#also blame the pjo kick

[gibuckaroo]

achilles and patroclus; he is half of my soul as the poets say.

[original text in post: When you took Patroclus from Achilles— is this what he felt? When he saw him lifeless and pale and unmoving in another soldier's arms as they delivered the very reason he was here on earth—did he feel the ground move from under him? Did he feel time cease? Did he feel the way I do now? Out of breath, out of life, out of time, out of love. When you took his person, did he also want to dig a hell of his own?]

[11queensupreme11]

Ok but like now I'm obsess with Cu Chulainn in pjo, like I imagine him being somehow transported to the pjo world like Percy, apearing in the human world and ending up meeting Percy before the lighting thief (which means she's younger than twelve so a bit 👨‍✈️) and staying with her because he can sense she is a demigod so the only lead he has to the divine world, of course they would both hate it because "you're disgusting" "who the fuck even are you" somehow, it still works and he inserts himself into the story falling for Percy and being bro-zoned by her. The gods of course don't care, they are not racist, they don't give a crap about any demigod in equal measure, and so after Gaia, he finally finds a way back into the ror verse and drags Percy kicking and screaming to his suposed happy ending.

Only for the other yanderes to become yanderes

this is gonna be cu chulainn 90% of the time when he's babysitting and falling in love with percy:

he's so fed up with her danger-prone ass like "bitch STAY STILL FOR ONCE!!!! STOP FUCKING SNEAKING OUT OF CAMP AND GETTING SUCKED INTO DANGEROUS QUESTS! NO YOU WILL NOT BE THE CHILD OF THE PROPHECY IM GETTING OUR ASSES OUT HERE FUCK THIS STUPID UNIVERSE"

but whoops, she's the child of the great prophecy and get this, THERE'S ANOTHER GREAT PROPHECY LMAOOOOO

cu chulainn after finding out there's another great prophecy centered around percy's stupid ass and he has to go through this AGAIN:

i also can't stop thinking about him being brother-zoned, i feel like he would actually lose his fucking shit if that ever happened. like imagine being transferred to another universe with shitty ass gods and weird stupid rules that everyone has to follow (and he's considered an outer god so we all know he HATES rules), babysitting this adorably feral demigod child, living with her, being raised alongside her, falling in love with her and constantly having to protect her because EVERYONE WANTS HER DEAD, and then after all that........

she brother-zones you 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

like you can't even blame percy because she grew up with this guy so OF COURSE she sees him as a big bro, BUT LMAOOOOOO SUCKS FOR CU CHULAINN WHAT A LEWSER 😂 he's just getting Ls after Ls in this universe 😂 i'm surprised he hasn't ripped his hair out at this point 😂😂😂

AND THEN.... he finally finds a way back to his og universe and drags the love of his life kicking and screaming through the bifrost. he's back home, percy's with him, and all is well but BAM six other yanders fall in love with her AND HE'S STILL BEING BROTHER-ZONED 💀💀💀💀💀

(and imagine she's still pining after anthonius too, i bet you he DEFINITELY interrupted the underwater kiss scene after the war 😭 probably just fished her outta the lake and just went "nope not happening" 😭😭😭)

[lockandkeycake]

HoTD moots I'm sorry again. This isn't my last pjo rant.

I'm continuing the deep dive into the Did Leo Bully Frank allegations, moving into House of Hades, where things get a bit more murky.

I'm not going to fully recap MoA read my other insane nerdy rant, but basically. Last we left them, Frank had disliked Leo, been antagonistic towards Leo, Leo was nervous around him and teased him a few times, they finally talk and become friends. But, everything is kicking off on a sour note. No one is happy.

Right at the beginning of HoH, we don't actually get much interactions between Leo and Frank until these scenes.

I'd like to note here that Leo's birthday is July 7th. so that's fun. He's not feeling too great about all the ghost talk. I didn't include it, but there's a scene of Hazel talking about Leo being angrier and more serious early on as well. Leo is thinking about loss and death quite a lot in this novel.

Then we get to Frank's pov and Boy Is It Different.

First, I'll also point out Frank remembers the whole his clothes getting sent out and destroyed on Buford but very clearly doesn't characterize it as Leo 'throwing his clothes overboard'. Even in the state Frank is in, he knows Leo didn't purposely destroy his clothes.

But Frank still has issues.

You can note that Frank actually starts off this thought process by essentially complementing Leo, but then Mars and Ares pop in - suddenly, Frank is now saying how Leo constantly teased him.

This is one of those things I think people are going to interpret differently depending on your bias. I have a Leo bias, and having shown that Leo was NOT constantly teasing him in MoA, at least from what is written, I think this is mostly influence from Mars/Ares. Leo does tease, he teases Jason in this book I think more than he does Frank, so I wouldn't ever say Leo doesn't tease people, he absolutely can be a little shit; but the difference is that it's rarely maliciously done on Leo's part. When Leo noticed Frank was embarrassed at the end of the last book, he stopped himself from making comments. We've also seen that Leo is also not great at realizing if his comments are being taken negatively, even if he doesn't mean them in that manner.

However, like I said, Hazel noted Leo's been stressed, not sleeping, and angrier than usual at the beginning of HoH. Leo blames himself for what happened to Annabeth and Percy. Leo is starting to think he'll probably die, and he's horribly lonely. Maybe he has been razzing Frank more offpage, and we just don't see it written. But because we do not see Leo explicitly dig at Frank's weight or looks or intelligence, I am personally still more of the opinion that it's the product of Mars/Ares.

We then get this scene

Frank says Leo had stopped making jokes at his expense here, but again, not trying to beat a dead horse at this point, we've not really seen Leo do that at all this book. Frank now has more confidence and feels more worthwhile in his place on the Argo after his Venice battle- I think Frank is now less insecure and those voices are piping in less. Again, I could be wrong, but this seems very similar to last book. Frank spent the majority of the book being very antagonist, then wonders why on earth Leo would be nervous around him. There's things clouding Frank's judgement that clear up, and suddenly, he's getting on with Leo much better. Shocker.

(that being said Frank does suggest leaving Leo in Croatia just for making a pun not even at his expense, so make of that what you will lmao)

Reaching the Calypso chapters, there's a lot I could get into. I'll eventually do a break down on just them and why I don't love caleo, but I'll save that for another day. Still - Frank is someone Leo actually makes a point of trying to help once he finds out Calypso has fireproof fabric.

Frank is his friend in Leo's mind, someone he wants to save too. Leo is big on trying to save people. I wonder why, definitely didn't come from childhood trauma or watching his mom burn to death or anything. Moving on.

Finally, Leo returns from Ogygia, Frank is said to have patted him so hard on the back it made Leo wince. Clearly he hates him.

But in all seriousness I think the slow progression of Leo and Frank's relationship is one of the better done character developments in HoO. It's slow, it's subtle it culminates in Frank hugging him next book, and Frank using Leo and Jason as inspiration for using up his wood piece.

The big scene to finish off this book are these pages. If Frank hated Leo, if he felt like Leo was only ever mocking him, trying to hurt his feelings, this would not have happened.

Frank trusts Leo.

Leo trusts Frank.

They're not afraid of each other anymore, they're not scared. They mutually trust one another and know they'll have each other's backs.

That is why Leo trusts only Frank and Hazel with his plan in the next book.

[mcmactictac]

Spoilers for pjo tv. Fair warning non book readers

Yk I was originally making fun of all the non book readers who think Grover is the traitor but tbh with the way the show is narratively setting him up right now? It makes sense. Like obviously he’s not and I know that I’m just saying like.

Adding the scene where he rats out Percy to get him kicked out of Yancy? Valid and I get it but yeah makes him an obvious suspect

Having a pattern established of him keeping secrets from Percy (being a demigod, mrs. Dodds, his mom, him being Thalia’s protector) like again all perfectly reasonable but it’s the pattern that would make it suspicious

When he tells Percy about his mom, with an emphasis on the when. Without Grover telling Percy that, it didn’t look like Percy would have gone on the quest. Obviously he did it because he’s a good guy and friend but again, could totally be read as him pushing Percy towards the quest

He doesn’t fight Percy or annabeth on staying behind at the arch. I really can’t blame him because for a non confrontational mf I would not want to get between those two. But could be read as him letting them pick themselves off. Clearly not true if you look at his character, but if you already mistrusted him, it wouldn’t help

This last point further emphasized by his reaction to Percy being alive. Obvious annabeth is the focus in that moment and given Percy sacrificed himself for her it’s different. But if you had a theory going, this could play into it

Whatever tf was up with him staying with Ares? I know 100% that Luke is the traitor like I know and have known that for YEARS but the way they set the start of that scene up was suspicious as fuck. Not helped by the fact I’m already distrustful of Ares, but I feel like any non book reader would also be. Ares is very clear about wanting war and Grover cozies RIGHT up to him. Starts dropping war facts, getting him trusting and comfortable to let down his guard, get him talking? Like he’s trying to get information but he’s also established that trust which could let him plant information too.

That vague ass comment about finding the lightning thief? And how they know Percy didn’t steal the bolt but it doesn’t matter because Zeus thinks he did? And that’s where we leave off on their private conversation?

Kind of a side note but like as a satyr who brings kids back to camp, obviously couldn’t save Thalia, we already established that. He’d have a motive to hate the gods. Does he act on it? No! But you could totally argue that seeing demigods abandoned by their parents, who he tries to save but just. Don’t make it back to camp? Could give him a motive for vengeance. And again that’s clearly not in his personality at ALL but I’m trying to consider the perspective of someone who doesn’t know these characters inside and out

In summary none of these events alone are suspicious but the show is clearly setting up a pattern to put Grover in that spot of suspicion. Especially for younger viewers who might not think too deeply about it? The narrative is kinda setting him up to look suspicious right now even though he isn’t. He’s a very different personality type from Percy and Annabeth for sure, he’s much less confrontational. It’s just the way and the situations he’s framed in? It’s not as unreasonable an assumption for new viewers as I felt it was before.

[beuatifulbuttercup]

song I want to see pjo edits of when the show comes out FOCUSING ONLY ON THE PJO SERIES NOT HoO

BY BOOK

The Lighting Thief:

Poker Face- Do I need to even explain this one? The best scene of the Peter Johnson movies had this ICONIC song so we gotta have this. Obviously with this would be used for the Lotus Casino scene.

The Sea Of Monsters

Speak Now- HEAR ME OUT OKAY! This song but to when Grover is being married off to Polyphemus. I think that is hilarious and peak comedy okay.

The Titan's Curse

Vampire- Yes this is a romance song but if we take of the romantic parts of it it's basically Zoë and Heracles. Specifically the

I used to think I was smart But you made me look so naive The way you sold me for parts As you sunk your teeth into me, oh Bloodsucker, fame fucker Bleedin' me dry, like a goddamn vampire

part I think works very well. It just described their relationship and what he did to her to me.

Snap but the edited version- You know the one where they take off the background music and make it slower(?). That one for Nico and Bianca. It's so sad ugh!

The Battle of The Labyrinth

But I Love You So- Pollux and the Apollo cabin's reactions to their siblings deaths. It's so sad and I love it.

Something in the Orange- Basically just the first battle and then the characters being like "Shit, Percy is about to be 16." And then preparing for the fight.

The Last Olympian

Pompeii but the edited version-You know the one that starts off sad and then they add the music back. The Battle of Manhattan. I wanna see the kids being killed, fighting for their lives, and trying their absolute hardest to stop the war. I wanna see the jungle that the Demeter cabin made, the arrows the Apollo cabin are shooting, the bridge going down, all of it. Then it cuts to them being happy at camp and just being kids. I love this idea and it was the one that inspired me to make this post lol.

Don't Blame Me- I actually have two ideas for this. The first is Annabeth taking the dagger for Percy and unknowingly blocking his one weak spot. The second is Silena pretending to be Clarisse, killing the drackon, and then dying. If we wanna spice it up we could also use that for Clarisse killing the drackon to avenge Silena.

Safe And Sound- After the war when we get those moments at camp. You know Percy and Annabeth being thrown into the lake and stuff like that. just a cute little hooray until the next prophecy.

CHARACTER

Softcore- Nico Di Angelo. Lemme let the lyrics speak for themselves

… I've been confused as of late (yeah) Watching my youth slip away (yeah) You're like the sun, you wake me up But you drain me out if I get too much

Like if you can't see how that fits Nico I don't wanna listen to you lol

She Wolf- Silena since, well, you know, traitor. It could just be a bunch of moments from all seasons leading up to the eventual reveal. It would

Still Into You- Percabeth! Just them as they grow older and develop and start to realize their feelings for each other. This would be so cute to see I would literally be kicking my legs.

Lemme know if you want more but these are the first ideas that came to mind!

[pardonmydelays]

> "most people who used to love lin in the past are his biggest haters now"

> "maybe pjo fandom is not as terrible as i thought"

two things! one: i actually did used to hate lin, but that was a short phase, and i realized i actually was upset at my younger self, and was just taking it out on people and things i associated with who i was at that time

two: that really made me think, so i have some comments actually! they’re not super insightful or conclusive, but: (if you don’t mind)

i think lin and rick riordan (the author of the pjo books) are actually pretty similar? they’re both goofy older dudes with usually much younger audiences (or at least that was true when i was a big-time hamilton fan, things might have changed), and they’re guys who have certainly made mistakes, but overall are good people (and incredible creative geniuses, but that’s a little more lin than rick tbh)

i definitely can be seriously critical of lin, i definitely think he’s corny as hell, and i definitely lightly make fun of him, but only to a point. if it starts looking a little too hostile, i remind everyone (and it’s almost always universally true) that all of us do actually love his work, and if any of us saw him in public we’d all want to ask for a photo and tell him how brilliant hamilton is, or how beautiful in the heights is, or several other wonderful things he’s done. we’re all very eager to see any creative work he’s involved in because we know it’s going to be awesome, so we really can’t complain about him that much

i am much more seriously critical of rick and things he has previously said than i am of lim (also, a lot of pjo fans call riordan "uncle rick", which is, let’s be honest, INCREDIBLY CORNY! like i do it sometimes but it’s GOOFY as HELL!)

i jokingly bully rick as well — i have sent messages about him that are like "dear lord i one day i am going to kick that old man’s ass", or more often just "RICHARD. COME ON." — but it also doesn’t get too mean. when i see comments that stray from genuine criticisms that also acknowledge he’s grown as a person or like a little friendly teasing of a guy we all admire and towards shitty comments about a stranger, i am always the first in line to defend that old man!

a while ago my older sister asked me why "gen z hates lin manuel miranda", and i explained that 1. he did some stuff that isn’t great but also really seems to have grown from that point (and also probably the smallest problem people have with him), 2. a lot of gen z went through hardcore hamilton phases and now resent their past selves (this is a major factor), and 3. being earnest is the internet’s biggest sin (the most likely culprit and also the saddest answer)

making fun of rick is very common in the pjo fandom, and at least some pjo fans bullying lin are doing it in the same way, so it’s supposed to be more "teenage cousins are gently ribbing that one goofy uncle" than actual hate? i know that there are a lot of people that are just genuinely being mean, but i hope you can find some solace that it isn’t quite as much as it looks like

okay this has been weird and maybe a little scattered, i’m blaming it on my adhd medication being way too low of a dosage lmao

but i’m sorry you & other lmm fans haters, (and i’m extra sorry because there’s a decent chance one of them was 15 year old me)

ok, wow. i don't even know how to answer that (anon, this is super long, WHY)...

so first of all, i am not a part of pjo fandom, this is important - i've said this before, i'm gonna say it again: i've never read the books, i started watching the show only because of lin, i know nothing about rick & all those inside jokes you guys have, but if making fun of him is normal in this fandom, that's totally fine. silly jokes & actual hate are not the same thing for me.

"they’re both goofy older dudes with usually much younger audiences" - that is not entirely true & it comes from someone in their late 20s (& i know a lot of people from this fandom who are waaaaay over 20). being goofy & corny, those are not real reasons to hate on somebody like that... actually, everything you said here, i already knew. people are ashamed of their hamilton phase - oh, we should definitely blame lin for that, he's literally the worst because he wrote a musical once & we were super cringe about it... did he make mistakes in the past? yes, we all do, nobody's perfect. i've heard about much more problematic celebrities & people don't even talk about them but for some reason they have to shit on lin all the fucking time. he's done more good than bad (i could write a super long essay for you but it's late & i don't even know why i'm writing all of this), that is the truth & this is where i stand.

now, we are not talking about "making fun of him", we are talking about actual hate, examples:

"lin-manuel miranda should die/we should kill him"

"i would also turn evil if lin was my father/i would kill myself if he was my father"

those are real comments i've seen about him & it all comes from pjo fandom. this is the reason why i said this fandom is terrible. like, are you guys aware that he actually has kids? go outside, touch some grass & leave him alone (i'm not talking about you anon, you're ok, i'm talking about real haters).

[unhonest-iago]

Blacksmith’s Forge

Started out as a PJO Au involving only Fundy but then expanded to include the rest of the Cogchamp SMP crew

Kid of Hephaestus, real Leo Valdez vibes seeing as Fundy always has a tool belt on wherever he goes even if he doesn't need it

Having grown up in the mines, Fundy's extremely confused when a man in a wheelchair comes rolling up telling him about some camp

At first thinking it's some type of camp for troubled teens, not really having the best luck when it comes to authorities. Unable to count the amount of times he's ran from the coppers

Whether it's simple graffiti or a joyride on a stolen motorcycle, Fundy can't seem to care. Whatever fills the adrenaline rush when boredom strikes

It's only when he wakes up to his forge being overran by dwarves that he finally heed the warning he was given

Spends most of his time at camp, hanging out with campers from Athena's cabin, being the one to check over the blueprints

Seeing if their ideas are plausible and actually work. It's no problem if they don't. Hell, Fundy prefers when they don't work the first time around as it means he's gets to tinker with their designs.

Doesn't make too many changes as most of the mistakes tend to be sleep deprived errors. Still he'll see what he can do to make 'em more efficient

Mainly listens to Jazzpunk while he works, stimming along; mouth pops, banging his wrench against the side of some metal scrap, tapping his foot

Otherwise the other half of the time is spent getting his ass kicked because he decided to taunt one of Ares' kids. Also picking out the most hotheaded one he can find.

Starts out with a simple prank which he blames on the Hermes kids who already hate him

Fundy makes all his failed pick-pocketing gadgets shiny to their sticky hands, usually blows up in their faces literally. Not badly enough that they have to go to the med unit but they do end up with explosions of soot and ash on their clothes

So as you'd expect, they rat him real quick and Fundy always forgets that said Ares' kid will just cut the tree he swiftly scrambled up down

Butchering some remark trying to compare Fundy's fox hybrid traits to the one Aesop's fable—the one about how the grapes are just out of reach and the fox eventually gives up

Which Fundy points out and that's what finally pushes them over the edge

It's during one of these tiffs that he meets his friend group, as another camper, Sam decides to intervene for once. The Ares' kid ends up with some injuries for once as they tried to act hard when really, they were shitting bricks when they saw Sam's gas mask mixed with being a centaur.

'You really don't know when to stop do you?' is the first he asks Fundy when it all ends and when Fundy just chuckles out a 'no,' Sam sighs. Sam doesn't truly know what about the kid makes him invite him to his table but he doesn't regret it.

‘Guys, Sammie’s picked up another stray.’ Tubbo’s remark makes the others look up, seeing their centaur friend walk over with a fox hybrid

‘And he’s not in Hermes’ cabin? Being a fox and all.’ Crumb flicks 5up’s head. ‘That’s like asking if you should be in Hestia’s cabin. Or that I should be in Artemis’ cabin.’

Their conversation ending as the duo sits down, ‘Guys, meet Fundy. Fundy, this is Tubbo, 5up, Crumb, & Ranboo.’

‘Enderman if you’re wondering.’ Ranboo gestures to his dual colored skin. ‘Oh, figured it’d be rude to ask.’

When they make charms for their necklaces, they make sure no one gets the one they made; Fundy gives his to Crumb, Crumb gives its to Ranboo, Ranboo gives theirs to Sam, Sam gives his to 5Up and 5up gives his to Fundy

Exchanging numbers so that they can still talk/bitch to one another when they leave camp and return to normie life

[treasureplcnet]

i still haven’t read burning maze yet but here i am......still loving apollo in 2018..... (redraw of this old thing that is still making rounds, somehow,,,)

[iamaweirdbeing]

@p-bubblegum @rubies-nightinga1e @housecatdahousecat and @celtic-sword requested elaborations on this post 

Buckle up bc this is going to be a long one (no seriously this is so long I probably should have made this more than one part) and I combine some explanations so not every bullet has one

- The version of Artemis in featured in the series is one of the most manipulative and selfish gods we see in any of the books

My example for this one will be the lovely Bianca di Angelo, because I think she is the most complicated example of this and then I will connect what I think are the more blatant examples.

Bianca was sent into the entire world of the gods blind. This isn’t odd, all of the characters are shown to either be raised to know about the gods and what life will be like as a demigod or they are drop kicked into this world when a monster tries to murder then. The di Angelos experienced the latter.

The thing about Bianca is that she joined the hunters after only like twenty minutes of knowing them. A twelve year old girl who just experienced one of the most traumatic things to have ever happen to her is in no position to be making major life decisions. Artemis (Percy Jackson Artemis only, in most myths she is wonderful) is SO MANIPULATIVE.

All of the other major choices Bianca is shown to make or have made in the past portray her as a very maternal and responsible person. She has taken care of Nico for years, she accepted the quest immediately when asked because she thought it would help people, she was willing to die for her mistake in the scrapyard, HER JOINING THE HUNTERS AND LEAVING NICO ALONE JUST SEEMS SO OUT OF CHARACTER.

Personally, I blame Artemis completely. There is no way that Bianca could have been given a proper explanation of the hunters in the time she was with them. I just don’t believe it. All the information we know for sure that Bianca knows is that the hunters are conditionally immortal, they are all girls around the same age as Bianca or younger (Zoe is described to be the physically oldest there and she is only like fourteen), the hunters go after monsters, and they have a cabin at camp. I think that the cabin is the main piece of information that causes problems because when Bianca tells Nico she is a hunter she tells him they will still see each other often, meaning she is unaware of how the hunters actually work and how little they actually stay at camp half blood.

BIANCA DIDNT REALIZE THE EXTENT THAT SHE WAS LEAVING NICO AND NO ONE CORRECTED HER

Another reason I blame Artemis and not Bianca is be ARTEMIS IS A GODDESS. Bianca just met a goddess who saved her life. She is a terrified twelve year old. Was she just supposed to say no??? to an all powerful goddess she knows nothing about other than she just saved her life??

Bianca just watched a monster who looked like a trusted teacher tackle a girl barely older than herself off a cliff and vanish. She was probably in the most terrified state she had ever been in and Artemis just jumps in to make her a hunter (it also bothers me that all three girls in PJO we see become hunters, those girls being Zoe, Bianca, and Thalia, are all very young girls who join almost immediately after going through something awful, Zoe being betrayed by Hercules and Thalia being told that she either had to join the hunters or become the prophecy kid after she thought she just killed her childhood best friend, with no time truly think about their decision). Then Bianca was chosen by an authority figure she trusted to go on a quest that she didn’t understand with no training where she died.

Bianca was killed because those around her failed to teach her about being a halfblood and Artemis manipulated her by using power and fear against her so that she would join the hunters. I’m willing to bet that a lot of other demigod kids died for those same reasons.

- Luke can be blamed for a lot of things but starting a child army is not one of them, he didn’t create a child army he stole Chiron’s

I’m not going to get into all of my thoughts about what Luke does in the series bc we do not have time for that, so I’m going to explain what he didn’t do. He did not start a child army. The titan army was in part a child army, it was also a monster and god army, but there were a lot of child soldiers.

However, Luke was not the one to create an child army, Chiron did that. Camp Half-Blood is not as obvious as Camp Jupiter with the child army thing, but Chiron is known to train “heroes”. In pjo the gods are well aware that a war is coming and none of them try to stop it. Chiron is also aware that a war is coming, so the “heroes” he’s training are children he’s knowingly preparing for war.

Luke’s army is made from campers who defected from Chiron’s army, so Luke can’t be blamed for starting a child army, just for leading one, because that army is just made up of Chiron’s child soldiers.

- on that note Chiron sucks

- his favoritism and him ignoring the mental health of the campers is why the second titan war got as bad as it did

- It’s also the reason that Nico suffered as much as he did

Chiron has favorites. This is shown in the way that he personally advises some of the main characters (Percy and Annabeth) but others are left ignored. Not that this is referenced within the books bc Percy is the narrator and as a favorite who is only a seasonal camper, he is not in a position to recognize the favoritism. He also only trains a select few of them, Luke and other head counselors were the ones training kids. Now I understand that Chiron is only one person so he can’t train everyyone, but that’s just even more proof that the kids he trains are his favorites. As for ignoring the mental health of his campers, it is obvious that campers are not getting the help they need because of the actions they take throughout the series. (He locked Chris Rodriguez in a basement while he was having a mental break and a fouteen year old Clarisse was the one who looked after him, I think that says a lot)

My examples for this will be Nico and Luke bc I think they are the most extreme cases of this. When Bianca dies, Nico, a highly powerful, grieving, suicidal, ELEVEN YEAR OLD is homeless for an entire YEAR. Chiron never went looking for him, never provided him with healthy ways to grieve, and was more concerned with Nico being a child of Hades than he was with Nico being a hurting child who he was responsible for. Chiron never even helped to make him feel included at camp after the second titan war which made him run away again. Similarly, he never helped Luke through the grieving process. It was made clear in the books that, leading up to his betrayal (especially after his quest) Luke was not acting normal. Chiron never checked on him or tried to help him. Chiron was aware that there was a war coming and never thought to check on the campers who were very obviously not coping well mentally.

Imagine if you were Nico or Luke and the person you cared about more than anyone in the world died, and your new caretaker didn’t give a shit aside from general empathy that doesn’t actually help you in any way. Chiron is in charge of these kids. He’s supposed to RAISE these kids for their parents. He doesn’t do that, he raises some of them and leaves the rest to raise themselves and raise their siblings. If Chiron actually did his job, Luke might not have been Kronos’s pawn, way less campers would want to join the titan army, and Nico wouldn’t have ran after the first war, because they would have had a home with a stable parental figure who they trusted.

- By contrast I think that Mr. D is one of the most caring of the gods and the way he acts towards the campers is his loophole around Zeus’s rules

- Like he acts as a therapist for Nico and it’s implied that he does the same for other campers, he does care for them

Mr. D might act like he hates his job and hates the kids, but he is actively helping them in any way that he can while playing up that persona. And that persona is how he’s not getting in trouble with Zues, so long as he seems like he hates interacting with the kids he can keep doing it because Zues thinks it’s a punishment. He healed Chris, he plays games with campers, he PROVIDES THERAPY, HE CLAIMS ALL HIS KIDS. He does more than any other god, and more than Chiron does, for a lot of kids. I think that the reason it’s a little more difficult to tell with this is because he puts in a little less effort with Chiron’s favorites, who are the narrators and main characters so it’s their POV that we are getting, because he’s trying to help the campers who don’t have anyone else.

- Percy’s hatred of Luke is something I have a lot of thoughts on- I think it shapes a lot of his opinions of people and makes him oblivious to how similar he and Luke are/how much logic they share

- Like I think Thalia and Percy getting along is entirely dependent on Percy ignoring how intertwined Luke and Thalia’s lives were

- I don’t think Percy understands anyone grieving Luke and the only person he tries to be empathetic towards in regards to that grief is Annabeth

Percy tends to ignore Luke. After getting Luke a proper funeral because of a final heroic act that he respects, Percy never really thinks about Luke again. If he does, it’s not in a positive light. Him ignoring Luke is how he’s able not not see how similar their logic is. They share a lot of the same opinions about the gods, but bc of his fatal flaw Percy associates Luke with betrayal and war instead of their shared opinions. This also makes it hard for Percy to empathize with Luke, which causes the hatred and resentment, and makes it hard for him to understand those who grieve for him. An example of this being how he tries to empathize with Annabeth grieving for Luke without thinking about Luke as anything more than a person who hurt her and others.

If we apply this to Percy’s opinion and perception of Thalia, that means Percy has to ignore a huge part of her life in order to make his feelings about Luke make sense.

It’s said by Annabeth in the books that she thinks Percy and Thalia will either get along really well or try to kill each other, but the former is what actually happens after some time

Percy and Thalia get along on a personality level, but Percy is also shown to not understand why Thalia cares for/grieves Luke. In ttc he doesn’t understand and actually gets mad at her for crying over Luke while they’re on their quest to get Annabeth and Artemis back. Thalia is not Thalia without Luke just like how Luke is not Luke without Thalia. They grew up together, fought together, fought for each other, and care more deeply about each other than either is shown to care for anyone else. In fact the betrayal is the only thing that truly shifts those feelings. They are such important pieces in each other’s live that it took a war for their relationship to shift.

Percy doesn’t understand what Luke and Thalia were to each other and he doesn’t want to. He wants to be friends with Thalia, but he won’t compromise his opinion and ignorance of the person Luke was to do it. So he ignores how connected Luke and Thalia are in order to do just that.

- I don’t think it makes sense for Thalia as a character to stay a hunter after she learned Jason was alive

Thalia became a hunter for the immortality so that she wouldn’t have to become the child of the prophecy. I’ve already talked about how I think that Artemis manipulates young traumatized girls into joining the hunters, that combined with the fact that Thalia was very much against joining the hunters for all of ttc proves she never actually wanted to be a hunter. When she no longer has to worry about the prophecy and she gets her brother back, there is no way that she would choose the hunters, who she didn’t want to be a part of in the first place, over her family.

- I think a majority of camp half blood campers (like those who aren’t his friends) are afraid of Percy

Percy is objectively terrifying. He helped win two wars, survived tartarus, has threatened gods, was offered godhood, and has been described as looking incredibly intimidating. There is no way that campers who have never interacted with him before aren’t scared of him. And he’s a seasonal camper, he’s not around enough for most campers to have interacted with him so that they aren’t afraid of him.

- Will Solace hates Percy Jackson and you cannot convince me otherwise

Percy Jackson lead the two battles that ended in Will losing his older brothers. Are those deaths Percy’s fault, they aren’t, not really, but Will is a child who is going to blame someone. That someone is most likely going to be Percy because he was the child of the prophecy and because Percy was incredibly insistent that Will heal Annabeth during the battle of Manhattan while Michael Yew was MIA and dying.

Moving on to stuff that WAS Percy’s fault. Percy tried to strangle Nico di Angelo. It’s not that Nico wasn’t doing anything wrong, it’s not that Percy didn’t have a right to be mad. It’s that Percy was almost SIXTEEN and his response to and to Nico’s mistake was to strangle him. Nico was TWELVE. Yes he was wrong to do what he did, and yes Percy was still a kid, but a sixteen year old knows better, a twelve year old who’s incredibly mentally unstable and has been practically homeless for two years doesn’t.

Nico would tell his boyfriend what happened and Will would understand what was wrong with that situation even if Nico does not. Will would not forgive Percy for that, especially bc Percy has never tried to make it right. So yeah I think Will hates Percy.

- Cabin 11 never recovers from the second titan war and it is Hermes fault, Luke hurt them, Hermes’s actions made it so they would never recover

- I do not think a single child of Hermes likes their father, there will never not be resentment there

Cabin 11 shatters after the titan war. Luke raised and trained everyone in that cabin. They are probably never going to be trusted by the camp the same way ever again, they are probably never going to trust themselves and each other the same way ever again. After all of the hell that was the second titan war, Hermes doesn’t change. He doesn’t interact with them, or raise them, or even do anything more than claim them (which is a requirement because of Percy’s demands after the war). Cabin 11 breaks because of Luke’s betrayal and the war, but Hermes’ not changing his ways after all the pain he caused is what chatters them. And they all hate him for it.

[bright-eyes-strawberry-lies]

Rating PJO Ships

I already made the PJO shipping jar meme (not linking because tumblr hates links) but thought I’d write it out anyway. 

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Solangelo - (5/10) Will is Nico’s unnecessary rebound because Rick couldn’t let someone walk around with a crush on Percy without pairing them off with someone or making them live a life of chastity. The fandom went wild with this ship despite all of their “development” being off the page. Would be better if the building attraction and relationship was given actual page time to develop instead of being rushed. 

Frazel - (10/10) My only complaint is that we didn’t get more of them being the awesome couple they are. The way they went from friends to lovers is perfect. Looks cute but can kick your ass. Very supportive of each other. I am here for biracial power couples. 

Lukercy - (10/10) There are literally dozens of parallels between them and Rick wrote them as soulmates. I love that Luke trained Percy so hard that Percy’s never lost a sword fight except to Luke himself and still hears Luke’s voice in his head guiding him through fights. The subtle ways that Luke constantly gave Percy (and Co) chances to escape from Kronos’ grasp even when he still believed in Kronos was golden. Luke was the only person who was kind to Percy at Camp Half-Blood and trusted Percy to help other demigods when he died? My heart. How Percy now shares all of Luke’s views on the Olympians? Bittersweet irony. I wish that Luke hadn’t died because I’m tired of writing resurrection AUs. 

Percico - (10/10) The most powerful power couple. Nico’s youthful hero worship giving way to love? Sign me up. Percy spending winter looking for Nico to keep him safe and trying to reassure him that he has a place at Camp Half-Blood? Give me more. Making mistakes and forgiving each other for them and their relationship strengthening because of it? Gods, yes. Going to Italy to go gift shopping and flirting? Thank you for this blessing, Rick. If only they had been endgame. 

Thaliabeth - (7/10) Thalia is the only person that Annabeth respects and Thalia has extremely protective feelings toward Annabeth. They would be the nightmare power couple. Murder wives who slay anyone who stands in their way of power and glory. Neither of them would take shit from the other. And honestly, I’m here for it. 

Perachel - (10/10) Mutual respect and open communication are extremely sexy in relationships. Rachel being Percy’s mortal tie and his chance at a normal life; Percy being the one to help Rachel with her powers and clear sight? Please yes. They were really cute and sweet and had so much chemistry. It would have been great if Rick acknowledged that the Oracle isn’t a lifelong job and that Rachel can still date and have sex as long as it isn’t vaginal penetration. 

Percabeth - (0/10) Annabeth hits, pinches, pokes, kicks, ribs, and punches Percy too often for my tastes. She’s got a superiority complex and makes herself feel better by calling him stupid, crazy, and insane. Constantly threatens violence. Annabeth is possessive, jealous, refuses to communicate, and doesn’t respect Percy or allow him to have autonomy. She constantly wants to control what he says and does or doesn’t say/do. She victim blames him multiple times for incidents that were beyond Percy’s control. Percy is scared of her, refuses to argue so that he doesn’t set her off, and thinks Annabeth is going to hurt him every time she so much as looks at him. Percy deserves better. 

Jiper - (5/10) It would have been cool to see them work past the lies and false memories to make a real romantic relationship but I don’t really have a horse in that race. They’re alright. Not bad, not the best. 

Pipeo - (7/10) If the theory that all of Piper’s memories of Jason were actually memories of Leo is true, then I’m here for this. The fact that they were friends before they even knew they were demigods was fantastic. Give me that friends to lovers dynamic and the chaotic trouble they would get into together. They would be unstoppable. 

Caleo - (5/10) Pairing Calypso up with a man boy instead of a man man was a strange choice but Rick likes pairing up teenagers with beings that are over a thousand years old. It’s terribly romantic that Leo kept his promise and came back for Calypso. I like that they decided to leave the demigod life behind to do their own thing. They’ve had enough of the gods! Let them figure themselves out and enjoy each other and life. 

Connabeth - (4/10) The idea is cute if you don’t think about it at all. I think Connor would stand up to Annabeth but she’s been known to wear down three thousand year old centaurs [Chiron] so that he’ll do what she wants...so I’m not sure that Connor actually stands a chance of holding his own against Annabeth. 

Lukethan - (4/10) It would be really cute but they’ve never even spoken to each other in canon. Ethan spoke with Kronos. 

Thaluke - (2/10) Thalia doesn’t like Luke. She withheld a lot of [trivial] information from Luke just because she could and didn’t tell him important info either. She almost definitely knew that Luke would do whatever she wanted him to because she’s got a Look that makes him melt. Thalia is incredibly eager to kill Luke and eventually does. Luke is too dependent and blinded by how much he wanted someone to love him. They’ve got an unhealthy dynamic and I don’t see either of them changing to become better people together. 

Valdangelo - (6/10) They’re both small and cute. That’s all I’ve got. There’s no reason not to ship them. Oh, and Leo warming up a cold Nico with his fire powers is so sweet that I’ve got cavities just thinking about it. 

Jasico - (9/10) Rick was really writing them with romantic troupes during Mark of Athena and House of Hades. When they were paired off with other people, I was actually really surprised. The way that Jason supports Nico’s queerness and the way that Nico can teach Jason that he doesn’t have to live up to stereotypes and other people's expectations...that would have been really good to read. The way that Jason’s death affected Nico really tugged at my heartstrings. I like to think that Nico visits Jason in the Underworld. 

Thalianca - (6/10) The potential of Thalia and Bianca could have been so good and also good for comedy. Imagine Thalia - who missed the past five years - trying to catch Bianca up on the 21st century and being behind on the times. Both of them getting caught up together? Yes. Training together, friendly games and competitions. Midnight rendezvous at Camp Half-Blood. Bianca slowly showing Thalia that not all Hunters of Artemis are bad. Girls supporting each other and growing as people because of their relationship. This is what we could have had. 

[angelsodreamy-no2]

things my friend group and i have texted to each other as things pjo / hoo characters would say irl :

Piper : wife material but not a material because women aren't material.

Jason : *had a birthday cake in a shape of a basket ball, put it outside and forgot to put it back inside until it got ruined the next day because there was a huge storm. Jason : we forgot to save the cake, rip. I hope no one got injured by the ball cake.

Leo : reccommend me a food that reminds you of me. Frank : satay (traditional indonesian food thats like a kebab, but there's only meat in it). Leo : why? Frank : because it's skinny, like you.

Annabeth : i'm going to read in peace.

Rachel : yesterday a canvas fell down on me, now there's a scratch on my face.

Annabeth : *kicks Percy from the group. Jason : i thought you were joking when you said you wanted to kick him out. Annabeth : since when do i joke? *adds him back the next day

Piper : i blame everyone or objects to justify my actions.

Percy : at least your little sister didn't break your precious furby.

Piper : i'm bored, does anyone want to tell me about their life problems?

Leo : post embarrassing pics of me

Percy : begging everyone to please not follow my mom on instagram, i'm being serious *spams crying face emojies

Annabeth : lol i just found out that percy had a snail named bobo bear *teases him even more. Percy : that was frank's you idiot. Annabeth : ooh, nevermind.

Piper : you look like a scrawny little boy in this pic, but it's okay because we all have our bad moments. except for me.

Nico : *sends a pic of the 7. Hazel : percy and jason look like couple goals.

Hazel : leo looks like a cartoon character.

Annabeth : just be a genius, or do a brain transplant with someone who's already a genius. other than with me of course.

Nico : i don't know what to answer. Will : try again or just give up.

Thalia : because a true friend will always bully you.

Percy : de heck just happened.

Hazel : guys i want to run away and live in a beautiful cottage thats located in the middle of nowhere, with a beautiful garden and some pet cats. i'd also like some pretty dresses and a tiny library. i'll let anyone but leo visit, and nico only for special occasions.

Piper : tag yourself as characters from barbie life in the dream house, i'm raquelle. leo's ryan, the rest of you pick. Percy : jason should be barbie and i'll be ken. Annabeth : i'll be skipper instead and hazel can be chelsea, meaning frank gets to be the sassy dog. Hazel : i'll take the horse instead, nico can be skipper.

[thatonefandomjumper]

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#i also thinks magnus's snarky commentary would really fun to read while he's trying to get some shut eye and nobody is shutting up

My Top Posts in 2021

#5

First and last spoken lines of riordanverse characters; Part 2. (Only includes main 21 books)

Thalia

First: "Well, Seaweed Brain? One of us has to get out of here."

Last: "Great hunter, this one. I knew she would be. We'll get that fox one of these days."

Rachel

First: "Oh my god! Do you always kill people when they blow they're nose!"

Last: "Hades wouldn't mind you traipsing down to Tartarus?"

Will

First: "It's not so bad, Annabeth. A few more minutes and we would have been in trouble, but the venom hasn't gotten past the shoulder yet. Just lie still. Somebody hand me some nectar."

Last: "Well, it didn't sound good."

Lester

First: "No! No, it wasn't! Please!"

Last: "Always. The sun always comes back."

Apollo

First: "Little sister! What's up. You never call. You never write. I was getting worried!"

Last: "Oh, of course. Take care of yourself, Piper McLean."

Meg

First: "Hey! Leave him alone."

Last: "You'll come back?"

Grover

First: "It's okay. I like peanut butter."

Last: "Sleep well, you guys. And good luck. I have a feeling I'll see you again before... Yeah."

Calypso

First: "Stay still. You're too weak to rise."

Last: "I hate you."

Lavinia

First: "I hate those things."

Last: "You better come back and see me. And don't die. I will kick your butt with my new dancing shoes if you die."

Ella

First: "Cheese. Ella doesn't like cheese."

Last: "The Tower of Nero. New York, I bet. Yep!"

Tyson

First: "I... I am a freak?"

Last: "Oh! Oh! I would take a rocket ship!"

Chiron

First: "Mr. Jackson, did you have a comment?"

Last: "You did well, Apollo. You are always welcome here at camp."

Clarisse

First: "Well! A newbie!"

Last: "All right, all right. Give the kid some space. "

Part 1, Part 3 Part 4

119 notes • Posted 2021-09-26 22:18:42 GMT

#4

Percy: This is my girlfriend, Annabeth

Nico: This is my boyfriend, Will

Leo: This is my Jason, boyfriend

Leo:

Leo: Fuck

123 notes • Posted 2021-10-07 19:47:18 GMT

#3

Trials of Apollo really was just; Kick Apollo in the face until he has reached sufficient character development.

