"Debunking Misinformation: The Truth About Age Changing in Shifting and Why Your 'Mature Soul' Argument Falls Flat"
Disclaimers : read the post fully you dont understand something ? ask me and i will happily clarify it for you. And debates and arguments are welcome, Fallacies arent.
And also i apologie for the tone that may be rough and/or intense i am trying to change that and perfect it , my apologies.
Alright, it’s time to really break this down and rip apart every flawed, uninformed argument you’ve laid out. You’re out here acting like you’ve got it all figured out, but spoiler alert: you don’t. So buckle in, because we’re going deep into the weeds, and I’m bringing receipts to debunk every one of your points with twice the heat and twice the sources.
"You bring up the fact you fully embody the reality that you go to, but your soul and experiences from here whilst ur there. It’s a mix of both."
Let’s get one thing straight: this idea that shifting is a "mix of both" is flat-out wrong. When you shift, you fully immerse yourself into your Desired Reality (DR) and become that version of yourself completely. There’s no half-and-half bullshit where part of your Original Reality (OR) self is sticking around while you live in your DR. If that were the case, no one would even bother shifting—what would be the point if you’re still dragging your OR baggage with you?
As I’ve said before and as extensively covered in sources like this Tumblr post, when you shift, you adopt the mindset, emotions, and even the memories of your DR self. Your awareness is fully aligned with the reality you’ve shifted into, meaning you think, feel, and live as that person. You don’t just “borrow” the body of your DR self while keeping your OR experiences in the background. It’s not a costume; it’s a complete immersion.
To say that part of your “soul” from OR sticks around? That’s just an uninformed take. Souls in this context are not limited or bound to the rules you’re trying to impose. Consciousness is vast, all-encompassing, and when you’re in your DR, you’re fully there. The idea that there’s some kind of fractured awareness where part of your “mature soul” is lurking in the background? That’s nonsense. As I’ve previously said, your soul adapts to the context of the reality you’re in. You’re not half in, half out. You’re all in.
"Being romantically involved with a minor knowing at least a part of your soul has matured is incredibly disgusting no matter how you phrase it."
Let me stop you right here because you’re trying to apply OR morality and assumptions to something that doesn’t even apply in a DR. You’re not walking around with your adult OR mind when you shift to a younger version of yourself. When you shift down, you fully take on the age you’ve shifted to, and that includes your mental, emotional, and cognitive states. As I’ve discussed before, and backed up by posts like this one, you aren’t keeping any “mature” part of yourself intact while you’re in the DR. You are mentally and emotionally aligned with the age you’ve shifted to, whether that’s 16 or 60. So this whole "part of your soul is still mature" argument? It’s based on a complete misunderstanding of what shifting really entails.
And let’s talk about your use of the word "disgusting." You’re trying to frame consensual experiences in a DR as inherently gross, but that’s just because you’re stuck thinking in OR terms. When someone shifts into a younger version of themselves, they aren’t an adult with a teenager’s body—they’re a teenager again, period. They think like a teenager, feel like a teenager, and experience relationships as a teenager. There’s nothing inherently disgusting about exploring love, relationships, or even sex in a different stage of life—especially when you’re doing it as a fully immersive part of that DR.
If you really want to cling to the argument that having any part of your soul "matured" makes romantic relationships problematic, then by that logic, you’d also have to condemn teenage shifters aging themselves up into adult relationships, because guess what? That’s the exact same thing, just reversed. But no one’s out here screaming about that because it doesn’t fit the "adults are creepy" narrative, right?
"It’s vile to see how many shifters do this and will never get any repercussions to their actions. I’ll die on that hill."
Alright, let’s talk about this hill you’re so eager to die on. The idea that shifters should face “repercussions” for engaging in consensual relationships in their DRs is just ridiculous. Shifting isn’t the same as living in OR, and you can’t impose OR consequences on DR actions. In your DR, you are the age you’ve shifted to, and the dynamics of your relationships match the context of that reality.
