#also Gaemon is the son of Aegon II

[what-is-canon]

Post-Dance AU (because I hate how George decided to completely eradicate the Greens *cough* Alicent’s *cough* line)

Jaehaera survives the assassination attempt by Unwin Peake because that poor girl did not deserve that horrific end and that’s that.

She and Aegon III bond over time, because these traumatized kids deserve some happiness and you know what? Maybe they are the only two people in the world right now who understand even a semblance of what the other has gone through (Aegon watched his mother die, Jaehaera watched her twin brother be slaughtered) and maybe they both recognize that neither of them is responsible for what their families did to each other so why should they resent one another?

Over time they become a great comfort to each other. On the days where one is particularly gloomy, the other sits by them and holds their hand and they are content to sit in silence together and neither needs to say what they’re feeling because the other already knows.

They are both very close with Gaemon Palehair. He and Aegon are close for the same reasons as within canon, while Jaehaera believes that Gaemon truly is her half-sibling, her last remaining brother.

Eventually, Alyn Velaryon brings Viserys II home from Essos, but the boy comes alone (a 12-year-old boy married to a 19-year-old woman, yeah I think the fuck not, not in my history, and besides even if they had been closer in age Larra Rogare hated Westeros so let her stay in Essos like she wanted and live her own life there and be happy).

Like in canon, Aegon is somewhat neglectful of his wife and friend in the wake of his brother’s return, but Jaehaera and Gaemon understand his actions. Anyway, they still have each other for company. Viserys is incredibly distrustful of Jaehaera, and Aegon pleads with Viserys to be more understanding of their marriage and the comfort they have found in each other.

Aegon decides to hold a feast to celebrate Viserys’s return. Viserys spends most of the festivities with Baela and Rhaena, preferring not to fraternize with the daughter of the man who killed his mother. In the company of his sisters is Daenaera Velaryon (aged up in to be closer in age to Viserys because an 11-year-old boy and a 6-year-old girl? It’s a no from me).

Daenaera manages to cheer Viserys with her happy nature, and he’s quite taken by how pretty she is. Unwin Peake, having never been exposed as the one behind Jaehaera’s assassination attempt (as is also the case in canon) brings his daughter to the feast in the hopes that she will catch the eye of Viserys, but Viserys has already taken a shine to Daenaera, ruining his plans once again.

The pair begin to exchange letters and (like Aegon and Jaehaera) bond over their losses. Viserys tells Aegon about his correspondence with Daenaera, and when Aegon tells Jaehaera, she decides to invite Daenaera to court as her lady-in-waiting. Viserys is delighted, and slowly begins to warm to Jaehaera.

As in canon, Aegon’s removal of the dragon eggs from the Red Keep causes a rift between the brothers. Unwin Peake continues to plot treason, conspiring to kill Aegon and Jaehaera so that Viserys may become King and take his daughter as his bride. But if his daughter is to become Viserys’s Queen, Daenaera Velaryon must also be removed. It is no secret by now that Viserys is very taken with the the girl, and intends to marry her.

Jaehaera and Daenaera eat the canonical poisoned tarts during a private dinner organized for the four. Aegon and Viserys narrowly avoid poisoning as they are delayed by a Small Council meeting. As in canon, Gaemon dies, devastating both Aegon and Jaehaera. The rift between Aegon and Viserys is mended as they help their respective ladies recover. Aegon and Jaehaera comfort each other through the loss of Gaemon, and Viserys proposes marriage to Daenaera, which she accepts. Oh, and Unwin Peake is finally exposed and executed (I still cannot believe this man escaped justice in canon, but not on my watch).

The four form a strong unit within the Red Keep and are, well, as happy as four traumatized young adults can be. They finally have the family each was deprived of at such a young age. Aegon eventually names Viserys his Hand, Jaehaera gives birth to Aegon’s five children, and Daenaera gives birth to Viserys’s three.

But unfortunately, canonical events must still come to pass. Aegon and Jaehaera pass away within months of each other in 157 AC; Daenaera dies some years later, and Viserys becomes his stern canonical self in the wake of her death. The crown passes from Aegon, to Daeron, to Baelor, to Viserys himself, to Aegon IV, who legitimizes the Blackfyres- who are now the descendants of both the Blacks and the Greens.

