#also how come we are told loki and sylvie are the same person but that sylvie is also superior and only loki is an ass??? she's just a badly

[iamnmbr3]

Hey I have a question. if Sylvie was raised knowing she was Jotun and had a loving and accepting home then how did she win the trauma olympics by having a harder life than Larry if she didn't have any of his traumas? Also, more importantly, why do the writers think I would care? 

You have to make a character feel real and write in a compelling way for their tragedies to feel compelling. Otherwise it's just empty words. I can write: "Once upon a time there was a character and his name was Bob and he had a life 10 times sadder than Loki. In fact it was the saddest life EVER that anyone had. The end.” 

But it is not a compelling or well written tragedy. Even though canonically in the story I have just written Bob had the saddest life ever, no one will feel more sorry for him than they feel for compelling and well written tragic characters. 

[rekaspbrak]

thanks to my rewatch of Loki I’ve just been reminded how much I’m annoyed by (mostly) fellow Lokius shippers that insist Sylvie is problematic, abusive, toxic, rude to Loki and that she only used Loki for her own gain.

(And that’s coming from a person who also enjoys Lokius and I’m tired of fellow shippers pretending it’s not misogyny when it actually clearly is)

Are we really in any position to claim any of that when Mobius did the exact same if not even worse things to Loki?

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, Loki was indeed used by him. The sole reason why Loki is alive, the sole reason why Mobius recruited Loki was for his own benefit. He needed to apprehend the variant that posed a threat to the stability of the multiverse and was eliminating their forces. Coming across Loki was a happy accident and in it, he saw the opportunity to finally capture that variant. Sure, he might have been fascinated by Loki’s nature and perhaps even harbored hopes that this partnership might work out for him even better than anticipated, but the main and primary reason why he even recruited him was to use him.

In fact, he explicitly stated in subsequent episodes that if Loki refused to cooperate, he wouldn't hesitate to prune him. He warned Loki that his survival hinged upon his willingness to comply.

He can be ruthless and manipulative to get what he wants and will not hesitate to take any means necessary to reach his goal. Mobius was not reluctant to strike at Loki's most vulnerable areas.

He’s smart enough to identify Loki’s weaknesses, and one of them is his affection for his mother. When he told him Loki killed his mother, while not entirely incorrect since Frigga’s death was an unintentional consequence of Loki’s actions, he aimed to shatter Loki emotionally and provoke a reaction. It's a classic tactic of emotional manipulation designed to coerce Loki into compliance.

He used a similar strategy in episode 4 where he deceived Loki, manipulated him into thinking that Sylvie, someone Mobius suspected Loki had grown close to, had been killed.  Then, he proceeded to taunt Loki, who was visibly distressed by his lies, all in an effort to provoke a response from him.

The finale made it evident that Mobius lacks physical combat skills, rendering him incapable of directly engaging in fights. Therefore, to gain an advantage over Loki, Mobius relies on identifying his vulnerabilities and exploiting them.

He can use the TimeTwister for when Loki misbehaves and controls him like a dog, or, he can throw him in a memory loop cell, subjecting him to both verbal and physical abuse for an indeterminate period, so basically someone else does that job for him.

That action in particular is something I noticed a lot of you tend to ignore. At this point, Mobius and Loki had already formed a camaraderie. It might not have been a full-fledged friendship just yet, but they were clearly on their way to becoming friends. Mobius was hurt that Loki decided to stab him in the back and destroy his trust in him by doing the exact thing he shouldn’t - running off with the Variant, even if that was for a good cause.

For Loki, Mobius risked a great deal: his own job, the friendship and trust of Ravonna, the trust placed in him and even Ravonna by the Time Keepers, and possibly even his own life. He had enough faith in Loki to believe that Loki wouldn't betray him and run off at the first opportunity.  And Loki betrayed that trust when he went after the mysterious Variant.

When Loki and Sylvie were captured by the TVA, it wasn’t jealousy that Loki had feelings for Sylvie that drove him (even though we like to headcanon that, we have to keep in mind Loki and Mobius’ relationship wasn’t written as romantic). Instead, it was his anger and resentment that stemmed from placing so much trust in Loki, only to have him do the very thing Mobius had believed he wouldn't.

Then, despite the fact that there was already some camaraderie between them, and despite the fact that Loki genuinely meant well, Mobius in his anger, completely dismissed the possibility of Loki being honest with him. He outright declared that he no longer needed Loki and, to make matters worse, he threw him into the Time Loop cell where he knew Loki would endure repeated instances of physical assault.

I know that some of you like to argue, “oh, well at least he didn’t choose a worse memory! He clearly cares about him then!” but honestly, that’s just very questionable and just....uh?

The reason Mobius selected that memory was because he knew Lady Sif would inflict repeated physical pain upon Loki and because of what Lady Sif says to him during that loop. She hurls insults at him, calling him a "conniving, craven, pathetic worm" and that he deserves to be alone for the rest of eternity.

Mobius made the conscious decision to throw Loki into the Time Loop cell, despite the budding friendship between them, despite the budding trust, despite everything that happened and was perfectly fine with that.

It wasn't because Mobius was manipulated by the TVA or forced to do this; he did it of his own accord. He chose to punish Loki and because he wanted to use him, break him to extract info out of him. Because he refused to believe Loki’s words.

I’m shocked that so many of you overlook that and pretend it didn’t happen, because as much as I love Mobius and their dynamic, what Mobius did in that particular episode alone was more severe than anything Sylvie did to Loki throughout the entire season.

In the span of a few minutes, Mobius:

insulted Loki, called him an asshole, bad friend and compared him to a cockroach

mocked his feelings to provoke him

lied to him that someone Loki cared about had been killed, manipulating his emotions for a reaction

despite Loki’s genuine intentions, he refused to listen to him

he bluntly stated that Loki was no longer of any use to him 

he threw Loki into a place where he would endure physical, verbal, and emotional abuse, intentionally subjecting him to suffering

through his actions, Mobius reinforced the idea that Loki deserves to be alone, (just as Loki was in the process of forming actual, meaningful relationships with at least two people; Mobius and Sylvie, Mobius goes and punishes Loki by reminding him he deserves to be alone)

and despite all of that, he still expected Loki to provide him with information, meaning he did all of that because he still intended to use him for his own benefit

Eventually, Mobius did go on a bit of a personal investigation and discovered that Loki had been telling the truth. However, by the time he discovered the truth, the damage had already been done, and Loki had already been hurt.

In short, he made a conscious decision to hurt Loki in every way imaginable to get what he wanted. 

The series showed that Mobius was aware that there was a possibility that Loki might be telling the truth. However, his anger, stubbornness and unwavering certainty in his own righteousness blinded him from considering the possibility that Loki could be right.

Again, I like Mobius very much and I like Lokius as well, but jesus christ guys, some of you need to take a step back from solely blaming Sylvie as the worst person ever when Mobius did the exact same things. If not even worse, because unlike Mobius, Sylvie at least never manipulated Loki into thinking his feelings were invalid, never claimed that his mother had died because of him, never tricked him into believing that someone he cared about had been murdered.

Sylvie never subjected Loki to a memory loop filled with continuous verbal insults reminding him that he is oh, just the worst and that he deserves the life of loneliness for the rest of eternity, all the while he also suffered physical pain.

You’re free to have personal preferences and to dislike a ship or a character, but for the love of Lord stop claiming Sylvie is abusive and toxic and what not, when our own ship is just as flawed if not even more flawed. 

Sylvie did this, she did that, but where’s that same vitriol for Mobius? Why are you only coming after the woman? They both did bad shit that hurt Loki, but some of you only see Sylvie’s actions and pretend Mobius was nothing but supportive of Loki the entire time, which is wrong and disgusting. No, Mobius and Lokius is not better than Sylvie and Sylki and it’s time for some of you to accept that.

I like Mobius and I like Lokius but I’m tired of being called a misogynist because of some of you who cannot accept the fact that Mobius has committed and inflicted just as many (if not more) morally questionable things as Sylvie.

And the worst thing is that those who call this misogyny are actually right.

Mobius is a good, compelling character and will likely prove to be a good friend to Loki in Season 2, but he’s not innocent either. He can be manipulative. He can be horrible. He can be brutal to get what he wants. Yes, even to Loki.

Even Loki acknowledged that, so why can’t you?

[marv-el-spot]

THE ROMANCE IS CANON, BUT AT WHAT COST? (but it's canon?? but what at what cost? IT'S CANON!)

... Because for as much time as they spent apart in Season 2, in the eyes of the creative team, it was Loki and Sylvie's romance that drove the events of Season 2 to their bittersweet conclusion.

In an interview with Collider's Therese Lacson, executive producer Kevin Wright disagreed with the suggestion that their relationship was less important in the second season, saying:

"I would disagree with the assessment that we downplayed the relationship. They may not be stopping to kiss. Everything is driven because of the deep emotions that these two people have for one another. Everything that happens this season, I think, is still a ripple effect from Sylvie feeling deeply wounded and saying like, “why aren't we seeing this the same way?” This person is probably the first person in her life she ever opened up to. And Loki trying to get this person who he's seeing is making the same mistakes that he made in the MCU 10 years ago, going down these blind paths of vengeance and anger and all this, and he's trying to prevent this person from going down that path, because he deeply loves them and cares about them."

For Wright, the life-or-death, timeline-spanning consequences of Season 2 meant there was less time for the cute and cuddly moments, but that doesn't mean their relationship is any less romantic:

"You get that in Season 1 because they get stuck on a train together on Lamentis and you get to have that romantic moment, because two characters who at that moment can't stand each other, then have to spend an afternoon together, and an evening on the train. Or they get stuck in the void together. They just don't have those moments to get on the same page [in Season 2.]"

