#anti adora x catra

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

the relationship adora deserved:

the relationship she got:

[bi-dykes]

Honestly this. You can dislike catradora yet like caitlyn x vi bc “that’s just my preference” or “it’s more my thing” BUT if it’s bc “oo I only like fluffy healthy yuri ships” then WTF you liking caitlyn x vi for? That’s like if I said I don’t like jalepeno peppers bc I don’t like spice but then just dropping it I that like ghost peppers

[terrabdectyle]

[hellcheercaine]

Allow me to raise…

Not sure if it’s just me but Billy is giving off Catra vibes, especially when Billy calls Steve “pretty boy” just like how Catra greets Adora with “Hey, Adora”

[antispopausandstuff]

i've only mentioned this AU once ( i think ), but whenever i recall 'The Two Suns' and various scenarios i've either always had in mind or made up recently, it makes me really happy.

one of my thoughts is Kyle helping heal the Crimson Waste. i don't think it'd be easy, i don't think anyone would even acknowledge him at first, but Kyle watches the people struggle and suffer and kill just to survive another day ( food, water, etc. ). where they have nowhere else to go, as no one will accept them.

for him, the Horde was like that. though he had Adora and Rogelio, he was deeply afraid of being left behind. and he was. he didn't resent Adora for that. in fact, he blamed himself. because he couldn't see any other reason for her leaving, at the time.

so, he sympathizes with the Crimson Waste ( or the Crimsons, as i like to call them ) and, through his own struggle, begins to help the people heal. not everyone believes in it, not everyone deserves it, but Kyle knows he can't please everyone. he had always known that.

though Kyle x Rogelio is a thing in this AU ( with some changes, which are not only about the bullying thing ), i never wanted Kyle to be 100% reliant on Rogelio when i made it. it was much more likely for him to be reliant on Adora, actually. but i still wanted to make the relationship between the two matter. i'll get into that another time, though, if anybody's interested.

regardless, Rogelio does acknowledge that both of them are happier here. that Kyle is smiling and laughing, without awkwardness, embarrassment, or shame. that neither of them hate the work they're doing, even though it's hard.

they stay.

because why wouldn't they?

when Kyle and Adora see each other again, it's in s4 ( he is, unfortunately, unaware of the Horde's plans ), and they're both considerably better than before, but still, well... broken.

there's a moment where they're alone, where it's quiet and the responsibilities around them disappear, if only for a little.

leaders need rest, too.

[adorawasright]

when ppl make ROMANTIC c//a aus based on characters who are siblings... come on guys, you're so close.

[illusionshornss]

Introduction post thingy

I just realized I never properly introduced my blog so here we go.

Please note just because I don't ship certain ships if you ship those ships you are still welcome here, I've just had bad experiences with a few but as long as you are respectful you are welcome here :3

Hi my name is Via but you can call me Illusion as well :),I post mainly She-Ra stuff here (catradora and velocatradora)

I do alot of oc x cannon stuff too.

My toyhouse,Quotev and ao3

I post often,or well I try,I make a lot of silly little stories involving my characters,I have a toy house with some info on them as well.

I am also in a few other fandoms but I mainly post She-Ra:

Httyd

She-ra

Pokémon

The owl house

Avatar

Avatar the last airbender

Legend of korra

Steven universe

Wings of fire

Ninjago

Warrior cat's

Interact please!!!

She-ra fans

Adora fans

Catra fans

Catradora fans

Dragon fans

People who do oc x cannon ships(I post a lot of that here)

Eragon fans

Pokémon fans

Scorfuma and glimbow fans

Fanfic writers

Warrior cat fans

Wings of fire fans

Jasper fans

Thin ice

Glimadora/Glitra/Glitradora fans(You are still welcome here as long as you are respectful I've just had a few bad run ins with some people)

More will be added later

Do not interact

Catra antis/Haters

Adora Antis/Haters

Catradora haters/Antis

She-ra Antis/haters

People who change characters Sexualities (example people making Adora and catra straight or bisexual for fanfic/art(this includes oc x cannon or x reader, you will be blocked,they are cannon lesbians leave them alone)(-coming from a bisexual)

