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House of Wax musical. Is that anything
#see now i would watch that#and im generally not a musical fan#house of wax 2005#house of wax#i wanna see bo singing a song#i think that would be cool
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#I hope a lot of people see this#poll#music#metal#Im genuinely just so curious about how people build their music taste#I’d say I most often find an artist on a Spotify generated playlist or in my recommendations#and I’ll listen to their top songs then start going through their albums#but I do love using gnoosic and obscurify#I also love finding small playlists#esp ones made by musicians#huge fan of the aggrotech attack playlist#I like pride myself on having extremely obscure taste in music lol#I love showing people cool small bands they’ve never heard of before#on that note check out My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult#and Xorcist
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heavy singing in his village's youth choir as their star bass as a teenager, bonding with spy who served a brief stint training as a tenor at a fine arts school and they both wish every day they could go back to it. hugest opera/choir nerds in the entire fucking world. do you seen my vision
#generally im a deep deep fan of both musical heavy and musical spy and well. smashes their faces together like barbies#bungus headcanons#tf2#tf2 spy#tf2 heavy
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I'm sorry I'm just bitter because I saw someone asking how Hozier could possibly have come up with the concept for the song Eat Your Young. "How could he have come up with the idea to combine themes of gluttony and capitalism and climate destruction and the war machine?!" God who can say how someone might write something which compares gluttony to consumerism, the capitalist philosophy that has consume in the name. How could he have possibly made a modest proposal about the war machine's hunger for the young due to the desire of the powerful for more power? Truly, the idea of this specific combination of criticisms towards capitalism, the war industry, consumerism, and Christian hypocrisy--no one has ever had ideas like these even once for the past fifty or so years
#like yall i am a gigantic hozier fan too but fucking. come on now.#he is being more blunt than a weed dispensary and y'all do him dirty like this?#read a book. or listen to other music. or something. educate yourself.#''this singer is criticizing the relationship between capitalism and war!'' gosh if only there was perhaps a counterculture movement#one which revolved around those criticisms. maybe it could attract an entire generation of singers#or maybe not. it does sound unrealistic#ughhh#sorry this is the worlds most pointless anthill but im gonna run halfway up it nonetheless
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want to give my two cents on the AI usage in the maestro trailer--
i think seventeen doing a whole concept that is anti-AI is very cool, especially as creatives themselves i think it's good that they're speaking up against it and i hope it gets more ppl talking about the issue. i also understand on a surface level the artistic choice (whether it was made by the members, the mv director, or whoever else), to directly use AI in contrast to real, human-made visuals and music in order to criticize it. i also appreciate that they clearly stated the intention of the use of AI at the beginning of the video
however, although i understand it to an extent, i do not agree with the choice to use AI to critique AI. one of the main ethical concerns with generative AI is that it is trained on other artists' work without their knowledge, consent, or compensation. and even when AI generated images are being used to critique AI, it still does not negate this particular ethical concern
the use of AI to critique also does not negate the fact that this is work that could have been done by an actual artist. i have seen some people argue that it's okay in this context because it's a critique specifically about AI, and it is content that never would have been done by a real artist anyway because it doesn't make sense for the story they're trying to tell. but i disagree. i think you can still tell the exact same story without using AI
and in fact, i would argue that it would make the anti-AI message stronger if they HAD paid an artist to draw/animate the scenes that are supposed to represent AI generated images. wouldn't it just be proof that humans can create images that are just as bad and nonsensical and soulless as AI, but that AI can't replicate the creativity and beauty and basic fucking anatomy that's in human-made art?