For as much as Wright sees the plot of Season 2 as stemming directly from how much Loki and Sylvie care about each other, that's cold comfort to fans who were hoping to see the two gods of mischief ride off into the sunset together. For Wright, though, this is what made their romance more realistic, as he told Lacson:

"I think it felt natural, and more realistic, and messy, and I think that was our thing is like real relationships are messy. And we wanted to do that and not force something that felt inauthentic just to like service fan dreams of seeing these two happy together. They both need a lot of personal work to get to a place where they could have a good relationship "

So Wright is basically saying that the romance is still there, but they didn't have a moment like in Lamentis or the void to talk about it. So it would unrealistic to bring it up... which I could totally understand IF the show should last 12 episodes and we would have actual time to drag their relationship and IF we didn't have...

the scene at the bar

the scene at the TVA automat

the scene outside McDonald's (twice)

the scene at the Citadel!

the scene were he stopped the time to talk to her!

so, what are you saying, my man??

Also fan service for making them kiss?? YOU made them kiss in first season, no one ask that! i mean, we wanted maybe, but that was unexpected and now making them kiss is fan survice. let me LOL harder!

And to the last quote says "they need a lot of personal work" to get to a good relationship. Again i would love to see that man, but when tho?? you're saying this like there's another season coming solely focused on their relationship??? because i would be so in! hahaha

(this was long so, thanks for reading!)

[lokittystuckinatree]

Ok so I did a rewatch thread for ATLA a few years ago, and I’m doing it again for the LCU: Loki Cinematic Universe

Thor:

Forgot Thor dropped out of the Sky in New Mexico of all places lmao. Darcy my beloved.

This movie is making me emotional like a minute in. They haven’t even introduced Lokes yet don’t cry don’t cry don’t cry

really gives Star Wars x Lord of the rings energy huh

YEA THOR AND LOKI. Loki’s child casting is ridiculously impeccable though…same nose, facial expressions, we sure this kid ain’t Tom’s?

POOR SWEET SUMMER CHILD LOKI YOU HAVE NO IDEA

When I saw Sif I made this face. 😏 Wow the way they delayed Adult! Loki reveal for dramatic effect. And when I saw him I made this face 😩 and giggled like a schoolgirl. Hnnng I can’t handle Sifki in the same frame they’re too fine. Ok shut up simp.

ZOOM IN ON FRIGGA AT “FIRSTBORN” Obviously they just wanted to show his mom, and they may not have known Hela would be Odin’s daughter when making Thor, but fuck it is funny in hindsight.

ZOOM IN ON LOKI AT SELFISH AMBITION been there Lokes I get ya. They look….so damn good in silver, can we have Loki in Silver again?

Young Thor has anger issues, I forgot how hotheaded he was. wow he’s come a long way…or is that the inconsistent writing…

Loki: judges you in bisexual. Also Loki: don’t be suspicious don’t be suspicious

I forgot about Hogun I feel bad

Don’t go to Jotunheim that will start Loki’s villain arc and spiral into the entire infinity saga

Heimdall told Loki he wasn’t dressed warm enough the foreshadowing. WHEN BIFROST ACTIVATED TO GO TO JOTUNHEIM LOKI GOT ZAPPED FIRST. Where are the frost giants? *camera pans to Loki* there is SO much foreshadowing in this scene, also to Loki being a backstabbing little bitchsicle

Loki’s personality and character voice has been the same for 12 years stop complaining antis. Also thank Tom for that!

Loki should have played off “run back home, little princess” as Laufey referring to them, not Thor. Maybe chaos wouldn’t ensue. Thor you are a rambunctious irresponsible nightmare. You make Loki look cool and calculated, which they are, unless they’re having a psychotic break. Loki really would be and was a better ruler.

FIRST LOKI KNIFE THROW

While that scene is heartbreaking, Loki and the frost giant looking at each other in confusion will never not be funny

Loki saved Fandral awwww I ship it

I like this Thor better. He got too goofy and himbo later. He’s a golden retriever, but a jumpy, bitey golden retriever that tries to pick up sticks that are too big and get it into danger.

Loki was so scared this whole movie. His face is just…filled with dread half the time poor kitten

The love of Thor’s life during Thor: doing fancy science experiments, hanging with her friends, living her best nerd life. The love of Loki’s life during Thor: watches people die gruesome deaths, chokes on ash from supervolcano, narrowly avoids getting sucked into black hole, nearly drowns in mega tsunami, almost gets incinerated by nuke.

Until Sylvie, only Darcy could match Loki’s sheer level of chaos gremlin

Stop punching for 3 seconds Thor or I swear to god I’m gonna punch my television

“Thor is reckless and dangerous” you’re one to talk, Loki

The way Sif says Loki’s name, the way she reaches out to him first, as if she knows her sway on him…hmmm. Fandral jumping to defend Loki as if he himself has been offended….hmmmm.

“Am I cursed” thank you I will be crying though the whole scene. The way he tries to stay collected and just loses his shit…(I actually did cry and had to cut myself a slice of cake)

“Why do you twist my words” he has BPD Odin, that’s your fault

Thor: ANOTHER. Jane: no smashing, unless you’re smashing me

There is such a marked difference in how Loki acts after finding out he’s Jotun, down to the shaky way Tom delivers his lines. Loki is trying to put on this mask of grandeur and poise, when he’s so clearly…broken. How do I reach through the screen and tell him I love him? Loki is king, what he’s wanted forever, and he can’t even enjoy it. He is absolutely devastated. FuCK. But also, he’s having cynical fun with it. He’s had a terrible day, he’s done with everyone’s bullshit, and he’s decided to do whatever he fucking wants

He’s decided to become what everyone wanted from him…He found out he’s Jotun, and he wants to purge that from history and become someone he could never be…

He and Sif soooooo obviously have history, like how did I miss this? There also may be a bit of subtext with Fandral… Loki my Bi king

Also they are so androgynously beautiful this movie, Loki my genderfluid queen

Loki on earth: I will intentionally attract attention by being sexy. Thor on earth: I will unintentionally attract attention by acting like an alien, which I am

Loki’s only real friend is his mother. Unfortunately, I relate.

Jane and Thor are a better fit than I remember. They’re both impulsive, adventurous, but she mellows him out and is his voice of reason. He brings her out of her shell, keeps her life exciting.

Sup Clint

Thor is kinda cute, but too manly for me. My type is tomboys and femboys and everything in between.

I feel like Loki, yelling at Thor through the tv to calm the fuck down and stop hitting people and just sit his ass down and make a fucking plan. Thor and his hammer I swear to god. Maybe if you calmed tf down, you’d be worthy again, you hotheaded arrogant fool

Cinematography popping offfff

Loki: Father is dead. Me: YOU LYING SACK OF ✨beauty✨ *tries to be angry at Loki, literally drools instead* Loki: you are still banished. Me: you little shit! (affectionate). I hate you so much (sexually frustrated)

Loki and Mjolnir. The way he was frustrated, then angry, then heartbroken, but never hopeful. He knew he was never gonna pick that hammer up, but he still tried and failed. He looked like he was gonna yell, then looked like he was gonna cry…baby baby nooo

I’m really just Loki lite. Or Loki is me on a really bad day. Like when it’s 4:am and I’m considering murdering my grandmother. I’ll be like…jeez, am I really that much like Loki? He does some really fucked up stuff. Then I realize that if I was in the same situation, I would do the exact same thing. Psychologically, we are nearly identical. I also have the same gender, sexuality, skin, hair and eye color. I may be a variant, send help.

Marry me Lady Sif

Not Loki showing empathy…no one tell that corner of the fandom that idolizes his worst self and thinks he’s nothing but a cold hearted self obsessed psychopath. Did anyone really think that Robot punch was gonna kill Thor? The hulk hits harder than that. Loki was going easy on him. He does care, somewhere deep in his whole…mess. He never truly wanted to kill Thor, he just thought he did. I don’t think he could have gone through with it either. If he did, killing Thor might have killed him too. Look up splitting in bpd, and you’ll get it.

The plot of this movie is just: Loki has a breakdown

Ok I’m tearing up again at 4:40 am in the morning because sad popsicle just wants to feel loved…but he’s already loved…they just can’t believe anyone would love them for who they are… so he self sabotages bc deep down…they don’t feel worthy of the love they desperately crave *has a breakdown myself*

Loki is just me when I have a borderline personality disorder rage episode, provoke people by saying hurtful shit, and wanna jump off a bridge afterwards ngl

If you destroy the bridge you’ll never see her again…Loki trying to manipulate Thor, or Loki being a hopeless romantic and caring…a bit of both.

Loki’s su!c!de attempt genuinely made me cry, especially because I know he survives actual physical and psychological torture afterwards, and does things that likely haunt him forever. I wish I could tell him that a few years down the line, he will know his family and everyone in Asgard pitied him, loved him, mourned him, and in another timeline he will meet someone who will make him feel understood and validated and seen the way he thought impossible. It’s also making me worry about Sylvie attempting the same next season because…Loki and Sylvie are cut from the same cloth and as they said, they truly have been where she is now and felt what she feels.

End credit scene…I see you Lokes

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

https://www.salon.com/2021/07/09/loki-sylvie-marvel-multiverse/ What do you think?

OMG what an awful load of crap 🤦‍♀️😂😂 I mean... where do I start?!!

