become a very prominent issue#since and was already apparent in the animated series from the 90s)#the n52 reboot (much like COIE relative to Reagan-era* backlash against 2nd wave feminism!!!) also coincided pretty closely with gamer gate#—a nerd specific anti-feminist movement#AND ALSO n52 repeated the decision to cut her relationships with other women#*one of the things that contributed to Reagan’s overwhelming popularity as a president is the fact that many people who took issue with his#policies would attribute the policies they took issue with to Nancy while continuing to support the man himself#batgirl
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black swifties really have no self respect at this point
#the 1830s line wasnt the final straw then youre too far gone#say hi to booker t washington for me whenever u guys die#and google uncle ruckus cause clearly thats your ideological bestie#like black swifties wonder why they get bullied for being swifties when shit like this is why.#you guys are so embarassing and incredibly antiblack and it SHOWS#good job giving your money to a woman who dated a guy who literally got off to videos of us being sexually tortured#and openly admitted she’d go back to antebellum america#you guys are dumb as fuck.#notyouraryang0dd3ss#anti swifties
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yes I am anti-booker apologism at the expense of nicky and joe
I understand why Booker did what he did and that he needs therapy.
however.
he is a grown ass man who can take responsibility for his own actions.
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i really hope you get to see taylor!! not getting to go to eras sucks
I hope so too. But if not I’ll still see about tailgating with friends.
It bothers me so much how this ticket rollout has been. I’d do anything for a rep system again.
I haven’t even made bracelets or gotten clothes bc I kinda gave up.
#I ran to to a stubhub scam and the prices for replacement tickets provides are just too much#I hate so many people who aren’t even fans getting tickets#ngl I know the lead booker thing should’ve been more transparent but I wish there was more anti scalper and bot stuff over here#It’s just so painful for many reasons bc I feel like I didn’t even get a chance
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Not just you. I feel like Summer just started, and now we're celebrating its end? Seems like bullshit to me. Don't get me wrong, I'm down for a good hay ride with my girlfriend, but no matter how many times she calls it snuggle weather, I still can't get fully behind Fall. I tried to get Pumpkin Spice banned from the event too, but that didn't work out. So yeah, warmer months all the way. I bet Dina's excited though, right? There's gonna be lots for the kids to do.
Is it just me or is anyone else not ready for Creek Fest? Not that I don't enjoy it because I do, but it just means that the colder months are coming and I'm not the biggest fan of the cold. And sure, there's hot apple cider and PSLs and whatever else that comes out this time of year, but that's not enough to make me a fan of the fall and winter months. What about you? Are you more of a warmer months type of person? Or do you love the colder months?
#( convo | booker. )#// since they're both locals and both anti-monotony I feel like they're friend-coded? lol
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On Monday, former president Donald Trump announced his vice presidential running mate: Ohio Senator J.D. Vance.
There are endless reasons why I find this alarming, from Vance’s anti-LGBTQ legislation to his disparaging remarks about DEI initiatives. But I want to focus on an old speech that’s been recirculating since the news broke.
In 2021, Vance spoke at the Intercollegiate Studies Institute’s conference on the Future of American Political Economy, where he blamed "the childless left" for the nation's woes. As a woman who’s intentionally childfree, I am livid over this rhetoric. According to him, we have "no physical commitment to the future of this country."
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Vance specifically called out several Democrats for not having "a personal and direct stake in [our country] via their own offspring": Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg, and Kamala Harris (disregarding that the Vice President is the stepmother of her husband’s two children). Since this speech, Buttigieg and his husband have adopted two children.
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Vance bemoaned the current state of "family formation" and "birth rates" in the US. But in true Republican fashion, he didn't bother exploring why many Americans are having fewer children.
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Did Vance propose sound solutions to the "civilization crisis" like addressing climate change? Of course not. (He doesn’t believe that people contribute to climate change.) Other than praising Hungary's pro-natal policies, the only suggestion he offered was this preposterous idea: "Let’s give votes to all children in this country, but let’s give control over those votes to the parents of the children."