it feels very obvious this was not just a way to cut corners and costs like a lot of scummy people are using AI for. ultimately it was a very intentional creative decision, i just personally think it was a very poor one. and even if some ethical considerations were taken into account before this decision, i certainly don't think all of them were. at the very least i feel like the decision undermines the message they want to convey
i would also like to recognize that i myself am not an artist, and i have seen some artists that are totally on board with the use of AI in this specific context, so clearly this is not a topic that is cut and dry. but generative AI is still new, and i think it's important to keep having these conversations
#melia.txt#also want to add that as musicians svt are more directly threatened by AI generated audio than they are by AI generated images#and yet AI generated images is what was used in the video#and i guess the MV director/production company are the ones directly responsible for putting that in there#whether it was their initial idea or not#and they work in a visual medium so perhaps that makes it more 'fair' but idk it just feels like#the commentary is around music. which makes sense. and using human produced music/sound#but then taking advantage of AI images#idk just feels weird#i mean i don't like it either way#like i said in the main post i understand the intention behind the creative decision#and i'm still happy svt are speaking against ai at all i do think overall they're doing a good thing here#i just don't agree with the creative decision they/the production company/whoever made#edit: deleted the part about not boycotting svt over this bc ppl were commenting about boycotting bc of the 🛴 stuff#i meant specifically /I/ am not calling for a boycott because of specifically the ai stuff#was just trying to make a general point that im not making this post bc i want to sabatoge svt or whatever#bc kpop fans love to pull that catd whenever u criticize anything#so yeah just removed that bit bc i dont want ppl getting confused what im talking about#respect ppl boycotting because of scooter/israel stuff but thats not what this post was intended to be about#edit 2: turning off reblogs bc im going to bed and having asomewhat controversial post up is not gonna help me sleep well lol#may or my not turn rb's back on in the morning
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i love music sooo
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Into The Woods: Why the movie was shit
I'm not the first person to talk about this, nor will I be the last. It's pretty widely accepted among theatre fans that Disney bungled up this fantastic show. But it's important nevertheless to talk about how it went wrong, 'cause adaptations are delicate things, and the core of a good adaptation is an understanding of the themes and messages that constitute the story, and not just the story itself. Stephen Sondheim and James Lapine together wove a fairly meticulous fabric that is this musical, and it's fascinating to see how Disney's adaptation reduced it to rags.
For a summary of this show's plot, I recommend watching the first few minutes of Sideways' video on the themes in this show, mainly because it's a fairly complex plot and he explains it well. This is especially important, since the plot of the movie is……definitely not the same.(The whole video is definitely worth a watch too, and it brings up points that I might talk about here too.) Done that? Good, let's keep going.
"The narrator comes on stage, and he starts, 'Once upon a time.' Now once he says that, the audience starts to relax inside. Now what I wanted to do was to wake them up immediately, so before [the narrator] gets to the fifth word, I wanted a loud sound from the orchestra, or the piano"
That was Stephen Sondheim talking about the very beginning of the show. The choices he made in the songs were almost all deliberate, they were for a reason.
Now what does the movie do? They say the entire first line of the song before playing the musical sting. They knew that they had to have that there, since it was part of the prologue song, but they didn't understand at all why the song was structured the way it was.
Let this be an omen as to how the movie will adapt this musical.
Another important part of the first song is the constant quarter note motion the piano makes throughout. It's what keeps the energy of the first song going, and is the song's connective tissue. Guess what the movie didn't do? As a result, it makes the prologue feel like five different disconnected small songs.
The main problem that the adaptation suffered, was the removal of seemingly small things, but which ultimately led to the plot of the movie collapsing in on itself.
The first major one is the removal of the narrator and the baker's father. Yes, the movie technically had a narrating voice, and the father got….like one scene, both played much more prominent roles in the original musical. The baker's father, initially a mysterious old man, pulled many of the threads that made the various characters really interact, and he's an outside force helping move the story along. As for the narrator…well it's important to note that the narrator is a character. A major feature of the show is that it's a story with characters, and the show knows that. The narrator dictated how the story would go, and when the witch sacrifices him to the giant, the characters are left to fend for themselves, and that is how most of the destruction in the second act really happens.
The second one is Rapunzel's death. In the musical Rapunzel is crushed by the giant, and it leads to Witch's Lament:
"This is the world I meant. / Couldn't you listen? / Couldn't you stay content, safe behind walls / As I could not?"
An important thing to note is while yes her relationship with Rapunzel is definitely toxic, there's a complexity that arises out of her over sheltering Rapunzel to protect her, and then as a result she comes to despise that "shelter", and is then ultimately killed. The fact that she is grieving the loss of her daughter plays largely into her character in the second act, something that is entirely lacking in the movie. SO MANY OF HER LINES get undermined by this one detail, that Rapunzel never died, and that she was wrong the whole time.
Lastly, songs that were cut. There are four main ones that are important to talk about.
First, Maybe They're Magic. It's sung right after the Baker and his wife sell the beans to get the cow. It's the first time the question of whether or not they'll really have to lie and possibly steal to obtain the items, and what the ethics of it really are, arises. It also exemplifies the character of the Baker's Wife, and her more clever side, which we further see when she obtains her items mostly through either deceit or persuasion. This glimpse into her character helps set her up for 'Moments in the Woods', a song much later which also expresses her inner thoughts.
