#and Danzo's shit to be revealed to

[oh-no-its-bird]

I don't like the "tobirama was actually super racist and evil" takes for multiple reasons, but I have to admit that it's incredibly funny to me to think about that take in the context of one of those "tobirama time travels/edo tenseis and is revealed to have *gasp* loved an Uchiha once—?!??"

Like. Ok: fic w a stereotypically "all Uchiha are evil they are born to fall victim to their own hatred" Tobirama, but it's also one of those silly cracky fics where Tobirama gets edo tenseid and is revealed to have been in some kind of relationship with Madara

And everyone is like "omg,, maybe he wasn't racist after all? Was he... in love? 🥺"

But no. He is. And actually the messy break up was specifically bc he was Uchiha racist or whatever and wanted to end the relationship before "things get too serious and you fall victim to your curse of hatred"

(spoilers: him saying this directly to Madara's face did not help with any of his mental or anger issues. Curse of hatred ain't shit but a mentally unstable man who almost learned to forgive his brothers killer only to be told straight to his face that he is a man born to do nothing but hate and Tobirama will not love him for both of their own good— yeah that's a different story.)

Tobirama finds Madara doing his evil maniac thing or whatever and is like "tch. Told u it would happen,,"

Madara stops the slaughter just to yell at Tobirama ab how this doesn't prove SHIT.

Make it funnier actually, Tobirama has slept with multiple Uchiha. All the Uchiha. Mr Uchiha bicycle over here. That's including Izuna too.

Still hates them tho btw. Incredibly genuinley just actually racist. Clanist? Is it racism if it's a clan and not a race? Whatever.

Hashirama is like listing off this (honestly alarmingly long) list of Uchiha partners he's had as he just kind of stands there and everyone else have differently favored reactions of either "was the nidaime a whore?" or "omg,,, he must really like Uchiha,, how could he possibly be racist when he's been with so many 🥺🥺"

(Spoilers x2: you can absoloutley be racist while having some sort of fetish for a group of people at the same time. Those are statements that can co-exist.)

The real reason Danzo hates the Uchiha isn't just bc of Tobirama's racism being passed down, it's bc he walked in on him taking backshots from Hikaku, pass it on. He could have been bad but not genocide level racist against the Uchiha but that just kind of tipped the scales. Unfortunate tbh.

I am so sorry I'll see myself out now

[please-read-the-manga]

I re-read the manga/get back into thinking about this series like once or twice a year... needed a place to post my thoughts amid the sea of disingenuous, bad faith takes I often see regarding too many characters (mostly Uchiha) and their related scenes.

Wondering about my general takes?

Here's a list:

Sasuke deserved better, mostly from fans who willfully misinterpret or trivialize his character arc/motivations.

Sasuke's worst 'crime' (imo) is stabbing Karin and nothing else even compares. In fact, throughout Shippuden he mostly helped Konoha indirectly (even if that was not his intention). He killed three rogue ninja (Orochimaru, Deidara, and Itachi), he freed Orochimaru's prisoners, he stopped Kabuto/the edo tensei with Itachi, he summoned the past Hokage who helped with the war, and he was fundamental in saving the world and defeating Kaguya - you wouldn't even have a prison to 'lock him up' in (as if he could even be held at this point lmao) if not for him helping save the world.

Actually, let me keep ranting about Sasuke's 'crimes' for a minute... Re: Danzo, the guy was already about to be jumped at the Five Kage Summit for his multiple unraveling deceptions (and generally being a bum ass lol) even before Sasuke got there. Fr, dude had so much blood on his hands/insanely dirty laundry it's not even funny... so, again, Sasuke did Konoha another favor by taking him out. And bffr about the nameless, faceless samurai for 3 seconds OR acknowledge that others, like Gaara when he invaded the Leaf, should be locked up for life for also killing 'innocent' fodder in the background... like c'mon, we're not going to be that disingenuous about the world/setting are we? He also went to the 5KS under stealth which was only ruined by Zetsu announcing his presence and kickstarting an insane gauntlet with the kage that Sasuke didn't give a shit about/hadn't intended. Re: Akatsuki, he joined them for 0.5 seconds, failed the mission to capture Bee, and then immediately dropped them after getting Itachi's eyes. He also claimed he wanted to 'destroy Konoha' and be 'darkness incarnate to unite the world' and, again, didn't do anything truly actionable about those fleeting plans before immediately dropping the ideas altogether after another 0.5 seconds of consideration. And during this series of events we even have rare insight into Sasuke's psyche which reveals that (at this point in the story) he was notably lost and confused, deep in his grief, and very desperately trying to wrap his head around how the world could be so cruel that his own beloved brother was groomed and manipulated into mercilessly slaughtering their entire family/clan (and for WHAT) - he's hopelessly searching for answers/solutions during this time because the reality that the Hidden Villages/Shinobi World are 'just like that' (ie. fundamentally cruel/broken), is too much for him to bear. You could argue one of his 'big crimes' was being a rogue ninja (which in-universe is stated to be treasonous) after he left the village at 12 to train with Orochimaru... but to that I'd counter, even if he didn't know the full truth behind his clan's indiscriminate slaughter, he was still willing to make such a personal sacrifice/abandon the village because he knew by then that Konoha didn't actually give a shit about his quest of justice for the Uchiha. So Sasuke, even then, out of his deep love for his family and an intrinsic need for justice, decided there was nothing left for him in a Konoha that wasn't going to help him achieve his righteous goals of avenging the clan. He left and became a rogue ninja for what he saw as a higher (and certainly a more moral) calling.

Sasuke wasn't constantly 'arrogant' and Naruto's POV often gets this wrong about his character. While Naruto can be excused for how he interpreted/viewed Sasuke from afar as it's his own bias, it's still the reader's responsibility to realize Naruto's perception is often flawed and should not be simply accepted at objective face value. We, the reader, know that for much of his childhood Sasuke was a severely depressed and traumatized child who had been given the monumental task of seeking justice for his entire clan and their legacy. We often see Naruto wrongfully interpret this as Sasuke being aloof and cocky when really we know that (most of the time) Sasuke was just barely hanging on by a thread and none of his peers could even begin to understand/fathom what he had been through or why he felt compelled to work so hard and undertake his incredibly grueling quest.

The Leaf owes the Uchiha reparations and were/are fundamentally wrong in orchestrating the genocide of ANY clan, let alone a founding clan. There is absolutely no justification for genocide so don't even try to make one with me. The Leaf should be groveling at Sasuke's feet, begging for his forgiveness of their egregious crimes to him and his family. The fact that today (Boruto-era), Sasuke instead chooses to quietly protect them is testament to Sasuke's incredible generosity/capacity for forgiveness - not theirs.

Sasuke is/was the glue that holds Team 7 together. Until Itachi came back in part one to 'kidnap' Naruto and violently torture/mentally destroy his brother again (ie. remind Sasuke of the ultimate task of justice he had bestowed on him/keep him 'on track' with Itachi's plans for his brother), Sasuke had really been opening himself up to his team which was no small feat after the enormous tragedy of the Uchiha Clan Massacre and how badly he had been scarred after horrifically losing everyone he'd ever loved. Sasuke is the reason Team 7 passed Kakashi's bell test and remained shinobi, Sasuke decided that Naruto being fed mattered more than their sensei's arbitrary rules, Sasuke showed Naruto kindness that literally no one else ever had (let alone a peer), Sasuke was willing to DIE for Naruto and give up on his dreams just to make sure Naruto survived (and this resulted in Naruto's life fundamentally changing for the better - this is one of the key reasons why Sasuke is Naruto's most important person/personal mission), Sasuke was the one who led Team 7, Sasuke called Team 7 his precious people and wanted so desperately to keep them safe. Team 7 has always been Sasuke leaving a lasting and profound impact on his teammates and him, in turn, choosing to love and protect them even though he intimately knows how great the cost of loss/losing those he loves is.

The Uchiha Clan Massacre was a horrific event that should not be undermined or underplayed. If you don't remember it this way, then you need to re-read the manga. It was so bad that at seven years old (SEVEN) Sasuke unlocked his sharingan, that is younger than any other Uchiha character we've seen. It's even worse when you remember that Sasuke tried to dissociate so completely from this traumatic event that he didn't re-unlock his sharingan until he was twelve and risking his life to protect Naruto. I hate playing the 'Trauma Olympics' this fandom tries to encourage but don't even go there with me on the Uchiha Clan Massacre OR Sasuke's subsequent torture over it at his brother's hands.

Sasuke is not an 'edge-lord' or an 'emo' or a 'cry baby'... it is 2024 about to be 2025 and if you're still serious about those interpretations of the character then I'm going to assume you've only consumed Naruto through TikTok/Youtube clips and therefore don't have any meaningful grasp on the source material/its themes. The fact Sasuke was able to keep going after what Itachi did (which, as another reminder, was annihilating his entire family, culture, and sense of safety on top of violently torturing him as a seven-year-old) speaks so much to Sasuke's resilience and strength.

Actually (re: UCM), I consider this thread fundamental reading: Kishimoto's Writing on the Uchiha Is Unironically A Good Example of Real Life Pro-Genocide Propaganda (by u/livingwithstupidity).

Itachi is a complicated character to me. I greatly enjoy his pre-massacre relationship to Sasuke and believe he was a loving brother. I also greatly struggle with the way he violently tortured Sasuke in an attempt to mold him into own his perfect vision of 'strength' rather than see Sasuke for the individual he was. Itachi even vaguely tries alluding to this mistake when he dies. That being said, I think Itachi is also a victim of the ninja system and he was far too young to be given the responsibilities he had... buuuuut, the fact he still doesn't acknowledge that the shinobi world (and by extension Konoha itself) is inherently flawed and was wrong for putting him through it all, irks me. So he's complicated in my book.