Here’s the thing: Intent matters. If someone is shifting to a younger version of themselves to relive missed opportunities, heal from trauma, or just experience youthful love again, there’s nothing inherently vile or wrong about that. As I’ve written extensively before, shifting is a deeply personal and immersive experience, and most shifters are doing it for reasons that have nothing to do with anything harmful. The idea that people should face "repercussions" for their DR relationships just shows you don’t understand how shifting works in the first place.
And let’s get real: If someone truly had vile intentions, they wouldn’t even bother shifting down. A real predator wouldn’t waste time becoming a teenager in their DR. They’d shift into a reality where their disgusting behavior is normalized or even celebrated. They’d create a world where their actions have no consequences. So the fact that you think “repercussions” are necessary shows that you’re missing the bigger picture. As I’ve discussed in depth here, the true issue lies in intent. If someone’s intent is to heal, grow, or explore, then no harm is being done. Full stop.
If your hill is built on assuming that every adult who shifts down is doing something harmful, then you’re standing on a pile of fallacies and fear-mongering. You can die on that hill if you want, but it’s made of weak arguments and ignorance. The majority of shifters aren’t engaging in anything harmful—they’re using shifting as a tool for self-discovery and healing. Don’t throw the entire community under the bus because you’ve failed to understand the complexities of the practice.
Bonus: Let’s Address the “Soul/Consciousness” Argument One More Time
Since you seem stuck on this whole “soul and consciousness” bit, let me break it down again. Souls and consciousness are vast, all-encompassing. When you shift, your soul is fully adapted to that reality. You’re not carrying over some mature OR fragment of yourself that suddenly taints your DR experiences. As explained in this Tumblr post, souls are adaptable and expansive. The idea that part of your soul stays mature while you’re in a younger body is a complete misunderstanding of the nature of consciousness. You’re just not aware of the vastness of your soul because, in that moment, you’re immersed in your DR self. Trying to claim that you have this lingering OR maturity floating around is just plain wrong.
Conclusion
So here’s the bottom line: Your entire argument is built on misunderstandings, double standards, and a fundamental lack of knowledge about how shifting works. You’re out here trying to apply OR morals and logic to something that exists outside of those rules. Shifters fully become the age they shift into—mentally, emotionally, and cognitively. There’s no half-in, half-out soul situation happening. And when shifters engage in relationships in their DR, it’s not “disgusting” or “vile” because they’re living in a completely different reality where their mindset aligns with that age.
You want to die on a hill of fallacies and false assumptions? Fine, but don’t expect everyone else to follow you there. The truth is, the majority of shifters are using this practice for self-exploration, healing, and growth. Intent is everything, and unless someone’s specifically scripting harmful dynamics, there’s nothing wrong with shifting to explore different stages of life.
So maybe it’s time to rethink your stance before you go throwing around accusations and blanket statements about how “vile” shifters are. As I’ve said before, most shifters aren’t doing anything harmful, and they’re not dragging their OR experiences into the DR to manipulate age dynamics. They’re fully embodying the age they’ve shifted into, living that life with the mindset, emotional capacity, and maturity of that version of themselves. Your assumptions about maturity and the soul are based on a limited understanding of what shifting actually entails, and frankly, it’s not helping anyone.
You’re out here dying on a hill made of shaky, fallacious arguments, while the rest of us are living in realities where intent, self-discovery, and healing are the focus. If you want to keep painting shifters as predatory based on a misunderstanding, that’s on you—but maybe take a second to realize that your perspective is rooted in fear, ignorance, and a flawed interpretation of how consciousness and shifting really work.
If you can’t wrap your head around the fact that shifting is a deeply personal, nuanced, and immersive experience where your OR doesn’t come into play the way you think it does, then maybe it’s time to step back and reconsider how much you really know about this community before making sweeping judgments.
