#also i think his deal with lorelai is initially less about her and more about his cool mom trauma

[eurekavalley]

RORY: It was so weird. He was just... Jess. I mean, he shows up out of no where with this crazy proposal. It was awful. LANE: It doesn't sound awful. RORY: What are you talking about? Jess bailed on me twice. LANE: I know, but how incredibly romantic to have this guy show up out of the blue and want to take you away with him. RORY: When I first met Jess, I thought, "What could be better than this? He's smart, good taste in books and music, so cute." But Jess is great one minute and then the next - you know, as far as I know, I could have said yes, packed my bag, and by the time I got to the car, he would have changed his mind. LANE: It's part of why he's cute. He's unpredictable. RORY: I guess. You know, when I was with Dean, I always knew that no matter what happened, he would be there. LANE: Dean was very dependable. RORY: It was more than that. He's -- well, he was so... um, I was safe, and he was so nice to me. LANE: He really loved you. RORY: I think I really blew it there, you know? I didn't appreciate it. LANE: Every girl has to fall for a bad boy. It's the rule. It's the reason so many accountants eventually get married.

Gilmore Girls has a lot of great examples of how mirrors are not absolute... Jess has very little in common with Christopher but I wonder if he ever came to understand that he was triggering Rory's absent dad trauma with his behavior during this time of his life.

[zalrb]

Do you think lorelai was a bad mom, most of my flaws with how she raised Rory has less to do with her, but how the narrative treated Rory like she shat rainbows and sunshine. I see some people say she’s a bad mom and she def wouldn’t have been so lenient raising Rory if Rory was a more rebellious kid but idk

I flip-flop on this tbh.

But, Rory not being a rebellious kid is kind of the point, Lorelai can be that lenient because Rory is Rory but even with that, as I've said in the past, it's almost like Lorelai was a passenger

[...] even when they talk about Rory growing up, it’s like Rory raised herself, she came out as this book-smart, curious kid and Lorelai just happened to luck out

because when confronted with teens and kids who aren't "low maintenance", and who require more active parenting/guiding i.e. Gigi and Jess, Lorelai is out of her depth. Like, she may "get" Jess i.e. know that Jess is hiding a girl in his closet, or know that Jess and Rory are sneaking off, because Lorelai's the Cool Mom, but when she actually has to talk to Jess, when she actually has to confront a rebellious teenager after her initial Cool Mom Lorelai shtick doesn't work, she doesn't know how to act

and with the whole bracelet incident, she decides to go with sarcasm and hostility

Like I get that Gigi in season 6 was meant to be out of control so no one is able to handle her, and it's not Lorelai's job to parent her, but their time together, while framed as Lorelai Knows Best and therefore gets Christopher to realize he's raising a spoiled nightmare of a child, she also doesn't know how to establish and maintain proper boundaries with Gigi when she's in her care, she just makes quips

so, while the show gives Lorelai moments where she's meant to basically gentle parent Rory like with suggesting she go to the formal

or suggesting she do the speech

because Rory is "done"

and we didn't see what Lorelai did in the years that she was bringing Rory up, it feels like, to me, we never really see her parent, we see her do this

without seeing how she raised Rory to have this type of relationship with.

What I will say, is that in an effort not to be like Emily and Richard, Lorelai allowed Rory to cut and run a lot.

so like, after she breaks up with Dean and she’s being rude to everyone and she and Lorelai have that fight, she runs away to Emily and Richard’s and doesn’t say anything and Lorelai is just like, OK cool next time just leave a note, and then she sleeps with Dean while he’s married and she runs away to Europe because she doesn’t want to deal with it and Lorelai is like, yeah OK, and then when she cuts and runs from Yale again after what Mitchum said, it, like, takes her by surprise that this is her reaction when it’s been a pattern that she’s helped enable

Of course, the writing would have us believe that Rory learns through all of these things, but she doesn't so that's another issue.

[stellaluna33]

Re: your tags, yeah! I still can't get over the fact that for 2 whole seasons, we kept getting characters say that Jess is dangerous and could ruin Rory's life (to the point where both Luke and Lorelai are THAT worried that he might knock her up), only for Dean, the so-called poster boy for the Average American Family, to end up in an extramarital affair with her before dumping her in public a second time. And this doesn't even begin to cover everything that happened with Logan. Like I'm pretty sure that even Lorelai didn't think that Rory would wind up with a felony charge because of Jess, which makes the whole boat stealing from her perspective feel like it must've been the Twilight Zone for her.

Yeah. OH, the irony, right? I suppose Jess's detractors might argue that it's just because he didn't stick around long enough to be a Bad Influence in the end. But the thing is that, whatever personal crap Jess was going through in his own life, he only ever wanted Rory to be herself. Both Dean and Logan, though they liked her, wished she would conform more to their own values. Dean wished she would be less ambitious and focus on their relationship, like him. Logan told her she was too "sheltered" and timid, and pressed her to be more impulsive and not think about the consequences, like him. Jess didn't think school was important or valuable for himself, and he didn't understand Rory's close relationship with her mother. But he knew those things were important to Rory, and he never tried to convince her otherwise. He never attempted to convince her to cut class or "stop being so uptight," and when she did cut class, his reaction was to express concern. "That's so not you," he said. Jess didn't want Rory to be "more like him." He wanted Rory to be Rory. Ironically, I sometimes think Rory struggled to know how to deal with that lack of pressure. Jess admittedly had terrible communication skills, which didn't help, but I also suspect that Rory didn't know what to do with Jess's "you do your thing and I'll do mine" approach," and what he intended as mutual respect got misconstrued as lack of attention or initiative.

[tvandenneagram]

Gilmore Girls: Paris Gellar - Type 3w4

Paris is intense, driven and blunt. She has lofty personal goals and puts forward all of her efforts to achieve them.

At her best, Paris becomes less concerned with her achievements and begins to form more meaningful connections with people. While she is always striving for success, she starts to loosen up on her expectations and value her relationship with Doyle and her friendship with Rory and Lorelai.

At her worst, Paris has a tendency of being very narrow minded and becoming consumed with what she believes she has to achieve. She can be ruthless and is unafraid of hurting peoples feelings in order to get the results she wants. When she perceives her dreams as failing, she disintegrates to 9 and becomes very apathetic and depressed about her missed opportunities.

Paris puts a lot of pressure on herself to be the best. Starting from when she is introduced as the resident high achiever of Chilton, moving into her adventures at Yale and even as she graduates she believes her worth is tied to her academic achievements and results. This is part of the reason she clashes with Rory initially as she sees her as a threat to her place at the top of Chilton. As the series continues she grows to become friends with Rory and leans on her for support.

Paris is very emotionally detached and tries to hide her feelings from others. She is prone to explosive outbursts when she thinks things haven’t gone to her plans but rarely will she show her vulnerabilities to others. Paris tries to push her feelings aside in order to focus solely on her goals and present herself with a more positive image that everything is ok. Despite this, Paris is a very sensitive and emotional person and it shines through in some of her more honest moments with Rory. Her relationships are also another area where she shows some of her feelings and disappointments.

Paris has a wing 4 as she is more concerned with her personal goals and more detached than a wing 2 may be.

Tri-type: 3w4 - 8w9 - 6w5

Some quotes to describe Paris’ motivations:

‶I am not cut out to deal with people. I was made to be in a lab or an operating room or a bunker somewhere with a well-behaved monkey by my side″

“ I need her to be at Yale. Rory has been my only real competition since she showed up at Chilton. She's the only one who's ever challenged me. She's my pace car. She's my Björn Borg. Without her I'll get lazy. I'll fall apart. I'll have frosted hair and dragon lady nails, I'll achieve nothing. I'll become my mother.”

