#and nina + kt are like

[incorrectsibunaquotes]

KT and Nina randomly being college roommates is canon, I don’t care that the odds are super slim. I think it’s fate.

[vicontheinternet]

I have absolutely no one to talk about this with😭😭 there is not enough words in the English language for me to express how excited i am for this

[wolfblood-of-anubis]

Joy Mercer, daughter of Nemesis, goddess of retribution, vengeance, and balance.

Eddie Miller, son of Apollo, god of oracles, light, music, archery, and protection of the young.

KT Rush, daughter of Hecate, goddess of magic, transitions, and crossroads.

[joysmercer]

something something joy leaving vs nina leaving and everyone's reactions

[lau07paprika]

One thing that i don't agree so much with people saying about the romantic relationship of ninaxeddie's is that idk if it’s just me but i feel it would be very forced just to put them together just by the fact that they have an Egyptian spiritual identity within them, bcs they would just start a relationship because of it, it’s most kinda mandatory or like an obligation for them. When Eddie already in the tunnels confesses his feelings towards Patricia that she is special to him before waking up the Osirian, and also nina felt that fabian was the one for her before knowing about the osirian thing.

In my opinion, it would be so bad that they can't develop their own feelings just because of it, also i feel like bcs in the show it says the chosen one comes from a bloodline what if the osirian is in the same bloodline linage as nina that would make them related in some way and would make sense bcs we don’t know much about nina’s family and eddie's. I also think that since sara and rufus were always together neither of them were happy or together (i know that rufus didn't portrait the osirian as it should be but its sad that your only purpose is protect someone)and I know it might have been different in ninaxeddie's case but what if it’s their fate too.Is not to be happy as they are always in danger because it's more like a obligation to be together more than romantic because eddie has to protect her from evil and that could result to be more of a curse for them to be chosen ones rather than something good, cause you i don't think that been in constant danger is something good or romantic, also if someone tells me that they could develope feelings towards each other i don’t buy it bcs the last episode of s2 when eddie osirian was awaken i feel like he was just a puppet and the voices where the puppeteer of him. And i know that fabina and peddie has issues but i think that every ship has and i don't think that neddie would be the exception of it bcs if people said that they complement each other in terms of personality it’s also missing other things like fact they’re so different from things like taste of music, sense of humor, hobbies and basically in a bunch of things that in the show could see a few and ik this cannot be such a huge deal but idk if that would work if they don't have anything in common and the only thing that they just have in common is the egyptian stuff that they don’t have a choice and just to deal with it.

[fakeosirian]

For the Wips asks how about some ✨??

omg i went to bed right before u asked this 😭 thank u!!

here's a snippet of a light/cute one-shot i started a bit ago! the scenario is trudy's on vacation and they're discussing how they're planning on fending for themselves in the food department lol

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"Just microwave it?" Everyone turned to stare at KT in horror. "What? It's just as good, and you really gotta try to burn bacon in the microwave."

"That's sick." Jerome gagged a bit, just in case his disgust wasn't clear. "You're sick."

"If you're all that picky and that incompetent, she has a point." Eddie said with a shrug.

"You can do the same thing with eggs if you can't cook those right either," KT added.

"Don't do that." Fabian was planning on staying out of this one, but they were in a Safety Concern area now. "They can explode."

"What is it with you Americans and microwaves?" Jerome spat. "I'm going to need to International Criminal Court on speed dial after this weekend."

"Don't drag me into this." Nina threw up her hands. "I only use it to boil water." Fabian turned his attention to her so urgently that his neck audibly cracked.

"Don't do that."

"Let me guess: it explodes?" Eddie asked in the form and style of a man, moments away from being stabbed, asking what the knife is for.

"It's called a Vesuvius reaction, and it's what happens when the microwave superheats the water above 100 degrees without boiling. Disturbing the water causes it to immediately boil, including under the surface of the water, so yes, it explodes. And burns you. Just use the kettle."

Nina blinked a few times in rapid succession, horrified; Eddie scoffed.

"100 degrees isn't that hot. That's like bath water."