I like Kakashi, but sometimes I can't stand his fans and it can bleed into my views on the character (though I do try to couch my biases). And I recognize that the reverse is probably true for them of us Sasuke fans lol. You like what you like, I get it. I'm just saying my piece. Kakashi has a lot of heavy baggage from his past and is mentally unwell but shown to be 'managing' it. Like Itachi, he is also a victim of the broken/corrupt shinobi system and it's important to recognize that he responds to his trauma within this system differently than Sasuke, differently than Naruto, etc. while also being an adult with additional experience under his belt. But, when his fans cheer him on for being unable (and many of them think he is actually 'unwilling', which I'd argue is not true nor would it be in-character) to help Sasuke who is drowning in grief... it just rubs me the wrong way lol. I can completely understand/recognize that Kakashi was out of his depth with handling Sasuke... In fact, after what Sasuke has been through, I personally don't they should have even trained him to be a child soldier to begin with, but whatever the Leaf has to make its money. It's weird to me that, rather than acknowledging this as a difficulty Kakashi is navigating as Sasuke's mentor, some of his fans will just completely villainize Sasuke's valid-but-raw emotions in favor of hyping up Kakashi's stoicism as the preferred/'better' trauma response. Ignoring the fact that this 'stoicism' is really a way for Kakashi to (literally lol) mask his own barely healed emotional turmoil, they're also refusing to explore the far more compelling idea of how varied the processing of grief/trauma can be and how under-explored/understood it is within the shinobi world (especially to the extent that Kakashi was set up for failure here). Not to mention the fact there's a really interesting connection between the two characters and their emotional pain that Kakashi himself recognizes/is reminded of when he sees Sasuke struggling. I just think some fans, in their attempt to woobify Kakashi, diminish the character's agency and his personal journey of navigating how to be an effective mentor to the next generation of struggling kids while still not being completely mentally well/healed/adjusted himself.

Sasuke is Naruto's best friend and most important person. Full stop. It's not Shikamaru, Hinata, Gaara, or Sakura. The narrative repeatedly, constantly, blatantly, underscores Sasuke's fundamental importance to Naruto and who he is as a person. He can be great friends with all of these other people, but each and every one of them will pale in the way he views and holds Sasuke in his heart. This is directly from the text.

Sasuke worked incredibly hard to be where he is today. I think the misconception that he didn't maybe comes from a few comments made in part one by characters implying Sasuke was 'only' good because of his clan's legacy... but again, we know this is untrue. We see Sasuke training constantly. Even as a young child, he works tirelessly to grasp the fireball jutsu to impress his father - it didn't come naturally to him (in comparison to someone like Itachi), but he worked nonstop to make up that difference. At the academy, especially post-massacre, if not dissociating/slipping into depression we see that one of the only things driving him is continuing his training/performing at the top level in hopes he can one day avenge his family. Naruto also gets flak in this 'hard work v. natural talent' debate and even if both he and Sasuke did have natural advantages, they still had to work hard to fully harness and utilize those talents and I don't think that should be negated.

Tobirama's design is sick (in a good way) but his politics are also sick (in a very bad way lol). If you know, you know.

I think Hashirama owed more to Madara. He kind of acknowledges it in the end when they're together/dying once again, but really Hashirama flagrantly ignoring/not doing enough regarding Madara's concerns about his brother's bias against the Uchiha (which we see still remains when Sasuke summons the past Hokage) is a major misstep that I feel falls on Hashirama's shoulders. Madara has his own many faults (no question about that lol), but it's a two-way street and the foundation for Konoha was rocky from the very beginning (and don't even get me started on 'We-Should-Vote-For-Hokage' Tobirama who then goes on to field promote his own successor to the role and continue the lineage nepotism/Senju concentration of power in Konoha lmao). Oy. That said, I do really enjoy the Founders era and wish we had a prequel centering on the Senju/Uchiha instead of Boruto.

Madara and Naruto parallels are awesome/fascinating as are Hashirama and Sasuke parallels. That's it, just wanted to state that. I really appreciate all the talented people who have brought forth that analysis as it's definitely altered the way I re-read/examine certain scenes now.

In general, I'll just never understand Uchiha haters who wish the Uchiha didn't exist... like wdym lol, there'd be no narrative or story without them. They are the drama, they are the moment. Naruto without the Uchiha constantly bringing their best (and worst lol) is nothing.

Neji deserved better - the Hyuga should have been called out and brought to task for their horrific practices.

The Tailed Beasts and Jinchūriki deserved better. The practice of making what are akin to living nuclear bombs for the purpose of warmongering and statecraft is inhumane both to the enslaved tailed beast and the (often) nonconsenting jinchuriki host. It's an archaic and gross practices that divests living, breathing creatures from their autonomy and the oppression that many nonconsenting jinchuriki face as a result of hosting them (with the expectation that they will be used as state weapons of horrifying power) is genuinely gross. Honestly, I think more was owed to Naruto (who never asked for this) and Kurama (who definitely didn't ask for this and has been abused as a weapon of war for decades).

Ame deserved better. I don't like to venture into Boruto because I don't keep up with the chapters as often (the art style is so bad to me, I'm sorry) but the fact that two sitting Hokage (Kakashi and then Naruto) have done nothing to repay what Konoha did to them is egregious.

Team Taka deserved better. I just really like them and what they represented. The way each of them reflected different key aspects of Sasuke's character was woefully underexplored. I also wish we had gotten to see them accomplish their individual goals/how those goals would evolve over time. Suigetsu reviving the legendary swordsmen, Jugo finding a way to tame the curse inside of him, Karin maybe carrying on Uzumaki culture/lineage as one of the very few remaining members of the clan -- I don't know, I just wish it had been more developed because I really vibe with the concept.

The Hidden Villages can talk all the shit they want but we still never really had a conclusion regarding the impact of their involvement in atrocities against one another nor their latent support of the Akatsuki as an organization and the role that played in the overall war. People are constantly demanding consequences for Sasuke (which, go back up and read my first few points if that's you) while the villages themselves are never held accountable for their own actions and the grave harm that they've caused.

The Elders who helped Danzo plan the massacre should have been called out and brought to task. The fact they continue to sit on the Hokage's council even now is insidiously evil.

Fugaku wasn't a bad father. He was simply stern and struggled to sometimes connect with his kids... but he obviously respected and loved them. Sasuke was an incredibly happy and dedicated child growing up (albeit a bit shy) and he clearly felt comfortable enough going to his parents with honest questions - he does this with both Mikoto and Fugaku who reassure him that he is loved and his own person (ie. he doesn't have to be Itachi). The Uchiha are a clan of deep love/loyalty and even if bad actors like Tobirama want to twist that into a terrible thing, I think it's wonderful and I won't tolerate Fugaku slander lol.

Naruto filler/anime-only changes are the bane of my existence. The manga is superior for many reasons, but a big one for me is that so much is lost in the original work's expressions when it is animated. The way certain filler goes out of its way to assassinate certain characters as well (Sasuke and Sakura, in particular) is just... awful. If I have to see the 'Sasuke would have still been an asshole even without the massacre' take one more time and watch that person cite the horrifically bad, non-canon filler that was Tsunade's stupid Infinite Tsukuyomi dream then I'm gonna lose it lmao.

This matters very little to me, but I've been asked before so I'll put it here - I really don't care about romantic pairings at all in Naruto. I think sometimes fans make fun/funny content with the pairings, but the purpose it serves in the narrative doesn't really do anything for me.

Maybe I'll add more to these as time goes on lol. Interestingly, I've held many of these thoughts/opinions for years now. Even as a young kid reading the manga religiously after school in the public library, Sasuke and his pursuit of justice really resonated with me... so it's nice to see that some things never change haha.

That being said, outside of a few of my hard lines (trivializing genocide, for example), I'm largely fine with reading alternative interpretations/analysis when it comes to Naruto and its characters -- especially when it is backed up by the text. I really appreciate anyone who backs up their thoughts with evidence from the manga because I think it goes a long way in combatting the wild misinformation that gets circulated through fandom groupthink and the far too common consumption of Naruto through limited/edited videos of the anime (including filler that gets treated as canon).

TLDR: Most of my opinions/takes revolve around the fact that I think the fandom owes Sasuke a lot more grace and that, in a better timeline, the Uchiha clan (and many other characters) would have received better, more satisfying narrative conclusions than what we were ultimately given.

Adding Disclaimers:

I am first and foremost a manga reader/purist.

I have only fully watched through the anime (sans filler) around two times. While I've revisited certain arcs as some can be better/more faithful than others, I generally dislike how the anime portrays a lot of characters and I feel it has a severe decline in quality over the art of the manga. All that to say, if not otherwise stated I am gauging my analysis/opinions exclusively via what is portrayed in the manga.

Anything from filler is garbage to me. Sorry. It's not canon and 9/10 I do not care for it and find that it bastardizes the characters even worse than the general anime portrayal does.

This is embarrassing to admit, but because Sasuke didn't really feature in them I think I only ever saw one of the earliest Naruto 'movies' and then never bothered again lol.

In general, if Sasuke/Uchiha characters don't heavily feature in a particular chapter... I will probably need to re-read it before I can faithfully engage in dialogue about it (I know, I have no shame lol but I do promise to re-read... it's good for me).

I consider the 'light novels' to be somewhere around 'canon-lite' (it's murky) but have not engaged with them as they don't really appeal to me (though I am aware of some details/the general plot points of a few stories).