He continued, "Doesn’t this mean that nonparents don’t have as much of a voice as parents? Doesn’t this mean that parents get a bigger say in how democracy functions?" He answered his own questions with a "yes" after admitting "the Atlantic and the Washington Post and all the usual suspects" would criticize him.
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After Vance received blowback for his ludicrous suggestion, he appeared on Tucker Carlson Tonight, where he double downed. "We are effectively run in this country...by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made, and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable, too. And it's just a basic fact." [...]
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Here's the thing: Republicans are the party of the rich, but policies that help the rich fuck everyone else up, so they are inherently unpopular. Republicans hitch their wagons to white supremacists and religious fanatics who will gladly vote for them in hopes of bringing their own agenda. Rich people believe that their money is able to keep them unaffected by their social policies that harm mostly minorities.
Present day: Religious Fanatics and White Supremacists have gone too far. Their plans are so corrosive that they will actually affect the rich; Not to mention, there are a lot of nouveau rich who are also these fanatics.
So now, these rich people, "never-trumpers" want to join the democratic party and make it into a party for them. They are anti-progressive because they don't want to pay more taxes and they don't want more regulations. They want a milquetoast white democrat leader, and not one like Joe Biden who has embraced progressive policies and is now further left than 2008.
They don't want Kamala or Pete Buttigieg or Corey Booker or that skater boi from texas. They were to the left of Biden when they ran in the 2019 primary. They want someone to the right of Biden. A more corporate friendly democrat.
And keep in mind, these republicans have always been racist. And have always been white supremacist for them. This departure from the republican party is not a moral one. It's because the oppression that these Trump Republicans want isn't profitable.
These republicans were fine with rounding up Black people on bullshit charges and sending them to prison to do make them money on prison labor. (Biden ended the use of private prisons on a Federal Level fyi). They're not fine with rounding up 20 million undocumented people and putting them in internment camps and deporting them, that would cost so much money that would be better spent giving to them via tax cuts. (I bet you they'll get on board when someone touts the idea of using the undocumented people for unpaid labor)
They're okay with banning abortions or just limiting. They're not okay with stripping all of woman's freedoms (because many of them are women and like to spend the money they have) because women going back into the homes, means the spending power of the economy shrinks.
Less Women and Men of color going to college means less student loan payments. Not to mention, the policies that Trump will enact with Project 2025, would just wreck the economy. Government workers would lose their jobs. Facilities and infrastructure would crumble. The middle class would all but disappear, the gap between the poor and rich would grow, to the point where there is just no more money to extract from anyone in the lower classes. The money would have to come from them.
If trump gets in office by 2028 there will be so many evictions, its impossible to keep up. The rich would have to bribe police officers (made legal by the supreme court btw) to get people evicted. Not all rich people are rich equally. Those who can afford to bribe will be new upper class, those who can't will be suckers.
FDIC will be gone. So imagine you're one of those rich suckers, and the bank you have your money goes belly up cause the new upper class used it to fund their next yacht?
You can't be a tech mogul in a country with poor infrastructure. All that AI requires massive amount of electricity. How can you have any developments if your company shuts off the power every few weeks and there is no policy in place to keep it going, to fix it. Look at texas? Every hurricane gets rid of the power for weeks. Imagine when Project 2025 gets in and there really is no regulation at all.
What is the point of all this? Biden is the correct choice. He is the incumbent, he won the primary, and the election is less than four months away. This talk about replacing him is a bunch of rich assholes trying to take over the democratic party and making it into the new republican party. The literal worst night mare: socially liberal, financially conservative. They are antagonist towards the democrat's base: Black voters, because black voting population support centralized government, regulations, higher taxes, and a robust social safety network (because its literally the best way to govern)
Focus on getting people to vote for Biden or just not vote for Trump.
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Dutch Van Der Linde: An Outdated Progressive
(Warning: This post contains period typical attitudes such as racism and sexism as well as spoilers for RDR2. This retrospective is also pretty damn long too.)