"What the hell kind of baths are you taking?" Jerome laughed.

"Oh right, Celsius. What's that in Fahrenheit, again?"

"I said boiling, so. Boiling."

"So now that we've established none of you can use a microwave responsibly, we're left with what, exactly?" Joy asked. "Guilting Victor into getting us takeaway?"

[damnjackiemore]

knowing how house of anubis season 3 goes, the ending of season 2 is so disappointing...

first of all, introducing the osirian in the LAST few eps and then toying the idea that it's Fabian (bc obvi)

Eddie starts getting mixed into the sibuna stuff by following Patricia. He's hearing stuff

'omg Eddie’s the osirian'

He immediately knows what to do and saves nina

AND THEN NINA AND EDDIE NEVER HAVE A CONVERSATION AFTER THAT

not even one shared look or nod of understanding?!?!

like y'all just found out you're connected by destiny and you don't want to follow up with each other asdjhk

then there's the conversation between Eddie and Mr. Sweet where he knew about the osirian but 'they'll talk later' pls

I get that it was most likely left to be further explored next season but that doesn’t actually end up happening

Nina's not in the show anymore and they come up with some bs excuse that 'the chosen one and osirian can't be together for the sake of the world'

No resolution at all

[scripturiends]

who in house of anubis would survive the hunger games go

[incorrectsibunaquotes]

My biggest gripe with season 3 is just the way they wrote nina out, because Brad said on the anubis backwards podcast that they knew during the filming of season 2 that Nathalia would be leaving for school whether or not there was a season 3. Like I feel like they could have set up Nina's departure a lot better, becuase the osirian and chosen one not being able to be together makes no sense, and Nina not being able to contact any of her friends doesn't make sense either, like email still exists. Nina and Kt meeting each other through email would have fueled me. They could have been pen pals! This is what the writers took from us!

Agreed. Like there’s ways I justify the “can’t be near each other” thing that I feel makes sense, but they genuinely could have been like “the whole Senkhara thing took a toll on Gran’s body, I gotta stay home” and it would have been fine. That said, I don’t think one scene in S3 justifies the blind hatred that it receives as a whole. People need to seriously grow up (I say in a fandom about a family/kids show lol).

But like, in that case, I should hate every season of HOA because there’s a scene that I think should have been rewritten in all of them that would have made it a tighter/cleaner story.

[parkiiinson]

house of anubis as cocktails; sincerely, a bartender

nina: margarita (will order a margarita tower) (either original, mango, or strawberry)

fabian: old fashioned, knowledgeable about whiskey but prefers rye. will talk with the bartender for hours about the history of blah blah.... blah... bla....

amber: a cosmopolitan with a specific vodka. she likes feeling fancy whilst being a tad particular. plus it's pink!

alfie: orders a cosmo to be cool, but really just wants a vodka cran. really just there for the party.

mick: "do you have a normal beer list?" he says in a craft brewery.

jerome: orders the most expensive scotch to impress someone; he does not enjoy it, but pretends to.

eddie: orders the most expensive gin and tonic to impress patricia; he's never had alcohol in his life.

patricia: rum and coke, she makes fun of eddie's $34 gin and tonic. pretends to hate clubbing.

joy: manhattan or black manhattan, served up with three cherries. and specifically that way. or there will be consequences.

kt: lemon drop martini, salt rim. only cocktail she will have that isn't a margarita tower with nina. only goes out with the promise is dancing.

mara: sensible glass or red or white. always dry. a sauvignon blanc/vinho verde for whites, or pinot noir/sonoma valley cab sav. she does her budget plan at a quiet bar on thursdays.

[wolfblood-of-anubis]

be honest, every time Sibuna did their Sibuna-hand-over-the-eye gesture you did it to and felt like you were part of the gang

[osirian-rises]

Is it just me or does KT's scream in season three as she's falling through the floor sound exactly like Nina when Rufus grabs her arm in season one?

...Did they reuse the soundbite?