So according to the critic, the traits that define Loki are: a talent for deceit, self-preservation, escape and betrayal. He's "a simple, narcissistic troublemaker", he "backstabs", his instinct is "to betray allies in the hope of gaining the upper hand."

What does the author say of Sylvie? She has a self-taught power to enchant people which is "beyond Loki's imagining". Her fighting skills are "superior to his", she has "supreme logic", "she relies on skill, intelligence and wit", and they speak of her "bravery and ingenuity."

Isn't it funny that most of those are only measured by whether she is better than Loki or not? It's like they can only judge her as a superior being otherwise she's nothing. Oh, it's also telling that they say her murders of the TVA agents make her "formidable". If it was Loki the one to have done that they would call him a villain.

But this line is crazy:

[The series was] an opportunity to add another woman to the pantheon who isn't fragile, or mad, or Thor in female form, i.e. Tessa Thompson's Valkyrie or Lady Sif. [...] Valkyrie and Sif are, essentially, female Thor equivalents.

It's crazy to me mostly because while I love them both I can definitely agree their characters should have been written better, but is the author seriously telling me that Sylvie is in any way, shape or form better written than Valkyrie? Are you kidding me? 😂😂

And by the way, I'm not an expert on this but is it just me or this paragraph is insulting to genderfluid folks?

Tricksters like Loki are gender-fluid beings. He's transformed into Lady Loki in the comic books but, and this is key, he always returns to his male form.

And so? Loki is still genderfluid. The way he chooses to present (not "transform", that's a bad word to describe it, right?) or how long he does so is irrelevant. Again, I'm not an expert on this so apologies if I got it wrong.

Lastly, it's kind of telling that the author thinks the fact that Sylvie is a woman "grants her a place of power in a cinematic universe." It doesn't. We can't tell the studios that we're okay with women on screen no matter how well or how badly they're written. What's the point then? We should demand more, yes, but we should demand better too. Sylvie has no arc in the series, she can only be defined as "better than", her actions are not heroic in the slightest and if anything it's a little sexist to paint her as this angel who has never done anything wrong when she should be allowed to be what she is: a self-absorbed villain who only seeks her own personal wants.

But this last paragraph.... if the rest of the article is bad, this part is unbelievable. I copied and pasted this, it's literal:

Loki comes to realize that the characteristics that have long defined what it means to be him – a talent for deceit, self-preservation, escape and betrayal – are not virtues. This understanding comes from being with Sylvie, a woman who was neither defined nor coddled like Loki or the rest of his kind. Nobody told Sylvie she shouldn't be anything other than what she is, so she created herself. Eventually she wound up stealing a show with a man's name in the title, making it as much about her as it is about him. That, friends, is a goddess-level trickster move.

No, it's not. Feminism is not about brushing off the crimes committed by a woman just because she is a woman, while at the same time throwing the man under the bus, invalidating his experiences and cheering at the concept of a woman beating him. That is nothing like feminism and IDGAF how many times we're called misogynists for this. We should have more female tricksters? Hell yeah, I'd love that. But Sylvie is not a trickster in the show, not even close. She's a villain. And you can't take Loki's crimes and judge him as a "betrayer" then look at what Sylvie has done and call her "formidable".

[primewritessmut]

🛒🎢👀🧠 (Mobius AND LokI 'cause I'm greedy) 🤲✅

Oi! Look at our cute little matching PFPs!

🛒 What are some common things you incorporate in your fics? Themes, feels, scenes, imagery, etc.

I’ve been told I put a lot of knives in my stories. And also that they’re very brutal in their way which, for real, was something that had to be POINTED OUT TO ME because I had no idea. It’s one of those things, I think, where you’re just trucking along in your own little brain thinking your fucked up little ideas are normal and then someone rolls up and gets a look inside and is like, “wow, this place is really bringing down the property value for the rest of the neighborhood.”

Other themes that I am aware that I write: Seeing the Other, Love in Spite of (and Sometimes Because of) Flaws, and Everyone is a Little Bit of an Asshole.

I tend to use ocean and space imagery when talking about love and the realization that one character is in love with another. There’s something about the vastness and unknowability of those two places that I think is very akin to how we understand love (i.e. not very well).

And I’m a sucker for scenes where characters help each other get dressed. There’s just something so domestic and intimate about it while at the same time having implications of staking your claim on this person in a subtle way (“wear this shirt that I picked out for you”) or offering them some form of protection against the world. I don’t think I write it as much as I would like to, but I do know it's popped up a few times.

🎢 Which of your fics would you call your wildest ride?

Hmm. she’s not going to die today, maybe? Mostly because there were a few times while writing that story that I audibly gasped at something either Peter or Wade had done. It’s also a true enemies to lovers story which, I think, is always inherently a ride.

In terms of just buckling in and enjoying the ride, though, I’d have to give the title to A Particular Set of Skills. I knew it was probably the last time I’d write those characters and so I gave them a lot of free rein to just be balls to the wall and silly and bloody and terrible and funny.

👀 Tell me about an up and coming wip please!

DUDE. You already know about literally every wip I have going.

I don’t know which one I’m most excited about but I’m currently in my Lokius era and have two that I think will be fun to write.

There’s a post-canon fic for Sylvie (working title: love is an apocalypse event) where she meets her own Mobius variant (Margot) in Broxton which I think I’m most stoked for as a chance to write more wlw/sapphic stuff. Well, that and getting back to writing something a little more antagonistic because, let’s face it, Sylvie is the equivalent of a wasp trying to fly up your nose.

And a modern Mobius/Loki AU (working title: Midori Sour) where Mobius is a bartender/restaurant manager at the bar where Loki keeps bringing all his first dates. And, of course, Mobius enjoys watching because (1) Loki is nice to look at and (2) all the dates tend to end in disaster.

🧠 Pick a character, and I'll tell you my favorite headcanon for them.

Mobius is on the ace spec (probably demi) and he’s a service top. Also, that goofy little dude has a choking kink (being choked) that I’m excited to explore at some point.

Loki likes to watch as much as Mobius does. There are so many moments in canon where Loki is looking at Mobius or paying attention to what he does when it makes zero sense to do so. As I think you said when reading one of the Daggers chapters: “that boy is lost in the sauce.”

As far as the two of them together? They absolutely, positively utilize Loki’s shape-shifting abilities when fucking. I think it embarrasses Loki at first, but Mobius is so excited and enthusiastic about it that— Oh wait. Heeeeey, new fic idea. (I’m sure that already exists, but I’m going to be thinking about it a lot today anyway.)

🤲 Would you please share a snippet of a wip?

The struggle of trying to find a snippet that I haven’t already c/p into your inbox the second I wrote it…

He won’t remember this but Loki will, and Mobius can’t decide which is worse.

“Hey,” he says, cupping Loki’s jaw, “it’s me.”

“I know it’s you. I know, but—“

“No.” Mobius pulls Loki’s face down to his and presses his forehead against Loki's. “No. It’s always me. Along every point in the timeline I give a shit about you, Loki. Don’t forget that.”

Loki’s shoulders drop on an exhale and Mobius smooths his palms down the sides of Loki’s neck to his drooping shoulders. Loki leans in closer, tucking his face into the crook of Mobius’s neck while Mobius threads his fingers through strands of raven black hair.

A sad laugh heats the side of Mobius’s throat. “It would be a lot easier if you didn’t,” Loki mumbles. “But I’m far too selfish to wish for it.”

✅ What's something that appears in your fics over and over and over again, even if you don't mean to?

Lists of threes. Like, I know threes are a thing in literature but I am HYPER aware of whenever I'm listing out traits or giving examples of something in exposition. There's a rhythm to it that feels broken if it's not a list of three.

I know there are snippets of dialogue and specific phrases I use over and over again, but I'm coming up blank on them right now. I'm sure the next time I'm editing they are all I'm going to see, though.

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[emeraldcast]

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It had been a long time since he'd last seen Charles—thousands of years in fact—though he wasn't certain how long it had been for Charles. It was hard to track time in the TVA, and it had only become that much more complex ever since he'd started time slipping. The new loom was failing, no matter what he tried and universes; both old and new were being killed off as a result. It felt like he was doomed to fail no matter what he did, and it was his friends, the people he cared about most who were the ones paying the price.

He knew one way he could stop it from happening, He Who Remains had told him as much. If he killed Sylvie, the 'sacred timeline' would remain intact and stable...but it would mean that the branched timelines were doomed to be destroyed to prevent the multiverse from. It was a loose-loose situation. Loki didn't want to kill Sylvie, he cared for her, they were variants of the same person, but he also didn't want his friends to die and the TVA to be destroyed.

He didn't want to be alone.

He knew he had to make a choice. It was a choice he was reluctant to make because even if it would save his friends and the people he loved, he'd never get to see them again. Loki had already gone back in time to hear Mobius' thoughts on the situation, but there was one more person whose opinion Loki valued that he wanted to see.

Charles always had a unique insight into things. He was highly intelligent (probably rivaling Loki's own intellect), open minded, pragmatic and more importantly, he wasn't afraid of saying what he truly thought, even if it could be perceived as insulting. Loki didn't have that many people like that in his life. "So much has changed since we last saw one another." With a flick of his hand, he summoned his own cup of tea and raised it to his lips. "I imagine if you were to pry you'd be sitting there for days sorting through it all." A small joke, something to ease the tension he felt int he air.