People who don't like Oc x cannon

More will be added later

Proshipers

Fetish artists

Weirdos(the bad kind)

[bat-circus]

So I hate catradora and Catra with my whole fucking being so I decided to make a oc to ship adora with because adora deserves better then that ugly ass cat please don’t mind how shitty this looks I’m sick

Marigold is a moth person (Luna moth) she was a newly appointed healer, she lived in a village with her parents and 5 siblings but the village ended up being attacked and raided by the horde leaving the village destroyed and bloody, Marigold and five other people were the only survivors The survivors consisted of three children a teen a very injured adult and marigold they had to take refuge in an abandoned greenhouse, they were in the greenhouse for a week and a half before being found by glimmer adora and bow and a few other rebellion soldiers, They were then taken back to bright moon to rest. With marigold being a healer her and adora became very close because she would heal adora a lot. She’s lesbian and asexual

[catras-breakup-song]

I'm so confused tbh

I see so many people both fans and especially anti's compare catradora to stolitz and I don't know why??? Like what do they actually have in common other than being toxic ships??? Do you have any ideas why?

considering i've literally never mentioned hellaverse on this blog before (and plan on this being the only time so i'll tag accordingly for people who don't want to see it here), i'm quite positive you sent this to the wrong one and meant to ask @/fandomcritical because of this post? i mean, granted, it's also one of my sideblogs so we're the same person, but i find this a little amusing!

honestly though, my best guess would just be that the audiences of these franchises overlap. people have/had multiple interests and comparing or contrasting them offers some food for thought, especially among "x-critical" communities. they notice what they interpret as similarities and run with it, which there's nothing inherently wrong with since anyone is allowed to share opinions (i just avoid those spaces since mine are more complicated and i don't always tend to agree with the majority enough, plus i try to be non-confrontational).

catradora and stolitz are definitely both toxic, but i only see one as currently? irredeemably abusive, showing no signs of improvement yet (which i elaborated on in the linked post), however i would like to see it happen. aside from that, and admitting that i'm rather biased in my take, i also don't understand how they're so easily juxtaposed. i never doubted that catra has perpetuated the cycle of her childhood and environment by becoming abusive to others in her life before becoming a better person, but also… she's not… y'know, a coercive rapist. i'd label that as far worse than saying hurtful words or scratching people on the back and leaving temporary marks. i don't count the portal-opening in this specific situation since that was not targeted toward any "victim" in particular except revenge on the rebellion as a whole movement, not necessarily adora, and shadow weaver, who was her own abuser rather than an innocent individual. i would assume anyone who recognizes the personal level of violation that is sexual coercion/assault would not relate it to a war crime that affects the world generally, but i guess you never know.

[spopsalt]

Hi friend, today, we are gonna see how spop fans are seen vs how they actually are by analysing some stuff, let's go:

SPOP fans: " ew, you can't ship Entrapta x Hordack, that's pedophile "

also SPOP fans: * simps for a teenager knowing that some of them, not all, are adults and call her sexy and hot *

SPOP fans: " Catra changed, stop being mad at her. Adora would hate you for that// you are wasting your breath talking shit about her"

also SPOP fans: * sends death threads and attack us anti C//A shippers instead of bloking and mind their own business *

SPOP fans: " ugh, i hate Scorpia, she doesn't respect Catra's personal space and call her a bad friend after that !!"

also SPOP fans: * forgot complete C*tr* did the same to Adora and noone cares a shit because they hate the main character *

SPOP fans: " you cannot compare lumity to catradora because lumity are kids who goes to school and catradora are adults in a war "

also SPOP fans: * make draws of them, even after 2 seconds they compare both ships *

SPOP fans: " i hate anti C//A shippers for using the same argument, can they even shut their mouth ?!"

also SPOP fans: * waste their breath talking to us, send us dead theards, calling us rasist, lesphobic, homophobics,etc. Instead of being a normal person and respect the person why they hate C//A *

SPOP fans: " ugh why anti Catra's always critic her, like they are so obssesed with a pixel ?? !!"

also SPOP fans: * being obssesed with C*tr* and calling her milf and mommy *

well friend, yesterday i came to think about how spop fans want's to be seemed like good people when they are not, but well here are the questions: do you agree with me ? is there something missing ? would you like the spop fandom be more civil instead of being a 12 child sending dead threads ?

