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And for others curious the one other is Magnus/Alex and it is the best relationship in the whole Riordanverse franchise featuring the first queer kiss
Top 100 PJO Ships
Decided to check out the fic numbers again this year. These are only for romantic pairings, not platonic, and only counts numbers from AO3. To see last year's Top PJO Ships, click this link.
(as of 02/05/2023)
1. Annabeth/Percy (10,983)
2. Nico/Will (9,859)
3. Jason/Piper (3,157)
4. Nico/Percy (3,144)
5. Hazel/Frank (2,631)
6. Jason/Percy (1,530)
7. Calypso/Leo (1,360)
8. Nico/Jason (1,263)
9. Apollo/Percy (872)
10. Magnus/Alex (801)
11. Annabeth/Piper (759)
12. Nico/Leo (692)
13. Jason/Leo (691)
14. Luke/Percy (566)
15. Thalia/Reyna (561)
16. Paul/Sally (560)
17. Jason/Reyna (346)
18. Clarisse/Chris (336)
19. Silena/Charles (320)
20. Katie/Travis (292)
21. Juniper/Grover (279)
22. Annabeth/Reyna (268)
23. Luke/Thalia (256)
24. Hades/Persephone (252)
25. Sally/Poseidon (249)
26. Rachel/Percy (234)
27. Piper/Reyna (229)
28. Hazel/Frank/Leo (223)
29. Nico/Jason/Percy (208)
30. Artemis/Percy (168)
31. Piper/Leo (163)
32. Luke/Annabeth (162)
33. Leo/Frank (144)
34. Piper/Shel (139)
35. Annabeth/Nico/Percy (132)
36. Silena/Clarisse (132)
37. Percy/Will (125)
38. Amphitrite/Poseidon (122)
39. Mitchell/Connor (110)
40. Percy/Leo (110)
41. Thalia/Percy (109)
42. Percy/Poseidon (105)
43. Hera/Zeus (103)
44. Percy/Piper (100)
45. Hermes/Percy (96)
46. Percy/Zeus (89)
47. Maria/Hades (85)
48. Percy/Reyna (85)
49. Calypso/Percy (85)
50. Percy/Zoe (84)
51. Artemis/Zoe (80)
52. Rachel/Reyna (78)
53. Luke/Ethan (76)
54. Percy/Octavian (70)
55. Annabeth/Jason (70)
56. Ares/Percy (68)
57. Bianca/Thalia (67)
58. Jason/Piper/Leo (65)
59. Percy/Triton (64)
60. Apollo/Hyacinthus (63)
61. Hades/Percy (60)
62. Reyna/Leo (59)
63. Annabeth/Thalia (57)
64. Annabeth/Rachel (53)
65. Annabeth/Piper/Reyna (52)
66. Athena/Percy (50)
67. Dionysus/Percy (49)
68. Hazel/Piper (49)
69. Luke/Octavian (49)
70. Percy/Kronos (46)
71. Aphrodite/Percy (46)
72. Percy/Ethan (45)
73. Rachel/Octavian (42)
74. Percy/Grover (40)
75. Sally/Gabe (40)
76. Nico/Thalia (39)
77. Annabeth/Nico (39)
78. Calypso/Piper (38)
79. Bianca/Percy (38)
80. Hestia/Percy (36)
81. Reyna/Drew (35)
82. Connor/Travis (35)
83. Luke/Nico (34)
84. Annabeth/Connor (34)
85. Annabeth/Clarisse (34)
86. Leo/Will (34)
87. Jason/Octavian (33)
88. Percy/Clarisse (33)
89. Bianca/Zoe (32)
90. May/Hermes (31)
91. Calypso/Reyna (29)
92. Annabeth/Jason/Percy (29)
93. Hephaestus/Percy (29)
94. Rachel/Nico (27)
95. Apollo/Lityerses (26)
96. Octavian/Nico (25)
97. Bianca/Nico (24)
98. Percy/Drew (24)
99. Annabeth/Leo (24)
100. Percy/Connor/Travis (23)
#FierroChase#it's better the Percabeth#no i will not be taking questions#obviously this is just my opinion#other ships are completely valid#except Luke/Annabeth#or Luke/Percy#or Gabe/Sally#we don't ship groomers#and we don't ship abusers#and fuck the Bianca/Nico ship#they're full blooded siblings#just ew
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I'm really not a villain enjoyer. I love anti-heroes and anti-villains. But I can't see fictional evil separate from real evil. As in not that enjoying dark fiction means you condone it, but that all fiction holds up some kind of mirror to the world as it is. Killing innocent people doesn't make you an iconic lesbian girlboss it just makes you part of the mundane and stultifying black rot of the universe.