P.S. Let me hit you with one more thing:
When it comes to your Original Reality (OR), you’re not walking around in your Desired Reality (DR) with your OR brain tagging along for the ride. Instead, you have extensive knowledge of your OR through the lens of your DR self. Your OR becomes more like a distant memory or background information that your DR self is aware of but isn’t actively living or processing with the same emotional or cognitive weight. So yeah, you’re aware of your OR, but it’s not some dominant force influencing your every thought or action. You’re living fully as your DR self, with only as much knowledge of your OR as your DR self needs to function in that reality.
You’re not straddling two worlds, dragging OR maturity into a DR body—you’re embodying your DR self, period. The knowledge you have of your OR is filtered through your DR self’s perspective, which means it’s not the same as living with your OR mindset in your DR. So again, the whole “part of your soul is still mature” argument? Nonsense. You’re aware of your OR, but you’re not mentally living in it while you’re in your DR.
Hope that clears up whatever lingering confusion you’ve got about how this actually works.
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villain! kiri, riding, hairpulling and choking, semi mean kiri, semi plot, characters mentioned.
“oh! oh! uh—haaa!” you hiccup each thrust, feeling his hardened villain cock slip up into your womb, he going the deepest when you sit fully onto him and he gets to fuck up into you.
“yeahaha! fuck!” he growls in a laugh, hair sprawled over his pillow—your pillow, a hand snaked behind and up your back to pull your hair and a hand wrapped around your throat. “fuck, fuuck! this shit feel good, slut?” he forces you to look at him, always look at him. “like when i sneak in again and again just to fuck your morals and beliefs away?”
you try to nod, to even vocalize but his hips are getting so much rougher, faster, harder. it comes out in a stained ‘yes’ and you feel yourself starting to break.
god, how long has this been going on for?
“yeah you do, need a fuckin’ villain to fuck your sopping little cunt!” his teeth bite down onto his lip, a bad sign that he might be losing himself within you. “couldnt be satisfied with a goddamn hero— yeah? that damn tetsu tetsu guy couldnt fuck you like this ever?”
you shook your head no. you didnt process what had been said.
shit, tetsu— he was right, tetsu didnt fuck you like this.
he pulls you down to face to face with him, his breath fanning heavy against your face and he grins wide, blood dripping down his chin from the bite he gave himself. “yeah, ‘yer never leavin’ baby slut. not like you could anyway!”
your tears drip onto his cheek, his tongue coming out to lick it off and his thick, hardened arms wrap themselves around your waist. “fuck, fuck yeah! oh, fuck yes—“ he cuts himself off, eyes temporarily rolling back but then focusing on you again. “fuckin take me, take all of me.”
and its not like you were opposed to it, not with the way your eyes cross and your toes curl so hard you feel a charley horse coming when his stills inside of you.
how the hell did you even get here? how the fuck did you end up trapped in a fling? no, fuck all that, how did you get into a fling with a villain? you don’t remember. all you remember is just coming home from work and then going to a date you had picked—
oh, thats right. you remember now, seeing that you got a random text thinking it was tetsu, responding back and then meeting him in his house.
“doors unlocked, just come up and get undressed for me, baby girl.”
what a dumb thing you did. that was out of character for him.
“hey.” he snaps in your face, looking at you like you had six heads. “where did you just go?” kirishima asks.
“i… dont know.” you respond, carefully and slowly.
“hm, alright then.” he pats your head, clicking his tongue. “got someone for you ta’ meet.” he says cheerfully, going to the door and unlocking it.
they were both essentially the same.
“yer familiar with chargebolt, right?”