Exactly, spop fans are massive hypocrits, they'll say and condirdict anything as long as it means that they don't have to agree that their precious little meow meow is abusive and that their ship is a toxic incest ship. Entrapdak isn't even pedofilia what? Entrapta is an adult

[anti-catradora-collection]

DO NOT GO AFTER THE PERSON THAT POSTED WHAT I MENTIONED BELOW!

i just saw a post saying about how they wanted c//a relationship to be mutually toxic when they were "enemies" (like both stabbing each other), and honestly, that's actually right. c//a weren't enemies, they simply were abuser x victim til the end of the series. they were never enemies because they were never on the same level. catra was the one controlling adora, the one who abandoned her, hurt her, almost killed her and the one who feed her own hatred for adora. adora, on the other hand, actively tried to get catra to change sides and even tried to understand her (which isn't a healthy way of dealing with abuse, just saying).

my problem with the post i mentioned above is: it wasn't saying that the c//a relationship we got was abusive. it simply said "it should've been MORE toxic", which implies that they think c//a were real enemies instead of abuser x victim. and people were rebloging mocking antis, making it seem like we wouldn't be able to take an actual enemies to lovers c//a when the main issue we actually have with this couple is the fact that it wasn't mutually toxic. instead, it's just abusive, and people keep refusing to see that.

(an example of an actual enemies to lovers ship is glitra. glimmer and catra were both on the same level at the war, both weren't really afraid of each other and and they both fought equally. see the difference between them and c//a here?)

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

i still don't get how the friends to enemies to lovers in nimona was so much better written and healthier than the one in spop, when both were written by the same person.

[bi-dykes]

anti-catradoras be like:

“omg I KNOW they’re enemies to lovers and they’re not supposed to be fluffy, YES I can handle enemies to lovers, just enemies to lovers who are written better! I swear I do like enemies to lovers just not catradora! Here’s toxic yuri that is chaotic and not fluffy that I DO like!”

This is not at all based off of a post I saw that said Glimmadora is true enemies to lovers written right whereas Catradora just goes to far to be enemies to lovers 🙃

[stanlunter]

hi i'm the anon who asked you a couple things the other day (you may be able to figure out who i am after reading and that's okay). i guess i just didn't see the posts you were referring to in both cases despite spending a while scrolling through your blog and just reading.

for some clarification about the wlw question, i didn't care about canon or fanon, i was just curious about how your opinions work since i personally do like many of the ships you don't, as well as some we mutually share, and i'm the type of person who wants to learn about differing viewpoints to understand them better despite that.

i'm also wondering how you like scorptra if you're a catradora anti since catra has been verbally abusive to scorpia at the very least, though i'm aware that's arguably better than her treatment of adora but still not healthy until the very end of the last episode.

i hope it's understood that my intention was not to challenge you as a gotcha but simply just to know you a bit better. i may have stopped feeling comfortable being mutuals with you (or just following? i don't remember tbh) for various reasons related to fandom but i still respect you as a person and your opinions so sometimes i come back.

also big W on harlivy and korrasami btw, i love our bi4bi queens

lastly i agree with you 100% on the lunter tiktok video, i love voidpitws' edits very much so i still follow on instagram but i don't support the superiority complex all the canon sibling truthers have when they're wrong 🤷

Hi!

Yeah, that's fine, I understand that a lot of people can have different opinions with me, since a lot of mine are controversional, even if you agree with some

I would love to answer your question about Scorptra and Catradora tho

First of all, catradora being abusive isn't even the only reason why I hate this ship. I talked about it before so I don't wanna fully describe everything again, I will just call them: it ruined s5 and both of Adora and Catra's arcs and that's basically a canon incest, since they werent even just portrayed as adoptive sisters, but even the whole crew, including Nate, have admitted it multipe times. You can try to find some posts about it in anti tags, there is actually a lot of information, if you're actually interested

Now, about abusiveness and Scorptra. Tbh, I really don't understand how can people even compare these two, when these ships are so different, but anyways. I will talk about Scorptra s1-3 and s4 separately, since the whole portal arc has changed so many things

Let's see. Why I consider Catradora as an extremely abusive relationship?