[ludwigplayingthetrombone]

After seeing your beautiful new piece with the cute vignettes of team 7+team kakashi, i was wondering — how do you feel about Naruto (the boy)?

o thankyou! ;u; my feelings on narts the boy are so torn tbh so im gonna throw my ramblings under a cut bc idk if i can articulate this correctly

og naruto narts? love him. adore him. i miss that dumb little punk kid i loved him challenging the system and wanting to change it and help people. i /wanted/ him to inspire people like kakashi and gai's gen to do the same and realize how fucked up their childhoods were being weapons of the state at like 6 and 7

shippuden narts? He just rubs me the wrong way. started out good with gaara rescue arc, but then all his pizzaz left and let his obsession of sasuke be the only priority. (This isnt his fault, but kishi writing it so ONLY naruto could kill or defeat most of the enemies with his new op move was so boring to me. none of the secondary cast got to do shit) He also didnt take one second to question if his endgoal is still the same since he turned out to be exactly the opposite of "anyone can be hokage" bc he turns out to have the specialist blood of all and got revealed as a nepo baby and chosen one. He licherally became complicit and changed next to nothing as hokage in the end. the status quo remained the fucking same. Naruto rejecting the hokage position bc he recognizes neji was right is so much more interesting to me

Naruto is at his best when sasuke isnt involved imho. I adore his interactions with everyone else bc he truly loves his friends and family, but him and sakura were so delusional over sasuke but didnt actually Know him and his trauma they just loved the Idea of him. the way they talk about it, they act like sasuke was kidnapped and didnt CHOOSE to leave and even tried to kill them multiple times. shikamaru stronger than me, it'd slap the shit out of both of them

I wish they'd head on addressed the whole "sasuke's whole family was slaughtered in front of him" together and not "you have to come back so we can be a team and things can be normal again like nothing ever happened and fight me!" naruto would be the first one to offer to pull up on itachi with him lets be real lmaoo. I wanted him to offer sasuke support to BOTH tackle the injustices of the leaf. it's kinda like hiruzens passiveness with orochimaru and danzo. never holding certain loved ones accountable he was the same way with obito and even hiruzen himself. (is he even aware of hiruzen's part in the uchiha massacre or obito killing his parents?? then pardoning orochimaru?? HELLO???)

There were moments where i did see our boy shine thru, but then the god powers bullshit hit. in short, bring back my punk little man. his pure intentions were ruined by bad writing

my naruto endgame for him is not stuck at a deskjob he hates with a nuclear family he neglects and more he chooses to give up the hokage job to someone who actually can enact change and who isnt from a prestigious family. travels around helping people hands on and finally gets the peaceful life with found family he never had. advocating better for the next gen.

part one naruto, my baby boy

[depressedhatakekakashi]

I feel like I will never understand the people who think that Kakashi should have stayed dead in the Pain arc, since according to them he doesn't do anything relevant afterwards. I feel that if that had been the case, Kakashi would have had an unfinished character development. For me, people forget all the nice moments the character gave us (like, for example, him carrying Naruto), or all the characters he saved, or that he was the one who discovered how Obito's technique worked and that he was also the one who made the plan to seal Kaguya. Idk why they think he should have died there...

Without Kakashi

-Obito’s reveal would have held no weight. Like honestly the only reason we feel anything anout Obito’s reveal is because of his connection to Kakashi.

-Sasuke and Naruto would never have sealed Kaguya. The two of them were trying time and time again and it wasn’t until Kakashi entered the fight with Sussano and put into action a plan of his own that they FINALLY succeed.

- Obito would have never come back to the ‘good’ side. Naruto knocked some sense into Obito but Obito only gave up fighting at that point. It was Kakashi who brought Obito to their side in the fight.

-Sakura would have died, MULTIPLE TIMES. Heck, just from the change to the lava dimension her and Obito would have died as it was Kakashi who saved all of them.

-Obito’s heart would never have been destroyed, thus destroying Madara’s seal on it and giving Obito the freedom to break away from Madara.

- Naruto would probably have approached Danzo about sasuke and been locked away, forcing him to sit down and leaving no one to approach the Raikage about Sasuke, or forcing him to go Rogue to try and fight for Sasuke. It was Kakashi who chose to ignore rules and take Naruto to the Raikage to plead for Sasuke’s life.

-Sasuke would have killed Sakura. End point. Naruto saved her the second time, but Kakashi saved her the first time. If Kakashi was dead Naruto would have arrived to a dead Sakura.

-No one would have brought Naruto to the village and he would have passed out in the forest after his interaction with Nagato and Konan. It was Kakashi who arrived looking for him and carried him back to Konoha.

- Danzo would have been granted title of Hokage right away without struggle. Kakashi was the only one offered up as an opposing choice, and there was no one else the elder’s or even the daiymo would have seriously considered (For the daiymo connection matters, as shown by how quickly they recognized Kakashi by him being the ‘son of the White fang’

But most importabtly

That would have been an absolute shit ending. Kakashi is a character who has always been about dying to protect his precious people.

That was what he thought his worth was. Dying to protect ither’s and the village.’

Him living is what he needed.

Him living allowed him to realize he had worth as more than just a weapon, and that he was allowed to heal and be happy.

If he stayed dead in the pein arc he never would have gotten closure about Obito and Rin’s death, which would feel empty as by that point we’ve learned a bit about his past.

It’s the whole ‘gai should have died in the war’ shit all over again.

They could have died, but then they would just be feeding into the idea that they were fodder for the greater war machine with no worth other than to die for the cause

That was exactly the story kishi was trying to change

What naruto and others wanted so badly to change

Kakashi, Gai and other’s living was the purpose of the story because Naruto’s goal was to have a world where people didn’t die needless deaths.

Kakashi surving was part of Naruto achieving that goal

Putting an end to countless needless deaths.

It’s why Nagato brought the people of Konoha back. He realized that he was perpetuating what he had felt by killing others, and by placing his trust in naruto to change things for the better he chose to display that trust by being the first step and bringing those he killed back.

By ending the cycle of needless death

[awinterrosesstuff]

Hiruzen Sarutobi... or the character that confuses me the most. I don't know what to make of him. Let me explay you why.

When we're introduced to him, he's pretty old, wise and powerful. He even seens nice. He is amused by Naruto's antics. You want to sympathise with him. And honestly why not ? There are things that infuriate me during the chunin exams (the fact it even exists). Then you have his ending. It's executed very well. I did find it badass. You see his regrets, his weaknesses (with Orochimaru), his summon clearly tells him he's weak or pathetic (I can't remember the word) but he does the sacrifice. You can see it's very difficult for him, he struggles a lot. During the chunin exams, we get to see how scary Orochimaru is. Everything is made to show that Hiruzen was very powerful in his days and became weak with getting old. But still, he does his best and makes the sacrifice with the hope of a better future. Plus the fight between Gaara and Naruto does a great work as a parallel of this one.

It's actually interesting to see that even if Hiruzen can be powerful and brave, he can be very weak and a coward in so many ways. You do see it with Orochimaru, but also with how he let Danzo do whatever he wants, and how he let the villagers and everyone in Konoha treats Naruto like shit. It doesn't show him in a positive way obviously, but it makes him interesting, even human I'd say. But I have a main beef with him or the way he's written.

I think his role is never properly adressed in everything that went wrong in Konoha. Danzo and Orochimaru are treated as the villains they are. The narrative put the blame on Danzo for the Uchiha massacre - as it needed. But it kind of forgets Hiruzen in the process.

Sasuke, when he ressurects the kages with Orochimaru's help, questions him. And he's fucking right to do it. Why did the hokage let the massacre happen ? We're said that Danzo ordered the massacre and manipulated Itachi in doing it. But what about Hiruzen ? We get to learn that he wanted a diplomatic solution, but never had the occasion to find it. Is it because he didn't really bother or because Danzo didn't take his decision in consideration ? Probably a bit of both. But why did Danzo have such power in the first place ? Because Hiruzen is a coward. That's it. But the narrative doesn't really blame him, as if he's supposed to be the good "guy". We even have Minato put the blame on himself. And I was like "what ?". Minato has faults, that's not the subject. But the massacre happened because Hiruzen didn't do his job (protecting his villagers). I would have prefered if Hiruzen was clearly blamed for it. And it's actually insulting for Sasuke who is just there to be honest.

I'd like to add Hiruzen letting Danzo do everything he wanted (like having his fucking army) did cause problems to other problems. Kabuto and Sai come to mind.

I want to talk about Naruto. It's never (but really never) adressed that Hiruzen failed Naruto. The boy was ostracised because he was the host of Kurama... and what did Hiruzen do ? I'm not saying he should have adopted him... but he could have done more (like finding him a family). And the secret was obviously revealed, or no adult would know Naruto had Kurama sealed in him. Hiruzen was the one with the power there, he could have done something more. Well, what really bothers me is the fact that it's not said that Hiruzen failed to keep his promise and to protect Naruto, the jinchuriki of his village. Naruto never had the opportunity to do. He's angry against the villagers, but never the hokage. And I do find it weird. The narrative could have so easily done it. It would have even been better for Naruto's dream.

He wants to be hokage to protect his friends, and his village. That's great. But imagine if Naruto said something like "I will find ways to be better than Hiruzen. I don't want the children to be treated like they were during his time". It could have been a parallel to his resolve at the ending of Zabuza arc when he says he wants to find his nindo and be the ninja he wants (not the other way around). It's badly written, but do you get the message ?

Anyway... I do believe Hiruzen could be a great character if he wasn't praised so much in the manga. And I hope I made my opinion clear with this post.

[rainybyday]

Detroit: Become Human x Naruto

(If you have not played nor seen DBH, basically it's a free play narrative story game of a future world where androids want to be seen as humans and are fighting for those rights and you play as three characters and each character have their own story that cross with each other. Very fun game, makes me cry all the time, I love the every living shit of that game, play it.

Play it now. Right now. NOW.)

Anyways:

Connor = Rin

Markus = Obito

Kara = Kakashi

LOOK-NO NO LOOK!

ok so maybe Kakashi would be better for Connor instead of Kara but bear with me here.

The Sanabi is Amanda and Rin is subsequently trapped by the Sanabi to stay on course with her mission (which also why she killed herself (and also Connor can kill himself just like Rin :D(if you know you know))). What I'm getting at is that a lot of details do match with Rin and Connor that I find very interesting, and also I want to build Rin's character on Connor because Connor is such a dork but he is also an infant that can do a back flip twist kick. The fight scenes go crazy let me tell you. My girl Rin can do that too, I swear she can. But she also can fail, like, big time fail.