"But characters struggling with honour and goodness and the egoism of being good are so boring." Cool well some of us actually struggle with that stuff on the daily because being a good person is complicated and harder than being an edgelord.
Sure you can use fiction to explore the darkness of human nature and learn empathy, but the world doesn't actually suffer from a deficit of empathy for powerful and privileged people who do heinous stuff. You could literally kill a thousand babies in broad daylight and they'll find a way to blame your childhood trauma for it as long as you're white, cisgender, abled and attractive, and you'll be their poor little meow meow by the end of the week. Don't act like you're advocating for Quasimodo when you're just making Elon Musk hot, smart and gay.
#this is one of the reasons why#although i would kill antis in real life if i could#i also don't trust anyone who identifies as 'pro-ship'#it's just an excuse to shut down legitimate ethical questions and engaging in honest self-reflective media consumption and critique#art doesn't exist in a vacuum#it's a flat impossibility for it not to inform nor be informed by real world politics and attitudes#because that's what it means to be created by human hands#we can't even make machine learning thats not just human bias fed into an algorithm#if the way we interact with art truly didn't influence anything then there would be no value in it#just because antis have weaponized those points in the most bad faith ways possible#doesn't mean you can ignore them in good faith#anyway fandom stans villains because society loves to defend and protect abusers#it's not because you get the chance to be free and empathetic and indulge in your darkness and what not#it's just people's normal levels of attachment to shitty people with an added layer of justification for it#this blog is for boring do-gooder enjoyers only#lol#knee of huss#fandom wank#media critique#pop culture#fandom discourse
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I don't like the judo flip in moa as much as the next guy but in my eyes it's largely the result of rick not taking female violence half as seriously as male violence (a result of viewing women as weaker and inferior to men such that their acts of violence don't need to be taken as seriously) and not so much anything about annabeth herself. like I do genuinely feel that annabeth is a complex heroine and definitely one of the better ones in the realm of ya action-adventure fiction produced in the past 25 years but she is still a girl being written by a man and all I'm saying is that her writing clearly reflects that sometimes (more in tags)
#case in point: the amazons#hazel: you keep slaves????#kenzie: no. the men just know their place#like...... sure jan. the parody of amazon the company isn't actually using immoral labor the workers just like it that way 🥰#but that line about “knowing their place” would not fly the other way around#because women in power are not taken as seriously as a group of men dominating female workers would be#(we could talk about the futurama amazons too in this context because it's pretty much the same issue of female violence not#being taken seriously and played for laughs instead. iykyk)#do you guys know that trope of girls who are just comically aggressive and mean towards guys who barely reciprocate the energy#(like the majority of the female cast of naruto falls into this trope. again iykyk)#it's like a shallow attempt to write a strong female character by just making her an Angry mean nasty man-hater#or it's just a validation of some nerd's worldview that women are just always so mean towards men who never do anything wrong#and they definitely don't have power over women in society women are just Like that. for some reason#anyways if you couldn't tell by my pfp I'm an annabeth fan so I definitely don't mean this in an anti-annabeth way#just in a Critical of the way rick portrays women way#specifically women that he wants to come off as strong/powerful#and if you are a fellow annabeth stan and feel upset by this all I can say is that it isn't a bad thing to be critical of the way our faves#are written and in fact critical reading is a very important skill to exercise 👍#this is also why I'm annoyed by the “annabeth is abusive” allegations because it's like Ok she's clearly not intended to come off that way#so instead of meaninglessly antagonizing annabeth (who isn't real) or fans who enjoy her/the ship in its entirety#what can we glean about the flaws of the writing. what can we glean about biases of the author who wrote the damn thing#(not saying I even agree with the allegations to begin with because I Don't but yk)#this whole thing stems from social constructs around gender (everything else in the world does) i.e. public reception to female violence#where real world female violence isn't taken seriously so female criminals face less harsh punishments OR the other way around and female#cruelty is received as even more egregious than male cruelty because how dare a woman be anything but kind and nurturing and angelic#btw this is not a safe space to be anti percãbeth/annabeth in my notifs keep that to yourself bud 👍#rr crit#pjo hoo toa#percy jackson
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If I say Ford should be allowed to exist as an imperfect victim of abuse without being shamed for falling for that abuse while also being allowed to be viewed as an ass at points, will the fandom flay me alive on both sides?