[joysmercer]

What would happen if Nina never came to Amun Boarding Academy?

i think patricia would have lost it with worry as she did in canon, but with no nina-took-her-place!! accusations, people (fabian and mara, mainly) would have been less dismissive, even if they didn't quite share her worry. the facetime with joy would have happened a lot quicker as a result since everyone would want answers. but i simply don't think sarah would have dumped the locket on them (one, because she has no kinship with them, and two, since it wouldn't work for them anyway), so they would not have any way to truly discover the ~mystery~, let alone solve it.

patricia's pre-sibuna plotlines (up until kidnapping rufus) would be mostly the same, though, maybe dragging fabian along with her (since he's not busy with nina)…but more likely that he refuses to participate but knows what she's up to, so he ends up being the one to bail her out lol. joy would have still sent her the messages/been there in the audience, and i'd like to think they still find her on prom night and know something is up, but it's not going to be as clean as an ending because they have no way of knowing what that something is.

so then joy would have come back super duper traumatized with no answers, and maybe she'll fill in patricia and fabian about what she knows, but certainly not amber – not that that thought would even occur to her, anyway, considering amber would not have founded sibuna if it weren't for nina. and then nothing would happen in s2 because there's no fabina date-turned-senkhara release (actually, there's no cup for senkhara to be stuck in in the first place). maybe they see the adults milling around and follow them, but it's more likely that the adults are unsuccessful since they can't spy on the kids and get the answers.

jerome's entire thing would still happen though, so he'd still get the gem and have to deal with rufus…not sure how that would shape up but I think this is when eddie's Osirian powers would awaken somehow (even with the actual chosen one miles away and unaware), and patricia (dragging joy and fabian with her) would follow him and that's how they all get involved?

but then s3 rolls around and no one knows anything because sweet's kept his mouth shut, and maybe alfie steals that bracelet but i doubt that, without 2 years of sibuna shit under their belts, the kids would even think of it being a mystery, let alone decide to follow the trail or whatever. not to mention the fact that amber wound not even be involved in sibuna anyway. actually, i feel like amber would have just bugged the school to give her a year-round place and stayed in the states after fashion camp without ever coming back lolol but for the sake of this, she does come back first

so amber has the bracelet and probably just gives it right back to victor. maybe jerome gets involved via alfie and is like idk if you should have done that but they don't listen because what is he even talking about.

so kt shows up with this key and it's her and eddie against the world, except eddie immediately confides in fabian about his visions, and since fabian doesn't have a (weak) excuse to be a dummy about it in this au, the three of them immediately start working together. and jabian stays besties throughout s2 and up to this point because at least that aspect of her psyche is a little less traumatized here, so joy's in, and brings patricia with her. but, like, no locket! and probably no bracelet! so they have no leads or ideas…and this is when jerome crashes the party like "yo victor's package was a mysterious bracelet and i think it's important?" and somehow they figure out denby's a fraud and the adults are Up To Something. and joy's like "i know their weaknesses let's get em" and they try to thwart the eclipse ceremony, but fail to do so, in basically the same way in canon (except that both jerome and joy also know what's going on). so now alfie's involved too because "wtf was that, guys," and the lead up to the rfs-is-alive reveal is all pretty much the same besides the extra sibuna members.

(also cheating arc still happens amidst all the ceremony drama lol) (and the fake date-turned-peddie getting back together) (and the dog-washing-turned-jeroy-arc)

so anyways! with nearly the whole house involved, and especially joy, there's a buddy system immediately implemented to make sure none of them get taken (miss mercer's directive, obvi). sinners are victor, sweet, and mara. patricia does get jealous here, but joy recognizes it and manages to calm her down (/not let her run off alone anywhere/throw her laptop in the toilet). so that's not a thing.

so the phonograph doesn't get destroyed, they manage to break out the three sinners before 2 more are taken, and all is fine in the world…

until he and patricia and kt go back to the states for university and the two of them meet kt's new roommate ("she was actually my bestie in preschool! small world!") and now that the chosirian are together again, well…

college!sibuna, anyone?

[victorspindrop]

Hello I think?