"I know I am prone to....pessimistic thinking. I have faced much disappointment in life, so I come to expect it. Having hope? It can be dangerous." He'd watched his hopes be destroyed over and over in an endless loop for thousands of years whilst trying to get the loom fixed...and even before that, his path in life hadn't exactly been sunshine and roses. "Expect the worse and when it happens it can never surprise you." He took another sip of his tea. "I can't spiral. Too many people are relying on me, too much is at stake to permit such a thing." He let out a heavy sigh and put his tea down. "The people I care for...I am trying to save them but they—" He didn't know how to finish that sentence. He didn't know how to even begin explaining the catastrophe he was facing. "—How do you make an impossible choice?"

[17outoftheblue]

I Would Never Fall In Love Anymore

It didn’t fall altogether at the same time.

My whole world crumbled except it wasn’t like a glass falling on the floor, more like a cookie crumble from being eaten.

It was subtle, but sudden.

The kiss after our weekly dinner felt just fine, it was warm, a little fuzzy, and still full of love. The way you hold my hand and smelled me entire evening made me feel like this was not even possible.

You and the way you said “I love you.”

I always love your dark brown hair and hazel eyes, the eyes that make you special (and you knew it too), the way you talk in such passion about Italian food (even though the only Italian blood running in your family was from your GREAT grandmother), and the way you smelled like sweat, cigarettes, commercial-use perfume, and body fluids.

I also love your sense of humour. It was so petty, sometimes bland, mostly ironic. Talk so much about your personality. The personality I would really hate if my work colleagues ever have one.

Thank god I love you.

You were strong on the outside. Like a shell on a clam. Like a great big dam. Like a thousand years old rock.

You held so much rage and anger, you contained everything inside you, it made you seem like a giant big red star waiting to explode like the Big Bang.

You were a supernova.

Our breakup was a supernova.

It killed many, but created many too. Created a whole bunch of multiverses and releasing us from the ‘Sacred Timeline’.

Our breakup happened at the time when Sylvie and Loki killed He Who Remains.

Days before our breakup I realised how much of a gentlemen you were. You were never mad at me, you never raised your voice first at me, you always tried to make me happy.

Except you weren’t

You were coming home from work, we were both kinda tired from a long exhausted day. I wanted you to pick up Chinese food because that was what you were supposed to do. But you didn’t.

“You said you’d do it? Was that so hard for you to do? You literally walked past it, oh my god!”

“Why didn’t you get it? You never care about me. Never. Why do I always have to remind you about every fucking thing. Why don’t you care about our relationship?”

“For fuck’s sake, I was tired! Get and doordash or something, god.”

And of course we fought. Because that’s the one thing we are really good at.

You were also bad at communication.

“How many times do I have to do this anymore? Talk! Talk to me about what you feel!”

“Do you still love me?”

“I don’t know…”

“What do you want?”

“I don’t know… I’m afraid.”

You are always afraid.

You are always afraid until you don’t realize that’s what killed you. Killed us.

Killed the giant big red star.

You never had the confidence to love. All you wanted to do was make me happy.

What’s happiness if it’s based on fear?

Fear that made you fucked up big time. Twice. And it’s the same mistake. BOTH because you were too afraid.

I know you regret it. I know it was a mistake. I know you regret making the same mistakes twice.

You kept too much on the inside. Kept your anger just for yourself.

Do you know why I never remember what you did wrong unless I try to?

Because right after you did it, I confronted you. I told you exactly what was bothering me. We fought at that time, of course, but I always forget about it the next day.

My only regret is that I found out that you didn’t. You never forget our fight. That’s why you were always afraid.

You need to be mad at me, like mad MAD, like the kind of screaming at my face angry, crying at my face, melting down, raging, everything. Because that’s the only way we’re gonna forget.

We don’t remember fights, we move on.

If time-machine existed, I wish that I’d remind us to have an alone time to just scream at each other, release our toxins and everything. It would be so healthy for both of us.

You were always afraid because I had many expectations.

That was probably my fault. We first got together at a late-night Jazz bar of course. That probably wasn’t the real me.

I wanted Valentine’s Day gifts. I wanted you occasionally asking me on cliché dates. I wanted late-night calls. I wanted being… loved. I wanted to be loved by you.

I know it made you feel like you weren’t enough. But I can’t agree to that.

Part of me try to convince myself that I’m not ‘the one’, that’s why you weren’t willing to give me a lot of things.

While part of me is convinced that you weren’t confident enough to say that your love was actually enough. That you actually love me as much as you did.

I know you loved me dearly. You gave me everything. That our love grew just from the way we were communicating better at each other.

The way we kept doing late-night calls and you excitedly sending me voice-notes of you singing.

You loved me. Your love didn’t change like you said. We changed.

Your love remains the same. It just the excitement that went away because you were afraid, you were unconfident, you were tired, you didn’t understand.

When I said to put a little bit more faith in yourself I meant that to believe that you CAN love dearly. You CAN be excited. You CAN give your whole to someone.

You did it to me. You just didn’t realise it.

You have a big, hard, heart. Like the center of the sun.

Sun is warm and bright because she rages. You need to rage to. Feel emotions deeply and sharing it. Hold me as you rage to my face. Release all the flame you saved up. It’s enough. Enough to make you burn brightly like a star. Like the center of the universe.

You just need to believe. Believe that there will be a place for a supernova like you.

You are big, bright, hard as a rock, but you are also weak, soft on the core, and shy.

You exploded so bright that you were reborn. You are waiting to be the next giant red star like once.

One day, planets are going to revolve around you. I know because I was once into your gravity too. I am still a floating particles after the supernova, preparing to revolve around you again.

You had days when you were super hot and inhabitable. You probably remembered the time you did something wrong better than I do, but all I can think about is the warm days. I can’t remember anything bad anymore.

I just heard that you are going to move across states. You finally got that job you always wanted. Congratulations.

Just remember that I always going to be there when you burn. I’m going to contain everything like earth did when the sun was too hot. I’m going to mold as you do because we do be on the same universe.

Even though now we created multiverses but we always going to be in every universe, moving and turning as the world spins in our hands.

As the stars keep falling down from the sky one by one.

As we burn together.

Rage like the sun, baby. Burn as bright as a the sun. Release flame again and again until scientists on earth are able to capture your light and documented you on every book available.

Feel every fire, every emotions, every anger, sadness, open yourself up until your flames can reach every part of our galaxy.

You deserve to feel like a star.

You just gotta let yourself burn.

Yours Truly,

your favourite satelite.

[musclesandhammering]

Every Single Issue I Have With S*lki (It’s Not Just The Selfcest)

Here goes. I threatened to post this a few days ago and never did, but I just saw a s*lki stan Twitter account claim that Loki caring about Sylvie more than the whole multiverse was a Good And Romantic thing and it pushed me over the fucking edge, so now you all have to read this. I’ve divided it into categories cause there’s just THAT much.

OOC Bullshit

• First and foremost, no amount of mental gymnastics you do will ever make me believe that this specific Loki- the one that just invaded New York, that just came off a year of Thanos Torture, that just got done being influenced by the sceptre, that was literally in the middle of a crisis already, and then on top of that went through all the trauma of Ep 1- would even be worried about a romantic relationship. That would be the furthest thing from his mind. Go back and watch how he acted in Avengers- you think that guy would abandon his previous mission to become a snivelling simp for a girl he’d just met 3 days prior? Yeah, there’s no universe in which that makes sense.

• “It’s very in character for Loki to fall in love with himself lololol-“ NO, it’s literally not. Out of all the characters in the mcu, I don’t think I can think of anyone that genuinely hates themselves more than Loki. He even referred to all his other male variants as “monsters” and said meeting them was “a nightmare” in this series. He’s got so much self-loathing, plus the fact that he genuinely thinks himself to be an evil backstabbing scourge- so there’s no evidence at all suggesting that he would ever develop a fondness for, or even be inclined to trust, another version of himself, after only knowing them for 3 days.

• Building on that, the whole concept of Loki falling in love with a version of himself just feeds into the annoying ass misconception that he’s a narcissist. No matter which way you stack it, he’s not. If you’re referring to NPD, he doesn’t fit the criteria, and if you’re saying “narcissist” just as a slang term meaning “selfish and arrogant”, that still doesn’t accurately describe him. But when creators like Waldron and Herron do things like having him fall in love with himself, it makes it so much easier for casual viewers to think that he is.

Shitty LGBT Rep

• It’s kinda sus that Loki’s are allegedly genderfluid and yet the only female-presenting variant we see (and apparently the only female-presenting variant there is, cause the male Loki’s all seemed unfamiliar with the concept) is treated as some kind of mind-bogglingly special paradox. Also very sus that, out of all the Loki variants, the one our Loki falls in love with just so happens to be the only female one. What a coincidence.

• The fact that the creators of the show went around bragging about Loki’s bisexuality and Marvel purposefully (lbr) allowed stories about Loki possibly having a male love interest to circulate, specifically enticing queer viewers to watch the show (you know, the definition of queerbaiting), and then instead of having a male love interest (Loki was the first queer main character, so it was the perfect opportunity) they gave us *gestures to this dumpster fire* this… it’s just a middle finger to LGBT fans. The fact that they would rather have this relationship with all its myriad of problems than have a gay relationship is just……. Very telling.

• While him being with a woman obviously doesn’t refute his bisexuality, the fact that they showed/talked about him being interested in 3 different women (flight attendant, Sylvie, Sif) and never even hinted at him being attracted to a man, definitely makes it seem like they were trying to cover up his bisexuality to smooth things over with the more homophobic viewers. You know? It’s like “I know you’re pissed that we sorta confirmed Loki as bi, so we promise we’ll never mention it again! Or even hint at it! As a matter of fact, we’ll give him lots of female lovies and make him seem as straight as possible! That’ll take your mind off of that horrible crumb of queer rep, right? Please please please keep giving us your money!!!”