#Hayley Speaks#HE'S BOTH OKAY. HE CAN BE BOTH.#How are you going to say he's an imperfect victim and then ignore the imperfect part#Everybody in the show is an ass at points; he is no exception#'HE'S NEURODIVERGENT' And? He can still be an ass. Do you think neurodivergent people can't be an ass at points?#But!! Him being a bit of an ass isn't an excuse for the abuse he suffered#I dunno; I keep seeing people veer way too far to defend him and end up erasing elements of him that make him actually interesting#Anyway I am NOT making this rebloggable because the fandom scares me#This is also not a Ford hate post; we don't do that here#I just think he's more interesting when we don't ignore certain elements of his character for the sake of defending him#Kind of like Stan!#He's an ass! And I love that! I hate seeing people erase that; especially as of late for the sake of shipping him with a CERTAIN someone#And now I've gotta stop before I start getting annoyed with the sudden boom of F/ddlestan shippers who don't understand his character
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remember that post that was like “c//a needed to be more toxic, they should have stabbed each other”?
i hate to say it but attempted murder was the least of c//a's concerns. stabbing each other would somehow be healthier than all the shit that was shoved into this trainwreck of a ship.
#they really think that we call c//a toxic because catra tried to kill adora#and not because of all the psychological and physical abuse even when they were friends#how cute#don't get me wrong i'm not saying that attempted murder is okay#but that's a staple in most serious enemies to lovers ships#that's not what made c//a toxic#spop critical#spop salt#spop criticism#spop#spop discourse#she ra#anti spop#anti catra#anti catradora#anti c//a#antic//a#anticatra#anticatradora#tw abuse
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unpopular opinion: i know most of the show fans find ursula bonadeo annoying and dislike her character because cesare projected lucrezia onto her and used her as a substitute. but after many rewatches, i grew to like her. she's very pretty, and she was very sweet to lucrezia while helping her with giving birth. i feel sorry for her because she's a noble young woman who spent her life trapped with an abusive husband who beats her. and when she thought she finally found this handsome, honorable savior who could free her (even though she was indecisive about him, which i don't blame her because women back in that era didn't have many choices, and her husband would probably kill her if he found out about her and cesare), he turned out to be unhinged, as he seduces her, and manipulates her while being lustfully obsessive over her. so, she was rightfully terrified and frustrated by cesare because he eventually assaulted her and dragged her around while forcing himself on her because she didn't exactly look like the perfect image (mirror of his sister) in his head after she cut her hair. then she got a very brutal end at the hands of the french army, raping her and mutilating her. she lived most of her life being tormented by cruel men. her character makes me so sad thinking about the women who were mistreated and killed by their abusive partners and were lost and forgotten to time because of the patriarchal system since it is beyond horrible towards women.
#thanks for coming to my ted talk (is that still a thing though?)#i'm just very weak for women okay?#i'm a cesare x lucrezia ride or die girlie through and through#but it wasn't the only reason why i didn't ship cesare with ursula#i'm not saying i don't like dark ships buuuut...#cesare x ursula just never clicked with me at all because all i was doing was rooting for ursula to leave cesare for not respecting her#she mostly existed to drive cesare's bloodthirst as we saw how he managed to murder her husband and then later avenging her#i'm probably the only person who is crying about ursula right now#ursula bonadeo#ruta gedmintas#the borgias#tw rape#tw abuse#text post#jen's unpopular opinions
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sick of people acting like pedophiles (especially in the queer community) are a kind of boogeyman made up to turn us against each other. it's insulting & isolating to people who have actually been abused. it's disgusting that the queer community has made space for these people & continue to make it clear that their victims are unwelcome, at risk of being accused of abuse & bigotry themselves & being attacked & harassed for it. I'm so fucking tired. do you even understand the damage you're causing
#as someone who's seen how this shit ruins lives & even kills i'm fucking done with people defending this bullshit#do people really think ''freedom of speech'' means ''freedom to do technically not illegal shit without social consequences''#do people really hear about people being traumatized & think ''but my ships'' because from my point of view that's what i'm seeing#''not my trauma not my problem!'' soooo funny how the leftism just up & leaves people's bodies#when it comes to analyzing behaviours called into question by people who've witnessed said behaviours at their worst#you should want to grow & be a better person. if you refuse you can't be mad when people don't wanna talk to you#because you romanticize & emulate their abuser's. well. abusive behaviour#congratulations on being an asshole. have fun with your personality stagnating. we all love standing water & the diseases it carries right?