Hi :) I guess this is an introductory blog post of some sort lol. Not expecting much just thought it would be fun to make this blog so I have somewhere to talk about HOA and HHA (and maybe find talk with other fans of the franchise). I have loved this franchise since I first saw HOA in 2011. Rekindled my love of the show back in 2020 and have started HHA back in 2022. Here some things Id like you to know about my thoughts on stuff about the show!

-Nina has always been my favorite character since childhood. I KNOW SHES THE MAIN CHARACTER AND ALL BUT SHES THE MAIN CHARACTER FOR A REASON

-Speaking of Nina, I don't care what happened in the third season Nina and Fabian will always be together (y'all will have to pry this couple from my cold dead hands)

-Besides the WONDERFUL addition of KT and Willow, I completely disregard the 3rd season entirely

-In my head, Nina leaving never happens because it makes no sense at ALL

-Speaking of making no sense, the writers pairing Mara and Fabian up together in the third season was WILD. Don't claim it.

And that's all I can think of right now tbh. I might talk about more of my own head canons ive created in my brain on here idk yet. If anyone ever wants to talk SIBUNA with me message me! I don't bite :)

[charlie-pippin-faraday]

About Jerome’s mum yeah the way Poppy and Jerome talk about her isn’t great and they explicitly state that she wants nothing to with helping their dad even though it clearly means a lot to her kids and that Jerome went to Poppy’s recitals when their mum couldn’t be assed so she’s definitely not the nicest.

[warning: this kind of turned into a long post]

Yeah none of the things anyone ever says about her or the context clues they give about her paint her in a good light. I'm trying to think of anything good Poppy or Jerome ever said about their mother and I'm drawing a blank.

Tbh I'd go as far as to say that she's probably the WORST parent of all the parents ever seen or mentioned. Or at least has the worst relationship with her kid(s). And that's saying something, given what some of these parents are like and some of the things they've done

Let's assess these parents, shall we? I'm gonna go from best to worst (in my opinion, at least)

We never hear any kind of mention of Fabian's or Willow's parents. Amber never once mentions a mother, and Nina's and KT's parents are all deceased, so we're not gonna include them, I'm only touching on the ones I know for sure exist.

Eddie's mom - A lot of this is just me drawing my own conclusions, but there's no way Eddie doesn't have a good relationship with his mother. He never mentions a step-parent, so I'm left to believe that she raised him by herself and it was just the two of them in their house. He got into trouble a lot in school in America but he never implied that caused any issues between him and his mom. He calls her boring at one point during his first date with Patricia but tbh I think that's just him lying to look cool. I think she has the best relationship of any of the parents with their kids, and I have two pieces of evidence for it: 1) Eddie brought his girlfriend across the ocean to meet his mom, who seemingly loved her, and 2) She actively helped Eddie plan a date and even called him (repeatedly) to see how it was going. A teenage boy consulted with his mom on girl problems, and one of two things happened. Either he asked her to help him plan a date/tell him what he should do to woo Patricia and she did, or she offered the date idea unprompted and he took it. That boy loves his mama and she clearly loves him right back. Absolutely none of the other kids are calling their parents and willingly letting them get THAT involved in their love lives like that.

Mara's parents (Francis & Mrs. Jaffray) - We never see them, but we hear about them a number of times, and Mara never says anything bad about them. She appears to be on very good terms with her parents. Despite not sharing their interests/passions/career choices, Mara in my estimation probably looks up to them a lot. They're both professional, gold medal-winning athletes, and I'll bet that's where Mara gets her competitiveness and her drive to be the best at everything. She probably feels a lot of pressure to achieve the same success as they did, and she does mention them being pushy, but it's probably more Mara pressuring herself internally than them pressuring her. Mara says more about her dad than her mom, describing him as normal and a little silly (he apparently dances like SpongeBob lol). Never a bad word about either of them, leading me to believe she has a very good relationship with her parents, though not on the same level as Eddie and his mother.