[befooremoonrisee]

to me one of grrm's biggest screw-ups is not letting gaemon and jaehaera grow into adulthood, because the dynamics those two could have with aegon lend themselves to so much.

you're aegon iii and you're forced to marry the daughter of the man who killed your mother and your brothers. her only friend is her dragon and you hate dragons because one killed your mother in front of you and two others killed your brothers. she hates you and would kill you if that didn't mean her own demise. your best friend is also a son of aegon ii, but he hates him too, as he is responsible for the death of his mothers, he was a pretender, he is a nice kid who wants to help people just like you. he's the only one that understands you.

you're jaehaera, your father won the war, but you're forced to become the wife of the son of the man who killed your twin, the woman who put a bounty on your other brother's head and who drove your mother to suicide. your grandmother, the only family you have left, is crazy with grief, she wants you to kill aegon. you're just a child. your dragon is a wretched delicate thing, just like you, your husband hates it. he is afraid of it, it makes you happy. your only brother (if he is your brother) doesn't like you, he spends all his time with aegon, you try to bond with him, but he is not jaehaerys. he will never be.

you're gaemon, son of a whore, bastard of a king. you were the hope of the smallfolk, a path for liberation, but the royals came and they killed your moms. now you're their pet, their tool to avoid being poisoned. you love aegon, he shares the same wounds as you, but you resent him, he is using your body, your life, that's what you smallfolk are for the royals, just pawns in their little games. maybe you're tired of it. then viserys comes back and you're discarded, not longer a friend, but just a tool. jaehaera claims she's your sister, but she isn't, aegon is nothing to you, she creeps you out, she understands what being a hostage is.

[libraryoffandomsuniverse]

the root of the root and the bud of the bud

Series masterlist

Not a drabble this time, but my headcanons about Rhaenyra and Reader's children! Don't worry, more fics are in the works.

Possible spoilers for future events in this series. Fic title comes from one of my all time favourite poets, EE Cummings!!

Jacaerys

Daddy's boy. Follows Reader around and mimics his mannerisms almost unconsciously.

Has the lightest skin out of all the children - just a shade darker than Rhaenyra. He also has black hair like Rhaenys, and dark purple eyes.

He was crowned Queen of Love and Beauty by Baela after she entered a tourney in disguise.

His first daughter marries Gaemon and succeeds him as Queen. His second daughter married Cregan Stark's son Rickon.

Rider of Vermax.

Lucerys

Mama's boy.

Very affectionate, he'd often run up to his parents and attack them with kisses before running away to keep playing.

Also has Rhaenys' black hair but resembles Reader more than Rhaenyra.

He was devastated when he realised that him being the Lord of Driftmark meant that Reader and Corlys would be dead.

Him and Rhaena slept together before they were wed and their first child was born 7 moons after the wedding.

Rider of Arrax.

Baelon (canon Joffrey)

Looks exactly like Reader photocopied himself - there's nothing of Rhaenyra.

Becomes Daemon's squire and earns a reputation for being bloodthirsty.

He was a biter as a toddler until Luke bit him back. He stopped doing so after that.

Travels across the Seven Kingdoms to dispense the Queen's (and later King's) justice for Rhaenyra and Jace.

Summerhall was built for him.

Rider of Tyraxes.

Aegon

The quietest out of all the children.

Has Rhaenyra's hair, which he keeps very short.

Has sailed to Essos numerous times and has almost been captured by pirates twice.

Oversees the Stepstones.

Loves art, particularly painting.

A family man, prefers to spend his free time with his children.

Rider of Stormcloud.

Gaemon (canon Viserys II)

The tallest of Rhaenyra and Reader's sons and you bet he bragged about it.

Studied at the Citadel and earned 4 links.

Travelled widely across Essos and owns a manse in Volantis.

The first of Rhaenyra and Reader's children to not have an egg hatch in their cradle. He later claims Vermithor when he's five and ten.

Becomes Jace's Hand.

Marries Jace's oldest daughter and becomes King Consort like his father.

Visenya

Loves fashion and prefers to wear blue or pink.

She can speak several languages including the Summer Tongue.

Acted as Rhaenyra's scribe when the Queen was hearing petitions.

Both her and Aemma are doted on and spoilt by their brothers.

Knows self defence, but doesn't like getting dirty. She does have a interest in poisons though.

Rider of Tessarion.

Aemma

Visenya's fraternal twin. Rhaenyra and Reader thought there was only one baby so they were very surprised when another appeared.

She likes archery and always carries a dagger with her.

Acts as Jace's unofficial Master of Whispers during his reign.

She sings and plays the harp.

Although her cradle egg goes cold, she eventually claims Shrykos when she is six name days.

[goodqueenaly]

Do you think Gaemon Palehair really was Aegon II's bastard, or that at least Aegon III believed he was?

Maybe? On a purely practical level, at least, Gaemon being the son of the future King Aegon II does not seem impossible. Aegon the Elder was certainly living in King’s Landing at the time Gaemon was conceived, and if Gaemon’s mother was herself already living in King’s Landing (and there is no indication that she and Gaemon settled in King's Landing after the latter's birth), there was a possibility of the two meeting and conceiving a son. Even if Gaemon was not necessarily that “boy [Aegon fathered] on a girl whose maidenhood [Aegon] won at auction on the Street of Silk”, according to Mushroom’s gossipy report, this alleged patronage in the sex workers of King’s Landing on Aegon’s part may provide an explanation as to how Aegon the Elder could have fathered Gaemon. Gaemon’s pale hair, of course, could easily be read as an inheritance from his father or other Targaryen antecedents: while we don’t have full details on Aegon’s appearance, GRRM’s report that Aegon bore “a strong resemblance to his father” (who himself had a “silver-gold mustache”) certainly suggests that Aegon also had the pale hair common to Valyrian descendants. Too, it may be notable that unlike the would-be king Trystane Trufyre or the Shepherd, Gaemon was pardoned and made a ward of the crown - a rare act of mercy in the twilight of Aegon II’s reign which perhaps indicates some personal investment on the part of the king in Gaemon’s well-being.