• Aside from all the other issues, at its core, the biggest reason why I think I’m so irritated with s*lki is that it took one of the most interesting, complex, and diverse characters in cinema atm and squished him into a tired ass unnecessary heteronormative subplot…. Like literally every. single. other. protagonist. ever. Loki is such a unique character, and it’s so so so incredibly disappointing that they stuck him into that same boring cookie cutter romance that happens to every other character in every other movie I’ve ever seen. It’s a disservice, and it’s honestly just not compelling or entertaining at all.

Thematic Issues Galore

• His arc didn’t need a romance. With anyone. It was unnecessary and it didn’t make sense plot-wise. In fact, one of the reasons he was my fav prior to this was because he was the only big-name mcu character whose story wasn’t muddied-up by a romance that didn’t need to be there. So much for that.

• He wasn’t emotionally ready for a romantic relationship with anyone. Hell, just a genuine friendship would’ve been pushing it for him at this point. He was in such a bad state that any relationship he got into would’ve been toxic and unhealthy for both him and the other person, and it doesn’t make sense why the writers would want to put him in one when there were so many cons and essentially no pros (other than “Uwu aren’t they cute together”).

• Sylvie’s character in general was unnecessary and Loki’s character was robbed just by her being there. The whole show became about her post-Ep 2. They spent most of the time giving her backstory, building her up, telling us how awesome she is, trying to convince us to like her, etc when what they really needed to be doing was building Loki up- cause I gotta say, if I had to describe TVA!Loki in a few words, they would be Flat, Boring, and Weak.

• The romance overtakes the plot. They spend time portraying their supposed connection that could’ve been spent adding depth and complexity to literally any of the characters. They make the big Nexus Event them giving each other googly eyes on Lamentis when it could’ve been so many other way more profound things that speak to the fundamental nature of Loki’s. They have the climax of the finale be “oh no she betrayed him to kill He Who Remains” when it could’ve been something way more compelling (Loki having a moral crisis over whether or not to kill HWR, Loki contemplating the state of the multiverse and weighing the pros and cons of freedom vs order, Loki looking into some What If situations and getting emotional about what could’ve been regarding his family, Loki realising the gravity of HWR’s offer and finally coming to terms with how important he is to the universal cycle, etc etc). The entire plot suffered in favour of a romance that half of us didn’t even want.

• It essentially reduced all of Loki’s potential character growth down to “He did it for his crush.” He seemed to at least have some motivations of his own in Ep 1-2 (feeble as they were) but after Sylvie showed up in Ep 3, literally every action he took was just him being a simp for her. Why did he lie in the interrogation? To try to protect Sylvie. Why did he fight the minutemen and Timekeepers? To survive kinda, but mostly cause it was important to Sylvie. Why did he get pruned? Cause he got distracted trying to confess his crush to Sylvie. Why did he try to get out of The Void? Cause he thought Sylvie needed him. Why did he stay in The Void? Cause Sylvie was staying. Why did he try to enchant Alioth? Cause Sylvie told him to. Why did the multiverse get cracked open, leading to an infinite number of Kangs waging war on all of existence? Cause Loki didn’t wanna hurt Sylvie in their fight at the Citadel and then get distracted by her kissing him. It’s uninteresting and honestly pretty embarrassing.

• Throughout their “relationship arc” the writers do their absolute damndest to convince us that we should like Sylvie more than Loki. And you know what? It’s the most hypocritical shit I’ve ever seen. They preach and preach about how Sylvie’s life has been so difficult/we should feel bad for her/she had it so bad/poor poor sylvie/she had it SO much worse than pampered prince Loki…. But then they never even touch on any of Loki’s trauma of hardships (the ones that have been ignored for literally 3 movies now). They frame Sylvie as a good person and a Freedom Fighter after she spent literal decades/centuries mass-murdering brainwashed TVA agents and showing exactly zero remorse for it….. but then they make it their mission to constantly remind us that Loki is a terrible person and constantly put him in situations where he’s forced to acknowledge his wrongdoings/show remorse/admit to how “evil” he is for being a mass murderer for like 2 years. They show him on-screen having a wider range of powers than her, and perpetuate his whole shtick of being a “master manipulator” or whatever….. But then they make Sylvie “the brawn” more competent, intelligent, and physically capable than him. Tell me how it’s a good thing for a ship to be so narratively biased toward one character.

Missed Opportunities

• If they absolutely had to have a romance subplot, then they could’ve paired Loki with one of the characters that have already been established OR one of the characters that were a big part of the whole TVA storyline anyway. It would’ve been so interesting if they’d revealed that Loki had a history with some of the players from previous films (Sif and Fandral both come to mind). It also would’ve been really interesting if they’d given Loki a love interest that actually had some allegiance to the TVA as a whole (Mobius maybe, but not necessarily. It also could’ve been Renslayer or B-15). Hell, imo it would’ve been cool if they’d followed through with that “See you again someday” line that he said to the flight attendant in Ep 1. ALL of these characters have way more chemistry with him than Sylvie, and they were also already relevant to the plot without wasting half the show to give background info on them.

• If they absolutely had to have a hetero-presenting love story involving an enchantress-type figure, then there’s a whole Enchantress (Amora) that was actually Loki’s love interest in the comics. Plus, fans have been screaming for Amora to appear in the mcu for years. Plus, Tom literally pitched an Amora/Loki storyline way back in 2012-13. Also, Lorelei (another enchantress) is also one of Loki’s love interests in the comics, and she already exists in the mcu (she was on Agents of SHIELD). There were several different established characters for them to choose from. Creating a whole knew amalgamation of a character and going with the “she’s a Loki variant” storyline was just completely unnecessary and made no sense.

• They completely robbed us of a Chaos Twins dynamic. Had they handled Sylvie better and not forced her and Loki to smooch, the two of them could’ve had a really really complex and interesting sibling relationship. Loki could’ve stepped into Thor’s shoes and sort of used that new role to gain some self importance, and Sylvie could’ve finally had somebody to look out for her/teach her magic/be there for her. It would’ve been very aesthetically pleasing, the vibes would’ve been out of this world, it would’ve been way more profound than this bs, and frankly it would’ve been much more entertaining to watch.

• Loki’s relationship (read: obsession) with Sylvie completely overshadows all Loki’s other relationships in the show. Loki and Mobius were literally the focal point of the series in Ep 1-2, but after Sylvie showed up in Ep 3, they barely had any interactions with each other, and Mobius pretty much faded to the background entirely. Loki had the beginnings of a pretty interesting antagonistic relationship with Renslayer (with her wanting him pruned, then arguing with Mobius that he couldn’t be trusted), but after Sylvie showed up the dynamic shifted to focus on the history between her and Ravonna. Loki and B-15 started off very badly and openly disliked each other throughout Ep 1-2, and then in the end of Ep 2, Loki showed a little bit of concern for her when she was possessed, hinting that they might be inching toward a reconciliation- especially considering how obvious it was that Loki was gonna uncover the TVA’s sins eventually. There was so much potential for him to be the one to give her her memories back and convince her to change sides, but no, of course that honor went to Sylvie. In fact, after Sylvie showed up, Loki and B-15 never even spoke to each other again.

Various S*lki Fails

• If they were trying to convince us that this affection was mutual, they completely failed. There’s nothing I’ve seen that even hints at Sylvie feeling the same way about Loki that he does about her. At most, I’d say she has a slight endearment to him. She finds him likeable and she’s grudgingly fond of him, but she definitely isn’t in love with the guy. Maybe she thinks he’s cute and hopes that he gets out of this mess alright, but her mission obviously comes before him- whereas, it’s been confirmed multiple times that Loki cares about her above anything else. She doesn’t trust him, she looks at him like he’s an incompetent fool half the time, she shows little to no reaction during most of his confession moments, and she kissed him as a means to distract him so that she could get him out of her way. Look, all I’m saying is, when you get into a relationship where one of you is way more invested than the other, it never ends well.

• This goes without saying for a lot of us, but the selfcest is just straight up odd and cringey. If you’re cool with that sort of thing, fine! People can ship what they want! But don’t pretend it’s not at least a little bit uncomfortable. Yes, I know they’re not technically siblings so it’s not technically incest, and they’re also not technically the exact same person, but they’re similar enough that it makes things weird. And yes I know selfcest can’t happen in real life, so there’s no way to judge it morally, but neither can most of the other stuff that happens in these shows/movies (the Snap, Loki destroying jotunheim, superhero with powers being held accountable, mind control) and yet we still find ways to judge their morality, because they all mirror real-world events. (The snap= genocide; Loki destroying Jotunheim= bombing other countries; superhero accountability= weapons accountability; mind control= grooming and coercion). And lbr the closest real-world mirror to two versions of the same person (who may or may not share DNA, family, backgrounds, physical and emotion characteristics) being romantically involved with one another is incest. And you can be ok with that if you want- that’s your prerogative- but don’t get pissy just cause a lot of us are squicked out by it.

• The whole mirror metaphor (learning self love via each other) thing just fell completely flat. First of all, having Loki learn to love himself by looking at someone who mirrors him did not, in any way shape or form, require them to be romantically involved. But they were. Of course. Secondly, the creators have contradicted themselves so many times on whether Loki and Sylvie are the same or not, that it doesn’t even really register to the viewer that the mirroring thing was what they were going for. Finally, Loki and Sylvie are shown to have so little in common- and to have only the most bare minimum of similarities personality-wise- that it doesn’t even make sense that Loki would “learn to love himself through loving her”. Like? They’re nothing alike. So how would he make the connection that he himself is actually pretty cool, based on her alone? There’s virtually nothing in her that reflects him.