Alfie's parents (Philip & Marsha Lewis) - We see Alfie's parents once, when they visit the house after the play. And like, they obviously have a pretty good relationship, otherwise they wouldn't even bother visiting. Alfie's mom clearly adores him. And yes, Alfie's dad is very strict and has high expectations, but he never gave any indication that he didn't care. A lot of that comes from his desire to see his son succeed. And Alfie clearly wants his father to be proud of him and tries hard to impress him. I think Alfie's mother probably spoils him, but his dad is very hard on him, and that might have the potential to cause them conflict later in life when Alfie expresses that he doesn't want to go into the family business or even work in that field at all. Alfie describes them as strict and control freaks (his dad being strict in the "I am a businessman and in charge" type of way, and his mom in the "oh that's my baby I won't let anything happen to my baby!!!" type of way imo), but they clearly care a lot, and despite all the pressure Alfie feels from his parents they are definitely on the top end of Anubis parents. (Though tbh it's more Alfie's mom than dad that gets them this high on the list.) And since we know nothing about Fabian's dad, I think I can officially declare that Alfie has the best relationship with his dad out of all the boys in Anubis House, despite how strict he is and the potential conflict they could have.

Mick's and Joy's moms - I'm lumping these two here together because both of them are mentioned maybe once in passing and nothing is ever said about either of them. I know that they exist, and that's it. I know nothing about them or their relationships with their respective kids. So I have to assume that as moms they are just Fine, otherwise Joy and Mick would have talked about them more. And tbh I have nothing else to say about them, so moving on.

Amber's dad - Amber's dad feels like the classic "I don't know what to do with my child or how to connect with them so I'll just buy them everything" type of rich parent. Do they have a strong relationship? I wouldn't say particularly so, probably. But it's not a bad one. The main knock on him is that he doesn't have a lot of faith in her to achieve things in her life and probably doesn't think she's very smart. Does he know his daughter? No, it doesn't look that way. Does he love his daughter? Yes, he never gives any indication that he doesn't. The main thing putting him this high on the list is that Amber seems to adore her dad. She is definitely daddy's little girl. He absolutely spoils her. And she seems to revere him almost, and she believes he has the power to solve almost any kind of problem, which is probably how it went during a good portion of her childhood. He was very worried when he didn't see Amber for awhile while she was trapped in the tank room, and I'm pretty sure part of the reason he let her go to fashion school was concern over her well-being. While they have their tension and certainly their distance, this is definitely a good relationship, for the most part.

Mick's dad (Rory Campbell) - This is the point where we get into the more complex relationships. Mick's still got a good relationship with his dad, but it feels a lot more strained compared to the relationships above just because of the vibes I got while watching. Like Alfie's dad, Mick's dad is very hard on him. They're both rich and important and expect a lot. I think the main difference is that Alfie's dad was more like "I want you to take advantage of your potential so that you can succeed" but he's less particular about what success looks like. I don't believe he ever explicitly stated that he wanted Alfie to follow in his footsteps or take a particular path, it felt more vague and he would likely be more flexible with Alfie's future. Mick's dad, on the other hand, had a VERY particular plan in place that he expected Mick not to veer from, and seemed disappointed when Mick expressed that he wanted to do something else. And tbh one of the bigger transgressions in my mind is that he doesn't listen to Mick, and he doesn't take him seriously. It takes Mara's convincing to get him on board with the exact same things Mick was trying to tell him, and tbh that doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't seem to have a lot of belief in his son, and there also seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of his son if he doesn't know that he's very talented at sports and not skilled at math and science and is pushing so hard for him to be a doctor specifically and not veer from the "plan" they probably made when he was like eight. Mick expresses a lot of frustration with his dad, both during this incident and when they're taking him out of school to Australia. Another difference between Alfie and Mick: Alfie is actively trying to impress his dad. Mick feels that he's already disappointed his. I imagine the frustration decreased a lot when his dad finally accepted his son's ambitions. So overall I'd say this is a mostly good relationship, and his dad definitely cares about him, but there is tension here that I can FEEL.