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Hi uh, I hope it's okay to ask, but which creator are you referring to? Because the whole cp thing is kind of a huge accusation and I'm definitely not comfortable with supporting someone who's into that kind of stuff
tianshii88/rentbunny/zhuhaitang/yin-shimo
to be clear it's not csam (real children) it's fictional (drawn & in sims), but they're extremely creepy as a person & remind me of abusers in my past that exposed me to that same fictional material as a child. it's common for those that do have bad intentions to use it to blur the lines/make minors feel like it's normal/okay so that they're easier to groom & abuse. this isn't something that everyone that consumes this content does, obviously, but the amount of times they specifically have had questionable boundaries raises red flags for me. (Having a minor character in a fetish pose in a preview on a blog they specifically allowed minors to follow for cc, defending that by saying the original mangaka posed the character that way first so it was his fault not theirs, having a discord server with a dead dove channel that minors could access & saying it was ok bc they had to use a react role to get in, calling survivors that were uncomfortable with this crybabies, puritans & dumbasses, etc)
I never could finish the full post i was making about them bc it was frankly pretty triggering to me & I was dealing with my father's passing at the time, but I still have the screenshots despite them changing their name multiple times, wiping their blog of everything & changing their pinned to be 18+ only. There's also other people that have called them out for certain things (like the pose incident) before in the past. I'm not saying they're a predator or child abuser, since I know they'll jump to that immediately- but I am saying they're creepy and their history of a lack of solid boundaries between minors & the adult content they consume is irresponsible and unacceptable. I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable having them in the same spaces as minors in this community. I personally blocked them a long time ago when they were rentbunny bc I saw they (as a non-black person) liked posts that were calling me a c*on and telling me to kms, but the full extent of all the rest that was brought to my attention was staggering tbh.
When I figured out they were in my server at the time (members came to me with the proof & said they were uncomfortable/triggered), I banned them silently. They responded by publicly harassing me for weeks and claiming that I had bullied them. They openly admitted they had only been in my server with the aim of baiting people into talking about them, and then posted screenshots of... people saying their cc was too high poly, had too many swatches for their liking, and someone editing the buns off one of their hairs for personal use. And they listed off usernames of people that had never mentioned them/were not active, purely with the goal to get others to attack them. They also mocked me for being in mourning for my father that had just passed, and after I had blocked them continued to make passive aggressive references to my grief. And this isn't even counting all the cc issues, taking money for commissions & ghosting the commissioners for months, and miscellaneous bigotry & bad behavior they've been involved in. This is all now deleted & they changed their username to yin-shimo directly after acting a complete fool towards me. But none of my posts are deleted, and I didn't forget. A lot of other people haven't either. So overall, I think they have bigger issues in their own house to focus on before worrying about someone else's cc dress.
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hi have you considered any other fcs for the girls ? the lineup is exquisite don't get me wrong i'm just curious
oooooo of course i have! and maybe u just wanted a normal response from me, but i am going to make this reply a bit more visual and fun (for me) because i am going to explain what i was looking out for in my girls and why i decided not to choose ___ and ___ and yada yada because i'm feeling crazy! also because i’m taking inspiration from @/pureun because they did something like this before and i thought it was really fun <3 but trust me, it will be really hard to get sana, jisoo, and yuqi out of my hands. they are set on stone at this point!