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Kataang is cute zutara is hot zukaang is god tier and ship wars are dumb
#kataang#zutara#Multishipping is superior to acting like one is abusive and evil#atla#zukaang#all 3 have things i find appealing#kataang wholesome im here for women takes care of man tbh i#don't see the problem its fictional#zutara im a sucker for the pirate scene sue me#zukaang is wholesome if aang was 14 it be more popular#i also dig jetko x a#and azulaang#im to old to care about ships being perfectly healthy#ive been deep in shipping bogs and think man we all need to chill
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Bakudeku-antis are so brain dead. "Bakugou told deku to kill himself!" That was six seasons and over 400 chapters of character growth and development ago.
Even if you don't ship it, you cannot deny the obvious close bond they have with one another. Just writing it off as abusive and unhealthy doesn't work anymore.
Bakugou was awful to Deku. Like genuinely. He bullied him both physically and verbally. There's no doubt about that. But Bakugou has come so far since then. Acknowledged how much of an asshole he was. Realized how much his friendship or relationship with Deku means to him. And apologized for everything he did. And didn't stop making up for what he did after he apologized. He spent seven years of time and money so he could see Deku continue his dream, and so they could be rivals once again and stand by each other's side.
Ship or not, they mean a lot to each other. You really can't pretend they don't.
#we are so past the bakugou being abusive argument jfc#like i don't really ship them (rodydeku is endgame in my heart)#but they obviously mean SO much to each other#i wouldn't be surprised if they were confirmed to be queer-coded cause like#deku#izuku midoriya#bakugou#katsuki bakugou#bakudeku#mha#my hero academia#bnha
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How I feel because Wolfwren didn't never will happen
#anti wolfwren#how about we don't ship abuse#ashoka#sabine wren#anti sabine x shin#sabezra#star wars
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Going Through It in a way that only danvis can fix I think
#mystreet.... :(( i miss my block men#but ever since that travlyn Situation on my blog i DREAD using it#i hate people misunderstanding me and i got Death Threats over a Minecraft Roleplay series because i don't like Katelyn#because i don't think travlyn is a healthy ship because shes canonically physically abusive and hes canonically known for harassment/sa#and Travis is the Only character that gets a REDEMPTION ARC FROM HIS PUSHY COMMENTS AND WEIRD FLIRTING. HE GETS BACKSTORY AND REASON#HE GETS AN ARC#my boy gets a whole improvement arc and grows and changes and learns#he gets an implied reason for why those behaviors were normal to him. between Dante TEACHING HIM TO DO IT. AND MICHAEL BEING CREEPY#Michael was LITERALLY IMPLIED TO HAVE SAED THE BOYS MOTHER IN MCD AND DID YOU GUYS EVEN WATCH S6???? HES A CREEP.#and Travis CHANGES FOR KATELYN very very very early on. THE LITERAL LATER POINTS IN SEASON ONE!??? S1 !!!#Katelyns arc happens OFF CAMERA. after Travis is the FIRST CHARACTER to EVER have a scene calling out abuse directly??#HE CALLS HER OUT ON YELLING AND HITTING HIM and its continued AFTER HIS IMPROVEMENT AND ARC#i WISH we got to know her arc and her redemption but WE DONT its just There one day. shes just BETTER ONE DAY and i hate it#she feels like a background character and i don't like her#she has GREAT POTENTIAL with her backstory. her mother. etcetera. but its WASTED and never talked about.#i want to give her a real character instead of her being the Angry wlw character trope that Stops For A Man she used to hate + secretly love#i hate travlyn. i hate the SA from Travis and the physical abuse from Katelyn. i hate how the ship ruined her character#and yet Made his. travlyn pushed Katelyn into a one dimensional character pretending to be three dimensional#and somehow took Travis down the pipeline of becoming a three dimensional character. idk.#i want Katelyn to be something good. better. more than “angry bi girl who becomes soft for a guy” and more than “vague mommy issues”#i WISH she and luca had more time. luca was the only thing that could have made katelyn more than what she was.#luca helped explore katelyns struggles with opening up and communicating and anger issues in a REAL WAY#not “she pretends to hate boy and hits him because she secretly loves him lol look shes blushing and defensive teehee”#shes so much more than that but its NEVER ACTUALLY SHOWN. JUSTICE FOR MY LOVELY LADY.#im so upset.#im SO UPSET
