#and the quirk singularity theory

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#quirk doomsday theory#was created by a shoddy excuse of a scientist and hasn't gone through any actual testing to make it a proper theory#in the scientific sense#there's enough evidence against in in the setting to call it a bunch of croc

#plus also if quirk doomsday theory true (which I don't buy b/c its stupid and I'm a biologist)#then if people continue to be born with more and more powerful quirks that come in earlier and earlier that their bodies cant handle#then quirked people will stop being born after a certain point#if fetuses in utero can't handle the shit or if the pregnant parents end up dying more birthing#uber powerful babies

I'd love to hear more about your thoughts on the quirk singularity theory/quirk doomsday theory from a biologist standpoint! This part of the tags on your quirkless demographics post was so interesting.

Mostly the quirk doomsday theory makes a lot of assumptions that a trend will just accelerate into infinity to an entirely illogical endpoint. Like, it looks really similar to a lot of shit pop cultural takes on evolution in media, and given the mangaka is acting like 20% of a population is a 'dying breed' showing just an astoundingly bad understanding of statistics, I wouldn't be surprised that their understanding of evolution is similarly fucked.

Plus the character who proposed it did so in like the what? 2nd generation of quirks at best? So their information/research was probably very limited given the political climate at the time (which seems to have been a lot of fucking chaos and a semi societal collapse?). (Also the character who coined the theory is clearly biased and a demonstratively shit scientist. And the person who bankrolled the research, assuming any actual research was done, is also biased in favor of the theory.)

Also, the entire existence of vestigial mutations that aren't connected to a quirk is very good evidence against that theory b/c it shows that quirks can weaken to the point of nonfunctionality across generations.

Plus, like, quirks becoming uncontrollable wouldn't lead to the end of humanity. It would more likely lead to people with wild overpowered quirks declining in the population either due to having issues like living, troubles carrying babies to term, quirks that develop too soon in a fetus ending the parent or the fetus, being passed over as partners for multiple reasons and just... wouldn't be the end of humanity. Especially if like every one-in-five people are quirkless. At the very least a decent chunk of the population would survive the so called singularity/doomsday.

(Also so much about the body horror 'singularity' fuckery going on with Shigaraki and AfO is extremely silly to me. Just b/c the mangaka decided that fuckers can pull mass out of thin air and ignore all forms of physical trauma doesn't mean I have to pretend that bodies can do any of that. Like? It takes calories to move that finger forest fuckery that Shigaraki's puppet zombie body does not have and hasn't taken in.)

[keyt-solani]

So... what's supposed to happen with the quirk singularity theory? The theory that we spent so much time on that stated that one day quirks would be too powerful for humanity to control? The theory that was created by Ujiko, the theory that motivated Overhaul to try to destroy quirks? The theory that Eri's quirk proves? The theory that is also supported by the overpowered kindergarteners Shoto and Bakugo had barely been able to control? Did we like... just forget about that?

[swan2swan]

Really curious about Ben's use of "them" throughout the gas station thing.

Are the attendant's pronouns they/them? Doesn't really come up. Seems pretty he/they.

Were there supposed to be two attendants in the original script? Or a differently-modeled character? I don't think Brock Powell's pronouns are they/them. Maybe Ben's just really general with his pronouns.

[villainsandvictimsalliance]

If you recall, the quirk singularity theory established that quirks will become uncontrollable one day, following the rate at how they were increasing in power and the inability of the body to keep up with such growth. The best example of the veracity of such theory is Tomura Shigaraki and the way his body has morphed in order to accommodate the strength of his quirk, right?

My question is: Have Toga and Dabi breached the quirk singularity point? Could that be the reason why Toga became able to use the quirk of the people she shape-shifts into, the reason why Dabi's alive and his body seems to regenerate a little or at least withstand the rate of destruction he inflicts on himself?

[stillness-in-green]

Bring It All Back (Part 3/4)

~A Tone Poem on Returning to the Status Quo~

Warning: IMAGE-HEAVY. A Webtoons-style vertical scroll comic using rearranged and recontextualized panels from My Hero Academia.

Deku keeps saying he'll bring everything back to normal. Hasn't he been paying attention?

(Part One) (Part Two)

(Part 4)

[greenhappyseed]

To understand why Enji isn’t doing the right thing in Ch.387, look back at what All Might told him in the remedial arc. “What purpose does our strength serve?” Look at what Mic says about giving guidance to the next generation. Look at what the hero students do: Reach the children’s hearts and help them regulate their emotions so they can use their quirks responsibly. So they can all take care of each other even though they don’t know each other.