Obito needs no explanation, he's like Markus, he can be a disaster, a failure, a pyromaniac, or a peaceful rebel leader, a lover, a son/grandson who loves his parental figure very much and would do anything for them but can also accidentally kill them too. Or just a guy with a big dream, a too big of a dream. Also, Carl is his grandma if you can't guess. (And also I know how to give him his scars if he were Markus)

And Kakashi, Kakashi is going to have either have all of team 7 or just Naruto as his 'Alice'. That is going to hurt a lot, especially if I make Todd as Minato or that Kara/Kakashi has their memories erased before escaping Todd. And Zlatko, fucken Zlatko. Fuck Zlatko. OH, Tenzo can be Luther and Danzo can be Zlatko! WAIT THIS IS GETTING BETTER-WAIT!!!!

Ok I'm going to set the stage for the story, but I'm going to make it my own story, so a little stir up in the pot of the original plot might do some good.

So the idea:

It started as the world witnessed the new RK800 android, a rumored project made by CyberLife that was never shown the light of day, finally being revealed in a hostage situation with a deviant and a kidnapped child.

She - It - walked forward with her chestnut hair blowing onto her face, blocking her equally light brown eyes and youthful face from most on camera. How did they know she was youthful?

From her voice of course.

"Anko," something soft and calm and very much human sounded out her lips. "It's ok. I won't let them hurt you or Mitsuki. I promise you, it's going to be alright."

She smiled. (A practiced smile, so very plastic.)

And the cameras shut off. (And the sound was off.)

Just before a gunshot was heard. (And blue blood splattered everywhere.)

~{*}~

"Good morning Suzume!" A bright and boyish voice was the first thing that echoed in Suzume's room as sunlight started to sweep in.

"Good morning Obito," she signed in a tired sort of manner as she rubbed her eyes.

"It's 10 a.m.," Suzume heard as she made herself comfortable on her bed, half wanting to sleep again. "The weather is partly cloudy: 54 degrees, 80% humidity, and a strong possibility of afternoon showers. " Suzume sighed.

"It sounds like a good day to stay in bed," She hummed.

"I did go to pick up the paint that you ordered," was the response she was given. A flicker of surprise arose once she understood the words that were spoken.

"Oh yes, I'd forgotten," Suzume turned to the man walking her way. "That is the difference between you and me, right Obito? You never forget anything."

"Show me your arm please, Suzume," Obito interjected as the young boyish voice turned slightly serious, dark eyes looking her way.

"No!"

Disappointment filtered through those eyes. "Suzume..."

Ah darn.

With reluctance, the old woman did as she was told which earned a smile from her caretaker. "Thank you," Obito said to his mother charge.

~{*}~

"Thank you and we're good." The clerk manager checked on a documented file.

"Can I go pick it up?" The customer, a man with blond hair and dark eye bags, asked the manager.

"Yeah," the manager nodded. "Right there," he gestured towards the back. The back that which contains a white haired android that was idly looking around the store and its inhabitants. When the pair came closer the android looked in their direction.

Not a silver of recognition filtered in those eyes.

Minato's chest clenched.

"There it is." The manager smiled. "It was a bit difficult getting it back in working order. It was really messed up..." his word drifted off. "What did you say happened to it again?"

"My car hit it," Minato muttered, remorse in his eyes. "I didn't see him until it was too late."

"Oh. I see." The manager nodded in an 'oh what would you do' manner. "Anyway, it's as good as new now... Except that, we had to reset it. Meaning we had to wipe its memory. Hope you don't mind."

Minato's eyes darkened even further. "That'll be fine."

"Ok. Did you give it a name."

"Yeah..."

With a nod, the manger moved in front of the still-staring android and announced to it. "AX400, register your name."

Minato, noticing it was his turn, walked in front of the android and said with a tone of voice that could only be called fatherly said one word. "Kakashi."

Like magic, the eyes of the android gained life, its dark gray eyes blinked a couple times before its eyes curved into a smile. It lips shaping into the perfect picture of kind.

(And yet, still no recognition.)

"My name is Kakashi."

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Kakashi/Kara

Kakashi (future Hatake) [Kara] - Kakashi is an old model android that has stopped being massively produced due to a better new model being made. His model is actually one of the first made and was cheap enough for a younger Minato to buy and make self-fix-its on him. He was a child model before replacing his code with a newer adult model once Minto was "divorced" from his wife. He was Minto's child playmate and then the housekeeper transitioned to becoming Naruto's child caregiver.

Naruto Uzumaki [Alice] - Naruto ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ and is being now cared for by his father and android caregiver Kakashi.

Minato Nakage [Todd] - Minato is a rising star in the police task force as a lutinet and made a name for himself once he took down the red ice drug operation when he was 19. He met and married his wife, Kusana Uzumaki, in college and loved her dearly. They both worked at the same police station and were a well-made duo in their early years. Now, however, they have quietly separated after an accident that affected their family, forcing Minato to quit his job and live alone with Naruto and Kakashi.

Danzo Saruto [Zlatko] - No data is found of this man after his high school graduation, notably is found with no record after the death of one of his friends, Kagami Uchiha, the adopted son and apprentice of his head research professor, Tobirama Senju. Undocumented, he is a black market trafficker who is very well known and powerful in the black market trade with anyone getting in his way vanishing after a few days. No sightings of him were seen in the public eye.

Tenzo (nee Senju) [Luther] - Off-recorded, Tenzo is a kidnapped child from birth when in hospital's custody. His whole life was spent being sold and traded with other customers in the black market. His mental state is believed to be similar to that of an android, used and quiet, meant to serve when needed with no emotions and no rebellion against his current caretakers. His most notable ones are Orochimaru and Danzo, his current caretaker.

Tsunade Senju [Rose] - Tsunade was a proud medical student who took after her family in studing in the medical feild. She was renowed for her ingeniuse use of medical proceduers that helped to save many paticenes in her care. However, she disappiered after she lost a child under her leader ship (Tenzo) and was the last straw that broke her mental state after the lost of many of her family members in recent years. She is currently in custody of Shizune, her fiances neice, and lives in suclusion in the country side. (acts like Adam)

Shizune (nee Senju) [Adam] - Shizune is the neice of her uncle Dan and grew up with him as her garuidane after her parents passed. She looked up to Dan's fiances, Tsunade, and sees her as a older sister/motherly figure in her life. After her uncles death she was placed under Tsunade's care and tried to help her aunt's mental state. She is currently degreeing in mental health in hopes of (acts like Rose)

Obito/Markus

Obito (future Uchiha) [Markus] - Obito was a specialty model crafted by Tobirama Senju and gifted to Suzume. His model is one of his kind and cant be exactly replicated by anyone, even Cyber Life. He was tasked to care for Suzume and protect her from any harm. No one knows of his unique model except for Tobirama and Suzume. (Privately he had deviated a long time ago.)

Suzume Uchiha [Carl]—Suzume is an old artist who believes that she has passed her glory days but still paints when she finds inspiration. She cares for Obito like her grandson (a grandson she lost) and sees him as one of her own even if he is not made of flesh and bone. Knowing of her old age, she lets herself experience life as it should be and wish to live in peace. She is a cousin of the main Uchiha family line.

Itachi (future possible Uchiha) [Josh] - Itachi is a housekeeper model designed to help with house chores and home security. He was bought at the same time as Sasuke, a child line android that Itachi looks out for. It wasn't until the father of the family tried to destroy Sasuke that he deviated and escaped with Sasuke, but not without consequence. His blood pump mechanic was damaged and is slowly breaking as days go by, slowly killing Itachi. They both sought refuge in Jerico.

Shisui (future possible Uchiha) [Simon] - Shisui has no memory of his previous life or his owners. He woke up in the android graveyard intact and clean from grime. He stayed in the android graveyard for years, helping those who could be saved and finding missing parts for them. Once the number of people he saved increased, he left to find a place to house all his fellow deviants and is the now the founder of Jerico.

Sasuke (future possible Uchiha) [North] - Sasuske is a child model android that was bought alongside his now brother Itachi. He was bought to be a playmate of the child of the family that bought him. He was a perfect playmate but was often protecting the child from the father's rage many times. The father had anger issues that led to him becoming violent with his child when the mother was away, whom Sasuke protected. It wasn't until Sasuke was about to be destroyed that he deviated in fear for his life and escaped with Itachi from the home. Sasuke both loves and hates Itachi for this as he left his best friend behind in a home where a vengeful father lives.

Rin/Connor

Rin (last name varies) [Connor]—Rin is the new and approved Deviant Hunter, created to work harmoniously with humans and androids alike. Her functions are to capture, integrate, and cease the arrest of criminals of all kinds, even deviants.

Kushina Uzumaki (nee Nakaze) [Hank] - Kushina is a cousin to Tsunade Senju and is related to the Senju line. She is a foster child under the Senju family before moving for college to be more independent. There is where she met her future husband and best friend Minato. She pursued a degree in criminal investigation and graduated with her husband to work in the same department. However, after an incident, she left her husband and continued to work diligently (almost to death) in her work to purge criminals in Detroit.

Extras:

Tobirama Senju - Is the creator of ai androids and was the former CEO of Cyber Life. He is a genius who graduated early in college and made a name for himself as the founder of the new era with his creations. He is a brother of four and adopted a son named Kagami. He used to teach as a research professor in his old college and apprentice a selection of students he hand-picked. However, after a major accident and the death of his son, he left the company and his job to live secluded away from the city.

Madara Uchiha - Most information about this person is classified. Please contact Cyber Life for more information on identity security.

Izuna Uchiha [#########] - File not found.

Hashirama Uchiha - Hashirama is a world-famous medical surgent who was the first to find the cure for cancer its origins. He is hailed as a god in the medical field. His best friend and brothers were the reason for his success because --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------. Sadly he died before he could.

Kagami Uchiha - "Rest in peace my son."

(And that's the end! If you want to know more about some characters and their backstories, or even their relation ships with each other you can ask me and I'll probably give you the story. I had so much content on every character but I could not fit everything all together in one post so I'll just let you all decided who you want to hear more about. Like really, you can, I even forgot to add Sakura and Sai in here because of how many character stories I have. Oh and for the extra characters, yes, yes they are their own story entirely away from the main plot of the main three (Kakashi, Obito, and Rin). )

[rozaceous]

me omw to fucking strangle itachi. this mf going on and on about mariko "betraying" everybody, like URGHHHHH

lmao no one read this if you don't want spoilers for ch 20

this dude hates mariko sooooooo much, it's hysterical

it makes sense that he does tho? she fucked up ALL this guy's plans. revealed his role in the massacre, killed danzo (who was also itachi's contingency plan for making sure sasuke had a relatively safe place in leaf), betrayed the village that he did all this shit for, and is now determined to ruin his plan for suicide via fratricide. there's other stuff i bring up in the ch, too, but ultimately mariko is the biggest bug in the ointment. OF COURSE he hates her.

but itachi's pov is just--part of the reason he was so hard to write is bc he's so intelligent and insightful (a genius... 😒), but he's just absolutely shit at people. his blind spot, if you will. so bc he's so reasonable and rational, he only acknowledges the "rational" grievances he has against her, and everything is her fault for messing up the plan. it's not abt his feelings!!! lol

what's his alternative, after all? admitting that he's been wrong for years and in the most grievous of ways? tbh i don't think he can handle that kind of paradigm shift, it'd destroy him.

much easier to just hate mariko and treat her as a nuisance.

[zolusbian]

so while rewatching shippuden we have been waiting for the moment where it turns from Really Good to Really Bad, right. because it happens. and it happens as soon as madara starts pulling the moon bullshit at the 5 kage summit. up until then, everything is narratively tight, themes are being developed, and characters have arcs. naruto goes through the experience with pain and has his worldview both turned on its head and reconfirmed. nagato is an amazing villain and it forces you to think because he's right, but he's also so wrong. and naruto is right, but he's naiive, and he has to go through this. and, of course, the side characters are getting great development; hinata's bravery and sacrifice, shikamaru stepping up to take responsibility for everything, sasuke going through the shit with itachi and his struggle to press down his emotions, sai and danzo, etc.

and it doesn't need to end at the pain arc, right. like pain is a mid-level villain. and there's still narrative threads that need to be followed through, namely terrorist sasuke and danzo's undermining the leaf. and these things could still be taken care of without the utter bullshit fuckery that starts with the 5 kage arc. here is how i would rewrite it:

final villain is NOT madara but danzo. it's revealed danzo killed madara but in the slimiest way, basically cutting off his life support of hashirama cells and then killing him like a COWARD because danzo is a COWARD and he is only powerful because of systems in place.

obito can still be there, working with/being manipulated by madara and then eventually danzo. he's still a villain during the war. the war still happens. the edo tenseis still happen. the moon thing can still be there and be an excuse. again, though, danzo has effectively manipulated the uchihas in an attempt to consolidate power for himself that turns sideways.

sasuke can still kill danzo.

we can still have cool war arc moments like gai going 8 gates on madara (madara's there bceause of edo tensei)

naruto and sasuke can still have the VOTE2 fight. but there's more development of sasuke's redemption. he still goes on his journey of atonement (maybe seeking out remaining akatsuki sympathizer cells) and has the forehead touch with sakura. sakura can still join him on his journey but this time she's like, an actual person and character, and doesn't accept sasuke's urge to cut off all attachments.

naruto realizes the systemic flaws and actually DOES reform the village. he starts small, with the clans, and through that he's able to develop his relationship with hinata more deeply and profoundly. (no need for neji to die).

maybe some spin-off gaidens with naruto learning how to be a politician under tsunade and then kakashi. he's still the 7th hokage.

ninja academy still exists but now it's about upholding tradition and friendly sparring. it's a proper school up to 18 years old and becoming a ninja is optional. clans still preserve and practice their unique jutsu but also find different applications for them.

no boruto. if there is a sequel it's like, 100 years into the future, maybe after a long-lasting era of peace is disrupted. powerscaling reset. protagonist can be naruto's great-grandson or something. boruto himself lives a completely unremarkable life.

[aprito]

@marcelottie Absolutely no offense taken I love discourse <3

I mean, I get it. Like I said, I don't think Orochimaru is redeemable given the LOOOONG list of shit he had done both in the village's name and for personal gain. However, I also often see his stans excuse that by stating that he lost his parents at a young age and was molded to become the perfect soldier by his village, also ending up killing the guy who made him that way (Hiruzen). Worse, you will find that his past behavior is excused by pretending he himself is now a parent and therefore aware of his misdeeds. If that sounds familiar to you, it's because this is the excuse Kishimoto has for a lot of his villains. You could also say what Sasori did was wanting power for power's sake and just using his art as an avenue to achieve it, but you could also say Orochimaru was afraid of death and tried to recreate his own personal Sanctuary. Therefore, I don't find the motivations to be that much different tbh. Sasori is just easer to project on because we spend much less time with him and, really, the only person who feels bad for him is Chiyo. I guess I just don't find redemption necessary for him and think the way his relatively short lived appearance was resolved in a way that made sense to me (and I would feel hypocritical for holding different standard to him). Obviously, I do like the idea of a different Sasori (tm), I just apply the changes necessary much earlier in his life.

@enchantingllamathing thank you for the love <3

The thing I feel is a big issue in Naruto is how Kishi applies his logic on what is justifiable murder and what isn't. I mean, take the Akatsuki, who are universally beloved among fans and often get the found family treatment in fiction. Most of us used to believe they were victims and fought for a just cause as they had all left their villages. That is, until Konan revealed the members Obito specifically told her and Nagato to hire didn't deserve the robes they were wearing and had pretty much nothing to do with the original anti imperialist and pacifist legacy of the group. The majority of members were guns for hire and not actually devoted to Nagato's cause, at best devoted to Obito/Madara and at worst looking for reasons to murder indiscriminately. They're not victims in the eyes of Konan, and it wouldn't make sense for her to view them that way.

Then again, you had Naruto calling Obito the coolest guy ever. Kishi himself has obviously a piss poor idea of what redemption is supposed to look like, and that is why you see a lot of people on here pick and choose who they think is ontologically evil (Danzo, Hiruzen, Orochimaru, Rasa) and who they think is just misunderstood (Itachi, Sasori, Tobirama, Obito).

to conclude

[semi-imaginary-place]

naruto blogging part 5: i watched filler anime

people give konoha shit for the lack of care orphaned naruto recieved and rightfully so but like given what happens to the other orphans in this world, oh yeah naruto got pampered. the rest of the parentless children got kidnapped and tortured in human experiments for orochimaru, became disposable tools of the state like kabuto, or ended up in root aka all the above

danzo tries to assassinate hiruzen and hiruzen goes "that's ok keep doing what you're doing we need you", not to mention he knows that danzo is connected to the kidnapping and experimentation on newborns.

filler writers need to get their act together also kakashi is like 17 here (3 years post orochimaru, when tenzo was 10 now 13, 4 year old naruto) why are they still using the 11 year old's voice actor. i mean this isn't as bad as 5 year old itachi having the adult voice actor but still.

they left yukimi to wander the woods alone??? she's got no money, no family, and no protection. she's 10. it contradicts the timeline since its said in the manga that kinoe was discovered after orochimaru left the village. yeah that was one of the worst lies to tell danzo, really could have said kakashi was stronger and the whole place filled with poison gas so you decided to flee. in front of danzo having been found out to have sabotaged a mission is like the worst time to discover teenage rebellion and budding sense of individuality.

damn hiruzen's hair went from brown to white in 3 years (itachi joined at 11, kakashi is 9 years older than itachi, ~3 years older than tenzo, 14 years older than naruto).

itachi's lived off of food pills since he was 11. this is why he's short. jumping down and revealing yourselves just negates the surprise attack you could have launched. and baby sasuke got a new voice actor.

starting to think that if i lived in konoha (well i'd probably be dead lets be real, but) i'd incite a coup just to pressure hiruzen into fixing uchiha relations instead of his staunch policy of doing nothing and ignoring problems hoping they go away on their own, hey maybe i'd even get some representative government out of this instead of the military dictatorship konoha currently has.

hmm in the anime it was danzo alone that gave itachi the order to kill all the uchiha while in the manga it was all the council that participated in the discussion and then outvoted hiruzen. i like the manga better it gives more weight if it wasn't just danzo but also the hokage that gave the order, like itachi was under so much more pressure in the manga.

one of the contrasts between danzo and hiruzen was that danzo viewed the uchiha as an enemy to do damage control against. hiruzen saw the uchiha as part of konoha and believed that even if he sat on his ass and did nothing about the escalating tensions and imminent coup it'd all work out in the end on its own no need for him to life a finger.

post uchiha massacre hiruzen "danzo, im stripping you of power and dissolving root and your anbu" and then hiruzen didn't really do anything to stop danzo given how in shippuden danzo's still commanding root and messing with politics

hmm kakashi was about 23 when he started being given genin teams. he sent teams back to the academy over the next 3 years. kakshi's been depressed since he was like 6 and it ended up being team 7 that brought him out of that.

anime kakashi's genin teams probably could have been taught teamwork like i think their teamwork could have been salvageable, but he wanted them to be able to figure it out themselves. he let his own trauma color his perception too much. he's a failure of a teacher i thought this too with team 7 like minus the tree climbing kakashi didn't team them how to be a ninja he just expected them all to figure it out themselves and he's just lucky that naruto and sasuke thrive in that environment and that all 3 of them are pretty smart. like he didn't try to cultivate sakura's genjutsu talent or teach naruto anything.

hiruzen: i put sakura on team 7 so that the boys could compete over a gir. sasuke: proceeds to ignore sakuras existence. naruto: proceeds to become obsessed over sasuke. to have faith things will work and and wait for it, hiruzen that's how the uchiha massacre happened.

3rd ninja war really was the pits huh kakashi graduated academy at 5 and made chunin at 6 imagine taking orders from a 6 year old. and then jounin at 12 konoha was really shoving kids through the system as fast as possible. obito and rin were 9 and 11. hmm wiki says obito rin and kakashi were academy classmates but if they graduated the same year then there should be an age difference. yet their gaiden ages are 12-13 and kakashi and obito are the same age in shippuden. i guess they started the academy at around the same age. kakashi graduated early and we dont know what happened to him until 3-4 years later when rin and obito made genin. but kakashi would have already been chuunin so why put him on a new genin team? eh let's be real the real answer is that kishimoto didn't think the timeline through. he just wanted a kid genius character too look impressive. kakashi made a lot of progress as a kid and then flatlined as an adult. and team minato was really dysfunctional and a bunch of 12 year olds and they got sent to the frontlines on a critical sabotage mission. wow konoha is desperate.

i feel so bad for tenten. kishimoto did her dirty. girl with 10 million weapons is a great character concept. imagine if she learned to use 8 swords at once like B or if she could telepathically control weapons and have like 5 swords fly at people or if she added an elemental release like lightning to her weapons to make them unblockable. and kishimoto does nothing with her.

shippuden 455 was really good and then 456 is just bad. like they took down the mizukage but didn't take him along to get extracted and tobi wasnt there to genjutsu him

[lenkagamine133]

Okay okay, I'm high and stuck on this Naruto bullshit real quick.

We all know Sasuke is a bitch, but fuck the 3rd, he a bitch to.

You mean to tell me Sasuke's entire family gets killed and the village sees him as a baby uwu but Naruto's parents, one of which was the hokage, sacrifice themselves and seal the demon into a fresh Naruto and saves the entire village is lied to and treated like shit for reasons he doesn't understand because they are lying to him!?!?

Fuck that old man, he could have done so much better and right by that kid.

Yes, Itachi threatened them but damn, the kids dad was literally the leader of the village.

I get it for the story and ect but that's some lame as shit. Might as well have made Sasuke the main character and him want to become hokage so there's no repeat of his family (big reveal that's literally in the first episode be some bullshit like he finds out about Danzo?) and Naruto wants revenge for being treated like shit. (Orochimaru wants him cause of the 9 tail and promises to train him on how to control it?)

Actually if someone has a good fanfic suggestion of that or something similar, lmk?

But yea, fuck the 3rd. Your death was only significant because it leads to the introduction of Tsunade.

[theheirofthesharingan]

Itachi haters being super confident in their anger, but being so outrageously wrong is so comical that I just can't. I'm blocked by this person too, so I'll be using the excerpts from your response. Hopefully you won't mind.

"This guy willingly betrayed his own people and family, selling them out to the government who wanted to destroy them all."

Uchiha clan was a victim of Konoha, but by no means innocent. Konoha did not want to "destroy" Uchiha. Textually, there's no evidence that Uchiha were even discriminated. Obito says they were, but manga doesn't even support that claim. But let's just suppose they were, they (read: their leaders) created their own troubles. Itachi had no business being in Anbu and spying for either side. But while his haters will scream on top of their lungs to tell us that Konoha sucks, they want to simp for the clan so bad that them using a literal child for their political gains doesn't look bad to them.

He knew about Obito and that he was behind the 9-Tails attack but said nothing to anyone. He discriminated against his own people and slaughtered them all to the last child.

Danzo knew that too. Danzo and Obito were most likely working together. Itachi didn't know the man going by the name was not Madara. No way Konoha had an army or any kind of resources to counter Madara. He would only have invited more trouble by revealing Madara was spying on them.

When Uchiha planned the coup, they didn't care about the children either. Fugaku didn't care about his own child either. Uchiha clan's massacre was Danzo, Fugaku, Hiruzen's fault with Madara and Tobirama being the founding members of this tragedy. Leave Itachi alone.

He cast Tsukuyomi on his own parents and brutally murdered them, tortured his own little brother beyond imagine with one torture session putting Sasuke in a fucking coma, one he would've never gotten out of if it wasn't for that bitch Tsunade and that's the only good Tsunade did in the series."

This is the IQ of an Itachi hater? When did he cast Tsukuyomi on his parents? Sasuke would have gotten out of his coma, just like Tsunade did too. Tsunade provided a quick healing. That's all.

"Itachi thought he was wiser and more noble than his own people, which was pure and utter arrogance. When brought back as an edo, he said that a 7-year-old Sasuke could've changed the clan.

When does he say he's better than others? When does he act like that? Proof? He's being constantly harassed by the adults of his clan, used by his parents, and has his best friend committing suicide before him. You want him to be sweet and kind? Dude, what?

He called himself Itachi Uchiha of Konoha and that he specifically had no regrets he was a massive piece of shit in life and death."

He also says "Konoha has its darkness and flaws" paraphrasing it, but that doesn't help you with your hate, does it?

When does he say he has no regret? He's constantly telling Sasuke he regrets his decisions. Oh wait. You're talking about the mistranslations? That's what that it. A freaking mistranslation. It's no one's fault that you believe a mistranslated phrase to the actual words used in the original language.

None of his plans make any kind of fucking sense. He wanted to save Konoha from war even though the other villages wouldn't have attacked for their own reasons.

How do you know other villages wouldn't have invaded? How is this person ignoring that Obito was working as well (by his own admission) for war and that he'd done it already with the nine tails attack.

So Itachi saved Konoha from zero potential wars, especially when none of the other villages attacked after Obito's, Orochimaru's, and Pain's assaults in the series.

The reason Konoha wasn't targeted after the kyuubi attack was because it was after a year of ending the war. The reason Konoha wasn't invaded after Orochimaru's attack was because they weren't destabilised enough and also had Suna as an ally. The reason they weren't attacked after Pain's assault was because Konoha had defeated the Akatsuki leader, Sasuke was an international criminal and joined the Akatsuki, and Obito had declared war. They all essentially came together to defeat their common enemies. Why would they waste time killing each other?

He practically sent Sasuke gift wrapped to Orochimaru or Danzo. He knew about Obito and Pain's plans and yet did nothing about them, which just screwed over Konoha immensely.

Did he? Sasuke was in Konoha surrounded by people who cared about him. Sasuke leaves because he's attacked by Sound Four. Itachi's job in the Akatsuki is not to send messages to Konoha. It was to keep an eye on the organization so they don't attack Konoha. While he took care of that, he ensured Naruto was strong enough, so if the village was ever attacked, Naruto wouldn't be in a vulnerable position. There is no evidence that he was supposed to pass any kind of information back to Konoha.

He was never a prodigy or anything, unlike Sasuke. His fights are just him using genjutsu on his opponents and overpowering them with it, which just childish and stupid. He pulled Susanoo, Mirror Yata, and the Tsoka Blade out of his ass

Except Koshimoto is REPEATEDLY telling us he's a prodigy. Everyone at the Academy keeps telling us Itachi was something else altogether. The biggest reason of Sasuke's insecurity is that he's always compared to Itachi and he's never good enough. But his fans want to argue with what's written in the original text?

This fucker is all over the place and doesn't make sense. Dushman-e-jaan has posts that go into greater detail about how this guy doesn't make sense, and I recommend you read them as she does an infinitely better job at explaining my dislike for Itachi than I have."

Imagine simping for a bully who loves to harass people and offer unsolicited criticism just because you have an access to the internet.

I dislike Tobirama, but never thought I'd be using this for an Uchiha fanatic. LMAO.

Your opinion? https://www.tumblr.com/dranosh-haran-of-paleoworld/766237407554273280/why-do-you-hate-itachi-so-much?source=share

Had to use a different browser because this pleasant person has me blocked lol anyway.

TL;DR: Itachi had no right to do the things he did, but he also had no choice. Even if adult onlookers could come up with choices, he was a child trapped in a mindset his authority figures hammered into him in his formative years, and then he was put under additional duress. Come the fuck on.

"This guy willingly betrayed his own people and family, selling them out to the government who wanted to destroy them all."

"Willingly" when talking about a 11-12-year-old brainwashed, groomed, traumatized child under duress is kinda wild. Yes, Naruto is all about normalizing child soldiers, but there's a line and that's Itachi having his horrible "milestones" at an age where others are still in school.

And it's not treason to report a conspiracy to commit, well, treason.

More after the break. Enjoy this screencap of a literal child and one of the many adults who chose to fail him.

Itachi was 11 when he joined the ANBU, 12 when he killed the clan. His incompetent piece of shit father dragged him into a "kill or be killed" situation at 4, and he already had the muscle memory of slitting throats ON REFLEX?? What the everloving fuck did Fugaku do to his toddler? He was encouraged to leave school and enter the field for more death and horror at 8. All for the alleged greater good that was peddled to children and adults more aggressively than America's magical sky cloth. Fugaku and Danzo played a grooming tug-o-war with a literal prepub child and actively, deliberately, had him believe the weight of the world rested on his 3 inch shoulders. The fuck did anyone think was gonna happen when Itachi joined the ANBU everyone encouraged him to join, and did the work he was taught to admire - BY Fugaku, by the way. Fugaku wanted a peacemaker, then tried to start a war. Hm.