Let's compare Catradora to s1-3 Scorptra

Catra hates Adora and tried to make her suffer as much as possible. Every time she saw Adora, she did everything to hurt her either physically, or mentally, by making her self-hatred stronger than it ever was and used every opportunity to do this. And no, It never was "bc they were at the war". Catra did it bc she just personally hated Adora and wanted to make her feel pain, no one made Catra do this, it was always her personal desire. And even when they were kids, she was the same. And the reason why It's rather "abuser x victim", than "enemies" is bc Adora never treated Catra the same. If in case with Glimmer, It's at least mutual, than with Adora it never was. Catra was always the one who tried to find a fight with Adora. Adora never tried to hurt Catra and never tried to offend her. All she was doing was self-defense. And claiming self-defense as smth even near to abuse, is just horribly and a victim-blaming. Also you can see, every time Adora "hurt" Catra (even tho it was never Adora's fault and was always on Catra's victim complex) she immidiatly tried to apologize and to fix it, just bc she cared about Catra's feelings, even tho it was never her fault and responsibility

What about Scorptra? Well, Catra just never tried to make Scorpia hate herself and feel awful and didn't tried to physically hurt her. We can say Catra did say smth offensive to Scorpia, but it was never bc she wanted to hurt her, but rather bc Catra didn't care about Scorpia yet and Scorpia's love to Catra was confusing to Catra, she didn't even understand that Scorpia loves her, for her Scorpia was just weird and kinda annoying, especially bc for Catra It had to take a lot of time to love someone, so after s2 (White out episode) when she realized that Scorpia actually cares about her and isn't just being annoying, she accepts Scorpia and starts caring about her back. And after that episode she stops thinking about Scorpia as about just someone weird and starts thinking about her as a friend who cares about her like Adora did once

So, after that Catra starts developing her trust and careness to Scorpia. She desides to be honest with Scorpia and lets her in, by letting Scorpia help her. And then, when she realized that Scorpia isn't even "just" care about her, but also is ready to sacrafice everything she had to save Catra, Catra does the same to Scorpia and puts Scorpia's life before her own. And that's her most selfless action, which, Imo is much more selfless than Catra ever was in s1 or s5 with Adora. Bc, if Catra never thought Adora actually cares about her and thought Adora cares about SW and her role much more, with Scorpia it was the first time she saw someone who cares about her more, than about anything else. And when she realizes it, she desides to do the same for Scorpia, bc she values it so much.

And then they spend the happiest day in their life in a Crimson waste, being mutually respectful to each other and mutually loving being around each other

So I genuinely don't understand how can people say Scorpia was abusive there just bc it was a slow-burn for Catra, bc she has the clearest attachment-issues and couldn't believe someone can actually love her due to her life experience. But I think that's what makes their relationship with Scorpia only more important, bc Scorpia managed to "deserve" Catra's trust, love, respect and careness, even tho Catra was actually such a selfish person who is afraid of being used and left and didn't believe anyone can actually care about her. Scorpia was the first person who has shown Catra that she doesn't have to deserve love to be loved (like it was with SW) . And that she's not alone and that there are people who care about her and are not gonna leave her. For who Catra isn't just an "another friend" to use and leave, who doesn't worth staying for (like from her perspective she was for Adora. Which, again, I obviously don't blame Adora for, she didn't have to care only about Catra, It's just what Catra thought about Adora). Even if we compare Adora and Scorpia's leaving:

Adora left the Horde despite Catra, Scorpia left the Horde because of Catra

Adora showed Catra that she doesn't worth staying in the Horde. And Scorpia showed Catra that the only thing that could make her leave the Horde is Catra

Also, every time Adora tried to help Catra or just did something well, Catra was jealous and envy, bc she saw Adora as a competitor, which isn't healthy, especially considering the fact that Adora never saw Catra the same way. And when Scorpia helps Catra and does her job well, Catra sees, respects and thanks her. That's why her in s4 saying Scorpia she's useless was a straight up lie