156 notes • Posted 2021-05-25 13:05:34 GMT

#2

Expanding the 'Leo had a crush on every single member of the Argo ii' headcanon

His first crush was definitely Piper, back at the wilderness school and he avoided it completely because she was his first real friend. (Or, he didn't and Hera replaced the memories of him with Jason, cuz I really like that theory)

Then Jason fucking Grace came along.

Hera didn't implant any sort of romantic memories into Leo's mind so he fell for Jason all on his own.

Jason was also his bi awakening and he most definitely freaked out by that, so he started playing up his "Straight boy who flirts with all the ladies" act

Of course, that whole thing was never sincere

He was of course happy for the two of them when they entered a relationship but he was sceacretly dying inside a little bit

Good thing he spent 99% of his time building the Argo during that time so he had other things to worry about.

Annabeth sometimes checks up on the progress and during that time he starts developing feelings for her too

But it's not as intense as Jason and Piper, so he mostly does a good job of ignoring it

He was attracted to Hazel pretty much the moment they met

And his feelings for Frank came after they're talk underwater

At this point, he's started avoiding Percy for fear of being attracted to him in some way

But the guy eventually comes to apologize for blaming him for the eidolon attack

And that's when the damn feelings finally kick in

Nico was a bit different

There wasn't really a moment of realization, but it was a lot more gradual. He pretty much realized he also liked him around the time they entered The house of Hades.

What happens after that or how it changes things is pretty much up for interpretation, but I personally think this is peak fanfic material.

172 notes • Posted 2021-09-08 23:47:07 GMT

#1

First and last narrated sentences of riordanverse characters (Only includes main 21 books, no spoken sentences)

Percy

First: Look, I didn't want to be a half-blood.

Last: The Argo II sailed into the night.

Annabeth

First: Until she met the exploding statue, Annabeth thought she was prepared for anything.

Last: They held the doors shut as the elevator shuddered and the music played, while somewhere below them, a titan and a giant sacrificed their lives for their escape.

Jason

First: Even before he got electrocuted, Jason was having a rotten day.

Last: The explosion turned the entire sky gold.

Piper

First: After a morning of storm spirits, goat men and flying boyfriends, Piper should have been loosing her mind.

Last: It might even be possible to tell a new story in which Leo was still out there. Somewhere...

Leo

First: Leo's tour was going great until he learned about the dragon.

Last: The bronze dragon spread his wings, and they soared into the unknown.

Hazel

First: Hazel felt like she'd just introduced two nuclear bombs.

Last: At the rail next to Coach Hedge, a dark haird girl appeared, wearing a purple cloak, her face so covered in soot and bloody scratches that Hazel almost didn't recognize her. Reyna had arrived.

Frank

First: As he marched to the war games, Frank replayed the day in his mind.

Last: He hadn't come this far to stand around helplessly while his friends were in trouble.

Reyna

First: Dive-bombing into a volcano was not on Reyna's bucket list.

Last: The onagers had shot their first volley.

Nico

First: The last thing Nico heard was Coach Hedge grumbling.

Last: Then he walked back across the green, where Will Solace was waiting.

Carter

First: We only have a few hours, so listen carefully.

Last: I did as she commanded, no magic necessary. I shut up.

Sadie

First: [Give me the bloody mic] Hullo. Sadie here.

Last: Don't let your magic go to waste. Brooklyn house is open for business.

Magnus

First: Yeah, I know. You guys are going to read about how I died in agony.

Last: Sometimes, even Loki can be right.

Lester/Apollo

First: My name is Apollo, I used to be a god.

Last: I will be there for you.

660 notes • Posted 2021-08-26 17:14:28 GMT

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[thejudgingtrash]

My unpopular opinion: Chiron is a horrible teacher, protector, whatever. He’s as bad dumbledor. He often manipulates children and put them in danger? Also is RR really trying to tell me not one single demigod from before percy’s generation made it to adulthood? Not even demigods of minor gods? If not then why haven’t we heard from them, why weren’t they called to fight in the war so that literal children didn’t have to? I have more but I’m not brave enough to post them lol

Fuck, I gotta check my asks more often. Too much stuff laying around and oh please people! Send your stuff in! Don’t be shy! It’s so interesting to see what’s on your mind! Let’s have that conversation and ask me!! :D I mean a bunch of people agreed and disagreed with my stances (Part 1/Part 2), let’s see how I feel about yours!

Anyway HERE WE GO BOYS! LET’S GO LESBIANS LET’S GO! 

LET’S HAVE THAT WHOLE DAMN ESSAY!

Chiron is clearly a self insert from Riordan. I mean come on…

That’s a solid Chiron if I see one. Which is pretty ironic as Chiron’s the shitty teacher who we all know and love. Got something to admit, Riordan? You as a former teacher? HMM?

Hiding incompetence under the disguise of the gentle old wise teacher is definitely something that Dumbledore and Chiron share. Chiron is the old centaur who lived for aeons and helped out the most famous heroes of their times, so shouldn’t modern times be considered to be an easier job for him? He’s barely present, highkey vague and has absolutely no problems with tossing children literally out into the open across the entire fucking US and A to clean the gods’ bathroom messes.

Had the heroes been in their 20s like in the original myths (or even older) it would’ve made more sense to let them find their own ways. It would be rude,  but somewhat okay. You could expect adults to find the way and connect the dots. But this is just messing with a bunch of 12 year olds because you can at this point.

Chiron is that supposed sweet teacher that just fucks up. We all had one, you know the one. Seems gentle and nice and but has clearly chosen the wrong job. Don’t know if that’s the trauma of living that long and/or seeing kids dying constantly that’s hitting him in the back of the head.

I have the feeling that people are projecting their teacher fantasies on to him just like step-father fantasies that include Paul. Because we want a guide who is trustworthy, we want an authoritative figure that we can share our concerns with and who guides us to solid solutions without betraying our trust.

But like I said, he’s essentially sending out kids to deathly missions and encouraging deep traumas. Yes, we can partially blame Chiron, but most of the blame goes to the gods who enable and encourage this weird dynamic. Would all of them straight up cut the bullshit and mostly resolve their own issues without using their children as pawns, it would’ve been easier for everyone involved. Additionally, there are many kids in camp to keep busy, look after and care for. I don’t know how many there were pre-TLO but I’d assume the number was in the hundreds? Of course, in larger cabins are camp counsellors that help out and guide next to camp schedules. But since Percy’s the only kid in the Poseidon cabin I guess that thought went south? Percy being the special kid would actually mean that there should be a focus on him unless you’re going for the “I’m neutral” spiel. Chiron knew from day one that Percy was walking Poseidon seed, come on.

Also like I somewhat implied, seeing people die left and right might have impacted Chiron to make him feel indifferent/despressed (could also be a stretch, who knows). Which isn’t an excuse, but might explain some takes. Explaining the same stuff for millennia in its essentials is probably getting tiring.

I think this is the third time that I mentioned it on my blog but showing and telling are the most powerful story telling concepts/fundamentals and you see Rowling and Riordan constantly failing at that which is concerning. Instead of Chiron (or Dumbledore) just simply getting down to the point and telling and explaining stuff briefly, he only eludes, vaguely formulates and it is simply confusing especially for a child in a brand new environment who just lost his mother (if we’re speaking about TLT). This does nothing but add more stress in such a fragile situation especially when a new and bigger threat makes its way.

There’s also the discussion on how much of Greek myth Percy actually gets. He has the basic/ obvious knowledge which many tend to forget. He doesn’t come in with no knowledge. He had Latin classes back at the academy, he studies with Annabeth, he knows some of the monsters. What he simply doesn’t know, is the magic of it all. That is the most confusing part for him.

The actual magic is not explained, which it doesn’t have to be in all of its entirety, but needs to be addressed somehow and gradually.

Percy asking a simple question like how the camp stays sunny and covered 24/7 and how the wardens work and Chiron casually sitting here like you a stoopid one

doesn’t help.

What many people forget: Magic doesn’t erase logic. Even in a magical setting, unless clearly stated, there has to be some kind of logic to connect the dots. It doesn’t need to be a clear cut A to B, but it should be comprehensible for both the readers and the characters in a particular situation. And that’s just not happening for Percy as the character. This also sets up the premise of Percy being ”stupid” which he isn’t. He is surrounded by incompetent teachers and staff that don’t bother telling him how things work and assume that he’ll just manage.

Yeah. Both Dumbledore and Chiron are awfulness in a sweet calm disguise.

Onto part two of the ask. I have had so many talks with people on that exact problem. It simply boils down to one issue:

Rick Riordan‘s inconsistency in world building and setting. The story telling doesn’t make any sense.