"You offer nothing to women or the world in general!"

“Who in the world deserves to go to Harvard more than me?!”

"Have I ever been mistaken for a patient person?"

“Well, how nice it must be to be you. Maybe someday I'll stumble into a Disney movie and suddenly be transported into your body, and after living there awhile, I'll finally realize the beauty of myself. But until that moment, I'm going to go in there and I'm going to become a Puff. Now get out of my way.”

"Was the last time you had an interesting thought when you considered flinging yourself off a building?"

"I already wrote his name in my revenge notebook."

“You're gonna do such great things with your life, Rory.”

“All I had to do was move a decimal point and none of this would’ve happened.”

[stina-bo-bina]

Ships Meme

Talk about the first ship you ever had. That was Chandler/Monica  when I was 14 and in high school. I don’t even know how it began. I was  watching Friends reruns and saw them get together and boom! Obsessed.  It’s funny because I never went for Ross/Rachel but C/M were a good, easy ship to start out with.

Talk about three of the most important ships throughout your life.

What’s your current OTP? Right now it’s Josh/Donna since finishing The West Wing for my first time in October and currently slowly rewatching.

What’s your current NOTP? None.

Do you have any poly ships? No.

How do you feel about love triangles? I hate them! I much prefer a lot  of other keep them apart tropes.

How do you feel about RPF? I’ve never been into it.

Have you ever shipped yourself with a character? Yes, I think with the male part of every ship. hahaha.

Do you have many ships that never got together at all? No,  I don’t think so. I tend to ship pretty mainstream.

Do you ship any characters that have never met? No.

Talk about your favorite first kiss. Luke and Lorelai: amazing, amazing, amazing. It still makes my stomach flip every time I watch it. ALSO Nick/Jess. Amazing. Josh/Donna’s first kiss is also amazing. The whole vibe with the music.  (I know this said favorite but those are my top 3 I guess.)

Have you ever been disappointed when your ship finally got together? Yes, Booth/Brennan let me down a bit. It was kind of a bummer how we saw no lead up to it. I liked that they had a kid (well, 2) and got married but once they got together they weren’t as great anymore.

Has a ship ever broken your heart? LUKE/LORELAI. I mean, they made up for it in the end but late s6/s7 was painful in real time and I was legit heartbroken. Also Sam/Diane because they never ended up together.

How do you feel about will they/won’t they? Many of my ships ARE this, so I guess I like it. Although it has to be  “will they” in the end AND I  don’t like it if it’s until the VERY end.

Have you ever “shipped at first sight”? Don’t think so.

Talk about a ship you initially disliked. None.

Talk about a pairing you’ve stopped shipping romantically. None, I don’t give up shipping much once I start.

Talk about a moment which made you question an entire ship. Lorelai sleeping with Christopher a the end of season 6.

Have you ever shipped something despite yourself? No.

Talk about a ship you feel alone in shipping. None, I’m a mainstreeam shipper.

Is there a ship you just don’t get, but have nothing against? I have nothing against Ross/Rachel  but I never shipped them hardcore which seems strange that I didn’t.

Which of your ships have the best chemistry? Luke/Lorelai and Josh/Donna are pretty consistent through the whole series. Nick/Jess are strong in s2 and so are Booth/Brennan in s2.

Which of your ships deserve better writing? Nick/Jess (mostly Nick). His character got so strange after they got together.

Do you mostly ship canon pairings? Yes.

Have you ever shipped a pairing before you even started watching the show/movie simply because of gifs and graphics or similar? I was kind of like this with Booth/Brennan I think. Josh/Donna too. I knew   they were a big deal and would end up shipping them before I watched.

Have you noticed a pattern in your shipping? Is there a romantic dynamic you’re more drawn to? Friends first. 

Is there a ship you’ve shipped for most of your life? Chandler and Monica I started shipping in 1999. 22 years. Of course it comes and goes but whenever I get in a Friends binge I fall right back into them.

Does shipping come easily to you? Not really. I ship very few ships compared to all the TV I watch and there’s a lot of couples out there I’m cool with (I like Jim/Pam for example) but I don’t consider them my SHIP.

Do you need to ship something to really enjoy a movie/book/tv show/comic? Yes and no. I can enjoy a lot of shows without shipping obsessively (The Office, How I Met Your Mother, tons of shows I watch). But when I ship that’s when it spills over into OBSESSION.

Name a couple of fandoms in which you have no ships. HIMYM (I liked Barney/Robin but never felt I was a shipper), Modern Family, Grey’s Anatomy. 

Talk about one of your favorite headcanons for a ship you love. I feel like Josh/Donna have a lot of  headcanons that are fandom recognized (the trip was to Hawaii. They move in together right after).

Do you have a favorite trope and/or AU for your OTP? I never really get into AU.

Do you like and use ship names? The only time it’s something other than their initials I think was Luke/Lorelai (JavaJunkies).

Is there a fictional relationship you’d really want for yourself? I’d go for the ones with less breakups and drama (Chandler/Monica, Josh/Donna aren’t too bad).

If you could change one thing about your OTP, what would that be? I understand Gilmore Girls wanting Lorelai to go through the whole Christopher relationship to prove it wasn’t right for her, but I’d change how it was done.

Which ships have made it to marriage? Chandler/Monica, Booth/Brennan, Nick/Jess, Luke/Lorelai (haha I can say that now!).

Which ships have children on screen? Chandler/Monica, Booth/Brennan, (Nick/Jess do in the flashforward?).

Ship that took the longest to get together? Josh/Donna

Ships that never broke up? Chandler/Monica, Booth/Brennan, Josh/Donna (simply because they got together at the very end haha).

[missallycat]

Deal with it people. The new Gilmore Baby, is a Sophies Baby

That’s right, you read it correctly and is no apostrophe, if you’re not familiar with the term, the explanation is at the end of the post but you need to read it all 😉

“What if... ok what if it wasn’t the wookie, what if Rory is a surrgate for Paris to help Lorelai and Luke?” “Logan is far too obvious!”

No, she isn't. Yes!! Believe it or not IT IS THE OBVIOUS ANSWER! IT’S A SOPHIES BABY!!!! (clarification on the term for those who didn’t already know at the bottom of the post) Even the SHOW CREATORS SAID. “IF YOU WATCH THE REVIVAL IS PRETTY OBVIOUS WHO THE FATHER IS”.

Because let's look at the facts (ASP usually tries to be all about her facts) :

*clears troath, stands on a small stool, fixes her glasses*

Brace yourself folks! This is going to be LOOONG!

1. Besides the fact that Rory NEVER EVER DISCUSSED WITH LORELAI MUCH LESS WITH LORELAI AND LUKE ABOUT THEM CONSIDERING SURROGACY (watch again, those two are talking a lot and they DON'T talk about the surrogacy, Paris doesn't tell Rory. Don't you think it would have been IMPORTANT enough to be shown? "Hey mom? I know you're thinking about having a baby, I'll be your surrogate". Guess what: THEY 👏 DON'T 👏 TALK 👏 ABOUT 👏 IT! 👏). A surrogate has to have been a mother once already at least. From what I understand is not only about physical maturity to carry a pregnancy succesfully to term but emotional understanding to what is like to give birth.

2 Rory herself said she had "aged out" for a surrogate. In general terms, as a random surrogate for Paris, that is definitely out. We know Paris is nothing if not thorough, she only takes the best “breeders” (her words! lol not mine) and friends or not, Rory wouldn’t make the cut for a general surrogate. And even if it’s a private agreement, they are going throug Paris and Paris wouldn’t go for it, her reputation would be on the line.