Here we go to another thing: Catra always saw Adora as her enemy or a rival, not just as a friend. Which created a super unhealthy dynamic between them. Catra was always the envy friend to Adora, who can't be happy for her and always finds a way do downplay her achievements like we've seen in ep1. Catra was not only envy of Adora's achievements and respect, but also of Shadow Weaver's love. Which was a sibling jealous of a mother or a mother figure, their whole "Golden child" and "Scapegoat child" dynamic with an abusive mother figure

And so Catra's envyness lead to hateness and the hateness lead to unhealthy obsessesion Catra had

She made her whole life and whole goal to make Adora "lose", bc she couldn't handle Adora winning her. She was ready to destroy the whole world just bc of it which isn't healthy in any way. And if you're gonna call Scorpia "obsessed" with Catra, remember that Scorpia was the one who was against activating the portal bc of the risks and tried to make Catra change her mind even despite loving her, while Catra still did it bc of her obsessesion with Adora. Catra was litterally addicted and I do not think giving an addict their addition in the end as a praise is healthy. Catra should have been learnt to let her obsessesion go, to get a life, to find other reasons and goals to live, besides hunting Adora. It could be anything. But giving her just what she was so obsessed with is the worst idea Nate could possible choose

And what about Adora?

Even tho Catra was her best friend, Adora never cared about her as much in the first place. Basically, unlike Catra, Adora always had her own life that wasn't only about her love interest. If the only thing Catra had in the Horde was Adora, Adora did have a lot of things besides Catra: she had Lonnie, Kyle and Rogelio, she had SW's admiration, she had the Horde's respect and she had her own goals. Catra was in her life too, but she was never the first for Adora. Which is absolutely okay. What is not okay is Catra's life, since she decided to dadicate it to Adora and when Adora left, she became lonely. I can't blame her for that, but Catra's life is Catra's responsility and making it only about one person is just stupid and never ends well. So, that's true that Adora never wanted Catra as much as Catra wanted her. Tbh, Adora never even recalled Catra in a good way after s1, so, as someone who was never a catradora shipper, before s5 I had no idea and no thoughts that Adora actually cares about Catra, not even to mention that she "loves" her and this ship never made sense to me bc it. It was always so one-sided. And the way Catradora shippers are trying to call Scorptra one-sided, makes me think they just skipped the whole s3.

So , for Adora Catra was always just an ex friend who for some reason (since Adora didn't understand it) decided to hate and fight her, just bc for some reason she didn't want to go with her. Catra's behavior never made sense to Adora and that's also strange to me that they didn't want to mention it in s5.

And the worst thing is not even that for Adora Catra was always just an "ex friend", but that she also was a cruel enemy, who made Adora go throught so much trauma, made her hate herself and think that she should die and that her life has no worth, that she only makes things worse and doesn't deserve anything good, while in reality Adora is the most selfless and kind person out of the whole show. Catra tortured Adora, killed a mother of her best friend, terrorized the planed and took away homes and lives of so many innocent people. Adora didn't just despise Catra, but she hated her for everything she has done and s5 has completely erased that fact. And it wasn't the "love-hate" type of hate, It's a hateness people have to terrorists, murderouses and war criminals that take away people's lives and make the life horrible. And that's ridicilous how so many fans really think that's just bc it wasn't directly shown in a kid show means It's not true, while It's very much is and was so heavily implied. Like they think a "war" is when two lesbians are arguing, not when people are losing their homes and families and die. And Adora, as someone who can't stand cruelty and injustice, has litterally left the Horde to protect those people. Making Adora suddenly "love" someone who has done all these things makes no sense and was so stupid and horrible.

Especially considering the fact that her whole arc in s3 was about learning that she's not responsible for Catra's actions, that Catra decided to live like this herself and that Adora doesn't have to baby sit Catra and what SW did to Catra wasn't on Adora either and that she didn't have to be responsible for it. Adora did a right chose to leave an abusive environment and she actually did ask Catra to go with her many times. Yet what do we see in s5? Catra is a victim of everyone. Catra opening the portal and abusing every is now SW's responsibility and not Catra's one, Adora is also blamed for leaving Catra and not for chosing to love some days with Catra over saving the whole world and Adora has to baby sit Catra every fucking minute

It has completely destroyed everything that had been building for 4 seasons and that's terrible not only just for Adora, or even Catra, but for the whole ending and finale season.