So kids are dying like flies before 18 but many are also super famous and in powerful positions? Many are historical figures that made it well over 18? Make that make sense. Also was WW2 supposed to be kicked off by some 12 year olds with that logic? The biggest man made catastrophe of the modern era boiled down to a bunch of fighting kids? No. We all know it. Just simply no. I actually don’t mind the WW2 background but Riordan should’ve given it another thought and be a bit more sensitive…? Like the whole fascist gang being team Hades? Uhh… sure…. nope.

Also the same logic applies to Civil War? You’re telling me a bunch of kids were supposed to have started this stance? Who was for and who was against slavery then? What in the actual fuck? Using children as child soldiers to stand in for these large complex historical issues that stretch over years and show many of humanity’s horrifying sides is just….eh.

No. This whole thing about campers dying as soon as they reach the magic number of 18 are either bedtime stories to scare the kids or toughen them up orrrr my guess, Riordan actually managed yet again to fuck up his own lore.

It’s the same logic with New Rome. You have a whole city full of adults but have a few kids run that bitch? You did your ten years of service as a child soldier and then do one of these?

As if adults magically exit this world. Like is that the reason why Percy’s been 17 for a whole damn decade? Because otherwise he gotta hand riptide in and all of the boys scout medals he has collected so far? Adults would’ve had the experience and expertise to win those fights but it would break the magic and charm of the books that a bunch of kids are saving the world for the younger demographic. Let’s do not forget that the targeted audience of the books are middle schoolers. Makes somewhat sense with PJO but with HOO Riordan really shot himself in the leg. He should’ve matured the OG characters at least.

(Also speaking about the actual myths again. A good chunk of them died in their 20s/30s/40s. Odysseus guided as an old man. The heroes weren’t twelve and dipping by the age of 16. The Trojan war went on for 10 years for example. So whereas the real Perseus lived a longer life and had a somewhat happy ending in comparison to his peers, he wasn’t the only one that made it into adulthood.)

Riordan mixing up his own lore is just a shame. Yes, it’s human and he already gets a lot of flag for other stuff. I also get it as a writer with my fanfic where I really have to scroll up to search tiny details that I’ve embedded and not noted down. Perhaps it’s my inner capitalist speaking, but for I’m way more forgiving towards a free product, a gift like a fanfic, rather than something I’ve paid actual money for when it comes to this. The process of publishing a book is large. You mean to tell me that there was no editor at Disney that bothered to fact check? Riordan got a check from us all and doesn’t even bother looking up his own stuff. A little bit more effort, Ricardo. Please. You have an entire damn wiki you could use to check for free if you’re too lazy to read your own books/don’t use authors softwares. Like what?

It’s stupid. You know it, I know it. And as you can see, I fully agree with you.

[lesbian4lqg]

sorry in advance bc this is a mess but,,,,,,, a cql musical but its just songs i have downloaded

- we start off w mxy singing a sad mitski song. if not, go staright for chaos and give us penelope scott. just for kicks

- all of wwx's songs from the fall of lotus pier to his death are either from the crane wives' album safe ship harbored ("i give up my aight to see/ i give up my air to breathe"? "i will drown for you/ sink to black from blue/ and let the water win/ ... i am not afraid to give you everything"? "the noble are weary, the noble are weary/ this cradle still burns like a hole in my chest/ can anyone hear me, can anyone hear me/ the crooked are smiling, they know me the best/ if mercys abound i'll be safe i'll be sound/ and the devil wont know of the love i just couldnt let go/ i wont pretend my season wont end/ but i pray when its done when its through i'll have something left for you"? fucking brutal.) or lord huron

- mxy!wwx gets peace w devils by palmer st. clair, our hearts by firehorse, and little boy by barns courtney

- lwj only sings hozier's songs (like did we listen to shrike? the righteous anger of be? talk? from eden? every single one would give lqr a qi deviation)

- nhs and jgy sing marina's songs but nhs specifically gets scab&plaster and bubblegum bitch. that is all.

- ok thats not all bc nhs deserves fire by delta rae, the knife by maggie rogers, eureka moment by the big moon, when the curtain falls by gvf, and mile magnificent by molly ofgeography so im gonna give it those to him

- jc gets blame and i and love and you by the avett brothers but like,,,,,, as a soliloquy. also good kid from the pjo musical

- jc and wwx need thick as theives by shinedown in there somewhere but,,,,,, idk

- somebody needs to take "go to sleep" by the avett brothers

- wq gets some marika hackman bc,,,,,, gay

- one if the wen siblings gets dyin day by anais mitchell????

- sorry about this but lxc gets no light no light by florence+the machine

- lxc deserves some maggie rogers but idk what

- wen ning gets dust bowl dance by mumford&sons

- nmj and jgy have curses by the crane wives energy

[achillesmonochrome]

Percy had shared some disturbing stories about Nico. His loyalties weren’t always clear. He spent more time with the dead than the living. Once, he’d lured Percy into a trap in the palace of Hades. Maybe Nico had made up for that by helping the Greeks against the Titans, but still …

- House of Hades (Hardcover version), Pg 267.

Ok, I know Jason was being a fucking ass with Nico at this point (believe me, I want to kick his ass to high noon and Jason is one of my favorites) but at this point, I was reading this (or re-reading, technically) and I thought “Fucking hell Percy what the hell you told Jason”

Jason has been unfair with Nico until this point (saying how creepy he is, how he reminds him of a ghoul) but I don’t doubt that it has to do with whatever Percy told him.

(No, I don’t think is all Percy’s fault, Jason like I mention multiple times in less than 3 paragraphs, is also an asshole here)

Reading this pisses me off, a lot; like sure Jason has already being unfair with Nico, even before Percy had the chance to share whatever he said; but Jason has met Nico as a ambassador of Pluto who for sure was wary with the romans (both because he doesn’t want to be discover, and because Nico at this point is just wary of everyone) and now with him being like this; that again, piss me off how everyone is judging him and nobody has ever consider how fucking traumatic must had been being in Tartarus. 

But Percy at this point, must be the demigod that knows Nico the best; Percy has seen Nico before Bianca died, he knew he was child of Hades and how his father behaved with him; Percy has know Nico since he started his demigod journey and knows a handful of things he has done. Hazel probably didn’t know much of this, since Nico needed to keep stuff a secret; Percy has know Nico for more time too. 

Which makes a lot worse the fact that Percy is saying all this bullshit. 

His loyalties weren’t always clear 

The fuck does that mean? Sure he wasn’t on Percy side during the Labyrinth, but he knows why it was that way, and is not like he was in Kronos side either; and that changed by the end of that summer. 

Once, he’d lured Percy into a trap in the palace of Hades

Are you serious Percy? Why it sounds that Percy left behind details in that conversation? 

Ok I haven’t read PJO in years so my memory is fuzzy, but I remember this much: for starters, yes, Nico knew he was guiding Percy to Hades, but he thought Hades just wanted to talk to Percy, Nico make sure that he would not harm Percy; he thought Hades would just talk to Percy, and then they would go to get the curse of Achilles. 

Let alone why Nico did all of this; he wanted to know about his mom. Nico lost his memories from his childhood, he lost the only family he had (well, mortal family), sure, Nico is powerful and knows how to hold his ground; but he is just a 12 kid who is lonely and confuse. 

Nico was just as tricked as Percy was; not to mention that Nico got him out of the prison as soon as he could; despite the fact that it would mean angering Hades, you know, one of the fucking Big Three. 

But it really, REALLY, doesn’t sound like Percy told that much to Jason; perhaps is because I cannot blame Nico with all the information we know, but I don’t see how Jason could know all of this and still blame Nico for it. 

Maybe Nico had made up for that by helping the Greeks against the Titans, but still …

Oh, fuck off, and that goes for both Percy and Jason this time. 

Percy, you are literally alive because of Nico. While everybody was expecting you to die because the prophecy said so and oh what can you do, Nico was looking for a way to make sure you survived. Keep in mind that Nico has less than two years knowing he was a demigod, surviving without Chiron’s training, and who knows where he learns all of this stuff; and he got this idea. Not even Annabeth, the daughter of Athena who has been reading all aspects of mythology she could find; thought of this. 

Nico got an army of skeletons, and convinced his father to fight; and Percy knows Nico almost die for this, Nico was literally yelling at one of the most powerful Greek Gods, knowing he already disobey him. All, just to get more in danger for joining a literal fight.

And perhaps Jason doesn’t know any of this, seeing the amount of bullshit Percy told him, I wouldn’t be surprised; but Jason knows well enough that Nico went to Tartarus to learn how to close the doors of death. 