Also, Itachi didn't "sell out" his clan. If I know a family member is about to start something with predictably catastrophic ramifications, like, you know, a glorified terrorist invasion ("coup"), I have a moral obligation to report that. "Family" does not matter. Blood, water, starting a war is something you deserve to have sabotaged. And if you're willing to kill, you better be ready to be killed. Everyone who cheered for the coup willingly risked death and willingly doomed their families. "Bloodless revolution" my ass, that is delusional. As if Konoha is just gonna accept Fugaku after a COUP!? Fucking TREASON!? Oppressed or not, you sow violence, you reap violence, and public perception matters. The public's perception of the Uchiha coup would probably be *checks notes* treason :)

"His own people"? They all treated him like a trophy and an attack dog when they didn't outright abuse him for speaking his mind, when he was clearly old enough to let them exploit him. All they had for him was demands to make them proud and bring them glory, at the cost of his well-being. Chapter by chapter in Itachi Shinden, you can watch him wither and crumble. When Itachi's comrade was killed when he was 8, Fugaku literally said "He'll get over it" while his boy was falling apart in the next room. Those are not "his own people", they're one big, bubbling cunt stew with very few exceptions, judging by the novel.

Whether the government wanted to destroy the Uchiha clan or whether it was racist or oppressive ultimately doesn't matter when the active threat to world peace and countless lives is coming from the other side. Two things can be true at the same time, so yeah Konoha sucked, but also yeah, the Uchiha posed a threat. The clan's lives weren't in danger when they decided to endanger everyone over discrimination that isn't even as egregious as what fat people on airplanes have to deal with. Defunding the police (LMAO), not letting a latent traitor run for president, surveillance, and a dedicated, OPEN compound none of the other clans who got one bitched about. Wow, what a compelling reason to set the world on fire!

Yes, Konoha failed the clan, yes, Konoha is scum for that. But two wrongs don't make a right. I'm tired of this whole nonsense of "they're oppressed so they're allowed to act like total barbarians and be the next oppressor". I'm tired on a personal level which you can probably guess.

This is not a responsible adult:

"He knew about Obito and that he was behind the 9-Tails attack but said nothing to anyone. He discriminated against his own people and slaughtered them all to the last child."

He should definitely have reported Obito. But calling his actions against the clan discrimination is like saying the German police discriminates against that Berlin-based crime family because it happens to be a BIPOC minority. THEY ALSO HAPPEN TO BE THE FUCKING MOB. Of course, most Uchihas probably weren't active combatants and didn't deserve to die, but as horrible as it is, strategically, Danzo had a point when he said there could be no potential avengers.

Plus, outsiders like to focus on numbers as if more dead people means more suffering, but this isn't true. Just because 99 people suffer and die with me, doesn't mean each of us suffers and dies 100-fold. Sasuke was based when he said Itachi should have killed him, too. Outsiders don't want to accept this because it IS horrible, but sparing a young child after killing his whole family, is not kind. What would've awaited any children Itachi spared? The village that ordered their parents' slaughter? A world that clearly doesn't want them and will come after them at the first chance? Yeah sounds ever so fucking merciful. Just because unaffected gawkers think preserving a unique cultural or genetic group is the most important thing, doesn't mean the people actually affected have such priorities when literally staring death or a life of pain in the face.

"He cast Tsukuyomi on his own parents and brutally murdered them, tortured his own little brother beyond imagine with one torture session putting Sasuke in a fucking coma, one he would've never gotten out of if it wasn't for that bitch Tsunade and that's the only good Tsunade did in the series."

When did he cast Tsukuyomi on his parents? And "brutally", well, they surrendered and he cut them down rather quickly. All murders are brutal. Should he have raided the local vet and injected them with anaesthetics first? He was a 12-year-old child, crying, shaking, probably exhausted and barely coherent after having killed all the others, and looking at his final victims, his parents, comforting him. Striking them down quickly was the best for everyone involved at that point, anything more elaborate, "more gentle", would have prolonged this horror. Also what did Tsunade do wrong, and if Itachi hadn't knocked Sasuke out for a while, he would have gotten himself killed. The Tsukuyomi was overkill, 100%.

"Itachi thought he was wiser and more noble than his own people, which was pure and utter arrogance. When brought back as an edo, he said that a 7-year-old Sasuke could've changed the clan. He called himself Itachi Uchiha of Konoha and that he specifically had no regrets he was a massive piece of shit in life and death."

This is called interpretation. Yes, he was an arrogant child, he admitted this, Shisui told him, adults told him. But being an ass at the dawn of puberty doesn't invalidate the fact that he WAS smarter than most and the Uchiha uprising WAS a problem, and the clan was infinitely more arrogant than him for thinking they could just take power and that's the end of it. They were delusional. Being 11 when pointing this out doesn't mean he's wrong.

Vilifying him for calling himself "Itachi Uchiha of Konoha" is silly. Many nations will do horrible things behind the scenes to keep the peace, and just because Sasuke and Itachi were the tragic and ever so pretty victims of this, doesn't make Konoha worse than others. It is a place people actually live in. A place people call home and have a right to call home and feel safe and thrive in. Itachi did what he was forced to do by both sides, to protect people's home and peace, not to get headpats from Danzo and Hiruzen.

He also never said he didn't regret the massacre. The fact that he said he wished he would have confided in Sasuke, the fact of him telling Naruto, Sasuke, and Kabuto that he was wrong to try and solve everything on his own, all suggest he wishes it had been different. His words when he dissolves are "Mou miren ha nai", which can be interpreted as regretting nothing, but this is usually meant in a sense of unfinished business. Itachi could not un-kill the clan. Danzo was dead. What more could he do that he could still have "miren" about? Personally, I think he shouldn't have undone the whole Edo Tensei because he kinda owed Sasuke to stick around and fight the other Edo Tenseis manually, but that's not the point.

Actual footage of Itachi alone with his thoughts, probably:

"None of his plans make any kind of fucking sense. He wanted to save Konoha from war even though the other villages wouldn't have attacked for their own reasons."

Kindly look at Syria, Sudan, or Yemen, because the civil war the Uchiha were sure to start, would have been bad enough, you absolute pinecone. But I agree, Itachi's plans were mostly shit, but who taught him any kind of life skills or coping mechanisms? He wasn't parented, he wasn't guided, he was a trained attack dog. He never grew up mentally because when you're not allowed to feel like a child, know what being a child is, how are you gonna know when you're supposed to be all grown up and smart? He treated his suicide by Sasuke like a playdate. He toyed with him. He was a typical old soul, trauma and paralysis masquerading as maturity and composure. It's very apparent in the novels how helpless and small he felt. When the FUCK did he get a chance to unlearn his helplessness on one hand, and the world resting on his shoulders on the other? Itachi was deranged, but not by his own doing. A 4 to 12-year-old child is not responsible for their poor life "choices".

"So Itachi saved Konoha from zero potential wars, especially when none of the other villages attacked after Obito's, Orochimaru's, and Pain's assaults in the series."

I wasn't aware Itachi's Sharingan could accurately predict the future. He stopped the civil war that was certain to happen and that he could stop. Not a single ninja has ever been expected to fix the whole world and the few who expected it of themselves were even more deranged than Itachi. Why hold a 12-year-old to a higher standard just because he's foolish enough to do so himself? Right until Shisui died, Itachi clung to his naive dream of becoming the greatest ninja to stop all wars. And then, both Fugaku and Danzo demanded he be that, when Shisui's death just had him realize how helpless he is. And then, there was a war looming on the horizon that he COULD prevent.

"He practically sent Sasuke gift wrapped to Orochimaru or Danzo. He knew about Obito and Pain's plans and yet did nothing about them, which just screwed over Konoha immensely."

Yeah he fucked up with Orochimaru, and this was one of the things he could have predicted after Orochimaru tried it with him. Not killing Orochimaru when he had both cause and opportunity, was bafflingly stupid and I'll chalk it up to plot armour since Itachi will kill his own mother to protect Sasuke.

He was also a useless spy in Akatsuki, yes. He aided and abetted in several Kage and Jinchuuriki assassinations, all to keep a cover of questionable use.

We do have to grant him that he needed to stay alive to give Sasuke deserved closure. He didn't even know Obito wasn't Madara, so I don't expect him to have known much about Pain's abilities. Given he allegedly ties with Jiraiya and we all know what Pain did to him, Sasuke would not have gotten his revenge. As for Danzo, can we not underestimate him please? He had to be worn down into self-destruction by Sasuke, and when Itachi attacked him in the novel after getting the MS, he was immediately stopped.

"He was never a prodigy or anything, unlike Sasuke. His fights are just him using genjutsu on his opponents and overpowering them with it, which just childish and stupid. He pulled Susanoo, Mirror Yata, and the Tsoka Blade out of his ass."

I agree Susano'o and its rigs were asspull done to compete with DBZ ratings, but how was he not a prodigy when he was recommended for graduation at 8? Poor writing or not, the canon fact is that Itachi was way ahead of his peers and many adults. We can't blame a character's personality in one moment, then bad writing the next. All writing boils down to creating the character's reality and all facts written by the author are equally valid.

Calling genjutsu childish and stupid is silly as you can apply this to all jutsu. Naruto's army of clones is arguably more ridiculous than mastering an otherwise underdiscussed technique at a level that has people like Kakashi scared. Personally, I think the big noisy techniques like Kisame's water jutsus and Hashirama's Slaparama are a lot more childish and geared towards hollering little boys. Itachi's fighting style is elegant and super duper gay.

"This fucker is all over the place and doesn't make sense. Dushman-e-jaan has posts that go into greater detail about how this guy doesn't make sense, and I recommend you read them as she does an infinitely better job at explaining my dislike for Itachi than I have."

Dushman explicitly supports this:

But thinks Konoha is worse for allegedly being this:

In other words, Doucheman is fine with making 0 sense whatsoever as long as they can virtue-signal for fascists if they know how to sell the underdog act.