So now about Scorptra in s4

While I do agree that their relationship obviously wasn't healthy there and Catra treated Scorpia and everyone around really bad, I don't think their relationship can be called abusive bc of that like catradora during their whole relationship.

First of all, when we talk about characters relationship, we should consider all of their relationship during the whole show in general, not just take out of the context one arc and run with it. If catradora was toxic and abusive on every single stage (when they were kids in the Horde, when they were enemies and when they became friends - couple), Scorptra, like I've already described it, wasn't. They mutually cared about each other and Catra didn't treat Scorpia horribly. S1-s3 was the default of their relationship and s4 wasn't what Scorpia and Catra's relationship is normally, it was what they turned into due to the stress and the whole shit that has happened in the finale of s3. Which doesn't justify Catra ofc, but it does show that Catra actually cares about Scorpia and what was in s4 was rather an exception, than what their relationship actually is. During it, Catra hated herself for what she did, she became like a "full" villain, she was angry on herself and on everyone else and focused on her goal to destroy the rebelion and started ignoring everything else that was and still is important to her, like Scorpia. So, after such a huge action, that has changed the war so much, that Catra had more things to care about than ever. What Im saying is that Catra's anger in s4 wasn't aimed at Scorpia. Scorpia just happened to be a scapegoat of Catra's stress and guilt. While with Adora, Catra did aim her anger exactly at her. And in this case the whole "they were at war" excuse fits much better, since Catra's anger at Scorpia was caused by the stress at the war and the portal, while dor Adora it was just a pure haterd. So, does it make it okay? Absolutely not, it still was unhealthy. But does it change everything and make Catra's relationship with Scorpia and Adora incomparable? Absolutely yes.

And what confirmes this fact is Catra's reaction there:

First of all, Catra didn't realize how much her words hurt Scorpia. Like I said before, Catra didn't mean to hurt her in the first place, she just wanted to be left alone and to put her anger on someone. And when Scorpia says Catra is a bad friend, she immidiatly realizes it and feels bad about hurting Scorpia, feels guilt. Something she never felt while hurting Adora. When she was hurting Adora, she was enjoying it and didn't think there was her fault, she put it on Adora. However with Scorpia, just when Catra realizes she hurt Scorpia, she immidiatly gets that It was her fault and that Scorpia didn't deserve it. And as we see later, Catra immidiatly stopped acting like this towards Scorpia and started treating her better (for example, sharing her thoughts and feelings with her, as a friend), the only problem is that it was too late.

When Hordak asked Catra where was Entrapta's recording, Catra lied to him, saying she didn't find it, bc she knew if Hordak found out Scorpia has damaged it, she would get in troubles.

So she takes Hordak's aggression on herself, instead of letting him hurt Scorpia. Just like she did in the prison scene, when she didn't let Scorpia help her get out bc Scorpia would have troubles bc of that. This shows us how much Catra actually cares about Scorpia, even when she is in the wrong and acts toxic.

And the saddest thing is that they actually could be together, happy and in healthy relationship, if only the creators decided to let Catra let go her obsessesion with Adora, for example, in the Crimson waste. I really love the idea of them staying there in s3, instead of returning to the Horde. It seems like it would be much better for everyone. Or at least, if s5 was written better and Catra actually had at least some screen time with Scorpia, they also could leave others and return to the Crimson waste as they wanted to.

So, It's not like I look at Catra yelling at Scorpia in s4 and think "ohh, that's so cute, they should kiss now", It's that their whole relationship was beautiful, complex and dramatic. Bc Catra could be happy with Scorpia, but her obsessesion was stronger and it ruined everything. I'll dare to call it "doomed yuri", bc of how tragic Catra's issues made it

Well, I think that's all, hope I did answer your questions

[fandomeldersintheirthirties]

7.) Ship the antis in your fandom like, but you think is hella problematic?

Catradora (Catra X Adora from Se-Ra and the Princesses of Power). It's hella abusive and if you stretch it they are adopted siblings too. The antiship-aligned shippers desperately refuse to admit any problematic astpects of this ship and still trash on proshippers in the fandom even though their ship easily falls into "problematic ship" criteria c: