#and he did. with Dooku.

[circle-around-again]

"'Deenine, do you know if Master Sidious intends to kill me?' 'I don't think so,' TD-D9 replied. 'He has invested so much time into your training that I suspect he wants you to stay alive.'" (Windham, 62).

Maul is told that the only reason why Sidious wants him is the sunk cost fallacy.

Given the events of TPM this becomes awful dramatic irony.

[inquisitor-apologist]

Thinking about how, at the end of the day, at the fatal moment, the sunset of the Republic, it wasn’t Yoda, or Obi-Wan, or even the Chosen One himself standing in the way of Palpatine. It was Mace Windu.

Mace Windu, the inventor of Vaapad and Master of Form VII, the Jedi's strongest duelist, the only person to ever defeat Palpatine in combat. Mace Windu, Master of the Jedi Council and the youngest Master ever appointed to it, the revered leader of the Order. Mace Windu, who forgave even those who tried to kill him, who risked his life over and over again for his troops, who, after 3 years of desperate war, tried to negotiate with battle droids. Mace Windu, who knew the clones were created by the Sith and chose to trust them, who saw every Shatterpoint in the Republic, and loved it still, and fought for it until his last breath, until he was betrayed by Anakin, who he believed in and trusted despite everything.

Mace Windu, High General and hero of the Republic, the embodiment of the Light, the last and greatest champion of the Order, the best Jedi to ever live.

[charmwasjess]

I legitimately didn't remember how fucking batshit funny some of the Dooku sections in Claudia Gray's Master and Apprentice were. Qui-Gon's remembering his first mission with Dooku in flashback: okay, seems straightforward enough. They land in an ongoing crisis in a battle zone, Dooku goes to talk to the generals. Then, next scene, we smashcut directly to:

"Don't be afraid." Dooku's voice rang out over even the howling winds of Shurrapak. Qui-Gon clung to the carbon-fibre-rope riggings of the Shurrapakan ship, salt spray stinging his face and hands as they rounded the cape to approach the battle from an angle the enemy wouldn't expect. "They're shielded against skycraft and energy weapons. Not against seafaring vessels!" He made this sound majestic, courageous, brilliant -- nothing like the last-minute, last-ditch attempt it really was. Qui-Gon took a deep breath and stared up at the stars. Big mistake. The stars weren't moving and his stomach was, and the queasiness that swept through him made him feel weak.

Dooku has been on this planet for less than 24 hours. There are already other Jedi there ahead of him with established generals working on the battle plans, which according to the scene just before this, are complete enough that its conceivable Dooku and Qui-Gon will miss the action. So naturally, the plan he then comes up with is "ABANDON ALL OTHER PLANS, WE ATTACK THE FORTIFIED BATTLEFIELD WITH OLD TIMEY ROPE-RIGGED SAILING SHIPS!"

And at his side?? A seasick twelve year old who has never left the Temple or seen battle!!! Who can't swim! And backing them up?? Rael fucking Averross, who Dooku was just nagging for being too eager to get into the fighting. Sure, Dooku. That's Rael's problem.

This is the most disaster lineage shit I've ever read. This could absolutely be an Anakin and Obi-Wan Clone Wars arc.

Bonus Rael and Qui-Gon Content, from earlier in the chapter:

"C'mon, then, let's go talk to the generals." Rael made it sound like the most natural thing for a twelve-year-old to do.

Rael, you crazy motherfucker, never change.

[roseaesynstylae]

Alpha-17 is widely considered to be the single most badass trooper in the GAR. (Well, there’s also Fordo, but he’s quieter and more reserved.) There are all kinds of rumors that range from the plausible (Alpha-17 once destroyed a droid factory in an hour and on his own) to the absurd (Alpha-17 fought Dooku and Ventress at the same time and won). You’d expect them to be a cadet-exclusive thing, but a shocking amount is spread among the ranks. Only the other Alphas and, to a lesser extent, the Command Batch can sort fact from fiction. Alpha just thinks it’s hilarious.

[gaeasun]

We all make fun of the disaster lineage for being disasters, but when you think about it they had exceptional dueling skills. Dooku was specifically known for his dueling ability; Obi-wan beat Anakin and Maul and yes though he ended up shooting Greivous he was one of the few Jedi to even survive dueling him; Anakin was well, Anakin.