 3. She can’t be a surrogate for Luke and Lorelai. Luke was totally against the entire thing and didn't really care to understand the proper procedure for it. So he'd never go for it, how are they going to get his sperm? Lol drugging him? Luke “proud papa Luke” who thinks Rory deserves the world and the entire milky way and should conquer it all, he'd never in a million years agree to Rory being a surrogate much less for them. For those who say it could be a donor's sperm. Luke was against adopting so what difference does it make adopting from conceiving a baby that is 100% NOT biologically theirs?

4. She can’t be a surrogate for Luke and Lorelai. Lorelai had already discarded the idea! THEY NEVER DISCUSSED IT WITH RORY! Rory had no idea they were thinking about this. And this IS something important that would have been shown to us, these two having that conversation. So she was NOT on board (Not to mention, they were fighting because of the book so they weren't exactly talking and/or in the best of terms). Surrogacy is not a process you can do without all the parties authorization and agreement lol I mean is not like “surprise, mom! I'm your surrogate! Even though you and your husband never donated anything from your bodies to make a baby! And you never even told me you were planning it, much less asked me to be your surrogate! I read your mind and decided to volunteer without any biological item of yours or your husband’s”.

5. The body language when Rory is telling her mom. Lorelai looks shocked, Rory looks sort of scared. That is not the body language of a happy moment to announce your mom “guess what the process worked I’m now officially your surrogate!” And if she were a surrogate for a stranger, not only the entire revival with all its conflicts would be absolutely moot but she wouldn’t tell people she is pregnant, she’d announce to a close few she’s going through the surrogacy process.

6. That bizarre very distant conversation she had with her dad. Christopher being distant from his daughter (his daughter who has a very flat stomach in those fitted pants she’s wearing so, #sorrynotsorry folks it was NEVER the Wookiee). About if he regretted not being there, involved with her life, if he regretted how things turned out her not growing up near him and him always being away not really a part of her life. Him saying it’s how it turned out and it was what had to happen at the time. If she was a surrogate why would she care about how her dad had any regrets or not, RIGHT BEFORE announcing the pregnancy to her mom?.

7. FULL.FREAKIN.CIRCLE: Contrary to what you may believe my darlings, full circle DOES NOT make Rory a carbon copy of Lorelai. It doesn’t make it that she’s going to have the exact same life as her mom. It means that despite all the changes she made and Lorelai made so that Rory would turn out different, that Rory would have chances and every door open in her world, that despite all the sacrifices they made so she would be responsible and thoughtful and wouldn’t do something so reckless as getting pregnant without PLANNING IT in the end she came full circle, to repeat the same starter point of her mom. WHAT SHE DOES NEXT IS ON HER. Why? Because Lorelai Leigh is a different if less buoyant and less brave person than Lorelai Victoria. She is in a different age (even if we went by ASP’s initial plans she wasn’t going to be 16, she was going to be a college graduate) with more experience, with a much stronger and larger support system than the one her mother had, with a different take on the experience of the single parenting, the take on what it is for the child. As happy as Rory was growing up loved by her mother she always missed her dad, her father figures of sort were Luke and RIchard, but she didn’t live with them and wasn’t that often close to them. With Richard she didn’t start getting close until she was 16. She has a different take on things. Full circle and endless loop aren’t the same thing. Oh the wonders of language

8. The entire thing with Logan, them saying goodbye (although with these two is never permanent  click on the bold letters and see what I mean), talking about the dynastic plan, them sleeping together regularly during that year in the life and looks like a lot longer than that, would be pointless then if she was a surrogate, why would she put herself in risk of misscarriage of alcoholic poison of the fetus, or of accidental pregnancy? (hello! trying to get pregnant as a surrogate so she would be in a fertile stage not taking birth control) and she drank heavily in all the episodes except at the wedding, she couldn't have been drinking if she was going through the surrogacy process; is the same way she can't be pregnant with the Wookiee. 

9. The Palladinos always always show the public EVERYTHING of importance. All the important characters may not be aware of everything but every RELEVANT detail is shown to the public. The same way she couldn't have had sex with Jess because they barely even touch each other, haven’t seen each other or talked to each other in YEARS (they discuss that), so although familiar and friends, they aren’t that close. And looks don’t impregnate. Same goes towards Dean, hugs don’t impregnate and he’s happily married with kids of his own. They’ve both moved on long and now are just good friends.

Rory, at the time we see her, only has feelings for Logan (she keeps going back to him every time)  and they don't talk about her sex life with Paul in the show, because is non existent at least during the "year" we see them.

10. ASP was very clear in an interview while not revealing the father of the baby she said they never meant for it to be a mysterious thing, that the answer is right there when you watch the show. They even included all sorts of easter eggs to point out who is the father of the baby!  She also said she told who the father of the baby was to both Alexis Bledel and Matt Czuchry. AND she told them they could do whatever they wished with the information but they have both been the kind to politely say that is Amy and Dan’s thing to say. Milo himself said Jess is not the father and also said his romantic story with Rory is over.

THREE MORE FOR BONUS POINTS ;)

*.1 The Wookie was in the begining of spring. She announces her mom by the end of Fall. is A YEAR IN THE LIFE, meaning a full year we see of them she’d have been showing or symptomathic or else she’d be giving that fetus severe alcoholic poison given the amount of drinks. SAME GOES IF SHE HAD BEEN PREGNANT BY LOGAN WHEN SHE’S FALLING ASLEEP DURING THE INTERVIEW PLEASE! keep in mind the times!! The Wookie was a metaphor to show how much Rory had lost her way. Yes cases exist that there are miracle babies that an educated mother simply believes because of the IUD she stopped her period and can’t get pregnant (very rare cases but the miracle babies exist) and she isn’t symptomatic so she doesn’t show regardless of gaining or not gaining weight, so that baby IS in risk because she didn’t take measures and could have done any number of things really bad for her pregnancy and just happens to deliver a healthy baby. But Rory’s case isn’t a rare case. The Palladinos said IT’S RIGHT THERE WHEN YOU WATCH IS THE OBVIOUS CHOICE. The Wookiee would make her a rare case, not the norm, (birth control does fail, doesn’t mean she didn’t use it with the wookiee it just means birth control fails and you’re more at risk when there’s regularity of intercourse) is not the Wookiee

*.2 For heaven’s sake is not Paul’s! Let’s assume they didn’t have a non existent sex life as it’s heavily implied since he hasn’t seen her in a while when we first meet Paul, and she forgets he’s even staying at her house. We see him only for one night at the begining of the year in the life, is A YEAR IN THE LIFE, please do the math, see there’s no baby, so please please, I can’t stress this enough. Rory doesn’t have the gestational period of an elephant... is not Paul’s.

*.3 Let’s go back to the surrogacy... hormones inyections, fertility treatment because they were going to use the surrogate eggs and Luke’s sperm. If she had been going through that process she wouldn’t have been drinking and wouldn’t have been sleeping with Logan much less the Wookie (at least with Logan she loves him) risking getting pregnant by some other person during the preparation for the surrogacy process.

