#ancient vs modern

[kurofai-olympics]

KuroFai Olympics - Ancient vs Modern

Signups for the KuroFai Olympics 2024 - Ancient vs Modern are now open!

Signups will be open until 31st May 2024 with teams and prompts announced on the 3rd June.

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[squeeb-art]

Art fill for 2024 @kurofai-olympics, theme "Ancient vs Modern," prompt "Black Mulberry - I shall not survive you." I shared extensive thoughts about my process in the Ao3 post if you're interested.

[pile0fbones]

My piece for the KuroFai Olympics 2024, Ancient vs Modern.

Lady Slipper - Capricious Beauty. Win Me and Wear Me

[sartieparty]

MARINA: THE ERAS

[completeoveranalysis]

HELLO would you like to read some FIC?

Do you crave some fresh new Kurofai stories to get you through the season? 

Did you watch the recent Olympics and think to yourself, “Well that was fine but it could use a lot more fictional gay characters falling in love with each other in it?”

Well you’re in luck! The Kurofai Olympics is happening right now. 

Best of all, if you ever find yourself writing a comment on AO3 and going, “Gee, I sure wish I could also submit my thoughts via voting on various categories on a Google Docs,” well, they have that too! You can vote on each fic you read and help them choose the overall winning team of the year.

The official blog is here, but here is my personal little list of convenient links too:

Team Ancient

Asphodel (My Regrets Follow You To The Grave)

Asphodel - by The_Storybooker

Hemlock (You Will Be My Death)

Gods, Ascended - by godtiercomplex

Lady’s Slipper (Capricious Beauty. Win Me and Wear Me)

Your Heart Is My Sky - by cloverfield

Milkvetch (Your Presence Softens My Pains)

The Quiet After You - by yououui

Mulberry Tree (I Shall Not Survive You)

Like the Stars Miss the Sun in the Morning Sky - by tsubasafan

Pine, Spruce (Hope in Adversity)

Footprints on the Sands of Time - by aminiatureworld

European Sweetbrier (I Wound To Heal)

Ibara-ōji - by eternalsong

Tansy (I Declare War Against You) 

The Mountain Calls - by anduefex

Maiden’s Blush Rose (If You Love Me, You Will Find It Out)

The Knight, the Spirit and the Bridge - by saltedmoon

Team Modern

Asphodel (My Regrets Follow You To The Grave)

Home For Wayward Souls - by Uakari

Hemlock (You Will Be My Death)

Rule#34 - by xFourLeafCloverx

Lady’s Slipper (Capricious Beauty. Win Me and Wear Me)

For Want of a Hair Pin - by humancorn

Milkvetch (Your Presence Softens My Pains)

To Wilt or Bloom - NinjaCupcake

Mulberry Tree (I Shall Not Survive You)

Price for Life - ItheGodot

Pine, Spruce (Hope in Adversity)

Love Letters to Lost Limbs - VenusInRetrograde

European Sweetbrier (I Wound To Heal)

Spring, Anew - by PillarofAutumn117

Tansy (I Declare War Against You) 

Modern Warfare - by kuroganeattacksquad

Maiden’s Blush Rose (If You Love Me, You Will Find It Out)

Petal by Petal - by EdenAziraphale

Team Art

Asphodel (My Regrets Follow You To The Grave)

Asphodel - by boxdev

Hemlock (You Will Be My Death)

Hemlock - by ottostoast

Lady’s Slipper (Capricious Beauty. Win Me and Wear Me)

Capricious Beauty - by Pile0fBones

Mulberry Tree (I Shall Not Survive You)

Black Mulberry - by Squeeb100

Pine, Spruce (Hope in Adversity)

Pine, Spruce - by ConstellationMemories

European Sweetbrier (I Wound To Heal)

Of Martyrs and Heroes - by Chiru

And remember, it’s all for fun!

[katerinaaqu]

May I ask what's wrong with changing modern adaptations of ancient stories to fit the morality of today? The way I see it, it's hard to connect with the characters portrayed when every second one is a rapist of some kind.

Stories adhering as much as they can will never be as popular or appreciated as ones modified to be engaging to the audience they have now.

Stories are meant to entertain, and the audience they were originally made for is dead. What the audience finds entertaining changes in decades. Does it not make sense to adapt them to that?

You answered your question yourself. By placing modern day morality and fitting it to ancient stories we just twist the original stories and their meaning and we create a false idea of the past to make it sound as if that place was consisted of people who were terrible they had no Morals at all and nowadays we are the great moral people that know what's up.

You said it yourself: "when every second one was a rapist of some kind". That is just false assumption on both the characters and the past. In fact rape was severely punished. Even in the Epic Cycle when Locrian Ajax raped Cassandra the soldiers were trying to stone him to death and he had to take refuge to a sanctuary. Him being a noble didn't matter before such an immoral act. Rape was not casual as "modern morality readings" think. There is a big risk of misunderstanding when we project our morality in ancient stories which were not always THAT far away from us at some things.