At the same time, I would not say Gaemon being Aegon II’s son is a foregone conclusion. While we should certainly consider the fact that the information came under torture, Essie’s admission that Gaemon’s biological father was a Lysene oarsman is at least a possible explanation for both Gaemon’s existence and his pale hair. Likewise, we have no indication that Aegon II thought particularly fondly of the boy; indeed, unlike with Trystane (where it was Aegon himself who knighted the would-be squire king before the latter was executed), Aegon doesn’t seem to have interacted with Gaemon at all, and the passive voice used by Gyldayn to describe Gaemon’s pardon makes it impossible to tell who directed that decision. (Too, Borros Baratheon’s rough treatment of Gaemon at the time of his capture - “carried back to the Red Keep slung over the back of a horse, chained and weeping” - hardly suggests that he knew, or had been instructed to know, that he was dealing with a king’s son.) There is in fact some real-world historical precedent from which GRRM may be drawing for showing mercy on such a figure: when young Lambert Simnel, probably about 10 years old, was proclaimed “King Edward VI” as the figurehead of a failed Yorkist rebellion against King Henry VII, the first Tudor king showed the boy mercy, not only not executing him but actually giving him a position at court (first in the royal kitchens, and eventually as a court falconer). Nor do I read Aegon III’s affection for Gaemon as indicating some secret knowledge of the latter’s supposed royal lineage: not only would Aegon III himself have had no reason to know who Gaemon’s biological father was, but Gyldayn makes it pretty explicit that Aegon’s care for Gaemon came as a direct result of the young king’s sorrow over the (supposed) loss of his own younger brother, Viserys (and to that point, Gyldayn notes that after “Prince Viserys … became King Aegon’s constant companion” following his return, “Gaemon Palehair was cast aside and forgotten”).

Ultimately, I would say the answer doesn’t really matter, both because we’ll probably never get the objective truth on the matter and because the narrative does not really dwell on the question. Gyldayn merely refers to Gaemon as “supposedly a bastard of the missing King Aegon II” and later as a “bastard born of a whore” (and specifically used the last designation to explain why Gaemon “counted for little in the court”); there is, so far as we know, no investigation into Gaemon’s paternal origins, no allusions to his paternity (as compared to, say, Alyn Velaryon, where Willis Fell openly identified him as having “a snake for a sire”), no hints by anyone save his mother as to who might have fathered him. As GRRM himself once noted, “[w]ithout blood tests or DNA, establishing paternity was a lot more hit and miss”, and I think that’s probably the case with Gaemon. Young Gaemon's potential blood connection to Aegon II matters only in the sense that his mother seized upon it (or the idea of it) to present him as a king; if he might have otherwise grown up in obscurity as one of the many lowborn children of King’s Landing, Gaemon was instead, thanks to that claim, subjected to a roller coaster of pseudo-royalty, violent upheaval, courtly semi-protection, and ultimately horrific murder.

[atopvisenyashill]

George Is A Coward For Never Doing Gay Incest

an incomplete list of gay incest he could have done, it was right fucking there come onnnn

Rhaenys/Visenya you are telling me lesbian icon Visenya who hates her husband and lives completely separately from him for decades but somehow managed to live with him while Rhaenys is alive wasn’t in love with Rhaenys? that the paternity of both aenys and maegor is questioned and we get nothing to delve into how that affected the relationship between the sisters? cowardly!

Viserys/Daemon, i’m gonna be honest EYE consider this canon and there’s nothing george can do about it, like daemon beats the messenger who told him viserys remarried bc he’s so mad and that’s NOT gay rage over how much he wants to be his brother’s wife so they can be aegon and visenya and conquer the world together, even while daemon flaunts his privileges as a man?? nah i see right through gyldayn’s heterosexuality.

Aegon II/Aemond, you're telling me Aemond calls himself protector of the realm while his brother is dying of his wounds but specifically doesn't call himself king, and Aegon throws Aemond a party after Aemond kinslays and helps kicks off the war and those two weren't fucking?? whack.