Jerome's dad (John Clarke) - I'm gonna have to do the cliffsnotes version of this one, since we got basically a whole season touching on this particular relationship. They didn't make it super clear when exactly he went to prison, but there was definitely a good amount of time where he was at home with the family. Poppy said she barely remembers him, so it couldn't have been THAT long, but it was long enough for Jerome to collect a substantial amount of memories, and none of them were good. Before he went to prison, it feels like John was a pretty crappy father. And not only did his parents put Jerome in boarding school at age 5, essentially abandoning him, but it seems like being at home was awful too. So Jerome had to deal with his dad being a terrible father during probably about the first five years of his life, but he also had to deal with the trauma of his dad leaving them and disappearing. Jerome held onto that resentment for a very long time, as is warranted. And yes, John was a bad dad and disappeared on his kids, but when season 2 rolled around he truly did have a change of heart and wanted to make amends, which is the only thing keeping him from being lower on this list. You can't erase the years of bad treatment and subsequent abandonment, but he looks to have recognized that he did wrong and wants to fix them and be better moving forward, which is more than can be said for some of the parents on this list.

Patricia's parents - First of all, regardless of whether or not they are good or bad parents, it feels very clear to me that Patricia HATES her parents. And since this list is about 75% relationship with their kids and 25% how good of a parent they are, that jettisoned Patricia's parents almost all the way to the end. I'd be willing to bet that they are almost always at odds with Patricia, and that, since she's a handful, they just don't know what to do with her. And they either don't believe her, downplay her concerns, or are convinced she's always making things up for attention (probably a combination of all), because they essentially brush off Patricia's concerns when she calls them after Joy's disappearance, thinking she's talking crazy. Patricia never says her parents were BAD to her, necessarily, but I don't ever remember her saying anything good about them. Just about everything she says in reference to her parents is a negative light. Probably the biggest knock on her parents is their very obvious favoritism of Piper, whom it sounds like they raised as the golden child. They gave her all the attention, put a lot of their time and energy into her music career, and left Patricia feeling very much like the least-favorite daughter. And you know that just has to hurt like hell and also make her so very mad. She obviously still has a relationship with them, since she threatens to call their father on Piper when she ditches music school, but it's clearly not a good relationship, and she definitely doesn't LIKE them or feel respected by them. So I wouldn't say they're bad parents, but they give their daughters unequal treatment and an unequal amount of love, and tbh that's a pretty shitty thing to do. Atrocious relationship with Patricia.

Mr. Sweet - Being the right hand man of the immortality cult was already bad. And then we learned this man abandoned his son on the other side of the ocean for 16 years. My personal hatred of Mr. Sweet might bleed into this a little, but tbh I don't care. It's never made clear when exactly Mr. Sweet left Eddie and his mother, whether he left before Eddie was born or stuck around for a little bit after. If he did, he didn't stick around long, because Eddie didn't know him and he didn’t know Eddie. (Which is arguably better than Jerome where he had bad memories of his father instead of none at all?) It's also unclear what his relationship with Eddie's mother was like, whether they were married (possible but doubtful, given her different last name), or planning to build a life together, if he left without warning or had some kind of excuse for going back, if they were on good terms when he did, and also what his relationship with her is like now. (Also we don't know what he was doing in America, or when and why he decided to reach back out to Eddie and how exactly that all happened, but that's for a different post.) Either way, Eddie grew up without any kind of a father, and depending on what his mother told him, he could've hated the guy, ached to meet him, resented him, and probably every single emotion you can think of. And it undoubtedly led to a lack of trust and feeling unwanted. Not to mention that once Eddie DOES come into his life he has no clue how to be a father, and he's a pretty crap one, especially at first. On repeated occasions he acts like he hates Eddie, says he's disappointed in him (ex. the conversation in Eddie's room that Patricia overhears), and doesn't approve of him or his actions, which is not the best way to connect with your son or help him feel good (and he wonders why Eddie doesn't want to call him dad). Oh, and there's the whole "constantly putting his friends in danger" thing. And being on team evil. The ONLY saving grace here is that by the end Sweet is ACTIVELY trying to build a relationship and be a dad (I'd argue he never really succeeds at the whole being a dad part), and he seems to care and never purposefully tries to put Eddie in danger. But the two of them do not have a good relationship, I would say. And tbh I don't think Eddie should ever forgive him, after all he's done, but that's just my personal opinion.