At another case I have heard people speak of "gay ancient greece" when the concept of "gay" didn't even exist and not only that homosexiality had a much more complicated meaning in antiquity than we think now and no it was not a bunch of people kissing their partners in public as many people do in 21st century. Again there is a danger to misunderstand stuff and they do get misunderstood

Modern day morality changes by experience of mine never realize the harm they do to the narrative and character development (for example Odysseus giving out his name to Polyphemus has nothing to do with modern narrative saying "oh he was stupid" there is an entire analysis behind it which just harms the character and his development by bluntly say that without taking the background in consideration)

Changing stuff to ellegedly "fit modern narrative" is inheritently dangerous because it contains personal biases on what morality is in the first place and it is harmful often because these stories are far from just entertainment; they are witness of the past and a past culture and by changing them according to the bias of one person on modern morality consequently leads to the misinterpretation of the past. And in the end of the day ancient stories are still entertaining today. Look at the festivals in Greece where we play ancient theater as it was written. We have only changed the concept of the full face mask. So allow me to disagree and say the ancient stories still entertain today and the admirers of them are not dead at all.

I am not saying it is wrong in every shape or form in fact as I said million times already it is even expected to add some elements from each culture or era to appease the public. The problem begins when that story is exclusively looked through that keyhole and then we have the bias of one person on the text shaping the past and have a story that simply doesn't work and many people even those with no knowledge in the past realize there is something wrong with the picture. See how many people who love the Iliad and the Odyssey criticized Miller for adding too much of her modern morality in her books. Even people who are not experts realized the story was damaged despite her beautiful weiting etc

[clansunsharp]

wheres that post about being on tumblr for 13 years and dealing with discourse like neo in the matrix

[bookwyrminspiration]

sometimes I think about how one of the properties of human languages that separates us from other animals is that our language is culturally transmitted, meaning though we have an innate capacity to learn a language we still have to learn it, while animals don't. and then I think about how elves are born speaking enlightened. and then I have to forcibly remind myself shannon likely didn't take any of that into consideration and I should go outside or something

[yuesya]

I know that Heien Shiki and Yuzuki didn't have any children but hear me out on a heart wrenching thought I had.

They have only one child. A little girl that doesn't survive past four years old. (Maybe the same condition as Yuzuki?) The loss of her makes Shiki and Yuzuki unwilling to try again. By sheer coincidence either with a single character, the sound or meaning in her name; Tsumiki also has that in her name.

Just imagine Shiki waking up in the modern day(maybe looking forward to finding Yuzuki?) and one of the first things she learns is that her vessel shares part of her lost daughter's name. Like logically she knows that Tsumiki isn't her daughter reborn, but yet...she can not allow this girl to be harmed.

Also did Kenjaku know what they were doing when they choose this girl as the vessel? Do they dare to have the audacity to mock Shiki's dead baby like this?

Oh yikes, there would definitely be extra angst points in this AU if this was the case.

It would also change up the situation -previously we have Shiki being Not Interested in Kenjaku's games or fighting anyone, she just wants to see Yuzuki again. But if we suppose that 'Tsumiki' (/or some related name) was the name of her dead child then I think she'd definitely have a bone to pick with Kenjaku. Which begs the question of why he would think that this is a good idea in the first place...

Supposing that Kenjaku knew exactly what he was doing... one can only surmise that he deliberated intended to draw Shiki's ire. Hm. Possibly to orchestrate a Sukuna vs. Shiki encounter again and benefit from the results?

[lowstakesvampires]

[kurofai-olympics]

KuroFai Olympics 2024 - Fan Favourite Art

Voting for fan favourite art for KuroFai Olympics 2024 is now open!

Voting will close on 6th October.

[taraxippos]

Absolutely death gripped clenched trying not to comment on reductive posts on ancient greek homosexual relationships

[secret--history]

I know that 'The Secret History is a satire' is an extremly prevalent take, and I think it came about as a response to the idea that tsh "romanticises" things like classist ideas/substance abuse/murder, but like. It can be unsupportive or critical of the characters without being a satire. Satire is not the word you're looking for here

[completeoveranalysis]

I've been dedicated to working my way through all the Kurofai Olymfics I can this year. I think I've read all of the Team Ancient fics that aren't tagged NSFN now, and luckily still have a bunch of Team Modern to keep me busy this week.

I'm not sure if I'll get through them all before the end of the month but I sure will try!

[seasicksilver]

biggest pet peeve is when people refuse to acknowledge/don’t understand that the greek epics were written in a completely different era of cultural and societal norms 😭😭😭

[harpyartisan]

I think every time drama flairs up regarding what dragons people dislike that we all remember one thing: We all actually have the freedom of what dragons we own and no one is holding us at gunpoint to have types we don't like. It's actually super fine to just chill out and mind our own businesses.