Is impossible for it to be anyone but Logan because GG is a light dramedy not a soap opera and I think that once Rory sorts out her own issues she will go back to him because he’s the one she shows feelings for, not Jess, not Paul, not the Wookie, the father of her unborn child. Accept it folks, the new Gilmore baby, it’s a Sophies Baby!(*)

*mic drop while making a sideways V getting down of stool*

(*Sophies is the name of the ship of Rory and Logan together. I didn’t think I had to clarify this since it’s not a new term, is as old as the show but the fandom of the specific team of Rory with Logan we are known as Sophies. This is a play off of Logan's "Master and Commander" comment to Rory for what she should call him in episode 5.03, Written in the Stars. “- Master and Commander! - The movie? - No, that’s what I want you to call me from now on”

Master and Commander is the first of Patrick O'Brian's novels about Jack Aubrey. Sophie is the square-rigged ship that Aubrey is Master and Commander of, and those who crew in her refer to themselves as Sophies. It is the ship where Jack Aubrey first makes his name.

So, it is in this spirit that those who ship the Master and Commander and His Lady, His Ace, are known as: Sophies.)

[frazzledsoul]

A thought experiment of what the revival would have looked like in it took place at a logical time interval

(disclaimer: some of this will go into la la la headcanon territory pre quickly. Also, the glut of long posts these days from me is a tad excessive, but it’s a reflection of my nature, I guess. Enjoy).

So I’m thinking that as questionable as much of the revival is, that most of it would have made a lot more sense if it had taken place 2-3 years from the end of the original series, in about 2010 or so. I’ve already engaged in a morbid reimagining of what season 7 would have been like if ASP remained in charge, but regardless of my worst expectations of that calamity, I think it’s clear what we saw in the revival was the plan for season 8. The storyline that we saws requires that Rory have graduated from college and for the Christopher/Lorelai thing to have run its course, so it makes the most sense for it to have taken place a few years later when things have changed slightly for the characters as we left them.

If we give the show 2-3 years, that’s enough time for Rory to be sort of floundering in a journalism career that hasn’t really gotten started, but not enough time to believe that she’s seemingly content with being essentially homeless at the age of 32, when everyone she knows is putting down roots. It also gives enough time for Logan to be pulled back into his father’s orbit (even though if ASP had written S7, I suspect he never would have left it) and to begin embracing the life that’s expected of him while still trying to relive his youth with Rory, when he had the possibility of you know, forging his own identity. All of that doesn’t quite work for me in the revival, not only because we get zero context on any of Logan’s behavior, but because I don’t think Logan’s family would be content to wait that long to set him up with a society wife and everything that entails.

The Luke/Lorelai plotline probably needs a few years to breathe but starts to make less sense the more time you add to it. I’m content with canon as established in the revival, but it would be a little more logical if Lorelai started to question whether she wanted a more traditional version of their relationship after just a few years. I am not saying this because I believe that either Luke or Lorelai were secretly longing to get married or have babies and were afraid to talk to the other person about it, because we were told explicitly that this wasn’t the case. I do think that as the fertility window began to close that it makes more sense that Lorelai would question if Luke was really happy with the way things were instead of not thinking about it for so long. The references to the Christopher/Lorelai marriage fiasco also make a lot more sense if they were in the recent past. I don’t think it would sting so much to all three of them (for Luke and Lorelai, the fact that such an event ever took place: for Christopher, the fact that it failed) if ten years had gone by.

The thing is that even if we shortened the time period, a lot of it is still really fucked up. In any version of this scenario, it just doesn’t make sense that we’re not told how Logan got to this place where he’s embracing the old life that he put so much effort into putting behind him and that he’s cheating on his actual fiance with a woman he used to want to marry, but now seemingly doesn’t. In my head, we’re told why this happened. I imagine that it didn’t work out with that company Logan joined in California, so he was forced to join his father’s company again, and slowly got sucked into the old routines again. In my head, the Odette thing is mostly a business arrangement, but it’s a situation that both of them accept and neither of them really love each other. When he starts things up with Rory, she’s still living this nomadic existence and she knows about his situation, but accepts it because she believes he’s committed to this new life now. Logan would be ready to give it up if Rory asked him to, but she knows she’s not in a position to ask that.

(in all versions of my love triangle headcanon, Logan ditches the fiance and comes to the States to help out Rory, even if they don’t start up a relationship again or if they do and it doesn’t work out. He has a good relationship with his kid no matter what, because you know what? In terms of decent human behavior, one should always aim higher than Christopher)

With Luke and Lorelai, it’s trickier but I also imagine that Luke was not thinking about babies as much in the first few years because he was focusing on getting April through high school. I don’t see any way of ASP handling that in a non-angsty way (and I don’t think the S7 writers would go with this, because they’d probably do the simple thing and just marry L & L off quickly and let them have a baby or two, no crazy full circle theory here to complicate things) but I think it’s important because getting April packed off to college was probably a big deal for Luke. Jess was sent to him specifically so that Luke could straighten him out and get him through high school, and that ended up blowing up in his face. Sure, Jess turned out pretty great, but the fact that he initially failed at his first attempt at full-time parenting had to eat at him, and probably had a lot to do with why he was so focused at getting it right with April. And maybe she wasn’t completely like Rory: maybe she wasn’t the perfect teenager, and there were some rough years, and some teenage boyfriends Luke scared the living daylights out of (Rory was probably just a practice run), and seriously, if anyone was due for an eventual goth phase, it was that kid, even if she never quite upgraded to stealing yachts. So getting her through high school and off to somewhere like MIT would have been something that Luke was very much focused on for a few years, because he was a working class guy who never thought he was quite good enough for this elite intellectual circles Lorelai and Rory traveled in and now his own kid is this super genius who is going to this prestigious university? He would be so proud. And of course he would have attended that graduation, as well as the graduation for the college education he paid for, because to insist otherwise for no reason at all was ludicrous since it just opens up more plot holes.

(And I kind of wish ASP would have let him show more pride and affection for April instead of having it be this sort of quasi sibling rivalry thing with Rory, because it is positive and healthy for him to be proud of his own child and everything she accomplished and that can exist outside of Lorelai and whatever pride he also has in Rory and Jess. We still see him exert a lot of devotion to her and her education and that’s a good thing, but it would have been okay for there to be a little happiness on this front, too)

I also think that the baby issue with Luke and Lorelai would have meant a little more if it was medically risky for them to proceed down this path, instead of it being completely removed from them due to her late age. It would make a lot more sense if Luke were to say no to anything that might cause him to lose her instead of him being weirded out by the whole process. I could still see him not wanting it the same way now that he’s had the chance to be a dad, but it adds a little extra pathos to it if they decided to go for it and it just was too much of a risk.

The only thing that really makes this not work is that the pregnancy twist is inherently unfair to Rory if she’s only around 25. I feel that this particular plot development was softened in the revival by the passage of time. Rory’s had time to go out and accomplish her goals and do all of the things she wanted to do. It didn’t end up working out, but she did get to do what she wanted in life. A career shift and a baby just isn’t that big of a deal at this point, especially since her parents are in a unique position to help support her and make their family unit stronger in a way it hasn’t been up to this point. I feel at this point it’s not a tragedy, but I can see the gears twisting to really make it worse than it is, because ASP prefers things that way.

But then again, a 25-year-old Rory who’s actually learned some things in the past 3 years probably is a better prospect for motherhood anyway. I can easily imagine her settling in some sort of hipster enclave in a nearby city with the love interest of her choice, while she remains on good terms with the other one and close enough to Luke and Lorelai so that they remain involved. It’s the same future, but it doesn’t have to be a disaster.

In my headcanon, everyone gets a happy ending.