In 387, Toya is an out of control child. His emotions are running wild and he’s lost all control of his quirk (hellooooo singularity!) But contrary to Enji’s assertion that his mind is gone, Toya’s actually being brutally honest and clear in what could be his final moments: He wants his dad to see him and his brother to play with him. He wants to be loved and cared for. That’s Toya’s heart. But Enji’s response isn’t to offer the kind of strength that reaches his child’s heart. Instead, what purpose does Enji’s strength serve? He’s still trying to “kill” his past. “I won’t let anyone else get caught up in our [family] tragedy.”

[marimeeko]

Bkdk thoughts ahead, scroll on if it's not your thing <3

I saw one art in a tiktok about this, but now I'm fixated on the idea of Katsuki coming back to life as we all predict he will, but Izuku getting killed in the process of defeating AFO...

BUT also cheating death because of OFA and vestige shenanigans, telling him "he did well" and "its not your time", etc. And coming back to life finding himself held in the arms of an absolutely devastated Katsuki.

Would it be a little much to have BOTH of them cheat death in this battle? Maybe... but then again, it IS shonen anime where "get out of death free" cards are dime a dozen when it comes to the MC and/or magical properties of instory power systems.. i think OFA and Quirk nonsense could definitely have that potential here, even if death in MHA is often pretty consequential.

And if you think about it... BKDK has been mirroring each other and uno reversing this whole story. So like, is it too far off for each other to, in essence, die for the other one?

(And YES, bakugous inner monologuing about reaching Izuku, directed towards Izuku EVEN though he wasn't present, I kinda do count that as "dying for the other" because if that didn't read as an expression of devotion to Izuku, I don't know what would.)

And like... if he is killed or dies before he realizes Katsuki is back? What if we finally get Izukus *realization* and admission that Katsuki getting hurt has been the catalyst for EVERYTHING in his life and why that is? What if he admits that he lied about Black Whip and has been suppressing so many emotions about Katsuki since the first War and even prior. What if his inner monologuing looks as poignant about Katsuki as Katsukis did about him? And what if there's a moment of "Kacchan....The truth is, I...."

And Katsuki doesn't know this or hear it, perhaps, but when say OFA wakes him back up because it's purpose was fulfilled (and maybe the wills of all the vestiges combined to give their force to Izuku so he could continue living or some Quirk mumbo jumbo like that,)to Katsuki sobbing over him, thinking he was lost forever and there wasn't even anyone to take revenge out on anymore...they don't even say a word still but somehow their embrace is so tight and says everything anyway.(with expressions of feelings finally taking place in the aftermath and or epilogue of everything. )

Or, alternatively, maybe they DO say what they need to say, and maybe they DO kiss and then embrace. IDK, let's have high hopes, why the hell shouldn't we lmao.

Anyway just a dramatic little thought I have: what if they BOTH DIE.

[s0fter-sin]

general society is such an underthought aspect of mha. obviously there’s the big things like the obsession over heroic quirks and the demonisation of villainous quirks. quirkless people are dismissed entirely but i don’t think we talk about how society in general would have to handle a world with super powers.

we know after afo’s first uprising, the government overcorrected and outlawed public quirk usage. we know people have their quirks registered and go through quirk counselling as well as a type of gym class where they practice under teacher supervision.

how in the hell is that supposed to work?

the closest equivalent i can think of is mental health services. someone would have to study for a long time to be able to pursue quirk counselling as a career. it’s also a highly personalised system: everyone has a different quirk - even similar ones have different activations, triggers, exceptions and drawbacks - so no two sessions could ever be the same. if anyone’s been through mental health services, you know how rough it is; it’s an overworked, underpaid system and if you live somewhere that only offers a few free visits, it can also be expensive.

and that’s an elective service.

almost everyone on the planet would need quirk counselling.

there’s no way they could implement such a labour intensive and individual public system and we literally see that they can’t.

we see the gym class in amajiki’s flashback and he only has a few minutes with his teacher before he’s chided for not being more impressive and utilising his quirk to the fullest and they move on to the next student. say a standard class is twenty students like it is at ua. that leaves just over two minutes for each student to learn and practice their quirks. you can’t focus on just one kid per lesson bc what will the other nineteen do? do teachers also have to have a degree in quirk counselling? is that part of becoming a phys ed teacher or is it some random joe schmo trying to wrap his head around literal super powers?