• I know the objective of the entire show was to convince us of how awesome and unique Sylvie is, but honestly her relationship with Loki just did the opposite. A hallmark of a Mary Sue is having her constantly upstage the male lead, and then having him instantly fall madly in love with her anyway. And that’s.. exactly what happened here. Everything they’re doing to try to force her character to be more stan-able is really just forcing her to look more like their self-insert OC. Which is exactly what she is. It would’ve been so much more satisfying if she didn’t have to try so hard to look cool, if they didn’t have to try so hard to make her backstory tear-inducing, if they didn’t have to turn our protagonist into a snivelling simp just to prove how incredible she supposedly is. Very much #GirlBoss energy and we all know how performative and cheap that is.

• The entire thing was too rushed, there was too little build-up, and it was nowhere near believable. As stated above, it’s ridiculously unlikely that Loki would canonically even be interested in Sylvie, and this show did nothing to explain why he was. He just suddenly was. There was nothing they showed us as viewers that would justify a guy as closed-off and preoccupied as Loki falling head-over-heels for a girl he just met. Their was no explanation, no big revelation, no reasoning, it just… kinda happened. And I’m also severely skeptical of any love story that has the characters go in this deep after only 3 45-minute episodes of exposition.

I’m sure there’s other stuff, so if anyone thinks of anything, let me know and I’ll be more than happy to add it. Tagging @janetsnakehole02 @raifenlf @natures-marvel and @brightredsunset800 for expressing interest. This is all your faults.

[ailendolin]

After my previous meta post about Loki, Sylvie and self-love vs. self-acceptance, I felt the need to talk a bit about Mobius and Loki as well, especially this scene:

Because this scene is important for several reasons.

1. Believing in someone

Mobius plainly states here that he believes in Loki - in his Loki at least. Even after he was betrayed by him, Mobius not only trusts him enough to follow up on the accusations against the TVA, he also trusts him when it comes to Sylvie. This is huge for someone who told us just two episodes ago that the TVA is his life, that it’s real because he believes it’s real. Mobius’s whole world has been turned upside down by Loki’s revelation and yet he chooses to believe the God of Lies over everything he’s ever known - and unlike Hunter B-15 he does all of that without seeing his own memories as proof. Loki broke his reality alright.

2. Having someone believe in you

Then there’s Loki’s angle. He meets this man who knows everything about him - every rotten thing he’s ever done and has the potential to do - and yet still believes in him and even considers him his friend. Again, this is huge because as far as we know, Loki has never formed a real connection with anyone outside of his family before. There’s Sylvie, yes, but Sylvie is him in a sense, and loving her, caring about her (platonically or romantically) will always be about himself in some way. With Mobius, it’s different. They’re not two sides of the same coin, they’re two completely separate people who by all rights shouldn’t like each other, much less believe in each other - and yet they do. They trust each other so much they even allow themselves to be vulnerable in front of the other (case in point: Loki falling asleep at the desk and Mobius dropping the friend line, making it clear that this is personal). Their relationship, whatever that may be, might not be enough to cause a Nexus Event but it’s still beautiful and completely new for both of them.

3. Fate and Freedom

But the most important and interesting aspect of this scene is the fact that what Mobius says is completely true. For the first time in his life, Loki can actually choose his own path. He can be whoever and whatever he wants to be, even someone good, because he’s no longer shackled to the Sacred Timeline. He’s finally free and can choose his own fate. And he’s not the only one. All those other versions of him - Sylvie, the four we see in the after credits scene, and probably many more - are or will be free as well. They’re no longer destined to lose. Just imagine looking into a thousand mirrors and realizing how different your life could have been. I mean, just look at the Loki who’s holding what might be his version of Mjolnir of all things! If that doesn’t symbolize that Loki had the potential to be worthy and good all along I don’t know what does. And it doesn’t stop there. If Loki’s bond with Sylvie was strong enough to create an unprecedented Nexus Event, just think about what will happen if he forms similar connections with the other Lokis, or they between each other.

And this right here is where the TVA messed up: they used a Loki to find a Loki.

They were the ones who made all that self-acceptance I mentioned in my other post possible in the first place. They lit the spark on that, and once the Lokis break out of wherever they are right now and become part of time again, the Sacred Timeline won’t stand a chance.

[mentallydatingahotcelebrity]

Ok. I am pissed off over the Shitshow tonight.

Specifically:

“There’s no Thor without Loki, and there’s no Loki without Thor.”

I hate the show for its crap writing, bad acting, and shit direction (Herron sucks, I don’t give a fuck what you think; she’s bad. Might improve with time and experience, but that remains to be seen). But I’m realizing that I also hate the show because it did NOTHING to further Loki’s character personality. We learned NOTHING about his personality. NOTHING. “Oh, oh but MJ we did!!” You cry, like a moron.

No, scone, we didn’t.

“Oh but MJ, we learned he likes princes and princesses!!!”

Did we learn that? Did we really? Or were we just TOLD THAT?

Bingo—anything so-called “new” we learned about Loki we were TOLD through vomit exposition from the characters. Loki “doesn’t like killing”, he cries—and proceeds throughout the entirety of the series to have no problems wielding a knife against anyone he perceives as a threat. Loki “likes boys as well as girls”, he says softly—but all he does is moon over female characters/shittily attempt to charm them. Loki is a selfish narcissist who enjoys causing people pain, he managed to bite out after being kicked in the balls fifty thousand times—this is the same Loki who, in every previous encounter with causing people he cares for pain, sheds tears and looks as if it killed a portion of his soul to commit that violence.

The entire story of the Shitshow is telling the audience how they should properly interpret the character known as Loki—instead of showing them through the character’s behavior.

But let me come back to the fact that this entire waste of six and a half hours didn’t embellish Loki’s personality any further. It didn’t illuminate him at all or give us further internal knowledge about him. We learned nothing about what he thinks, how he feels, and what his problem-solving thought patterns are. The series completely failed to build on ANY of the foundations for Loki’s character leading up to it. In fact, the SINGULAR TIME it used previous data was simply to rerun scenes (an UTTER waste of time) to torture Loki emotionally for thirty-odd minutes (in reality it was just to torture the audience with memories of the character incarnation we liked better, but that’s a topic for another time…). But apart from that… Loki just floated. We never learned what “makes a Loki a Loki” or why Loki DOES ANYTHING. Because the show NEVER GOT INTO LOKI’S HEAD. It stayed artfully superficial. We had the APPEARANCE of getting into Loki’s emotions and mentality without actually diving in and getting to the nitty gritty. Fuck it all we got more from Sylvie-Sue than the alleged main character!!!

What makes Loki himself has absolutely nothing to do with the shit the show tried to spew, but everything to do with the fact that Loki is who he is because he cares so fucking much that it rips him apart mentally until he can’t see the forest for the trees. Loki isn’t driven by narcissism and ego—he’s driven by FEAR. The fear of FAILURE. Of being unsatisfactory. Of being insubstantial. Of being powerless. Loki is who he is because of perfectionism and anxiety and paranoia that everyone is looking at him and expecting his failure, so he has to study the hardest and endure the longest to keep the laughter that doesn’t exist at bay. Loki is always eight steps ahead because he’s insecure and consumed by the dread of mockery.

In this show, we should have established that most of what motivates Loki is fear, and longing. He wants to be good enough, to belong, to be seen, to be needed. And we should have received a resolution of him discovering that HE HAD ALL THOSE THINGS. We should have had a moment with Frigga, a moment with Odin, a moment with Thor. We should have had confessions and forgiveness. SOME GODDAMN CLOSURE, and some building on the foundations of the previous films Loki showed up in.

We should’ve had a call back to Loki knowing the paths between realms, of “the sun will shine on us again”, of “am I not your mother?”/“you’re not”, of “a master of magic”, of “we were going to use you to bring about peace between the realms… but none of that matters anymore”, of “you truly are the worst brother”, of “you think you know pain? He will make you long… for something sweet as pain”.

Instead all we got was BULLSHIT, and a bizarre as fuck toxic forced relationship struggling to pass itself off as some sort of romance?!?!???

This Shitshow could not be any more a waste of time and resources than it is. Truly the most wretched thing DisneyMarvel has done since Captain Marvel. Utterly useless and advancing to nothing except MAAAAAYBE the multiverse. And even that is on thin fucking ice.

[iamnmbr3]

Can I sign up for a Disney- Service where I pay them not to put out any type of new content or interviews? Bc wow I am tired of this show and I’m tired of Mike Waldron shooting his mouth off and spewing grossness. But here we go again. He’s given another interview and I am once again left wondering why Disney had to hire him and not...literally anyone else. Like if they just grabbed a rando off the street it couldn’t have been any worse and statistically it probably would’ve been a lot better. 

"I knew that I wanted to position somebody opposite Tom, opposite Tom's Loki, who had the same energy in a way, but also a totally different energy, that female energy”

Female energy??? Can someone please tell Mike that "girl" isn't a personality trait. Remember when I talked about how Sylvie isn’t a good female character because she’s physically strong but not strongly written? Remember when I talked about how she’s an empty “strong female character TM” who is a woman first and a human second because she’s not a good character who happens to be female but rather a character whose defining and only personality trait is her gender? Yeah.