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#1 and #2 for BtVS and Gilmore Girls friend! :)

Buffy the Vampire Slayer:

1. Analyze your favorite character. Get as in depth as you want.

My favorite character is Buffy, but that’s because I sort of idolize her. So let’s talk about the one I identify more with and love as a flawed being: Angel. I fell in love with Angel during his arc of dealing with just how shitty the world is. He stopped feeling like people were worth saving and man did I get that. I loved his realizing that he couldn’t control anyone else but only do the best he could. That was something I needed to learn. 

I’m not going to analyze him because I have a huge piece planned once I’m done watching the show.

2. Talk about your least favorite character, without mindlessly bashing them. I want to see actual reasons. 

Answered here. 

Gilmore Girls:

Omg I wrote so much I’m sorry. I’ve never gotten to talk about this show before.

1. Analyze your favorite character. Get as in depth as you want.

My favorite character is Rory Gilmore. I identify with her. As my husband says, me, my mom, and my grandmother have a very Gilmore Girls-ish vibe. Paris Gellar gets the second spot. 

Rory is a girl born of balancing her mother’s personality. She’s quiet where Lorelai talks constantly, she’s on time where Lorelai is late, she always has it together where Lorelai is sometimes scrambling, she’s a planner where Lorelai is more go with the flow. Rory can be a bit self-involved and egotistical. It’s born of growing up the star of Star’s Hollow. She cheats multiple times without seeming to consider that another person is being hurt (I also think her love of books has her sometimes treating life as a story rather than a reality). She has grown up being told she’s great so often that when someone says she’s flawed she has a total meltdown and nearly quits life. She has such ambition but has read so much she has trouble reconciling reality with fantasy. And I just love her, okay?

2. Talk about your least favorite character, without mindlessly bashing them. I want to see actual reasons.

Before I get into this, know two things. One, I’ve only watched Gilmore Girls once so this was an initial impression and could change upon rewatch. Two, I don’t hate this character. In fact, sometimes I really loved her. So with that, *takes a deep breath* my least favorite character is…Lorelai Gilmore.

I know, I know, prepare your stakes and light the torches. I know she is one of the most beloved characters ever. Let me offer my reasoning. 

1. The first and most important is that her flaws are rarely addressed as an Actual Thing. She gets the protagonist treatment. I just kept waiting for Lorelai to finally need advice or do the groveling for once and just…nope. It grated on my nerves. Why was Lorelai always right?

2. Her Mentor obsession. This is never mentioned on the show, but it’s something I noticed. Lorelai must always be the leader, the brightest star, the advice-giver in the room. She surrounds herself with only people she can do this with (everyone in Stars Hollow). How many times is it Lorelai to the Rescue? 

Throughout my watch I anxiously awaited Rory growing up and outshining Lorelai, figuring it would cause problems in their relationship when Rory no longer looked to her mother for guidance. Lorelai does not like being a follower. But Rory continued to need her advice and we avoided the issue. Like, presumably Rory is more intelligent than Lorelai and has things Lorelai doesn’t, but it’s always Lorelai giving the advice. Seems unrealistic. 

I believe this issue stems from Lorelai never being considered and constantly being a follower to Emily’s imposing leader. But it’s never addressed. This is a strong component of her relationships with Luke and Chris as well. Lorelai is always giving her sage advice regarding April, Gigi, etc, but god forbid they tell her what to do.

3. The way she treats Emily. I could talk about how horribly Emily treated Lorelai too, but by the time Lorelai has grown up she’s giving as good as she’s getting. And also, why is it absurd that Emily wants something in return for giving money? Lorelai never seemed to appreciate it much, either.

4. I feel like she was always looking down on everyone. In her mother’s circle she was the fun and less snobby one, in Star’s Hollow she was the more worldly one. She didn’t fully belong to either world, was better than both.

5. You’re not best friends with someone when you pull rank any time they do something you don’t like. Rory and Lorelai’s relationship isn’t a best friend relationship. That is all. 

None of these flaws are like, kill it with fire worthy. It just really annoyed me that she was nearly always treated as Saint Lorelai. But I still loved her.

[prosciuttoe]

Congrats on your milestoneeeee (and your book)! Prompt: Gilmore Girls AU with Clarke as Rory and Bellamy as Jess and all the 100 gang corresponding to some quirky character in stars hollow please :)

A|N: This ended up being a mix of bellarke being jess/rory and also luke/lorelai all at once because, well… I’m a mess. Sorry love, hope you like it! 

p.s: You guys don’t have to have watched gilmore girls to read this! Just think small-town bellarke being cute. The end.

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You see, the thing is, Bellamy doesn’t set out to be the town’s asshole. It just sort of happens.

It starts because it doesn’t occur to him that this arrangement he has with Kane is permanent. He figures that it’s only a matter of time before he and Octavia are allocated to another foster family, considering Kane is single and owns a diner and basically has a laundry list of traits that makes him a less-than-ideal foster parent. He fully expects to be gone by July; August latest. And in the meantime, he’ll just go on with his life without putting down roots. Simple.

Of course, this loosely translates to him being standoffish and rude to most, hence the label. Not that he minds, all that much, since it ensures that he’s left alone most of the time. He has his books and his job and Octavia. That’s all Bellamy needs, really.

Until Clarke Griffin comes into his life, and proceeds to fuck everything up.

The first time he meets her, she’s behind the counter of the diner, helping herself to the coffee pot.

“Hey!” he barks, crossing the room in three easy strides and herding her out into the open, “what the hell do you think you’re doing?”

She blinks over at him, hands still clenched protectively over her cup. Then, suspiciously, “I’m— wait. Where’s Marcus?”

“Out.” He snaps, slinging a dish towel over his neck. “Look, I’m not sure what your deal is, Princess. But where I’m from, we pay for the stuff we get.”

She bristles at that, her gaze cold as she sizes him up. “I had every intention of paying. Ask your goddamn boss, he can vouch for me.”

“Well, luckily for you, he’s not available at the moment.” He shoots her a thin smile at that, extending his palm out. “That would be a dollar fifty.”

He’s expecting her to storm out after, or throw a tantrum, at the very least- so it definitely comes as a shock when she plops down by the counter instead, sipping at her coffee before she cracks open a book.

“You know,” he manages, once he’s composed himself. “That’s actually a to-go cup.”

That earns him a saccharine sweet smile on her part; practiced and distinctly condescending. “Well, I’m not planning on disrupting my morning routine on your account.”

“Glad to hear of it.” He deadpans, giving her a sarcastic half-bow of sorts before retreating back to the kitchen. (It doesn’t help that she’s reading Ender’s Game, which has been on his to-read list for months. He almost wished that she had bad taste so he could hate her for it.)

She comes back the next day, and the day after, too; always with a different book in hand but with the same breakfast order of black coffee and waffles. She always sits by the counter-  despite the numerous free tables available- and finds a way to get under his skin constantly. Whether it’s the incessant tapping of her nails against the countertop or folding the pages of her book or even, god forbid, writing in the margins. It drives him fucking crazy, to the point where it’s impossible to stay quiet about it.

Look, Bellamy is committed to his cause of self-isolation, okay? But not enough to idly look by as someone vandalizes a book.

“If you’re going to start defacing your book again, I’d prefer it if you didn’t sit here.” He points out, curt, the next time he spots her with a pencil clenched between her teeth. “It ruins my appetite for pop tarts.”

“How is writing in the margins considered a sacrilegious act?” Clarke points out, mild, tilting her chin over at him in challenge. “If anything, it enhances the reading experience. I get to look back at my notes and see if I think of the book any differently now.”

“You can reflect on it without actually writing it down in your book.”

She shakes her head at that, exasperated. Then, thrusting the book out at him, “Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it, mister.”