Two: Ever After/Prologue: So Happy. This is how the show ends its first act and begins the second. In the movie the events in the second act occur immediately after the wedding, while in the musical there is a time gap between the acts. The music is referenced in the instrumental track, but it's never actually sung. Although the songs are definitely very much suited for a theatrical performance, cutting both the songs means that the resulting events that occur within them have to be shuffled and rearranged. The way that the characters make their way into the woods changes, and the prince and Rapunzel run off together much later, which doesn't allow for their later scenes to ever happen in the movie. It's where the cracks in the movie start to show, and ultimately the way the decisions made for earlier parts snowballs into the later parts of the movie.
Three: Agony Reprise. Agony as a song is famous from both the movie and the show. However the reprise happens in the second act, when it turns out the two princes are not focused on the giant, but in fact on another maiden somewhere else, much like how they were in the first act. Except now they're married. Removing this song is basically like telling a joke without the punchline. Yes, Agony by itself is funny, but it's the perfect setup for its reprise. As the plot stood in the movie, it's clear why it couldn't be put in, but,,,like that's the problem. That's the whole problem
Finally: No More. This song is the one I'm most mad that they cut out. It's the final interaction the Baker has with his father, just after he runs away leaving his baby son with Cinderella. The movie,,,,badly paraphrases it, and then cuts to the Baker,,,,,crying? There's no actual emotional development, no actual introspection, and it removes one of the best written scenes in the show.
"Where are we to go?
Where are we ever to go?
Running away—we'll do it
Why sit around, resigned?
Trouble is, son
The farther you run
The more you feel undefined.
For what you left undone,
And more, what you left behind"
I implore you, watch this scene, if nothing else. It's a work of art, and the fact that it's completely cut out is a crime.
Pretty much every character in the movie became a duller and flatter version of their original, but the most egregious examples are Jack and his mother. Jack is older in the show, significantly so. He's basically in his late teens, and is sweet and naive, but not particularly bright. In the movie, however, he's,,,,a child. Like just straight up a child, and now his personality is no longer "too ungrounded for his age" but instead it's exactly how a child his age might act. Conversely, Jack's mother is overbearing, but ultimately 'stern but sweet', and is much more gentle with Jack than in the movie. In the movie though, she's mean and almost callous towards Jack, in a way that doesn't make her an enjoyable character.
I won't blame the actors for most of this. Yes, a point can be made that some of the acting itself may have been bad, but most of the fault in what I've talked about goes to the directors and script writers.
In every adaptation, choices need to be made. Since this was no longer a theatrical performance, liberties had to be taken to fit it into a film format. But each choice has a consequence, and their choices to change parts of the story snowballed into the climax of the movie, making it almost entirely different from the musical.
We talk about Into The Woods as a Sondheim show, but it is just as much a show by Lapine as it is by Sondheim. Lapine's ability to craft a story with strong and clear themes, no matter how complex or abstract the plot is, is one of the show's greatest assets. The movie was a disservice to original stage musical, but most of all it was a disservice to Lapine, taking his carefully crafted story and muddling and twisting it, until the end product had killed the central spirit of the original.