"But it's one thing, I guess, to be narcissistic and to think you're great and everything, it's another thing to really believe that, to project that outwardly. It's another thing to really believe that and to actually practice self-love and everything. So if the show is about Loki falling for Sylvie a little bit, the hope was always that maybe that it's also about him learning to forgive himself." 

What. No really. WHAT. Mike’s pathetic attempts to justify his ridiculously bad romance and also pretend like he didn’t straight up lie to us about Loki learning self love are hilarious. this makes NO sense. huh???? This is just a really bad attempt at damage control. Loki doesn’t learn self love. He never says anything positive about himself. The show frames him internalizing other’s harmful messages about him like that he is a villain and a pathetic loser as something positive. What has he learned to love about himself? Mike has yet to be able to name one positive trait he has. His hatred for Loki is so obvious. And how is loving Sylvie him forgiving himself???? she didn't do any of the things he did???? This makes ZERO sense.

"He is just a character who doesn't like to self reflect, and would rather pontificate, and would rather scheme, because he's good at it, because he's very clever. "

Really? He would rather pontificate? Another comment that seems to indicate that Mike really didn’t watch Thor 2011. Remember how the opening scenes established how SILENT Loki is and how he is constantly spoken over? That’s a big part of his other and victim coding. The way Mike constantly shames Loki for speaking is very disturbing given the way Loki is Other coded. And also given the fact that he is now canonically queer. Why must the Other be silenced??? 

“And when faced with an actual mirror of himself, he sees things that are attractive and that he empathizes with. He also sees things that are broken and wounded, and it helps him understand those very things in his own psyche" 

Wrong. But also? Where? Where is that in the show??? This never happened. He’s just lying here.

"I mean, he has done terrible things. That was part of the work that the first episode had to do, was hold him accountable for that, sort of lay him bare and everything. And the journey that he's been on has been one of reckoning with that. Is it possible to atone for that? I think Loki's still trying to figure that out."

Terrible things? Huh. Kinda like Thor. Remember when he slaughtered all those Jotnar while laughing (which was considered totally acceptable in his culture)? Remember when Odin slaughtered and enslaved thousands? Remember when Loki was motivated by trying to PREVENT a war? And. Remember when Loki was captured and TORTURED by Thanos? Also. The first episode didn't do that. The first episode was about things he hadn't done bc it was him seeing his future. AND FURTHERMORE the TVA can't hold him accountable bc if what Loki did was bad then the TVA has no moral high ground bc what they did was orders of magnitude worse. And if what the TVA did was ok then Loki didn't do anything wrong. Why does the TVA get a pass for their horrific acts of evil???

"I think, for me, that's one of the most important scenes in the show because this is a guy who has been driven by glorious purpose, by the feeling that everything he does is in the service of his grand destiny."    

So Mike really just watched that glorious purpose clip and decided it was Loki’s whole motivation huh? What an idiot. So much for the Loki Lectures. Obviously this guy was asleep during them and didn’t bother to watch Thor 2011 either. You know, the movie all about Loki’s backstory and motivations. Guess he also missed the fact that Loki is LITERALLY KNEELING when he comes through the portal and looks awful bc he’s just been tortured is very obviously repeating the stuff Thanos told him while breaking him. Loki is not motivated by believing in a glorious purpose. He cries when Thor tells him to look at the destruction in Avengers. 

And in Thor 2011 he is motivated by wanting to avert a war and also more deeply by his desire for love and validation. He never wanted the throne. He wanted to be Thor’s equal. He has a mental breakdown and tries to kill himself when he comes to believe that he is inherently monstrous and that he can never earn his family’s love. LOKI IS DEFINED BY HIS LACK OF SELF ESTEEM AND HIS SELF HATRED! That is. The opposite of what Mike has said. Also Mike contradicts himself. Is Loki someone who is arrogant and needs to learn his purpose isn’t glorious or is he someone who needs to learn self love? It can’t be both. What a disgusting, victim blaming, abuse apologist lying hack.  

“In that moment, he sees that no, it was his destiny to get his neck snapped by the bad guy he was working for"

Excuse me? Working for??? Loki never went back to Thanos. He died sacrificing himself to save Thor. WTF!!!?!?

[i-dreamed-i-had-a-son]

Alright I'm not *entirely* sure I know where I'm going with this but I'm gonna vaguely pull on my previous thought that the Loki series portrays Loki as other people see him to make sense of episode 4

I know some people were upset about how it seemed like the series was agreeing that Loki was a narcissist, so let's explore that, because I don't really think that's the case. In the Sif time loop scene, we see Loki say,

Please, please, no more. Please, I beg you. I'm a horrible person. I get it. I really am. I cut off your hair because I thought it'd be funny. And it's not. Uh... I crave attention... because I'm... (Sighs) I'm a... I'm a narcissist. And I suppose it's... It's because I'm scared of being alone.

He's clearly exhausted and wants the beating to stop. He also knows what Sif thinks of him (helpful that she's been repeating it), so he says what he knows she wants to hear--but here, as with Mobius in episode one, although he is being strategic with what he says, he's also being genuine, at least mostly. He's too drained to do anything else, and he knows it wouldn't work anyway.

Loki absolutely is scared of being alone. That's the core fear he has, which is why he wanted to be Thor's equal--he didn't want to be abandoned or forgotten about (which, coincidentally, is exactly the punishment Odin gives him in TDW...). That's why it's the last thing he says, why he stutters and pauses so much before getting there--and it also happens to be the thing that Sif keeps throwing back at him. By putting it last, he's hoping he won't have to hear it again. Beating her to the punch, per se. (I also think it's interesting that he says he "never thought about it again" after this event happened, but yet it is the one Mobius puts on a loop in order to "soften him up". Clearly, Loki did remember this as a very painful memory--probably because it hits on his deepest fear--and it's effective in exhausting him emotionally, just like the footage of his life was. It's interrogation prep so that he's already vulnerable when he gets to Mobius. But anyways.)

I think he somewhat believes the other things he says, but only because it's been beaten into him so many times. Loki wouldn't think he's a horrible person, but he knows Sif does, and Thor, and Odin, and the Avengers, and Mobius--so maybe he is? This self-doubt is particularly clear with the "narcissist" line. It's framed like an admission, and I think it's because he's started to believe it. But that's not because it's true, and we're not supposed to believe it either.

Loki has always adapted himself to meet other people's expectations, and that's exactly what he does in this interaction as in so many others. He doesn't really know who he is, just who other people think he is, and that person is a horrible one, so that's what he says about himself. And other characters certainly aren't disagreeing. Mobius throws the same kind of lines at him when interrogating him in episode 1:

Look at that smile! You're enjoying that!

(LOKI: I know what I am.) A murderer?

You're really good at doing awful things, and then just getting away.

You were born to cause pain and suffering and death.

And by the end of the episode, Loki is emotionally exhausted. He calls himself weak. And when Mobius says, "You do know yourself!" Loki responds with, "A villain?" All of Mobius' attacks on Loki's identity were effective enough that Loki supplies him with another negative identifier--playing into what he wants to hear, just like he does with Sif, to make the attacks stop.

But it's different in episode 4. Mobius tries the same tactic again, using a word Loki had just used to describe himself:

What a incredible seismic narcissist. You fell for yourself!

This comes after he tried to convince Loki that Sylvie was dead (thus leaving him alone), and it's very much structured to further play on that fear--the only person he could ever be close to (in any way) is himself. He is alone. And it's that thought that's juxtaposed with the narcissist barb. Mobius is defining Loki as a narcissist, not because it's true, but because he's trying to break Loki down.

In reality, Loki isn't narcissistic at all--wanting attention does not a narcissist make. The very fact that he can say "I'm a narcissist because I'm scared of being alone" shows that he isn't one; you aren't a narcissist "because" of something, you just are one! And he's just been told he is one so many times, by people strategically attacking him, he starts to internalize that thought. It reminds me a lot of how people would call Tony narcissistic (even in his Avengers file) and how despite that being untrue, he began associating self-preservation with narcissism and instead took on the responsibility of protecting the whole team at cost to himself. Tony wasn't narcissistic--he used attention-seeking as a cry for help. It's the same with Loki. He wants to be noticed because he doesn't want to be alone.

And it's that desire that's being attacked. Mobius calls him a narcissist for finding companionship in Sylvie, the only person who's even tried to genuinely get to know him. Mobius is trying to keep Loki isolated and emotionally distraught, since Loki is less formidable that way. But Loki holds his own, even getting in the final line. Because of Sylvie, those barbs don't have the same effect as they did before. In episode 1, Mobius says:

It's funny, for someone born to rule, you sure do lose a lot. You might even say it's in your nature.

But look at what Loki says in episode 4.

SYLVIE: Do you think that what makes a Loki a Loki is the fact that we're destined to lose?

LOKI: No. We may lose. Sometimes painfully. But we don't die. We survive. I mean, you did. You were just a child when the TVA took you, but you nearly took down the organization that claims to govern the order of time. You did it on your own. You ran rings around them. You're amazing!

And that's what starts the Nexus event. Loki directly goes against the definition and expectation of what a Loki is supposed to be. He finally defines himself, thanks to and through Sylvie, as someone who survives, someone who is independent, someone who can do anything, someone who "can be whoever and whatever he wants to be"--and the universe breaks.

[hellveticabold]

This Man Deserves Better Fans

Being an admirer of both the Loki show and Tom Hiddleston as an actor, I get exposed to some hot takes from fellow ‘fans’ complaining about the series.  

I don’t understand how folks can claim to be a fan of someone and then actively create false narratives to disparage that person’s work, but it seems to happen a lot here. 