“Fine.”

(Bellamy thinks he catches a glimpse of a smile, then, but it could just be a trick of light.)

His initial plan had mostly involved ignoring her notes in the margins so as to prove a point, but he fails miserably in the end anyway. Her words are magnetic; insightful and intriguing and wholly impossible to miss, and there are times where he finds himself enjoying her thoughts more than the text itself. He finds himself writing back most of the time and it’s almost easy to fall into a routine of sorts, after that; leaving pieces of themselves in between the pages and picking out the details found in the blank spaces.

They’re well through December when he realizes that he’s not going anywhere, and that he’s pretty much half in love with Clarke.

“You should probably tell her before the rest of the town does,” Miller tells him. They’re friends- despite his best attempts at resistance- and Miller likes to drop by for breakfast before heading to his job over at the inn. “It’s not like you’re subtle, or anything.”

Bellamy can’t help but scowl a little at that. “I thought it would be a non-issue considering how half this town hates me.” He points out grouchily. “I’m an asshole, remember?”

“Yeah, but, like,” he searches for the words, shrugging, “an endearing asshole. One with a love life that a lot of people are way too invested in.”

Groaning, he drops his head onto the counter with a solid thump. “Great. Just what I wanted.”

“Just tell her before Jasper does.” Miller sighs, patting at his shoulder in what he supposes is a comforting gesture. The intended effect is more awkward than it is soothing, but Bellamy lets it slide. “That guy is a major gossip.”

He mulls over it all through the lunch hour rush crowd, fucking up several orders in the process until Kane takes pity on him and shoves him behind the cashier instead. He doesn’t do any better in that regard either considering how it all goes out of the window the second Clarke walks through the door, toting a basket in hand.

“Do I want to know?” he asks, jerking his chin over at the garland of ribbons weaved over the basket handles.

“It’s a Stars Hollow tradition,” she frowns, dropping the basket onto the counter. “Well, an outdated and antiquated one, at least. Women make the baskets, and the guys bid on them for the food and the company.” She punctuates the statement with a exaggerated roll of her eyes. “I tried asking Jaha if the guys could provide the baskets this time, and he nearly bit my head off.”

Grabbing at the mug that he’s beginning to think of as Clarke’s, he fills it with coffee, sliding it into her grasp. “So why participate, then?”

She shrugs, picking at the ragged ends of the ribbon. “It’s tradition, you know? Far be it for me to break it. Besides, I have some intel that Finn Collins is planning on bidding on mine this year, and he’s not all that bad.”

“Finn Collins?” he gapes. “As in, boyband? As in, the guy who works over at the minimart?”

“Uh, I could do worse.”

“I don’t see how anyone is worse than Finn Collins,” he declares, hating the petulant note in his voice. “That guy barely has two brain cells to rub together.”

She fixes him with a look at that, inscrutable. “It’s not like I’m drowning in prospective bidders as of the moment.”

For some stupid reason, he flushes. “Right.”

There’s a tense, awkward beat, as if she’s expecting him to say something else in response.

“So, anyway,” she says, averting her gaze. “I should probably get going. The bidding is starting up in a bit and I don’t want to be late.”

He blinks, has to remind himself to wipe the flummoxed expression off his face. “See you?”

“Yup.” She says, shooting him a tight, almost pained, smile. He watches her go for half a second, still attempting to reorder his thoughts into something comprehensible—

It all falls into place then- coming into the diner, her disappointment at his apparent disinterest- and he finds himself scrambling through the drawers of the cash register, muttering out a hasty excuse before emptying it and charging out.

“Hey!” he calls out, before she can get any further. “Shit. Clarke.”

She stops in her tracks, her expression quizzical as he draws up next to her, panting.

“Sixty.” He says, in between breaths.

“What?”

Pulling out a wad of bills from his pocket, he presses it into her palm, his pulse thundering in his ears. “Sixty for your basket,” he says, swallowing. “And your company.”

She stares at him, the minutes dragging on—

Before she breaks out into a smile, bright and fucking delighted, pulling one from him as well. “Took you long enough,” she goes, beaming, before looping her arm around his. “Can you spare a few minutes?”

“Yeah,” he laughs, reaching over to lace their fingers together; planting him in place. “I have time.”

[morelovelyandmoretemperate]

All from A to Z :)

Oh my Lanta. Really? I mean, I’ll do it, but wowza. Thank you, anon. :D

A - Ships that you currently like a lot. (They don’t have to be OTPs because not everyone has OTPs.) Friendships, pairings, threesomes, etc. are allowed.

I’m not honestly a huge shipper. I prefer bromance to romance... if I HAD to pick a ship or two? Demitri/Anastasia from “Anastasia”, and Mr. Darcy/Elizabeth Bennet from “Pride and Prejudice”. Always get me every time.

B - A pairing–platonic, romantic or sexual–that you initially didn’t consider, but someone changed your mind.

Mmm... Spirk (Star Trek) and McKirk (Star Trek). Damnit, I didn’t want to get sucked into this hell hole, but here I am.

C - A ship you have never liked and probably never will.

Sherlock/Anyone. I just don’t see romantic relationships there. I mean I can see how people get the Johnlock thing going, but honestly... I don’t ship him with anyone. Again, bromance before romance for this one.

D - A pairing you wish you liked but just can’t.

Dean Winchester/Lisa (Supernatural). But that might be because that storyline was pretty weak.

E - Have you added anything cracky/hilarious to your fandom? If so, what?

Some of you may well remember that there is a little known one-shot lurking out there inspired by @faragonart‘s Hiccup in Aperture Science drawings from... Jeez, like a year and a half ago? Not sure. But it’s out there. It’s cracky as hell.

F - What’s the longest you’ve ever been in a fandom?

Been in the Teen Titans fandom for... jeez uh... 13 years? Harry Potter is closely behind at 12.

G - Have you ever had an OTP? If so, do you remember your first one? Who was in it?

Again, not super shippy. When I was a wee tot I adored Robin/Starfire on Teen Titans, but the older I got the more I was like “I just don’t see it.” I do love me some Harry/Ginny (Harry Potter).

H - What is your favorite source text for fandom stuff (e.g., TV shows, movies, books, anime, Western animation, etc.)?

Usually tv shows. Almost always. Sometimes movies. Rarely books.

I - Has Tumblr caused you to stop liking any fandoms, if so, which and why?

Tumblr has turned me off of so many fandoms before I ever even saw the show, because I was sick of it before I ever got a chance to enjoy it, including but not limited to: Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, Voltron, Troll Hunters, Hannibal, etc.

J - Name a fandom you didn’t think about until you saw it all over Tumblr. (You don’t have to care about it or follow it; it just has to be something that Tumblr made you aware of.)

Supernatural. Honestly had no idea what it even was before I saw it on here, and then of course I got obsessed.

K - What character has your favorite development arc/the best development arc?

Ooohhh. Sherlock is one of my faves, just watching him become more.. human, is great. Jesse Pinkman and Walter White (Breaking Bad)... there are so MANY.

L - Say something genuinely nice about a character who isn’t one of your faves. (Characters you’re neutral about are fair game, as are characters you merely dislike. Characters that you absolutely loathe with the fire of ten thousand suns are exempt, as there is no point in giving yourself an aneurysm over a character that you hate.)

John Winchester has a pleasant sounding voice when he isn’t screaming at his children? Does that count?

M - Name a character that you’d like to have for a friend.

Lorelai Gilmore (Gilmore Girls). I want to be her.

N - Name three things you wish you saw more or in your main fandom (or a fandom of choice).