I love Dutch Van Der Linde. Honestly, he is one of my favorite characters ever and just the whole concept of his character and the philosophy of his character as well is something that just sticks with you.
He is charming, intelligent, cultured, charismatic, a right Messiah, and a right bastard all the same time.
But the thing that I believe people most remember about Dutch Van Der Linde is his romantic image. What I mean by this is the things he stood for and the things he wanted to change.
This makes Dutch have a positive image pretty quickly from the very start. In the first scene with him, he's encouraging people, rallying them up, and giving them hope in such an awful situation. He saves Sadie from a terrible fate and asks Hosea to send someone to bury her husband. Arthur and Charles talk fondly of him. He makes it clear in the train robbery that he despises the systems that keep men rich whilst most people starve.
Whether or not Dutch was always cracked, to the characters in the game, he was a great man because of his beliefs and because of his empathy/sympathy.
But what gets me is that a lot of people in this fandom misconstrue Dutch's character into being what we see today as a progressive. I see people saying things like "Bill shouldn't be racist, he's with Dutch's gang" or "why is Micah in the gang" and other similar things as to where people get confused as to why characters with immoral belief systems are respected and active heavy hitters in the gang.
This isn't saying that Dutch isn't progressive because he IS. For his time period, he was VERY progressive.
However, before I get into that, I want to establish some context in terms of the time period that we are talking about.
Theodore Roosevelt was the 26th president of the United States from 1901 to 1909. He once had dinner with African American leader Booker T. Washington. This one singular act of simply eating with one another as a white man and black man was so scandalous that it became an outrage to many politicians that the PRESIDENT, the literal face of America, was having dinner with a black American leader.
Teddy later put out this response: “The only wise and honorable and Christian thing to do is to treat each Black man and each white man strictly on his merits as a man, giving him no more and no less than he shows himself worthy to have."
A lot of people would take this event and try to say that Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive equivalent to our time when that is simply not true. Roosevelt was racist to many groups in his personal writings and he believed in the racial hierarchy, even though he had respect for any self made man.
Was Roosevelt a progressive? Yes. For his time, he was a progressive. He was pro union, anti monopoly, and created many government departments like the FDA. He also believed in the merits of a man. But the thing about historical progressives is that their standard of progression doesn't fit in with our criteria anymore.
Dutch is the same. Is he a progressive? Yeah, of course he is. But is he a true progressive in our standards? No. Not really.
This is why the gang allows racist gang members. That is also why the only repercussion to such racism is if the victim of it is willing to dish something out like Charles slamming Micah on the ground or Javier pulling a knife on Bill. It is also why the gang is pretty traditional and rigid in their gender roles. It's also why queer people (ie. Bill) are casually mocked within the gang too.
Another thing too- Dutch is a romantic. People misconstrue that with being a progressive when that really isn't the case. Romantacism is a philosophy that was a rejection of the realism of the Enlightment. It focused on Idealism. The thing with Romantacism, though, is that it was a super white-washed philosophy. It was made to mould into white cultures and belief systems specifically for white men. Dutch could say all men are equal and he may believe that, but it's clear that he doesn't see equality in the same way that we see equality today.
What I mean by this is that any man is equal but if told otherwise, that man is the one who has to prove them wrong. It's his business and he should be the one to deal with it. That's why other gang members don't back up Charles or Javier if they find themselves in a situation with another gang member who is racist. It's their responsibility to deal with their own beefs. It wouldn't be like today where we all publically shun racism.
Remember when Dutch, Arthur, and Micah come back from Sadie's cabin? Micah says something about not wanting to share a room with Bill and POC, to which Dutch can hear and doesn't say anything and Hosea only says "Get yourself to bed" instead of calling Micah on what he said. Same goes for Arthur too. He may condemn and do something about violent racism, like how when he helps the doctor in Rhodes get his wagon back, but he doesn't really say anything when Micah or Bill say racist things to Charles, Javier, or Lenny. That's their business, so to speak, and they should be the ones handling it.