One instance from today is a post (with hundreds of likes) which alleges that the executives on the show actually had to remind the writers to focus on Loki. The poster then goes on to expound on how terrible the show must be because of how ‘concerning’ it is that the writers needed to be told time and time again that Loki should be the focus.

Sounds terrible right? 

“What awful writers!” chant the comments. “How disgusting!” they cry. “That’s why the show is terrible!” they howl.

But it’s not the truth...

The OP posted this screen shot from head writer Eric Martin as evidence of their claim:

That’s right, everyone. Can you believe it?

Those idiot writers had the sheer ignorant, awful, audacity to try focus more on Sylvie...

...in one episode. 

Incredible. 

I hate to break it to Tom Hiddleston ‘fans,’ but the writers wanting to provide more background on the secondary protagonist is not cause for an fan revolt. It’s actually good writing.

(Personally, I would have loved to have seen more about Sylvie’s backstory. Is she also a frost giant? Is her mother actually a good version of Hela? Did she have siblings? etc.)

But then again, that would be putting more focus on a female character. And folks here don’t seem to like that at all.

Seriously. Do you think these same angry fans would make these complaints if the show gave us more of Mobius’s backstory? Or would they be begging for even more mustache time? What about a cameo from Thor? Would they be okay with giving men (and potential male love interests) more screen time? I think we already know the answer to that.

When folks choose to retroactively hate a show because they don’t like a female character, there’s no winning with them.

Reduce Sylvie’s story time and 'fans’ hate her for being a bland love interest

Increase her story time and they hate her for taking the focus off of Loki

Make her strong and she’s a Mary Sue

Make her vulnerable and she’s dead weight

They don’t seem to realize that they are twisting the truth to actively and vocally trash the hard work of a real human being they claim to support. Sorry not sorry, but:

Tom was fundamental in creating the show and completely on-board for the way his show turned out. 

Like the romance or hate it; it was Tom’s idea. He’s wanted a love story with the Enchantress since at least 2013:

He is an executive producer and was instrumental in getting the show made and getting the series to focus on his romance with the Enchantress. He literally conducted hours-long lectures for the writers and other actors about his vision for his own character, and molded and shaped the story and characters from the very beginning.

How do I know? 

Because unlike the single time he joked that the show only took 5% of his ideas, he’s consistently talked about how he enjoyed having so much say in his character and the show. Like this from Tumblr:

If you didn’t like how much Sylvie or romance features in the show, I have some terrible news for you: 

The man you claim to admire and support -Tom Hiddleston- he succeeded in making his dreams for his character come true. I hate to be the one to tell you that all of his hard work shaping the show paid off and Loki is the highest rated and most acclaimed Marvel series ever. And please accept my condolences on the fact that Tom’s already excitedly planning out the second season...

...and it’s gonna be full of Sylvie:

In all seriousness, if you really are a fan of Tom Hiddleston, you should at least be happy for him and let his work speak for itself. 

His portrayal of the character is so compelling that he’s been brought back from the dead three times. He’s so good at it that he got his own show! He was finally able to have the on-screen romance that he’s dreamed of for almost a decade! He got to fundamentally shape his own series, and that series is the most viewed and highest rated Marvel show ever made! 

He’s had incomparable success with Loki! You should be proud of him! Happy for him! Thrilled for him! 

Instead, you’re dreaming up false narratives to trash on the series and actively disparaging the culmination of a decade’s worth of Tom’s passion and hard work.  

I’m not saying you have to love the show, but just because the story didn’t turn out exactly how you want doesn’t mean it’s bad. There are valid criticisms about the series and about any piece of media.

But spreading deceitful, derogatory rubbish about an artist’s work is terrible behavior for someone who calls themselves a fan.

[goddessofmischief]

Hey, sorry to bother you but I was wondering if you could do maybe a short little blurb of maybe while Loki and Slyvie (sorry I always forget how to spell her name) are talking about love maybe Loki mentions his time with the reader or like maybe the reader is his wife and maybe the he used to sing that song to his wife during parties or something. It’s just a suggestion tho it’s totally okay if you don’t want to do it

A/N: I love this! Also, I took the title from this song, which I definitely recommend listening to while you read.

And Every Person Seems More Beautiful - Loki Laufeyson x Reader

...

Loki didn’t hate parties.

He liked them, actually - on Asgard, they were the one time people ceased to notice or fear him, the one time he could slip through the crowd and do whatever he liked.

I usually went alone, though, he thinks, casting a glance at the woman seated across from him.

It feels familiar.

Too familiar.

And one person is conspicuously absent.

"A pity the old woman chose to die, don’t you think?” Loki says, stirring himself from his reverie.

“She was in love.”

“She hated him.”

“Maybe... love is hate.”

“Love is... love is hate? Should probably remember that.”

He magicks a quill and scroll from thin air, and begins to scribble it down.

“What was that? Love is... love is hate?”

“Oh, piss off,” states Sylvie, a smile on her face.

“So,” Loki begins, “Is there a... lucky beau, waiting for you at the end of this crusade?”

“Yeah, there is, actually. Managed to maintain quite a serious long-distance relationship with a postman.”

“And with charm like that, who could resist you?”

“How about you? You’re a prince. Must’ve been... would-be princesses. Or perhaps, another prince.”

Sylvie raised her eyebrows suggestively.

“A bit of both,” said Loki gamely, “I suspect, the same as you. But nothing ever...”

“Real.”

He nods.

“Until my wife, that is.”

“You were married?”

“Are you truly that surprised?”

“You’re not repulsive, but - I certainly can’t imagine you in a relationship.”

“Yes, well. I-I didn’t deserve her. I was lucky to have her, for as long as I did.”

Sylvie hums.

“Did she die?”

“So I’ve been told. Or... or shown.”

Sylvie chuckles.

“It’s a real shame for you that we can’t fix this TemPad, or we could go get her.”

“...Really?”

“Of course.”

Well, there it is.

For the first time, a shining ray of hope.

...

Sylvie nods awake.

She never falls asleep on trains. She never falls asleep in public, period.

But there’s something comforting about Loki. Comforting, familiar, and-

Loud?

"Oh, when she sings, she sings, come home-”

He sees her gesture at him, wildly, and he gestures back.

Was it irresponsible to get drunk? Yes.

Was it avoidable?

Well, no.

You would have stopped him, he thinks soberly, pausing. As he looks to Sylvie, she blurs until she’s unrecognizable, and all of a sudden-

Oh, she’s you.

You, the one who had always been surrounded by a gaggle of admirers and suitors at Asgard’s wild parties, you, who had always looked for him in the crowd-

And him, who was too shy to admit his affections for you until much, much later.

It all floods back now -the way he’d sulk in the corner, trying not to catch your eye, the way you’d grin at him.

And then, the one day he got just a little too courageous, and stood up in front of the entire planet and belted out a song for you.

The night he told you how he felt. The night you responded.

He slows down now, singing to Sylvie, aching.

I’ll find you, he promises to himself. I’ll find you.

...

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[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

If someone started to hint at me having a liking for other men sexually/romantically by winking and whispering like it’s dirty secret, I flat out wouldn’t tell them, I will walk away from the situation. I don’t know about your opinion on it but to me that scene was just bad.

The way Sylvie navigated it just came off as those people who are like: “I’m not homophobic, I love lesbian ——“ …like wtf, they made my sexuality seem like some kind of kink or just something that needs to be whispered like it’s taboo and just a sexual thing.

It’s one of the reasons I hate Sylvie, that scene made her look like those hetero women who fetishise mlm relationships, I don’t care if she’s Bi too, it doesn’t excuse her of being a drooling creep! people think it does but it definitely doesn’t, you can’t feel safe around those women because they could just grab you down there and giggle about it, they are literally just predatory queer pervs who won’t keep their hands to theirselves (doesn’t help that assault against men isn’t taken seriously).

I might just be overreacting but that entire scene just put me off of her character, it came off as very predatory and creepy to me, the way she whisper-asked him about it and then didn’t answer herself makes me overthink things to a high extent.

Oh I despise that scene too

I know I would have never asked another person I just met about it that way, because to me it's pretty natural. There would be no weird gestures, I wouldn't whisper it or act like the other person being with someone of their same gender is "cheeky" or "quirky". I would have asked it the way he asked her.

Although to be quite honest I was told recently that perhaps Sylvie asking about it that way could be a sign of internalized homophobia and while I don't think they did a good enough job of portraying that in the series, we don't know how Asgard handled these things. With that said I actively refuse to believe Asgard would be homophobic, that shit is human-made and most of it comes from religion so there's no way in my headcanon Asgard would fall to that.

Then there's also the fact that as if the question wasn't bad enough the rest of the chat only makes things worse:

Nothing real? Why not? It can only be real if it's between them two, two conventionally attractive people, a man and a woman who doesn't confirm nor deny her sexual orientation? It rubs me the wrong way just like I despise that line of "love is mischief" right after Loki comes out as bi, there's nothing mischievous about bisexuality.

I might be seeing things where there's nothing but being bi myself I may not be entirely objective, I'm willing to accept that. It doesn't help that all this happens in ep3 then ep4 has Mobius calling Loki's feelings of love "sick and twisted" and "unnatural", calling him a "narcissist" and it has Sif beating Loki repeatedly in a time loop. It's all too interconnected for it to be a coincidence, you know?

I'd be lying if I didn't say that it felt good to hear Loki confirm he's bi, hell the first thing I thought when he said that was "oh he's like me!" (as childish as that might sound lol) but what they did with it and how they handled it? They ruined it.