Jesse Pinkman character analysis and canon compliant Harry Potter learning to deal with his upbringing.

O - Choose a song at random. Which ship or character does it remind you of?

“Reflecting Light” by Sam Phillips- Luke/Lorelai (Gilmore Girls)

P - Invent a random AU for any fandom (we always need more ideas).

I actually developed a relatively in depth baby bots AU for Portal in one of @faragonart‘s streams. The idea was more or less that in an effort to tame Glad0s, they scientists desperately tried to bring the human part of her (whatever was left of Caroline) back into control by appealing to her maternal instinct with android baby bots, creating first Virgil (who was too soft spoken and non-assertive, and brushed aside before being reassigned to maintenance) then Wheatley (who was too curious and outgoing, and caused her to become increasingly hostile against him to the point that his memory of it was wiped, and he was left with nothing more than an inherent fear of her), and finally having no choice but to bring in Caroline’s actual daughter: Chel. If anyone wants more than that, I have it all written down somewhere and I’ll hunt it down and share.

Q - A fandom you’ve abandoned and why.

Ooooh. LOST. Too weird, my dudes. Far too weird. And Grey’s Anatomy.

R - Which friendship/platonic relationship is your favorite in fandom?

Merlin/Arthur, Sherlock/John, Harry/Hermione, this is a looong list.

S - Show us an example of your personal headcanon (prompts optional but encouraged)

Hmm... alright, so @orhowfar and I were watching Anastasia a few weeks back and I went dark af and just proclaimed that I think Dimitri was abused by the staff of the palace. He very clearly gets manhandled rather aggressively on a fairly frequent basis, and his self esteem is virtually nothing. So we came up with this whole big thing where his favorite of the nobility was always Vlad, who had kind eyes and a big belly and would sneak him sweets when he assisted, and after helping the princess escape and being knocked unconscious (by a blow to the head from a gun which 100% broke his nose btw have you ever noticed?) He finds himself with nowhere to go. He runs into Vlad and there’s a moment of pure panic because Vlad knows how bad things are right then, but they both just nod, and wind up taking care of each other. Vlad becomes something of a father figure to Dimitri. He notices pretty early on that Dimitri doesn’t like contact unless he’s initiated it, something that carries over into adulthood, despite his best efforts, but it does get better. Vlad just makes sure to let Dimitri come to him as often as possible instead of reaching out first. Etc. etc. it was a LONG thing.

T - Do you have any hard and fast headcanons that you will die defending?

Hiccup’s hair looks the way it does because he won’t sit still for a haircut- he’s always off doing something or other- so his father will just randomly grab a handful of his hair and slice through it with his knife to keep it manageable. Hiccup barely notices until after Stoick’s death when his hair is suddenly longer than it’s been in years and then he remembers and ouch.

U - Three favorite characters from three different fandoms, and why they’re your favorites.

Merlin- self sacrificing, intelligent, lovable little dork with immense power.

Dean Winchester- self sacrificing, intelligent, lovable little dork with virtually no self esteem or self preservation skills.

Jesse Pinkman- self sacrificing, intelligent, lovable little dork with virtually no self esteem or self preservation skills who is far too broken and has seen far too much but is desperate for love.

V - Which character do you relate to most?

It varies... I related to Jesse Pinkman more than I probably should have but... given current circumstances.. yeah. I understand Lorelai Gilmore on a spiritual level as well.

W - A trope which you are virtually certain to hate in any fandom.

“Bad guy is reformed and becomes besties with the gang”. Get away from meeeeeeeee.

X - A trope which you are almost certain to love in any fandom.

One character slowly humanizes another through little acts of affection and teaching and both learn from the other and become best friends in the process.

Y - What are your secondhand fandoms (i.e., fandoms you aren’t in personally but are tangentially familiar with because your friends/people on your dash are in them)?

Hmmm... does The Office count? I see a lot of The Office second hand.

Z - Just ramble about something fan-related, go go go! (Prompts optional but encouraged.)

They have never once cast a decent Dick Grayson (Batman) and let me tell you why because when a child is of Romani descent they are not some little pale white boy with dark hair. They have a very specific look and I have yet to see it. Not to mention they never pick the right body type. Dick is an acrobat first and foremost; he just learned to adapt that into a fighting style. He would not be some top heavy bulky af ripped dude with giant shoulders and biceps and thighs as wide as a tire, he’d be lean and wiry and small. He needs to be fast, be able to get and keep himself airborne, and fold into all sorts of weird shapes (the kid is basically a damn contortionist). He’s strong as hell, but it’s not just big ass muscles, it’s... *deep breath* he’s not the body type they keep casting. Furthermore, that kid is definitely his own special brand of damaged and I get very tired of seeing the “so sarcastic and carefree” attitude given to him in movies and tv shows, but I also can’t stand the other extreme: the cold, clinical, calculating, trying to be Batman nonsense. That’s not who he is. He’s smart and capable, and certainly can be serious, he’s been playing a part in public for most of his life, just as Bruce does, but he’s also very careful not to become what Bruce has... I could go on about this for a long time... @cinemamind, help me? 

Thanks for the request, anon, sorry this is SO long...

[funkymbtifiction]

Hi Charity!

I hope you’re doing well 😊

I’m the INFP who wrote the post about Dean.

I read the post about the different communication styles between feelers, and I found it very interesting and thought-provoking. Your reply really resonated with me. I know the original poster said they weren’t replying to me, but I still felt part of the conversation and wanted to respond to it, but then I got a bit carried away, so I tried to synthesise my thoughts as best as I could (so not that well haha). Here it goes.

Since you said I could edit / shorten it if I wanted, I'm going to, because if I don't, this conversation is just going to keep going in circles with me in the middle. But I'm going to keep what you said about Dean, because I think it's important to discuss.

In my original post I didn’t mean to speak for all Fi users, and didn’t mean to definitely exclude Fi when it comes to Dean, just Fi-dom. I didn’t mean either that if he were an Fi-dom he would behave exactly as I would have in the same situation, and I probably carried on too much about myself but I meant that if he were an Fi-dom, to me he would have enough emotional subtlety to understand that people are different, they react differently to things, and he would have given Rory the space to react in her own way. Maybe she didn’t feel it, but then again maybe she did and it was hard for her to express it, or maybe she needed time to figure things out and wasn’t sure of her feelings, which is fine too, especially at sixteen! Maybe he would have asked questions and been more curious about the reasons why she didn’t say it, instead of assuming that it must mean that she doesn’t feel it if she doesn’t say it back straight away. I just felt a lot of harsh energy coming from him, which I didn’t think matched that of a Fi-dom, but then again maybe I self-inserted too much, maybe it has to do with him being a sensor or unhealthy or his enneagram… It’s just, I look at Jess and Dean and I just don’t see the same type. Dean has that sort of traditional aura about him, like “this is what things are supposed to be like when you have a girlfriend and this is what society tells you needs to happen” and stuff, that Jess completely lacks, and that I don’t think is very Fi. But again, I could be wrong. It could also be that his characterisation is just not that great.