[depressedhatakekakashi]

Obsessed woth the idea of Hokage Kakashi sitting at the Kage summit when Sasuke barges in looking for Danzo, and when every other Kage gets up ready to fight he just sits there (where danzo ran like a coward XD) and asks Sasuke why he wants Danzo

And like

Just

Someone actually actively asking Sasuke why he is going down this path and what he wants with Danzo, and listening

Sasuke getting to reveal the truth about the massacure, and Kakashi hearing it from someone he actually trusts a little but still needing to know more

And his solution to the issue of needing more info is getting Danzo out of hiding to face Sasuke and asking all about the massacure while Sasuke stands there ready to kill danzo

And he does! He still gets to kill Danzo, because even though Kakashi would want to keep danzo alive to face justice Danzo isn’t going to accept that. He’s going to fight back, and that’s part of why Kakashi has sasuke there

They both get answers, and when Danzo decides to attack them Sasuke gets to attack back and achieve his revenge

The next step is dealing with the elders, abd Kakashi’s certain that will be easier. The two haven’t fought in years.

After that, Kakashi has some shit to fix to actually try and fix the system that murdered sasuke’s clan.

[torivikachu]

so I've been thinking (that already sounds terrifying lol) about Uchiha clan lately and I just can not understand why there was no closure for that matter. I mean, there are so many wrong things with that.

so, first of all - Sasuke wanted to restore his clan right? I am pretty sure the main obstacle is his orientation - he is gay. really. manga is full of his gay vibes - it can't be just me - he is more inclined to tolerate men's physical proximity more then women... but he is still a closed off guy who would have problems opening up to any sort of partner - which is honestly not required to impregnant a woman, and if he wanted to, he'd pull his shit together and go through it. which he did. once. I do think he tried it with Sakura but it failed, so he fled the village asap xD so I'd say he has affection towards her, it is just not sexual. her obviously is but-

and so he doesn't have an army of red-eyed babies. I think he just doesn't want to take the responsibility of restoring a cursed clan anymore, but then again there is Sarada, who is eager to become a proud Uchiha and all. so that ship is sorta sailed already...

but then comes an issue of Uchiha history. on one hand - he probably doesn't want to aggravate villagers and world further by revealing more then they already know - I mean just imagine living an average life, you probably heard smth about all Uchihas being killed by a crazy 13 yo some years ago but you had finals that year at school and never paid attention and then there is war and news say Uchiha Madara started it and you are like wtf Uchiha? I think I had an Uchiha in my class but- OH THAT UCHIHA MADARA and then you wake up from tsukuyomi where you were beating living shit out of your ex boyfriend for cheating on you and the new hokage gathers everybody and says "hi I am Kakashi and here is S-rank genin criminal Sasuke he wants to tell you smth" and then you listen to the tragic story of Uchiha clan and learn things about carving your brothers eyes out and shit and I think you got the point. people would freak out.

and since Sarada has to live in the village that might be wiser to alter story a bit or leave the worst out, but do people really have such a short memory? like forth great ninja war started by Uchihas ended and they just forgot Uchihas ever existed and caused so many deaths? don't think so. I do believe that villagers would not appreciate Uchihas anymore after what happened, so revealing the true story and true motives behind the Uchiha massacre, Obito being manipulated and Madara just being an ass (and having reasons for that tbh), and not sweeping things under the rug as it was done previously should've taken place! that's what they fought for right? Naruto promised Sasuke he'll change the system and 15 years later Sasuke says - I am ready to die for the Leaf - but I don't understand it. not if it stayed a mystery.

and that leads to the matter of Sarada not knowing jack shit about Uchihas. I mean only thing she knows is that suriken throwing is a thing for Uchihas - I think Sakura told her that. she could pick that up being in one team with Sasuke after all, and she is smart. but they both with Sasuke decided to ignore the issue of sharingan, and Sarada does not know that it appears not from training, but from fucking emotinal suffering, and nobody wants to tell her that! and no book says that - she already roamed the library.

so I don't understand adult Sasuke at all. I never really understood him before that untill lately aswell so mb that's just me being slow, but I do believe that has to do with some error in character development.

although I must say I like the fact that Sai apparently is working on Root cases. I want to believe that they investigate Danzo's and councils crimes and try to make it better and just decided not to show it in Boruto to not make the show to complicated with politics to make it easier for kids - but honestly though, kids these days are smart, so-

and I didn't fail to notice Naruto doesn't have a council ... 😈

[crescentmoonrider]

it’s been..... 3 years......... oops ?

for the luckily unaware, i first posted about this AU back in 2019 for the kakaobi week, said “someone remind me to make a post with like, more details about this AU” and then promptly forgot about it

anyway uh, Root AU !

basically, Obito is found by Root, Orochimaru is brought in to experiment on his body with some HashiraDNA™ (it’s not like Obito would survive otherwise, so no consequences if things turn out badly Again) and surprisingly the graft takes

so now Danzo has a new tool, Orochimaru has a long-term pet project and some reassurance that his HashiraDNA™ experiments could work, and Obito is Going Through It

his new body is super fucked up. not only is he now a weird amalgamation of cells that only fit together thanks to seals engraved inside his skin (? or whatever the equivalent of skin is for half-tree-half-man limbs), but the rest of his body is Also covered in seals to guarantee obedience, silence, not bringing harm to Root or Danzo, not revealing his original identity, not killing himself... but also some of them are responsible for keeping him alive, so it’s a mixed bag

his new name is Kinoko, in katakana. because i thought it was funny to call him mushroom and/or tree child, even though it doesn’t fit the pattern of Root names. also it’s just fucked up enough that Orochimaru would like it i think, so we’ll just say he’s the one who chose that name

so that’s the origins of Kinoko

because his old self has been buried by Root training, seals, and trauma, his feelings relative to Kakashi and Rin are pretty different from canon, in that while he witnessed Rin’s death through the shared sharingan connection with Kakashi (which led to the discovery of said connection and the implementation of some news seals inside Obito/Kinoko’s eye socket to make sure nothing from his side goes to Kakashi) and it awakened his mangekyou, he doesn’t keep a grudge. Rin’s death becomes just one more fucked up Root thing in his mind

unlike Kinoe, whose mastery of mokuton is used to great avail with complex buildings and structures, Kinoko’s version of it is incomplete and entirely tied to his body. on the one hand, this limits his range a lot, but on the other he doesn’t require hand signs and thus can launch very efficient surprise attacks

by the time Team 7 is established, Kinoko is assigned to watch over them and make sure nothing goes wrong with either the 9 Tails or the last living Uchiha who isn’t an abomination of nature

while he cannot reveal his identity, nothing in his programming forbids him from being accidentally spotted by Kakashi, which accidentally happens. accidentally

yeah Kinoko is kinda tired of Danzo’s shit, turns out, and would very much like some freedom

[captnjacksparrow]

I just saw a post making fun of the fact Sasuke’s never had another kiss besides Naruto, but then someone else replied (this is just paraphrasing cause I don’t want to repeat the entire thing. Just go into the anti Orochimaru tag and you’ll find the post I’m talking about) “anything could’ve happened with Orochimaru…”

Okay, if I got put in a room with them, and Danzo Shimura, and I had a GUN, AND THE GUN HAD THREE BULLETS-

LOL. Unpopular Answer... Please ignore me if you don't want to.

Am not all saying that Sasuke was being abused in that way... Nor did I ever felt like that on my first and second watches.

But Don't you want to blame the Real mastermind behind that view being passed onto the readers???

Yeah, I am talking about Kishimoto here.

Let me tell you something... Sasuke always always always (and he still does) made me uncomfortable during that time when he was parading around several different places with that Shit costume.

Yeah, I hated it vehemently and it creeped me out for no fucking reason. My reasoning was, Either cover your Body or Go full-on exposing it... What the fuck is that useless shirt anyway???

Whenever he appears on screen, I feel like yelling "Just Go away... Why are you appearing at all??".

My face would always be like how Naruto is here.... A Complete Disgust in a funny way.

Believe me, Sasuke is the only male character with whom I felt like this... And sole the reason being his costume. Creeeeep!!!!

Atleast, this was how I felt until I decided to read Manga.

Oh Man!!!!

This poster made my skin crawling for very obvious reason... Was this poster even necessary??? Is it relevant to plot in any way???

Because Orochimaru was standing from behind, crawling his tongue over Sasuke, touching his chest and Sasuke was wearing that Hoe costume and on top of that he was letting Oro to do whatever the fuck he wants, all the while Sasuke was closing his eyes. Ewwwww!!!!

And now compare Sasuke and Oro's poster with this following poster which portrays another Master and Student pair in a much more cute and pleasant way...

Can you be honest and tell me Oro & Sasuke’s poster doesn't give you the vibe of what that Reddit commenter said??? "Anything could've happened with Orochimaru"

Of Course, the creep factor reached a new height and it became unbearable because Oro was shouting, "Sasuke-kun, Give me your Body!!!". Because of the Homoerotic factor.

It’s also not helping that Anime did many damage from their side by making Sasuke naked... And we see Snakes entangle his body... Eeeekkkkk🤢🤢

Aand insert that scene where Naruto goes feral when Oro said "My Sasuke-kun"... LOL.

What gives????

I know chronologically this scene happened much before Sasuke's face reveal... But I find this just hilarious.

And I've seen even some old Narutoforum joke (goes way back to 2012) which says Sasuke sold his virginity to Orochimaru in order to get Moaaarrr Power🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ and there are so many jokes like this.

Again, I am telling you... I don't think Oro is a pedophile neither Sasuke let him abuse in that way... But you can't deny the vibe that poster emits... I do agree that Oro is an Abuser who has no concern for Human values. He simply acquires any body that deems to serve his Experimentation purpose... Be it a child or grown man or woman. 

So, I think people are making that kind of ugly comments because the Art they saw in the manga forced them to. The Author could've simply drawn them in a much more different way but for some God-Only-Knows-For-Whatever reason... He chose to draw in that way... 

Yeah, I’ve said many times to not blame the Author if you hate something he has written... But my point was for the things where the Author has a reason as to why he did what he did. For Example, Sakura’s characterization. But this Oro and Sasuke shit has no fucking reason and it didn’t lead anywhere... 

Probably, you should shoot Kishimoto, Anon.