first off, we are starting with my darling kaia. for her i wanted someone to bring the fun to the group and, for lack of better words, friendly-looking. approachable, lighthearted, someone who exudes comfort to even those she’s not close to, someone very fun to look at when on stage, and someone who is known to be a wonder to be around with. a mom friend, basically. but i also wanted someone no one would ever suspect of doing anything wrong, which is why it was such a shock to fans when rumors circulated that kaia mistreated a stylist and that she is known by her inner circle to have anger issues 🙈
i immediately thought of sana minatozaki when i came up with her because hellooooooooooooo! and she was perfect because i actually wanted a japanese fc as i wanted kaia to be a member of akb48. i also really liked the idea of kaia pulling a xg’s cocona and going viral for flawlessly rapping in three languages 😮💨 and idk just the thought of the face of baby girlism sana having anger issues and rapping in the levels of soyeon will always be funnie to me
i consider and think about nana komatsu as kaia every now and then, though. there was a time that i actually wanted her to be the oldest out of the three and in a way i could see nana fitting her background, especially as an idol who likes to stay low-key with her own endeavors, but i just don’t see her as kaia. maybe as idol!kaia, but not kaia, yknow? i also think that the vibes of nana!kaia would have been a little bit too similar to yvan’s, and the thing about hiraeth is that the three of them are different from each other
mina myoi also crossed my mind because madre! but it’s the opposite of nana’s situation. i see her as kaia, sure, but not as idol!kaia D:
for poppy, i wanted someone who gave off princess-y, royalty like vibes with a dash of cunt, especially as she’s the group's representation of elegance and maturity. miss little pretty face, a reserved woman with a big mouth and an open mind, devoted to her craft as an idol and as a producer, someone people and other idols look up to, usually kept under a microscope by knetizens because there’s no way anyone could be that nice (and she’s not even that nice, she just minds her business!), if her face is involved, the brand’s stocks are sure to rise, and she’s not that intimidating, but there’s something about her that makes people hesitate to approach—not just because of her beauty or her monotone-like attitude, but because she’s poppy. i also wanted someone who seemed really put together on the outside, but in reality they are not as poppy is chronically ill and kinda insane ngl 😔
i think out of the three, poppy’s main fc is the one i don’t think i’d ever change. i’m really attached to jisoo as miss pawppy— like, there’s so much history in here friendsies!! poppy is jisoo, just with some alterations that i’d love to talk about eventually, but i’d be lying if i said i haven’t thought of other people as poppy. not because i don’t see her in jisoo anymore, but because i’m so attached to poppy as a character that i see her everywhere, either as a concept or as someone else.
eunbi never never neeeever fails to remind me of her… she’s genuinely the perfect alternate fc, especially since she’s the same age as jisoo so if i did the change, i wouldn’t need to adjust anything! but i have a really strong bias, and i know that if i ever changed her fc to eunbi, i’d end up switching back 😭
and here’s where i admit that each girl is inspired by current or former idols, and poppy is lowkey inspired by hirai momo who has always reminded me of her— in terms of her personality, stage presence and her looks. like that one picture she posted during the miumiu fashion show… where she was sitting and looking back at the camera with her bare back, like yall, that's poppy! 😵😵😵 but again, i have a bias. plus i also want kaia to be the only japanese woman in the group
now heejin would have been the perfect candidate to be poppy’s fc if only poppy wasn't a hag, so yeah. that’s never gonna happen unless i make an alt universe where they are younger… :p
for yvan, i wanted someone with the it factor— someone who graduated from servington university with a degree in serving!!! 😝 i wanted someone approachable and relatable, THEY/THEM realness fr, a best friend or at least a friend to many, admired for their genuine love for their job and their talents, fun and quirky with a dash of chaoticness that usually keeps everyone on their toes, so big-mouthed it often lands them in trouble but usually works out in their favor, and despite doing absolutely nothing (they absolutely did or said something btw), their name is always on everyone’s mouths. i also wanted someone who could “snatch” the golden maknae title from j*ngkook, which is the reason why armys fucking hates them and keep making up stuff about someone who’s not only globally liked but also j*ngkook’s number one wingman! 🙄
yvan actually went through a lot of fc changes until i started to pay attention to g-idle during the queencard era. when i say everything clicked when i watched this yuqi fancam… yeah. since then i’ve never considered changing their fc. yuqi is literally everything i envisioned for yvan <3
xiaoting was one of their initial fcs and the one who stuck around the longest (i even have old edits with her face and everything), but i couldn’t quite see yvan in her as much as i wanted to ):
now ningning… siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighs. it’s similar to poppy’s situation with heejin— though she’s the perfect candidate to be yvan’s face claim, she was too young to be in a group with ’95 liners, and i wasn’t going to age-bend anyone for that. maybe in another universe…
i initially created the idea of yvan with yves in mind (catch the “y” at the beginning of their stage names? not really a coincidence lmao), but due to some plot changes to fit the narrative of my friend’s and my ideas, i decided to switch their ethnicity.
but wait. alternate faceclaims but instead they are younger and have just debuted recently… wait!
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