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No One: Me: Fundamentally, Wyler is a bit toxic as ships go but they're also very healthy in terms of being able to see two characters 100% in it for themselves. Their self worth and their gain, it's an equal partnership and whilst they may compromise they always put their wants and needs first and THAT'S important, it might not be 'Romantic' in that sense but you know what? I love seeing couples who don't have to worry about the other one dying because they know damn well that they will FIGHT to survive, even if it means one of them is killed ultimately by the other. In a life or death situation one of them will not die for the other but will die to the other, kill for each other. Wednesday says it herself "I will always put my wants and needs first" and honestly I really think the ship is an excellently written one with a lot of potential in the future-
Also Me: Lovers to Enemies to Lovers goes brrrrr
#wednesday#wednesday addams#tyler galpin#wyler#weyler#QuadsandHydes#OTP: Teenage Tearaways#I AM NOT GOING TO PRETEND THAT THEY AREN'T AN EXCELLENT SHIP#Like I'm gay and this is some of the most homoerotic shit that I've seen a M/F pairing have in YEARS#Also like Tyler??? Is in a very??? Abusive??? Situation???#Like with Gates and the Master BS we don't know how much was his choice#I mean killing Rowan seems to be 100% his choice if you just like rewatch the first episode it's so obvious#Also there's no logical reason that Thornhill/Gates would want to kill a Nevermore student at that point in time#SO YEAH TYLER HAS KILLED FOR WEDNESDAY
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Mate how am I supposed to take for real your call out document if one of the offenses listed there is "Pro-ship"
#like oh my god idk how to tell you that im not 12 anymore#I couldn't care less about people's stances on shipping#irl people genuinely do not care if the two fictional characters you ship are abusive to each other or siblings or whatever#because people who aren't chronically online know how to distinguish reality from fiction#I call myself pro-ship exactly because i don't care what people ship i am so beyond this tired discourae#discourse*#like irl i am known as the coffin addicted person and the denji x makima person and who cares absolutely nobody#they just think i have a nerdy hobby and we move on
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my very sexy curse of liking the most radioactive ships in a fandom
#i wish there was a way to tell tumblr to automatically block accounts who block one of your sideblogs!#i am glad people are just flat-out blocking me instead of interacting! still sucks though!#its not even a “YOU don't like ME???” kind of thing#like im cool w ppl just not liking me because they just don't like me! whatever! we don't have to be friends!#but it's a constant reminder of just how CONSERVATIVE queer fandom has gotten in the last decade???#20+ year age gaps were just de rigueur and now people are like#“UHMM...A 32 Y/O CAN'T DATE A 25 Y/O WHATS WRONG WITH YOU THAT'S LITERALLY ABUSE???”#vita.txt#i hate it here and i wish BSD wasn't what the idiot autistic goblin who lives in my brain wanted!#is this going to be why i finally learn japanese? maybe#at least they aren't sending death threats over ship drama from what I can tell (:#to have your main interest in life (fandom) suddenly be full of people who aren't shy to say they want you dead is like...super fun!
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just finished book of bill and i wanna smash in the head of billford shippers a little bit. i think if you unironically ship billford you have to give every gf fan who's survived abused $100 and an essay on how bill is a textbook abuser
#like obviously i already didn't like billford shippers but. jesus christ did we read the same book#anywho#if u don't want book of bill spoilers don't read the tags#like book of bill was very good!! very solid writing#it also undeniably a story of abuse from the POV and framing of the abuser#ford's arc in the book is incredible and is an amazing footnote to his arc in the show#when he talks about the shame and humiliation that...i mean i can't say anything about that hasn't been said before#but it hit for sure#also the bit that fucked me up the most was the polaroid of bill!ford hammering his hand. i had such a visceral reaction to that#also i just stared at it and thought “oh god people read this and saw this polaroid and *shipped* them”#anyway might actually make a post later on my thoughts on book of bill but I'm still digesting it right now
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when i tell you en.deavor/hawks as a ship makes me physically ill
#i don't usually make my distaste for any one ship known on main but#holy shit#and yes im sure me being a da.bi lover first and foremost has lots to do with this#but we saw the victim of abuse ha.wks signs... we saw the abuser en.ji signs.... we took the exit anyway#fucking foul#or fowl ig#⸻ › … out of character .
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