Nico voluntarily went to the worst place imaginable, a place even the fucking gods are scared of it; in order to help with the prophecy. That almost killed him, and not only because he was captured by giants. 

This is something I had said before, that I know other people said before, but as far as I know, the narrative has never mention, and it pisses me off; but: Nico always did all of this stuff voluntarily. 

All of the seven are here for a prophecy, and a bunch of times they had mention how they would prefer to be anywhere else; most probably they would still help with the war, but would do it in other ways if they could. And hey I cannot blame them, I’m adult and I don’t want to battle a primordial being and be responsible of saving humanity or letting it to it’s demise; imagine that on top of that, you are a teenager who has some type of trauma because demigod life is just like that.

But Nico? To this point, he NEVER had a prophecy telling him to do something; every single time he has risked his life, was because he made that decision, to do the right thing even if he may die for it, even if is obviously dangerous. 

What more evidence you need of somebody being on your side? 

...

(Sigh) I don’t even know why I bother with this post, that book would be what, 7 years of published in september/october? And I know both Jason and Percy started being idiots on this regard.

But fuck, no wonder why Nico thought nobody wanted him around; not even the people who know him the best think highly of him. Imagine Camp Half Blood. 

(I would die thinking Nico wasn’t exaggerating when he said people at CHB didn’t like him; we had books and books of people calling him a creep and judging him for stupid reasons; Will shouldn’t judge the life of somebody he barely knows in the first place)

[hoesidon]

Alrighty so since I’m bored let’s talk about a single dads au lmao:

The PJO/HoO boys have one of those dad groups where dads just get together while their kids play together and they just hang out and talk shit and drink juice boxes

Meet the ‘Hot Single Dads’ group:

Percy Jackson: the laidback and relaxed dad who the other dads sort of look to for advice because he seems to know what the fuck he’s doing. Juniper calls him a living miracle because he can get any screaming child to calm down in minutes. Has an eight year old son named Theo with an ex college girlfriend. Pining hard after Jason. Coaches his son’s swim team. Moms (and dads) love him. Teachers have a love hate relationship with him

Grover Underwood: the Epitome of the Stay At Home Dad. He’s got all the healthy snacks and a first aid kit on him at all times. Panics when his kid eats sand. Father to Willow (9), Nova (6), and Ash (2). Husband to Juniper. Allowed in the Hot Single Dads group because he’s Percy’s best friend since middle school and he’s got a lot of common sense and he’s great with kids. He’s also the one who tries to plan out meeting days around everyone’s busy schedules. Grover is the king of diy and crafts, and all the kids love him. All the neighborhood kids make Grover flower crowns during the summer and he'll wear them as long as he can before adding it to the collection of crafts kids have made him in his room

Frank Zhang: a nervous new dad fresh out of college who asks a lot of questions and has a lot of concerns. Has a four month old daughter named Anya with his best friend and ex-girlfriend Hazel. They met in high school and were best friends but didn’t date until college. But soon after realized they were better off as friends. Doesn’t go anywhere without Anya strapped to his chest. Works as a firefighter with Percy.

Nico di Angelo: not a dad yet because he’s in the process of adopting but hangs out with the group for advice and tips. The kids love him because he’s like their fun uncle. Accidentally got roped into babysitting Theo for a night once and realized he’s actually really great with kids and decided he wanted to adopt.

Leo Valdez: the dad who just does not give a fuck and also the fun dad. His kids eating a Cheeto they found in the sand? Shit happens. His twin boys, Mieczysław and Salvador (7), are menaces. Doesn’t like to show it but is constantly stressed out and worries that he’s not enough for his boys and wonders if he’s doing the right thing. He’s that one crazy wild friend from college you’re shocked to find out years later that they have a child. Leo is the one who introduces Jason to the group.

Jason Grace: new to the group as a newly single dad who’s worried he’s not enough. Has an eight year old son and a five year old daughter. Pining hard after Percy. Coaches his son’s baseball team. Moms (and dads) also love him. PTA Dad. The Mom™ friend turned Dad. Always has snacks, wet wipes, and hand sanitizer on hand. If you need anything, anything at all, there’s a 98% chance that Jason has it on hand. Shares joint-custody with his ex-wife and best friend Piper.

After his divorce from his ex-wife, Leo tells Jason about this Dad Support Group he’s in and that he should accompany him to their next meeting with the kids

Jason is skeptical at first but decides what’s the harm in going to one meeting

He wasn’t expecting to fall hopelessly in love at first sight with one of the other dads

“It’s Percy isn’t it? Can’t say I blame you. He’s got the looks of a Greek God.”

Leo teases him immensely for it and gives Jason a knowing look every time he catches him looking at Percy

Percy is a Terrible flirt

“So you coach your son’s baseball team? That’s great! Theo loves baseball.” “Dad I hate baseball.”

Grover likes to tease Percy for it but Percy reminds him that it took him two years just to gain the courage to hold Juniper’s hand

Aside from pining, Jason enjoys hanging out with the boys

He and Nico hit it off quite nicely. He also enjoys teasing Leo about his not-so-secret crush on Nico

He and Frank become workout buddies

Percy tried to join them on their workout days after Annabeth said he had the beginnings of a Dad Bod forming but between work, coaching Theo’s swim team and keeping up with his other long list of extracurricular activities, he just doesn’t have the time

He’s learning to embrace his Dad Bod

Grover has fully embraced the Dad Bod

Grover and Frank get along a lot because they’re both sorta nervous dads who worry about their kids a lot

And so Frank usually goes to Grover for all of his questions like “is this normal?” “She bumped her head is she okay?” “What can I do for this??”

And Grover gives him all sorts of advice and healthy snacks

Jason and Percy’s boys are competitive little buttwipes and are always getting into fights

“I bet I can run faster than you.” “I bet I can kick this ball farther than you.” “I bet I can swing higher than you.” “I bet I can study faster than you.”

Percy settles their arguments by getting in-between them, hauls his son over his shoulder, and brings him to the side and calmly talks to him in a low voice

Jason just watches like “Damn that shouldn’t have been that hot” before he realizes he probably should have a word with his son as well

Unfortunately for Jason he’s hopelessly in love and he’s like 99.9% sure Percy is dating Annabeth

Everyone thinks that Percy's in a relationship with Annabeth because they’re so close and she loves his kid

It also doesn’t help that Theo refers to Annabeth as ‘Mom’

So Jason just has to pine away and being the child he is, pulls at Percy's pigtails cause he can't deal with his crush

Frank decides to throw a fourth of July BBQ and Annabeth comes and Jason is trying to make conversation

Jason thinks he’s subtle but he’s not. 

“Your son Theo is a very charming boy, very polite. You must be very proud.” “Theo isn’t my son.” “Oh, I’m so sorry. Are you his step mom?” “No. Godmother.”

Annabeth laughs at Jason’s confused face and goes “If I was looking for a romantic partner maybe but nah. Percy and I are just best friends. I babysit Theo a lot.” (She’s hella ace and aro)

It’s obvious that he likes Percy

And Percy being Percy, he can't see it

One night like a month before the BBQ, he’s over at Annabeth's drinking and lamenting about this beautiful blond dad(dy) who Leo introduced to their Hot Single Dads group who's "literally captain America Annabeth, I swear I would go to war for that ass"

Annabeth recruits Reyna and Rachel to help her get these two idiots together

Side plot, Nico's surprisingly good with kids, especially Leo's twin terrors, and they get together cause the twins Conspire™ and Plot™ to do so

Cue many Hallmark movie shenanigans

Nico is one of the only one who’s can actually get the little devils to listen and behave. Leo is in awe and in love.

Leo gets asked about his sons’ names a lot

Leo: “Those two little demons playing on the monkey bars are mine. Mischief and Managed.” Frank: “...you named your sons Mischief and Managed?” Leo: “No, of course not. That’s just what they like to be called.”

Calypso is half Greek and half Polish and wanted to name Mieczysław after her grandfather. Unfortunately Mieczysław could never quite pronounce his name correctly so he goes by Mischief instead

Calypso also wanted to name Salvador after a character from Game of Thrones but Leo had to draw the line at Drogon. He already agreed to Mieczysław, he wasn’t naming his son Daenerys or Drogon

And since the twins are really into Harry Potter and Mieczysław goes by Mischief, Sal likes to go by Managed

Percy originally created Struggling Dads (Leo later changed the name to ‘Hot Single Dads Who Are Also Fortunately Not Heterosexual’) so his son could learn how to socialize and hopefully make some friends. He immediately regretted everything once he met Leo’s twin terrors

The children basically make up the Marauders irl