Its hard to even say whos the best but Ahsoka sure has a list of achievements against opponents three times her size, and i think shes my favorite to actually watch (animation that is, with her reverse grip and acrobatic style).

Surviving Ventress in her first week as a padawan

Defeating three magnaguards, also in her first week as a padawan

Survives Ventress several more times, when Ventress is crazy enough to give a Jedi Master like Luminara serious trouble

Surviving Grievous when she still had one lightsaber and stubby baby montrals

Surviving Grievous again later during the youngling arc, once she has two lightsabers and a lot more experience under her belt. Even using all four of his lightsabers he can't kill her.

You know, Maul. When she was 17. Need i even say more?

The time she beat that one Inquisitor without her own lightsaber and killed him with his own (happened in both the book and TotJ).

That time she beat off two Inquisitors at once.

There are only three Jedi who ever survived against Vader. She did technically die but she came back and also a temple fell on her. anyways she survived long enough to have a building fall on her which is saying a lot.

Anyways disaster lineage are epic duelists and we have to respect them for that

[highly-opinionated-nerd]

If I were a Jedi, I'd put a wiimote wrist strap on my lightsaber. Nonnegotiable. That thing is my main source of both offense and defense and I'm NOT about to risk dropping it in the middle of needing it

[jewishcissiekj]

[mrkestis]

What do we think about the fact that Ky Narec and Ventress were supposedly ”stranded” on Rattatak for like 20 years? I’ve always found it strange that the jedi council never came looking for Ky, and that he never made any attempt to escape himself either. In the book Dooku: Jedi Lost Dooku claims that Ky had made some kind of mistake and therefore exiled himself to Rattatak in order to avoid the Jedi council’s judgement, but I don’t really believe this since Dooku was trying to manipulate Ventress when he said it. Instead I find it much more likely that Ky actually crashed on Rattatak and then stayed for Ventress’ sake.

After finding her he must have known that if he brought this girl to the jedi temple she would have never been approved for training. She was too old, had an unhealthy attachment to her former slave master and had touched the dark side since said slave master had forced her to torture people with her abilities. So in order to be able to train Ventress, Ky deliberately stayed on Rattatak and never contacted the jedi council. He too must have recognised the risk in training Ventress, so staying on Rattatak would’ve also been a way to keep her in a familiar environment and isolated from the rest of the galaxy in case something went wrong.

Was he wrong to do this? Should he have brought her to the jedi temple despite knowing she wouldn’t be trained? Should he have brought her back to Dathomir? I desperately want more content about Ky and Ventress in order to learn more about their relationship and just Ky Narec in general.

[corellianhounds]

I know we (rightfully) give Attack of the Clones a lot of grief for Obi-Wan just being able to show up unannounced and for him to just be given the literal biggest state secrets possibly of the entire war, in addition to how this cloning operation has been going on for like a decade without anyone knowing anything or any documentation crossing Mace Windu’s desk, but considering Sifo Dyas or Dooku or whoever was able to somehow erase an entire planet from (allegedly) every known bit of data collection or documentation, it could be argued that maybe Dyas and Dooku were just master forgers and had fake correspondence and reports going between them and the Kaminoans for over a decade now.

It’s not that far of a leap to say they got their hands on some heavily encrypted software on some very expensive computers and were able to imitate different speech patterns and documents and handwriting and official stamps or even holograms and holocalls. As far as the Kaminoans know, all of their contacts are fully aware and in the know about this clone army (because as far as they know, Sifo Dyas is alive and had to have been in communication recently)— When Obi-Wan shows up, it just happened to be at the exact time Dooku was the one supposed to be there in person himself that day. The Kaminoans did greet him as Master Jedi and said he was expected.

Obviously that could have only worked in the movie if Dooku had shown up and we saw him having to keep his cool/sneak around when some other Kaminoans tell him his “assistant” has already arrived, would you like us to escort you to him?

Internally Dooku’s thinking “WHOMST??” but externally he’s keeping his chill while searching the Force for whoever else might be— is that OBI-WAN KENOBI??

It’s soooooo tasty for Qui-Gon’s master and Qui-Gon’s apprentice to meet under these circumstances. Both of them know the other shouldn’t be there right now. They’re both having to play it cool in front of the Kaminoans, and this is even besides the fact Kenobi was there to find the bounty hunter assassin in the first place.