Baela/Rhaena, Baela has this amazing, bad ass, ultimately completely useless stand off that ends in the deaths of two dragons, eventually married to an uncle/cousin who cheats on her constantly, and is completely shut out of politics aka she gets Rhaenyra-ed, and meanwhile Rhaena gets two husbands that adore her, a dragon, and significant respect from the Lords, I am telling you there is some sort of psychosexual obsession here in how in order for Rhaena to rise (and HEAL), Baela must fall and suffer, and Baela "trying desperately to be Daemon's mini me" Targaryen wouldn't get obsessive over this.

Aegon III/Gaemon Palehair is possibly incest given we don’t know who Gaemon’s father is, also i know there’s an awkward age gap but see: my gay little hands and characters i like, also, there’s weird age gaps everywhere and aegon ii was old enough to have a bastard closer to aegon iii’s age if george had been less of a coward smh. so much here in the way gaemon’s crown is torn from his head along with his mothers and he’s forced to serve the monarchy, only to fall in love with the living embodiment of every painful memory gaemon has, of aegon resenting the crown on his own head bc if he’d been the fourth born son he could have never married and lived his life with gaemon, with his brothers, with his mother, but now they’re stuck in these roles that are going to devour them whole and he can see it coming but he can’t stop it!

Daena/Elaena, listen, two sisters with bastards who choose different sides of a war because daena has only ever found freedom with the traditional, racist fucks that want to crown her son so she throws her lot in with them because she will not be a prisoner ever again dammit and elaena was only ever freed when daeron allowed her an outlet for her immense intelligence and she’s in love with a dornish man who opens her eyes to the prejudices at court, and under all that are two girls who only ever found peace in the maidenvault through their small, stolen kisses and raising their bastards together, a little odd family forced together by the madness of their brother completely split apart by the madness of court LIKE??? HELLO?

Baelor Breakspear/Maekar, think of the POSSIBILITIES of how the monarchy is purposefully stepping away from incest only for two brothers so dissimilar to find an attraction between them they don’t understand, Maekar always jealous of all that Baelor is given while Baelor longs for Maekar’s relative freedom and they refuse to say what they really mean, how they really feel, and Baelor dies by Maekar’s hand IT IS GIVING ALRIGHT

Jon/Aegon VI, I will be pushing this literally until the day ados comes out and my whole “they gave show!dany aegon’s plot in the stormlands, the reach, and dorne which means jon/aegon is going to be full of homoeroticism and we will get a scene where Jon calls Aegon a child and Aegon throws a petulant fit in front of his unknown half baby brother” theory gets jossed. and if he doesn’t do it he’s a coward AND I STAND ON THAT.

[bbygirl-aemond]

Cursed Targaryen Names

Hello everyone! I think by this point we've all heard the theory that the name Visenya is cursed in ASoIaF, and I recently received this ask here that drew my attention to the fact that the name Aegon doesn't have the greatest track record, either. One realization later, and I arrived at my new theory: All three names from the Conquering trio have been cursed. Maybe by Visenya (I hope by Visenya). So let's go through what happens to all the poor kids that get saddled with these names, shall we?

Visenya

Visenya, who Rhaenyra wanted as a sister when Aemma was pregnant, but who was actually a boy named Baelon. Still, at one point Rhaenyra had declared the baby's name would be Visenya. As we all know, the baby died, and took its mother with it.

Visenya, the stillborn daughter of Rhaenyra. Born with birth defects, with scales on her skin, and with a tail.

Aegon

Aegon the Uncrowned, who was usurped by his uncle Maegor despite being the trueborn and eldest son of the late king, and who was later killed by Maegor at just seventeen.

Aegon, son of Jaehaerys and Alysanne, who died three days after he was born

Aegon, son of Baelon and Alyssa, whose birth killed his mother and who died days before his first birthday, also managing to ruin Viserys and Daemon's childhood

Aegon II, who watched all of his siblings and most of his children die before him in a war they were forced into, who spent his final years disfigured and in agony, and who died in his twenties

Aegon III, who traumatically lost his dragon and thought he'd abandoned his brother to die, whose older half-brothers all died, who watched his mother be eaten alive as a child, and who spent the rest of his life depressed as a result

Aegon IV, who was probably actually insane

Aegon V, who killed not only himself but also his own children and heir in his desperation to uncover the magic of the dragons in the Tragedy at Summerhall

And finally, poor baby Aegon, whose head was bashed in against a wall in front of his mother, Elia

Rhaenys

Rhaenys, daughter of Aemon and Jocelyn, who outlived her two beloved children and was burned alive after being sent on a suicide mission by the same woman she thought killed her son

Rhaenys, the three-year-old daughter of Elia and Rhaegar, who was ripped from beneath her bed and stabbed to death so viciously that Tywin Lannister had to cover her body with a cloak before presenting her to the King.

Also, as a note, there's one instance of one of these three names popping up pre-Conquest: Aegon Targaryen, son of Gaemon and Daenys, who happily married his sister, ruled Dragonstone, and passed it down to his son with no problems. Whose children all survived to adulthood, whose wife did not die in childbirth, and who is not noted to have a particularly gruesome death. This just adds to my theory that this name was not cursed pre-Conquest hehe.

[horizon-verizon]

Hello, since we were on the topic of Jaehaera, Aegon III and Gaemon. Why do you think Aegon III became best friends with Gaemon, but couldn't stand to be around Jaehaera? Even Essie ''confessed'' that Gaemon was not Aegon II's son, I doubt many people bought it.

Also, the greens scrambled and presented theories that Jaehaera was the mother of Aegon's children (originally) but why the fuck would Aegon III name his firstborn son after Daeron the war criminal? Daeron despite his courtesy and looks, he was just the lesser evil of Aemond. Or how could they explain Jaehaera's daughter naming her son Daemon - after the man who traumatized her mother so?

They cannot accept that the greens' lost. The green stans in general are so... intresting. They hate HotD, but almost everything they love of their faves is HotD only creation, (biggest example is them loving s1e6/7 Alicent even if bookAlicent did not act like that) I sometimes wish they just adapted it as it was, with Alicent ''beefing'' with Rhaenyra, with the greens ALWAYS being the instigators and how pathetic Aegon, Aemond are. They even complain about the dreamer arc which was meant to make Helaena more intresting (even if was badly done)

I answer why he wasn't close to Jaehaera HERE...though I think this should be obvious, no offense.

Why Gaemon? Because Gaemon's parents are not like Jaehaera for the reasons in the post I link above AND Gaemon was the most available. Aegon had no one else who he be able to be intimate with and had an idea of what he went through, as Gaemon's own mother had also been killed/executed by Jaehaera's father Aegon II. Of course, he was also one of the only children around in a regency full of adults who see him as both too much a child and also a "job"; while Gaemon could have perceived Aegon as a king, he was younger than Aegon and thus have less of a real understanding of "king". So Gaemon likely treated him like a companion.

Alicent of s1 episode 6 & 7 def was the closest depiction in all the HotD episodes thus far of how bk!Alicent would act in that she would be hostile towards Rhaenyra, use disguised-barbed words against the elder Rhaenyra before others, and use underhanded tactics at every opportunity.

In the book, she is the one who first calls for any sort of corporal punishment or harm, for Aemond's lost eye. So her raging (verbally) at Rhaenyra--even at Viserys and demanding justice--and losing some composure is fairly canon compliant; it's possible that the book or the observers mitigated what she actually did and whatnot. However, it doesn't seem likely that she would have attacked Lucerys or Rhaenyra directly and physically. Not at this point, or at least convey her rage about Rhaenyra's supposed spoiledness for anyone to hear her. IDK, it could work if there hadn't been that attempt to dole out physical punishment herself, even if one argued she later did with Jaehaera....that was after she lost ALL her kids.

As for episode 6, Alicent being in the council didn't make sense and was not canon compliant. It didn't make sense bc Queen Consorts are never in council unless they are Visenya, Rhaenys, and Alysanne. The first two conquered Westeros alongside Aegon and beyond him and made laws/policies/whole institutions independently of him. Alysanne was someone Jaehaerys always trusted, grew up with, and at least was as interested in the Targaryen dynasty's advancement for its own sake instead of another house' sake, respected for her intellect more than we can say the same between Viserys and Alicent. HotD failed/refused to give a proper explanation as to how/why Alicent, a Queen Consort, and not just Otto--the Hand--was put on the council...esp since Otto didn't have to elevate Alicent into anything at all or encourage her into obedience. He could just tell her what happened at the council after said meetings, as men usually did or are wont to do in such systems. He'd think he was enforcing boundaries of what women should be or not be doing or at least keep up that illusion by keeping Alicent out.

But say IF either GRRM did have bk!Alicent in the council or show!Alicent's journey to become part of or able to be a part of council meetings was shown and justified in HotD. Again, the behavior shown on screen in epi 6 was pretty "accurate" or at least very believable/plausible.

[corviids]

If Aenys presented as an Omega in gl, would him & Saera still be married to one another and be King & Queen, or would he be married of to like Viserys II or something and the throne would pass on to Saera or over to Gaemon? Or Aegon III? (and then eventually it would work it's way back to Aegon IV)

that’s a tricky question that i don’t think i have a good answer to! in an unused drabble, saera makes a comment/joke that luke would crown aenys no matter his secondary and not let anyone stand in his way. a part of me wants to say that lucemond would still push for their twins to inherit and keep aenys’ sex hush hush as much as they can. that would then branch out into more compliance dynamics since they’d still need heirs — enter viserys ii (literally). that’s the much risker option.

the other option would be passing it to their next son. questions like this are why aenys being an alpha was so detrimental. it raises a lot of what-ifs and also saera is dead set on being queen but also marrying aenys so it’s just a mess 😭 in lucemond family messy style, i see the first option being what stunt they pull

[lemonhemlock]

Grrm was pro black but anti rhaenyra considering how all of her children died with the exception of those fathered by Daemon.

Aegon's children all of them died including his bastard gaemon , and all of them died horrific deaths, he was crippled, burnt and died poisoned.

Rhaenyra's strong children died in meaningless and useless ways , even her dragon who was described as fat , spoiled and lazy and has the color of piss . died in the most pathetic way possible for a dragon.

and she herself died in the most pathetic and cruelest way possible while being remembered as Maegor with tits the equivalent of Hi*ler with tits , also her rule has made westros 1000x more misgonystic than before .

Daemon on the other hand got a heroic death , putting his sword through the eye of the anime villain named Aemond , saving the people of the riverlands from this genocidal maniac in the most badass way jumping off his dragon and sacrificing himself. All of his children from multiple women survived. Baela faced sunfyre yet she managed somehow to deal fatal injuries to him and was the cause of his death, strangely Neither sunfyre or aegon managed to kill her . Aegon shattered his legs and she just got few burns . Aegon iii somehow managed to survive although I can't really see why Aegon ii or any of the greens supporters were able or willing to kill him and finish the war . Viserys and rhaena survived and lived a long life. Daemon unlike rhaenyra was beloved by many

Daemon's dragon is one of coolest dragons called the bloody worm and one of the strongest and one of the fiercest dragons out there. This lizard somehow managed to kill the largest dragon of her time Vhaegar. Strangely Rhaenyra's bloodline didn't continue from her son jaecerys who is by all the accounts would make a good king. Her bloodline only continue through her children from Daemon . And now I'm sure 100% if Daemon managed somehow to impregnate Aegon , Aegon's child from daemon will 1000000% survive. The dance of dragons instead of being an epic and tragic tale about how the mythical dragons went to extinct . It's actually just a boring and cringe Daemon's fanfic.

Pretty much this - Rhaenyra is quite punished by the narrative for her sins, but Daemon gets off scot free, although he is way more despicable than she is. George lets two of her children live, but only because she shares them with Daemon. 🙄 Meanwhile they refuse to acknowledge their own mother as Queen - Aegon numbers himself as III, following II, therefore acknowledging our Aegon as a legitimate King. Whereas Rhaenyra is very much not considered a ruling monarch within Westerosi historiography, even though both Aegon III and Viserys II had the power to make that change at some point. Viserys II also had the audacity to pass over the claims of his three nieces by resorting to legal arguments that invalidated his mother's entire play for the throne. I wonder what Rhaenyra would have to say about all this.

This may prove an unpopular opinion, but it annoys me how all of Daemon's children get to live, whereas all the others meet gruesome ends. There's no reason for anyone other than Aegon III to live. (In fact, in the AGOT annexes, Viserys II was Aegon III's son, not brother, and no mention of Baela & Rhaena). Jaehaera lives for a little while, but even so, it's a 4-to-1 ratio that soon turns into 4-to-0. Rhaena even gets this hopeful narrative of hatching the last living dragon, but to what end? That dragon is going to live a very short life because it's never heard from again & George needs all the dragons to die, exclusively, so Morning either died during Rhaena's lifetime or shortly after her death? What's the point? She and her sister also get that distasteful Maiden's Day Cattle Show gotcha-moment with Daenaera. The Daemon favouritism is just beyond. I'm sorry, but it does feel like wish fulfilment fanfiction. I'm hard-pressed to find a Targaryen I like from this point on in the family tree.

And now I'm sure 100% if Daemon managed somehow to impregnate Aegon , Aegon's child from daemon will 1000000% survive.

This took me out. 😂 Damn, I want Egg to live so much I'd be tempted to accept this devil's covenant. Exorcist-style mpreg but the greens get to win at the end?

[sigilsongs-a]

𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐄𝐀𝐆𝐄 𝐎𝐅 𝐕𝐀𝐄𝐋𝐀𝐄𝐑𝐘𝐒 𝐓𝐀𝐑𝐆𝐀𝐑𝐘𝐄𝐍

Her great-grandparents were "The Old King"Jaehaerys I Targaryen and his wife Good Queen Alysanne Targaryen, Vaelaerys was born during the 42nd year of his fifty-five year reign, his first great-grandchild, and as such her name (Vaelaerys) is inspired by his (Jaehaerys). Her paternal grandmother was their eldest daughter and secondborn child, Princess Daenerys Targaryen, who married Lord Simon Dondarrion of Blackhaven who had crowned her the queen of love and beauty years prior and won her heart. — Queen Alyssane had argued for Daenerys to be named her fathers heir, whilst King Jaehaerys staunchly determined his heir to be the younger Aemon, whom he intended to marry Daenerys to.

Both her great-grandparents were dragon riders; Jaehaerys upon Vermithor and Alyssane upon Silverwing, the latter Vaelaerys would claim late in life.