Also note the poc's characters relationship with Dutch. Javier likes Dutch because of the revolutionary ideals that he believes in. Charles likes Dutch because he treats him fair. Lenny likes Dutch because Dutch is far more progressive than other white men, but he also calls out Dutch's romantic philosophy because it doesn't really include POC or their struggles. Dutch sympathizes with their struggles, but he cannot emphasize, which is the problem with his romantic philosophy. It's a culture that is a house to white people, but POC are only guests in it in terms of its European and American tradition. Yes, Dutch hates what the Europeans did to the natives, but given the context beforehand and the things he says, he hates less the violence and more the upheaval of the lifestyle that he wants, which is one that is connected to nature and earth. I also find it interesting how the only person Dutch kinda defends from racism is Lenny, the same boy who calls him out for reading too much into Miller and not into reality. It could very much be Dutch unconsciously trying to prove Lenny wrong.
And the thing with Dutch is that he isn't squeaky clean when it comes to racism either. He's racist too, but he's racist to groups that we don't see as marginalized anymore and this goes for Hosea as well. The biggest example of this is with Italians, who weren't considered white at the time, same with the Irish.
We have this conversation between him and Hosea:
"Have you ever met an Italian strongman before?"
"Not outside the circus."
I shouldn't have to explain that.
And there is also when Bronte set them up.
"That greasy son of a bitch, he set us up!"
It doesn't sound strange at first but context matters a lot. Though 'greaser' is a slur that we see thrown at Javier for being a Mexican multiple times in the gang, that slur was also used against Italians. So Dutch saying that is him still purposing that slur but in a different way.
Another thing that I noticed is that whenever Dutch wants to speak with someone who isn't white or wasn't deemed white at the time, he would dumb down or slow down his speech first before the person he's speaking to shows that they know English, in which then he talks normally. He doesn't automatically consider that hey, these are people who are intelligent and understand English.
Here are two examples:
This is Dutch to Bronte.
"Why do you take his son?"
"Excuse me?"
"I said why DID you take his son."
He fixes the way he talks as soon as he realizes that Bronte speaks english.
And then to Eagle Flies.
"How do you DO?" (In the game, he slows down his speech and emphasizes the do.)
"Not well, sir."
"I can see that."
This is such a subtle detail but it shows that even subconsciously, Dutch isn't as admirable as we sometimes like to make him out to be in terms of OUR time period and that we shouldn't be surprised when other gang members or Dutch himself do or say things that aren't cool.
And of course, there is the sexism of the gang and that Dutch is shown to be sexist multiple times in the game.
"There are two theories about arguing with women and neither of them work."
"Good Lord, a few more like her and we can take over the whole world." (This was a sarcastic dig at Sadie)
And given the rigidness of the gender roles in camp and that the girls are barely in any missions and are mostly just doing house work, Dutch supports this system because just like how political Romantacism wasn't really for POC, it wasn't really for women either.
He can also be religiously prejudiced as well, though this shows up only once in the game. When you get into Saint Denis, Dutch says this:
"Here we are in this strange land of Papists and rapists."
Papists is another word for Catholic and given how he connects them with rapists, it makes it quite clear that he doesn't like them all that much, which makes sense given that Dutch is some form of Protestant and the general disgust regarding Catholics at the time. There is also the fact that a lot of reasons why Italians, Irish, and Hispanic people dealt with discrimination is because of the Catholic background in many of their cultures.
Again, it's a small detail, but when you look at the time period he says that in, it opens up many doors to many other social issues that were there at the time and how Dutch, despite being better than many, is also still a man of his time and this idea that the gang is this beacon of prosperity and progression is generally overemphasized to something that it is not.
Again, I love Dutch's character and he was a progressive but it isn't surprising to see these negative equalities come out from him and from the gang as an extension. They all have their flaws, even if those flaws are especially jarring at points.
Historical people almost always have historical attitudes, guys. It's just the unfortunate truth.
In any case, this is already way too damn long and I hate proof reading so bye 😃
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