“I didn’t think you… were still as active in the Order,” Obi-Wan says slowly and diplomatically, knowing for a FACT that Dooku left the Order a long time ago.

“I… retired from active service,” Dooku says, equally diplomatically. “I act as a… consultant from time to time.”

“It’s soooo funny how I’ve never heard anything about that or this clone army the Jedi ordered,” Obi-Wan says, making direct eye contact with Dooku and probably trying to read his mind (to no avail). “The one they ordered ten years ago before there was ever any thought of the Jedi being actively involved on the frontlines of what isn’t a declared war. What would the Jedi want with a military in the first place?”

“How old are you, young one?” Dooku deflects in that fake kindly condescending grandfatherly voice. “How long have you been on the Council— Oh you’re just a Kniiiiight, that’s right, okay I see. How interesting. How much information are you actually privilege to, Obi-Wan?”

And this is all happening even before Obi-Wan Nancy Drew’d his way to Jango Fett’s private quarters!

Obi-Wan KNOWS he can’t go rogue right now when he’s that far from his ship on a city surrounded by an ocean and a literal army of clones soldiers (of that one super efficient bounty hunter, whenever it is he finds that out) all apparently under the command (?) of someone who definitely definitely super should not be speaking or doing or ordering anything under the name of the Jedi Order.

Count Dooku (who he doesn’t even know is a Sith yet) could very easily accuse him of being an impostor and have him detained or attacked or killed on sight. Zam Wessel was already established to be a shapeshifter in this movie, so it’s not outside the realm of possibility for Obi-Wan to not be who he says he is (which is kinda true?? since he WASN’T the Jedi ambassador for the Temple there to pick up his to-go order of a quarter-million identical men, with a million more on the way??). The Kaminoans might not even know much else about Jedi and Sith aesthetics besides “Wears robes” so if Dooku pulled a red lightsaber it might not even faze them, since he’d be able to provide more information and correspondence proving he’s the ‘actual’ Jedi anyway

Like can you imagine a fight breaking out not just between Kenobi and Jango, but a team-up of Jango and Dooku against Kenobi? That would have jumpstarted some of this clone army business a lot earlier in the movie and actually addressed what should have been the biggest conspiracy, coverup, and militaristic move of the MILLENNIUM

[jedi-order-apologist]

Dreams to Chase (Away)

Dooku preferred the nightmares. Written for Fandom Empire Prompt Tables 2024 - Prompt: "Lonely"

Read on AO3

The nature of Sith training was such that it often left nightmares in its wake. Dooku preferred to think of it differently, though – “nightmare” was a childish word, implying a sort of weakness, a need for comfort.

Nothing could be further from the truth. These reminders of his training, of his pain, served to make him strong. They ensured he woke up in the embrace of the dark side, filled with rage and hatred for what he had endured. It kept him focused.

The true weakness was in the other dreams. The ones that took away his focus, that rather than anger, left behind an emptier feeling that he did not let himself think about long enough to name.

Better to dream of suffering, of Sidious’s lightning and cruel laughter, than to dream of home the Jedi Temple. Of Qui-Gon, attempting to smuggle animals into his room, or stumbling over his first negotiation. Of Mace, coming around for advice, debate, or just tea and company. Of Jocasta and Sifo-Dyas in their youth. Of Yoda, telling him “a fine teacher, you will be,” after finding Dooku helping some younglings, with a warm smile and a pleased glint in the old Master’s eyes…

Those dreams didn’t limit themselves to mere echoes of the past, either. Sometimes memories blurred together and created something that had never been, would never be. Sometimes Asajj stood where Qui-Gon had; sometimes it was Obi-Wan who joined him for tea. Sometimes it was the joyous laughter of younglings he didn’t know. Sometimes it was Dooku alone in his old room, but with the knowledge that others were never far away.

It was these dreams that frustrated Dooku more than any nightmare ever could, as he sought a way to banish them completely.

But his efforts remained in vain.

[toxictoad]

Is there a fandom word for a supporting character that is rarely if ever a topic for fandom but that you are absolutely obsessed with?

I'm not talking about a glup shitto. I mean a character that everyone knows about but who isn't really anyone's favorite character. Fics centered on them are rare and ones that actually explore them in an interesting way are even rarer. No one really kins them or draws them. No one brings them up outside of discussing other characters.