Joy's dad (Frederick Mercer) - I feel like we sometimes forget just how awful Joy's dad was. Not only was he in the evil immortality club, he willingly used his OWN DAUGHTER for cult activities and ceremonies. Like, he essentially gave her up and said she's cult property now, intending to use her as a pawn. And he kept her locked up and isolated from the world and from her friends for MONTHS. MONTHS!!!!! And for lack of better words he was making her help them kill their friends. Like sir you have traumatized your daughter for LIFE. And it is YOUR FAULT. I have no idea what their relationship was like before all that went down; Patricia seemed to indicate that he was a pleasant guy, and even while she was locked up Joy was convinced that her dad was doing this because the others were "making him," bless her heart. Before all that, they probably had an okay, normal relationship. But tbh, none of that matters anymore. I imagine that absolutely shattered Joy's relationship with her dad. I can only imagine the heartbreak and hurt and betrayal she must've felt, especially if indeed they'd had a good relationship before, and now she probably won't ever trust him again. At one point Joy says she's trying to work on her relationship with her father, which is more than he deserves tbh. This relationship is absolutely not a good one anymore, and it may even be irreparable. The literal only thing saving him is that he at least ACTED like he cared. He repeatedly calls her darling and princess during his appearances onscreen, and he tries to assure her it'll be okay. At the very least, he cares, even if he cares in the wrong way.

And now, last and certainly least, we come to Jerome's mom. "But Liz," you say, "you're rating her worse than the two parents who were literally in the immortality club?!" Yes, and here's why.

We don't see her at ALL, but what we do hear about her paints an ugly, ugly picture. And what makes her the worst is that she does not care and does not even ATTEMPT to care. Alfie's and Mick's dads have high expectations and are hard on their kids, but they both show that they care. Amber's dad doubts her but loves her and protects her. Patricia's parents certainly have the ability to care, even if they need to reallocate their resources to BOTH daughters. Eddie's dad and Jerome's own dad, throughout all their transgressions, expressed interest in mending and building relationships with their kids. Even Joy's dad seemed to care.

Joan Clarke does not care. You said so yourself up there, anon: she refuses to help her kids with their dad in prison and never attended any of Poppy's recitals. And she sent Jerome off to boarding school at age five and left him there to rot, in Jerome's words. Throughout the entire show, I can't recall Jerome ever once saying one good thing about his mother. And he implied that his home life is bad and doesn't go home a lot, which would all be her fault, since she's the only parent there. Based on Jerome's comments and context clues, she just sounds like an unpleasant woman all around. I said this in the tags of the post that inspired this ask, and I'll say it here: I'm pretty sure Alfie has met Jerome's mom, based on clues (and if he hasn't met her, he's met her in my headcanons). In the episode with Alfie's parents, he says to Jerome "yours are WAY worse" when discussing parents, implying that he's met them. But as John Clarke is in prison and Alfie doesn't know anything about him, and also because he's definitely been gone since before Jerome and Alfie met, there's no way Alfie's met his dad. Which means he's only met Jerome's mom, and the comment was just about his mom. And if Alfie's saying it like that, you know she cannot be a pleasant lady. I'm trying to think of any redeeming things Jerome ever says about his mom, but it's difficult. Alfie makes a joke in s1 while they're "contacting Joy's spirit" that Jerome once stole Mrs. Andrews' scarf and snuggled in bed with it because he was missing his mom, but that's about it. Yes, she was technically there for her kids (unlike some of the dads on this list), but it sounds like she wasn't really there mentally. She made it clear to her kids that she doesn't care and doesn't seem to be making any effort. So if I'm Jerome, I'm going home almost never so I have to see her as little as possible [I have a headcanon that Jerome never goes home for Christmas and in fact starts going to Alfie's house for Christmas]. Because not only does he have a bad relationship with her, he has practically no relationship at all.

So, in conclusion it may be a controversial opinion, but I truly believe Jerome's mom is the worst of the parents. In their relationships with their kids, at least.