given that inko goes to garaki - a doctor - to confirm izuku’s quirklessness, it can be assumed that quirk counselling is entwined with the medical system. i don’t know if you’ve ever had to apply for a specialist before but you can be on their waiting list for a while. a quirk counsellor is essentially a specialist. are there subcategories of counsellors? do you focus on either emitter, transformation or mutation the way doctors become cardiologists, paediatricians and neurologists? or is one person expected to be equally knowledgeable about all three?

we see through toga that her counsellor identified her need for blood but they didn’t find a way to curb those instincts or even find a supplement for her. she’s left to be abused by her family for something she can’t control bc it’s literally in her dna. compare that to iida who knows he needs orange juice to power his quirk. his entire family are pro heroes so it would be easy to assume they could employ a private quirk counsellor the same way richer people can employ private doctors.

how many people have specific requirements due to their quirks? changes in their physiology that have to be treated the same way nutritional deficiencies and allergies do? even people without mutations probably have those requirements: does kirishima’s shark teeth mean he’s an obligate carnivore? does mina’s acid change her ph levels and what vitamins and minerals she needs? how would they figure that out? quirk counselling.

what about kids like touya who would need extensive counselling so he could figure out how to live with his quirk without hurting himself? kaminari essentially has seizures and they’re so normal to him and everyone around him that they’re the butt of jokes. they wouldn’t be a one and done patient; there’s always going to be people that need continued support the exact same way there’s people that need developmental and disability support. there would be so many quirks that harm their user, are they just taught to bury their quirks? as if that wouldn’t cause any physical or mental consequences?

governments can’t create a system that applies to only some people, we’re expected to believe they’ve made one that applies to all of them?

[kaleidoscopic-quiddity]

okay so obviously the bnha ending failed to address quite a few different plot threads but by far the most important one imo has to be the quirk singularity doomsday theory, like???? it was established MULTIPLE times that Dr Garaki was essentially right, and that quirks would continue to develop and mutate until they were uncontrollable????? i feel like thats, idk, KINDA IMPORTANT????????

[tytonnidaie]

[rolling around like a morose pig in slop] i need to write a "came back wrong" story soooooo bad

[therabbitthatpostthings]

I hate that one glimpse of the manga can bring my My Hero Worldbuilding hyperfixation back

[explodo-smash]

End of manga sees Izuku create his own 'vestige realm' (theory)

[Originally written on Twitter by @wolvesandvisions]

This theory was something I'd kept close to my chest for some years now that I think may actually have the potential of coming to fruition.

I believe by the end of the manga Izuku is going to have created his own 'vestige world'. Alongside letting go of OFA, the “cursed” power, we'll see the birth of a new society. This will indicate the birth of truly making his power, his heroism, his own.

What we’re witnessing in the manga at the moment is the complete destruction of OFA as we know it. In a metaphorical sense and in the visual sense that Yoichi and the other holder’s prison is literally falling apart thanks to Shigaraki.

Now something I noticed, is that this visual of a park we kept seeing All Might at, I think may be the same one in the manga Chapter 96 (2016), redrawn in the anime, and referenced to again in an art by Umakoshi at Comiket (2019).

It keeps coming up. The chapter 96 version of this page reads as translated: “I wish that we could always sit and bask under the soft light filtering through the trees…☆Inherited spirit and pride!”

Izuku and Katsuki have absolutely inherited the spirit and pride of All Might, they are both the start of this new era. However, Izuku is the one with the burdens and wills of 9 people on his shoulder right now. At the end of the day… OFA is cursed, it can't stay the way it is.

Whether he’s quirkless by the end, or gets some crazy new power, the removal of OFA is also the removal of the curse/burden.

He needs to be able to be a hero on his own terms, without the beck and call of other people’s expectations in his ears. That’s why I think symbolically him truly “making the power his own” will entail him creating something entirely new with it.

@kikibats' language when I shared with her actually surmised it well:

“The part that’s OFA and AFO connected crumbles away, but Izuku’s own realm stays.”

And Chapter 412 just happened to give a ton of supporting information for this potential.

1) The idea that Izuku sees a correlation in ‘being without a personality’ and not having a human heart. His ability to overcome his feelings of worthlessness.

[X]

Choosing to believe in himself and others beyond that assertion IS his power.

2) Another thanks to @kaname_clan and @kikibats who helped me get a greater understanding of this; what we may be witnessing with Star and Stripes - and these odd lines - are Izuku “going beyond singularity”.

Which from my current understanding is the function of generational quirks becoming “too strong” or going beyond what the average human can take on the body.

Izuku appears to be on the verge of death, a big theme in this final arc of the manga has been everyone getting their quirk awakening. So far, every character but him has gotten one. He obviously got one in the most literal sense, but all of OFA’s various quirks aren’t his.