You did raise a good point, and I think you are right. Dean has a lot of expectations about what a relationship should look like, and the gender roles people should play in them. Do you remember that episode where Rory and her mom were scoffing at an old TV show? I think it was Donna Reed? He got a little offended, and said he thinks it's "kind of nice" if a woman wants to take care of her husband, and cook, and clean, and look nice for him, and both of them gave him a dirty look -- but then Rory went and dressed up in a 50's outfit and fixed him dinner to "try it." And Dean kind of liked it. My point is, I could see an ISFJ for Dean now that I think about it more. He takes his role as a boyfriend seriously and he wants to do it "right." He is overall tolerant and good-natured, and sometimes makes selfish decisions (but so does every person on that show :P) but you are right, he expects an immediate verbal response in a way an IFP might not. Compare him to Jess, who told Rory "I love you" and then ran away. Left. "The ball is in her court." He got all hurt that she didn't respond immediately or chase him down and tell him, and left / sulked. (Cue Luke going: you're an idiot. You wait around for an answer! You don't just make a declaration and run away!) Then there's the fact that when his marriage falls apart, Dean goes back to Rory. His old girlfriend. It's "going back" and "not moving forward." So your two cents is appreciated and I think you're right and my initial assessment was wrong.

I admire people who are so confident as the poster, because one of the reasons why I didn’t use to share my feelings with other people was in part because it was hard, in part because I didn’t think they were interested. I didn’t think it mattered, I didn’t think I mattered, in any case that I mattered enough that they would want me to bother them and take away from their precious time to have that conversation. I really don’t want to bother people. I’d rather just go away and lick my wounds in private and analyze it and learn from it and eventually be OK with it. (What makes me and my views and my thoughts more important than others’, why should they want to read about it? Answer: nothing, and they probably don’t, so I don’t say anything or send anything.) I’m working on it and doing better!

This is very 9. And it's true, 9s have trouble "taking up space" and feeling like their voice even matters. I also struggle with this a lot, and I just have a 9 fix. I want to do / say things and then think: but no one cares, so why bother? 9s shrink their space instead of expand to fill it.

To sum things up, as you also tried to convey, I think, Charity, I don’t think we can determine people’s communicative styles “once and for all”. Irrespective of type, people are complex and communication depends on many factors: the level of intimacy of the relationship, the presence or absence of conflict, the actual personality of the person in front of you, your history with that person, how you’re feeling in that particular moment, are you tired, anxious, busy, hungry… Your communication style is also likely to evolve back and forth, in one direction as you grow and mature, or in the other when you go through stressful times. People are complex and I don’t think they fit into neat little boxes.

Agreed, but I think some people are naturally more straightforward than others, and others send mixed messages. I had a relationship end last year and then received a Christmas card from that person over the holidays, followed by them wanting to be included in an ongoing multi-person project I had going on about two months later. They were sending me a lot of mixed messages (why are you here? is this you trying to talk to me?) because we had ended our friendship, so I mustered up the nerve to ask: "Does this mean you want to talk?" and the answer was "No."

This is pure attachment type behavior: I'm not sure what I want. Do I want to be friends again? No? But I need to feel still connected to you in some way? Yes? But it's also painful to be around you, and recall that we are no longer friends? Yes. So why am I here?

About a month later, they pulled out of the project, because... I guess... they realized the above. But that is my point: sometimes attachment types (3, 6, 9) don't know what we want, and we send mixed messages, and other people ask us directly what we're up to, and that forces us to think about it, and THEN we make a decision. So I may not like Rory all the time, but I understand why she does the crap she does and all about having to learn to be assertive in a relationship. That Dean thing really upset her, because one minute it was all fine and they were happy and the next, he was mad at her for not instantly saying "I love you." And she reacted largely how I'd expect a 9w1 to act -- what the hell just happened? He tore himself away from me, because I didn't have an answer for him?!

I'm also considering sx2w1 for Dean. Lots of (unhealthy, cuz no one on the show is healthy) intensity, emotion, and expectation that me doing nice things for you means I love you, and you should know that, and I need to hear it from you in return.

Thank you again Charity for being the catalyst for so much interesting thought and introspection! I don’t think I’ve ever written so much on the topic and I am in awe that you are doing it daily and still running this blog after all these years. Sending many good thoughts!

Thanks for contributing! :)

[frazzledsoul]

Random thoughts after a mini marathon of much of season 4 of Gilmore Girls

I feel that overall this season wasn’t quite as enjoyable as season 3, but the last three episodes are exquisite for my shipper heart, so that makes up for it.

Rory is extremely boring during much of this season. I still feel she’s mostly got the well-developed conscience that she pretty much lost during a lot of the last three seasons, but the fact that the most interesting storyline she has is retreading her high school love interests doesn’t say too much for her as a character. I think Logan shook up her storylines in a good way, not just as a romantic interest, but as a representation of this entire elite world that she’d only seen from a distance at that point.

We see way too much of Dean. Look, I get that this is setting up what happens between Rory and Dean in the finale and he doesn’t come off too badly most of the time, but there’s only so much of this I can take. I don’t really blame him for what happened since he was too young to get married in the first place, but I’m not crazy about the plotline that’s setting Rory up as the eventual homewrecker.

On that note, we also see way too much of Digger. I still don’t know what kind of deal Chris Eigeman had that got him in the opening credits for most of the season when none of Lorelai’s love interests save for Luke were ever included. I actually really like the guy and his snarkiness and ability to keep up with Lorelai’s quips. But the storylines with Richard were snoozeville, and come on, do we really expect Lorelai to settle down with this upper-crust businessman who dwells almost entirely in her father’s world?

The Luke/Nicole situation is even weirder to me. What was she doing with him? What was she doing with him, ever? Really, grumpy, small-town Luke, who she suspected always was in love with another woman, is going to stay married to this cosmopolitan lawyer? Honey, why? It seems that she had nothing at all to do with his actual life and rarely visited Stars Hollow, and he only occasionally ventured over to their apartment in another town. Whenever he needed actual support, he went to Lorelai and vice versa and when he’s given a romantic gift, he gives it straight to Lorelai, not to her. I would feel bad for the woman if she hadn’t been screwing around on him, but this went on way too long.

(That said, the scene where Lorelai tells him that he doesn’t deserve to get cheated on always kills me, because she does more or less the same thing to him two years later. I know it wasn’t technically infidelity, but it probably didn’t feel that different to him, and it just makes the incident so much worse. Have I mentioned that I haven’t forgiven ASP for that and I never will? Well,I’m saying it again).

I’m not sure why no one ever mentions the firelight festival episode in the pantheon of great episodes. It’s perfect. We have Jess bringing the drama with well, everyone. We have Luke trying to fix everyone’s messes. We see Liz for the first time and we see her try to reassure Luke that he did do some good for Jess after all. We see Lorelai have a cute surrogate mom moment with Lane. We have Drunk(!) Luke and we see Lorelai comforting him. We have a cute Luke/Lorelai moment at the festival and some nice bonding moment between Luke and Liz. It’s just an overall perfect episode.

Jess doesn’t come off well at all on his initial return. He spends most of his time screaming at Luke for trying to exert some sort of positive parental influence on him and avoiding Rory entirely. Since the influence of his biological father seems not to have mellowed or improved him in the slightest, I’m guessing things didn’t end up so well there. He and Luke eventually end up in a good place, with Jess acknowledging everything that Luke tried to do for him. But Rory sends him away and runs straight into Dean’s arms (hey, at least Jess was single, Rory). By the time we see Jess in season six, he’s developed into someone that’s actually likable and accomplished, but I never got the impression that Rory ever really returned his feelings romantically and I’m not sure that changed in the revival. I think that’s maybe something that’s got to develop into some possibly mythical future, either in our own heads or in a follow-up.

I feel that anything I have to say about the last three episodes would diminish how perfect they are, how everything comes together so seamlessly for something that had been very, very long in coming. I really love season 5, but I don’t think the show ever really recaptured the innocence before everything all came together, especially given how complicated everything got during the last season and a half of the original series. But it was all worth it for this moment.