Yeah, whatever that is.

But then...

A piece of media comes out that heavily features that character... and people finally talk about them.... you are in heaven for a few short months... and then it goes back to how it was.

Oh, sure, maybe there will be more people who like that character now. Maybe there will be an uptick in fics that give you a small backlog to read. Maybe you'll even get a nice catalog of fanart that will fuel your imagination for a little while.

But no matter what; that character won't get as much attention as you think they deserve.

Anyway that's how I feel about Count Fanon-first-name-Yan Dooku.

[charmwasjess]

Every now and then I just have to have a little breakdown about that Living Force novel making Sifo-Dyas a Seeker. Not just "aww the guy routinely devastated by visions of the apocalypse also takes care of little baby Force users in his other time, that's so nice for him on a wet cat level" but the way it's such an interesting example of him using his powers practically.

Of course he's a Seeker. He can see kids' futures, and intervene in a very simple, early way. It must be so psychologically satisfying for this person who spends his whole life trying to come up with these massive scale cosmic fix-its.

[littlediscoveredstars]

New headcanon! Qui-Gon Jinn was green-red colorblind (protanopia).

Think about it! This man has surrounded himself with green. He loves plants (can’t remember if that’s canon or not but it is to me) and collects them. He has a green lightsaber, a color he cannot see.

The only color that pops out among seas of dull yellow is blue. The color of Obi-Wan’s lightsaber, as well as Dooku’s (and Anakin’s). Blue, the color of his Padawan’s eyes. Blue, the only thing different. It would stick out during fights. He would know immediately where his master/padawan is by the color.

And let’s talk about red! Qui-Gon can’t see red, the color of Count Dooku, the Sith’s, lightsaber. He could not see his master slowly falling toward the dark.

He couldn’t see Maul’s lightsaber past it’s glow. It blended in too well and he payed for it with his life. Maul, the first Sith in centuries to fight with a Jedi. Qui-Gon, the first killed because he couldn’t see their plans. Couldn’t predict his own end and the scenes he died to. His own master’s plans, beside Sidious.

Anyway. So, I headcanon Qui-Gon had protanopia…

[engagemythrusters]

"Dooku had a point" actually Dooku woke up every morning and decided to murder people who didn't agree with his opinions. Dooku woke up every morning and pushed a war that killed millions. Dooku woke up every morning and chose literal fascism. Dooku woke up every morning and made soliloquies to about how he was right and lied the entire time. Dooku woke up every morning as a master manipulator and a murderer and went to bed the same damn way.

[count-doodoo]

me seeing literally any villain with literally any amount of respect for the younger hero: [CLENCHES FIST] HE COULD'VE BEEN SUCH A GOOD SENILE GRANDPA IF HE WASN'T A FUCKING COWARD

[cienie-isengardu]

Sources: Jango Fett sold into slavery

Jango Fett: Open Seasons, #3

Count Dooku: "We were forced to hand him over to the governor of Galidraan. He bacame a slave."

Jango Fett: Open Seasons, #4

Jango Fett: "After you Jedi turned me over to the governor of Galidraan... he sold me to slavers."

Bounty Hunter (Game Guide)

"[...] the Mandalorians ran afoul of the Jedi Knights, who wiped out most of the mercenary army and delivered the survivors to the governor of Galidraan. Jango became a slave [...]"

Fact Files v.3 #14 (Jango Fett entry)

"Sold into slavery by the corrupt governor, a burning desire for vengeance on Tor Vizsla kept Jango Fett alive for long years until the transport he was on was attacked. Fett freed himself, killed his slave master and escaped."

Fact Files #124 (Tor Vizsla entry)

"Fett was captured and handed over to the Governor of Galidraan. Vizsla toyed with him for a while before selling him into slavery."

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

"Half of the Jedi task force was killed while the Mandalorians were wiped out - except for Jango Fett, who was turned over to the governor. After years of serving as a slave, Fett escaped and returned to Galidraan to claim the armor of the Mandalorians and enact revenge on Vizsla."

The Clone Wars (Novel)

The snow had melted; the dead were buried. But he couldn't erase Jango Fett's face, the face of a man back from the living death of a slavery that Dooku had delivered him into, etched with all the bitter lines of surviving only to have his moment of justice.