OFA, bless his heart, is like a series of hand-me-downs that in all his brilliance he made work for him. However...in a series about generational trauma, responsibility, and heroism, I think it's really his turn to overcome all of this.

I think the release of OFA will allow him to have a “quirk” awakening. The “awakening” of his personality, individuality, his heroism. And I do think this may visualize itself in his origins manifesting in that same park under the tree.

This is just what I'm thinking! Being hit with that visual of the park metaphorically or literally since 2016 has my eyes wide open...so we'll see!

[trashformha]

So let me get this straight, MHA dropped it's final chapter and:

-Horikoshi straight up forgot certain plot points like the 'quirk singularity theory'

-some characters do not show up.The surviving villains? Nowhere to be seen. Compress gets like a tiny panel. Deku's mom? also nowhere to be seen. We've never meet his fucking dad.You'd think the guy would come back to Japan after hearing what happened but no. So some characters just don't get closure,sucks for them.

-Society didn't change shit. The hero rankings are still there and in that tiny panel with Endeavor Rei is still with him for some reason.

-Whatever supposed changes do happen get mentioned only briefly. Shoji gets an award for fighting racism and Ochako does quirk counseling.Both of these things occur within 1/3 of a page

-The icing on the cake is deku himself. Lost his quirk and spent these past years as a teacher without talking to his friends at all. He straight up has no contact with them and is alone only for all might to suddenly show up 8 years later and go "hey we got you some gadgets so now u can be a hero actually " and then it's just a double spread with Class 1A grown up.

Mind you this is just the problems the last chapter brings up,if you look at the past 20 or so chapter it just gets worse.I honestly don't think I could have come up with a shittier ending if I tried lmao

[flower-of-knighthood]

Why Toga didn't work for Me

Toga's plotline and how it ended felt hollow to me at best. To begin with, while tragic backstories can help make a character more sympathetic, characters with tragic backstories tend to lose their effectiveness in provoking sympathy from me when the course of action from said backstory is completely disproportionate such as Toga deciding to help Shigaraki kill pretty much everyone.

Secondly, the foundation of her plotline being the mental effects of her quirk which was only revealed after 100 chapters in, and the idea of Quirks affecting how people think while interesting should've been revealed a lot earlier and with more grace because shouldn't characters such as Mina have an urge to destroy things? Shouldn't Shinso have an urge to brainwash people, which undermines his mini arc? The point is the idea of Quirks having an effect on how individuals think is something that should've been brought up ages ago because it's not something that would be obscure like the Quirk Singularity theory, it's something that would be relevant in various fields and would be one of the fundamentals of how Quirks work.

It doesn’t help that it feels to me that Uraraka's response to Toga back in the first war arc of if you're going to hurt innocent people, I will stop you is treated as wrong by the narrative with Uraraka actually apologising to Toga for her treatment of her during their travesty of a rematch in the final arc.

And yes, I consider Uraraka's rematch with Toga a travesty because Uraraka spent literally most of the fight caring more about Toga's feelings then the victim's and wasting energy constantly trying to talk her down even after Uraraka got stabbed. Sure, it ultimately worked out with Toga deciding to die saving Uraraka from blood loss she inflicted, but that only happened because Uraraka decided let's not subdue the threat to literally everyone there before going talk no jutsu on her, and ended up getting stabbed for it.

You can have the most tragic backstory known to man, but it doesn't justify harm to innocent people. There has to come a point where the tragic backstory will no longer function as an get out of jail free card from responsibility.

You know what's the funny thing, people criticise Naruto for talk no jutsu on his enemies, but the thing is that each time Naruto actually waited until his enemy could no longer pose a threat to anyone before trying Talk No Jutsu.

[acrylic-anxiety]

things I thought were canon in mha but are probably just things the fandom made up that are so deeply ingrained in fanmedia, coming from someone who only joined the fandom a few months ago (correct me if im wrong)

(also not caught up on s7)

- literally any ships (rip, i know, but guys, no student relationships are canon as of rn)

- eijirou and mina went to middle school together

- denki probably has (absence) seizures due to overusing his quirk/bc storms

- red shoe theory (the quirkless have an extra toe joint and bc of that they need different shoes. unfortunately there's only one type, so doesn't matter if you're 5 or 80, you're stuck wearing bright red sneakers ://)

- erasermic. just the entirety of them being together. also includes erasermic fam. still rioting from when i found out erasermic is not canon >:((

- denki has adhd + dyslexia + dyscalculia (and probably a seizure disorder)