#into the woods#into the woods movie#into the woods musical#broadway#musical#musical theatre#musical theater fandom#musical theatre trash#rant post#broadway theatre#analysis#fuck disney#in general but also for this specific gripe#stephen sondheim#james lapine#sondheim shows#im not gonna tag any of the actors obviously#except maybe#james cordon#no one on that tag is a fan of him#right?#bernadette peters#fairytale#im still salty#about this movie#also its so fucking dark you cant see shit#debs own posts
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say what you will about who deserves to win various oscar nominations, i usually haven't seen enough to compare things in their categories, but it doesn't matter what anyone else did, barbie has to win production design. they caused a fucking international shortage of pink paint building all their sets like fr no matter how you feel about the film they went in on the visuals
#im not even a huge fan of the movie. i mean i think it was fun and i do recommend it it's just nothing like the hype#but the sets fashion music general aesthetics etc went fucking hard#mylife
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If there are 10 Minami fans I am one of them. If there is only one Minami fan it is me. If there are no Minami fans I have been killed, buried beyond the earth, my soul sent beyond hell, and I have been entirely retconned from life history and existence cosmically
#yakuza#rgg#minami daisaku#hes my faovuritest i dont care that im not up to his game yet i dont care he only has 2 scenes and a handful of lines#hes so fucking stupid i love him so much#metalt character existing:#me. suddenly possessed by leeches:#ive been on a kick of listening 2 music i liked as a kid a lil under a decade ago and its worsening the brainrot exponentially#10 minami fans is generous. but i couldnt remember the exact number from that meme#also i know everyone and their mother gives him tongue piercings but i am a cleaved tongue minami truther#fanart#suxx
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ive been soooo normal abt the whispering in speak by nickel creek so i had to figure out what the fuck was being said. so now im telling u
lyrics page & where i found the passages also the music video
#desire mona#media#normalest fan of nickel creek ever (this is actually such a genuinely normal post im just insane abt them in general)#also not listening to anything rn since i had to pause music to make video so#speak - nickel creek#nickel creek#certified creeker
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i wonder if someone has actually written up about this frenzy of caring a lot about whether an artist is on top of the charts and how many weeks and how many number ones and how many streams they have
#like ik this isn't a new practice in regards to pop music#and i think in general artists care about how well/bad they're doing#it's normal#but there's this pervasiveness amongst fan circles where the charts and stream and what have you it's so important#and im wondering if that has any impact on the [quality of] art at all#or if it's a reflection of the way people consume (ew) art/music
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ah, what an interesting video about hating on [80s rockstar] you have posted here, gen z tiktok user. did the virtue signaling feel good babe? was the harassment of [80s rockstar] fans fun? did the validation you got fill the void in your soul
#i get glimpses of hair metal tiktok through a mutual and im just.#gurl you hate on axl rose but watch pam and tommy#and yknow i would get it if these ppl just disliked hair metal and the like in general. still doesnt excuse the wank but at least#there is no hypocrisy here#but the majority of haters are also fans of different bands and i just. gurl. they all suck#some more some less but you will find incriminating material on 99% of them#you either dont support the entire genre or take off your puritan dress and show everyone you are wearing assless chaps like the rest of us#there is no completely unproblematic pieces of media as well as creators. learn for yourself how much youre willing to excuse#and enjoy your fave music without constantly justifying yourself#where do these people get the energy for hate. give it to me i will put it to good use#hair metal#arnold's diary#80s rock#purity culture
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i know i don't have a whole lot of reach on here, but i was thinking about perhaps putting together an alex brightman iceberg chart for funsies, any fun thoughts random tumblr people?
#im hoping to get some thoughts from people who like Beetlejuice#which is most of his fanbase#and helluva#i dont keep up with either and i want ideas from everyone#i think the charts are a fun way to introduce people to new stuff!!#beetlejuice musical#bjtm#alex brightman#in general id love to meet more people who are into brighty and the morons#im just not really a bj fan so im pretty alienated from the rest of the community
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im gonna be honest i really like the veilguard music :((. but granted im also like. not a fan of slower types of instrumentals and the stuff in veilguard is pretty intense and i like that way more
#in general im not an instrumental fan i need lyrics#like i feel like they could have got morris back to do similar upbeat ones#but also like. people are acting like it was /only/ hans zimmer making the music#the other composer (Lorne Balfe) apparently DOES do video game music. idk man. i think people are being too harsh#especially when they're ignoring the whole other composer#like they're both mainly movie composers and it shows but still. i don't think it's bad :/#Balfe did the music for the dungeons and dragons movie! lego batman! and other some really good movies so like
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I just watched Cats 2019 for the first time. I'm scared.
#girl it took me a good 20 minutes to be not scared of the cgi#I think the feet on them were the creepiest part#it wasn't as bad as I was expecting tbh but there is a ton of room for improvement-#I feel like not a lot of important happened until 40mins in#but it was still somewhat entertaining#although I recommend still watching just to see for yourself since not everyone has the same taste#like in general im not a huge fan of musicals and that's a me problem
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and if i said the wallows concert was more fun than taylor swift?
#general admission is high key so fun#live laugh love the energy on the floor#im a casual fan of wallows i dont know a lot of their music#but that was the most fun concert ive ever been to#taylor swift is my favorite i love her forever#her concerts are INCREDIBLE and that was the best experience of my life
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