Her father was Daenerys and Simon's only son, Laeron Targaryen. He was gifted his maternal surname and royal title by his reigning grandparents, and dubbed Prince Laeron of Houses Targaryen and Dondarrion, though he was far down the line of succession. Her mother (whom Vaelaerys all-but loathes), is Lady Athora Frey, and Vaelaerys is their only child together. Her mother remarried after Laeron's death, to her step-father Lord Jordwyn Mooton of Maidenpool; together they have her half-brother, fourteen years her junior and Maidenpool's heir by right of gender, in Lord Jael Mooton.

Great-Aunts & Uncles: Aegon †, Aemond, Baelon, Alyssa, Septa Maegelle, Archmaester Vaegon, Daella, Saera, Viserra †, Gaemon †, Valerion † and Gael Targaryen

First Cousins, Once Removed: Aemma Arryn, Viserys I Targaryen, Rhaenys Targaryen, and Daemon Targaryen.

Any children born biologically of her first cousins, once removed would be Vaelaerys' first cousin, twice removed: Rhaenyra Targaryen, Laena and Laenor Velaryon, Aegon II Targaryen, Aemond Targaryen, Helaena Targaryen, Daeron Targaryen. Any of those cousins' children are Vaelaerys thrice removed cousins, and so on.

In some cases there may be a generational overlap, such as with Aegon III Targaryen who is her first cousin, twice removed as the son of Daemon Targaryen. However, he is the son of Daemon and Rhaenyra Targaryen, who also Vaelaerys' first cousin twice removed, therefore making Aegon III Targaryen both a first cousin twice, and thrice, removed.

ORIGINAL CHARACTER, CANON INSPIRED:  Book Lore has been altered for this character as, canonly, Daenerys Targaryen (b. 53AC) was claimed by The Shivers in her youth.

[gromlyn]

EDIT: This is now out of date as I predicted it would be lol.// Alright, I’ve been messing with this for weeks but it’s finally at a somewhat finished state. Here’s my Targaryen family tree from my asoiaf au! I have more notes™️ below

Okay so

Maegor dies in exile during a conflict in the Free Cities, so when Aenys dies Aegon the Uncrowned actually gets crowned

Prince Viserys isn’t tortured to death and later becomes a member of the Kingsguard

Jaehaerys and Alysanna still marry but don’t have as many kids (rip gaemon, valerion, and gael). Their first son, Aegon, also survives because Alysanne isn’t attacked at Maidenpool

At first Aerea is named heir because Aegon II doesn’t yet have a son. However, after she successfully claims Balerion her status as heir becomes permanent when her younger brother Gaemon is stillborn

Jaehaerys isn’t exactly thrilled by this so he consistently angles to betroth Aerea to Aegon

As a teenager, Aerea travels across the Narrow Sea and spends several years exploring Essos with Balerion. When she returns, she brings representatives from other remnant Valyrian houses she found on her journeys

Once she becomes queen she establishes houses Ellarys, Ranaerion, and Norreos as the reigning houses of the New Valyrian colonies. She betroths several of Jaehaerys and Alysanne’s children to these houses, which satiates Jaehaerys to some extent

Aerea gets really into her Valyrian heritage- especially dragonkeeping. With the help of the Valyrian houses she met in her travels across Essos, she’s able to bring about a boon in the number of dragons hatched, which also leads to the highest number of dragonriders in a century

This also leads to the first non-Targaryen but still Valyrian dragonriders since the Doom

Saera still flees to Essos, but briefly returns to Westeros after Jaehaerys dies. During this visit, her children are given the opportunity to claim dragons for themselves and are successful. They’re all subsequently legitimized and help establish Westerosi control of the Stepstones, Lys, and Tyrosh

Aerea rules for like 60 years and it’s mostly a good time (for the Targaryens. Aerea maybe does some colonialism)

Her daughter, Jacaera (who served as her hand for 15 years prior) takes the throne after she passes

Jacaera rules for another 10 mostly unremarkable years and is succeeded by her eldest daughter Helaena, who’s generally beloved by the realm

Helaena dies mysteriously (aka is probably poisoned) and is succeeded by her sister Aerea II. Aerea II is somewhat maegor-coded and fucking sucks. She dies without an heir and is succeeded by her twin, Aegon

Aegon III does some reforms (namely getting rid of incest)

His oldest son Viserys I follows him with doing general reforms but is also toxically religious

Viserys I’s heir Viserys II is extreme in the opposite direction- he’s lovingly known as the whore king. He brings back the practice of incest so he can marry his sister and legitimizes all his bastards

The legitimization of all of Viserys II’s bastards leads to a new crop of half-Valyrian noble houses forming, mostly through Viserys’ bastards who managed to claim dragons of their own.

At this point, Valyrian descent isn’t incredibly uncommon in Westeros.