- hitoshi is in the foster system (and was probablg ab*sed bc of his quirk. includes mentions of muzzles and quirk suppressants)

- present mic was born with his quirk, deafening everyone in the room when he was born (includes mentions of muzzles)

- the bakugous (mitsuki and masaru) are either the best parents in the world (super attentive and caring) or suck and are probably ab*sive (quirk suppressants on katsuki any time he comes home, neglectful masaru, aggressive mitsuki)

- izuku is autistic (while not canon, i wouldnt be surprised, this is coming from someone with auDHD)

- denki's parents are both pro heroes (theres two pro's with electricity quirks. maybe?? maybe not?? we'll never know)

- endeavor is homophobic (i mean... im not saying he's not-)

- present mic was adopted by two moms

- eijirou has two moms (this one tho, so cute oml im screaming)

- the bakugous run a fashion empire (katsuki modeled for them before UA

- rooftop trio's full friend group included nemuri (a year ahead of them) and tensei (iida's brother)

- iida is autistic (ngl, if this aint the case im rioting)

- tsu never had a childhood, too busy parenting her siblings while her parents were at work or traveling

- back to the bakugous, they were too busy traveling to do photoshoots (mitsuki was the model and masaru designed clothes) to watch over katsuki, so he taught himself how to do everything (chores, keeping tbe house, cooking, etc)

- eijirou has depression/was su*c*dal in middleschool, the only thing keeping him from toppling was mina

- some mutation quirks are there at birth, others come in later. ex: toru (hagakure) was not born invisible, she turned invisible when out shopping with her mom (just imagine thinking "oh shit i just lost my kid at the store" and feeling something grab your leg with the voice of your kid but nothjngs there. wild, absolutely wild) just imagine this shit with the rest of our resideng mutation kids (whom i adore) koji, fumikage, mina, mezo, mashirao (would you consider hanta, kyoka, rikido, and mineta mutation quirk kids? bc i do)

- some kids come from all over the world (i like the idea of it, just how do they all know japanese then??) one i can remember rn were like denki is a 2nd gen japanese american, yuga we know is from france, hanta is latino (i adore this)

- mineta is great!! or mineta is a r*p*st (now, hes gotten better, i'll give you that, but hes still not great and i choose to hate him so im moving on-)

- the sports festival ceremony triggered a flashback for katsuki, making him feel like he was back with the sludge villian again

- izuku and katsuki co-wrote all might fanfiction and individually at one point had all might stan pages.

- fumikage, hitoshi, and kyoka rotate between the bakusquad and dekusquad

- the emosquad consists of fumikage, hitoshi, kyoka, mezo, katsuki, and shouto

- ochako has dad sneezes (loud asf and probably back to back) and katsuki has kitten sneezes (cute and singular) (no i will not explain further)

- while katsuki is loud and "angry" all of the time, you only really got to worry when he becomes deadly silent

- if you want tea on anyone, go to either mezo or kyoka. they know all

- shouto had many firsts after the dorms were implemented: first time trying ice cream, watching a movie, listening to music, trying certain foods, etc. bc endeavor either hated it, or didnt allow him access to it bc he thought it was a waste of time

- momo probably has an eating disorder, regardless of her quirk, due to her parents pressure as a high society family

- quirk related symptoms/damage. ex: katsuki's explosions causing low blood pressure and hearing loss. present mics causing hearing loss and chronic sore throats (maybe even repeat tonsilitis??). hitoshi getting migraines, insomnia, and nose bleeds from excessive quirk use.

- aizawa transfered to the hero course after winning the sports festival his first year at UA (i think it makes sense, what with him training hitoshi later)

(this is what i could think of rn, theres probably more, add on if you think of any)

[greenhappyseed]

AFO not only takes out Mt Lady, he takes out MACHIA. He aims a kill shot at his own loyal servant now that the servant dares speak back to the master. Immediately after, AFO wonders if his “other self” (aka TomurAFO) is influencing him because his insides/his core has started to produce a “dark thing” that AFO cannot fully control, especially as he rewinds. Then he says that, by surrendering to it (the “dark thing”), he can get “even more” from a quirk.

Meaning at some point soon, AFO could be overtaken by the “darkness” and his quirk(s) will go beyond their full power. A rewound AFO IS the quirk singularity. All impulse, all quirk power; no heart or soul. His body will move entirely on its own with no heart driving the movement. It’s no coincidence that this happens in the same chapter as Hawks loses his quirk (but keeps hope alive) AND as Death Arms gets his heroic “moved without thinking” redemption to save a kid who’s consistently shown doubt in heroes.