The crown first passes to Viserys II’s first son, Lucerys I- a frail, sickly man. He only rules for 3 years, and is succeeded by his hand and brother, Aegon IV

Aegon IV sucks and focuses mostly on expanding the dragonrider ranks. His reign is prosperous, but unstable

He’s succeeded by his eldest daughter Elia I who works to fix her father’s mistakes. She dies tragically during childbirth

The throne passes to her younger half-sister, Aerea III. Aerea III is her father but worse. Her reign ends in a rebellion and civil war between the Valyrian noble houses

Throughout Aerea III’s reign, Elia’s younger brother Lucerys sees what’s happening and makes a concentrated effort to prepare for whatever might happen. In general he also tries a lot more with his kids

During the civil war, Lucerys’ camp gains the most support, and he’s eventually able to oust Aerea III and her children. The civil war end with the deposition of Queen Aerea, destruction of House Starfyre, and deaths of a majority of the participating riders and dragons

Lucerys II takes the throne and rules for 6 years- all of which he spends tirelessly working to fix the realm. When he feels he’s done all he can, he abdicates the throne to his eldest son, Viserys III

Viserys III is the current day king. His heir is his eldest son, Baelon

At this point, the following Valyrian houses exist across Westeros + Essos: Targaryen, Velaryon, Celtigar, Ellarys, Ranaerion, Norreos, Quothyr, Matheos, Vyrimor, Sunfyre, Quicksilver, Starflowers, Stonesnake, Blackscale, Goldreyne, and Muddragon

yes this au exists mostly so I have an excuse to design Valyrians + their dragons

[navree]

What do you like about Aegon's ii character in the book? (I didn't read them btw)

Aegon in the book, like all the characters in the book, is a bit two dimensional (as explained very elaborately here and here, F&B is an in universe historical text compilation and as such doesn't have many character arcs or details on interior personalities), but the thing I enjoy most about him is that he's genuinely a very layered person.

He's a drunk and a wastrel, yes, and a bit of a slut, but there's more to him than that. For one, there's a softness to him, in his affection for his family, in having a relatively healthy relationship with his sister-wife (they, a rarity for royal couples, share a bedroom, given that it's specifically mentioned that this stops when Blood and Cheese tears them apart), a clear affection for his children, and even children in general given his decision to spare Aegon III and Gaemon Palehair (a young boy whose mom claimed he was Aegon II's bastard and thus was ruling in his name until Aegon came back) give their youth, and a love for family that he takes seriously as his eldest. While not "confirmed" the only explanation anyone offers for Aegon agreeing to take the crown when he didn't originally want to (he specifically calls it Rhaenyra's birthright and said he would be a bad brother to her if he took it even tho she was a shit sister to him) is that Criston bluntly tells him that Rhaenyra will kill not just him but his brothers and his sons in order to secure the claims of the Strongs, and that's what tips him over the edge. He makes sure only Helaena is ever recorded as a queen, to honor her, after Rhaenyra dies, and he commissioned huge fucking statues to be built of Aemond and Daeron once he was back in King's Landing after they did. It adds a complexity to him that didn't necessarily need to be there, from a narrative perspective, but was integral to who he is.

Aegon is also an incredibly determined person. He's the one who pushed to be publicly crowned once he accepted the throne, and unlike certain others (Rhaenyra) he was no slouch in fighting for what he saw as his rights. He participated actively in the war, he defended his claim with his own body by participating in the battle of Rook's Rest, and he fought hard for that win. He's incredibly injured afterwards, enough to essentially give Aemond the Westerosi equivalent of both 25th Amendment privileges and the power of attorney, but he still managed to win, and he managed to recover, importantly so without help, as his brothers and advisors were busy with the war, Helaena was just completely incapacitated, and between taking care of her and taking care of Maelor and Jaehaera, Alicent wasn't able to help him. He's able to stay alive after Rhaenyra takes King's Landing and he has to flee, he's able to stay alive on Dragonstone and even get himself to Sunfyre (we'll talk about Sunfyre) in order to gain enough health to actually take back the castle and lay enough of a trap that he's able to get rid of Rhaenyra. He's still able to fight against Baela and Moondancer, and despite being grievously injured again (this time he full on shatters his legs and is never able to walk again) he still survives and still manages to keep himself in check without even taking any pain medication (it's pointed out specifically that he refuses milk of the poppy despite the extent of the damage he's suffered). Aegon is someone who fights and claws for every victory he has, who keeps on going despite how broken and bruised and bleeding he is, who will not stop until he has absolutely nothing left to fight for, or even to live for, it's why I subscribe to the theory that he killed himself, even then Aegon's going out on his own terms after he did all that he could. I think that's incredibly powerful in a character, that he is Thee Determinator and he's going to keep getting back up no matter how many times he's knocked down.

And I love his relationship with Sunfyre. I adore his relationship with Sunfyre. Sunfyre is the "character" who brings out the most loving side we ever see with Aegon, the most openly affectionate. Aegon might love his family but he appears to keep his feelings pretty close to the best unless absolute calamity hits, but he openly just loves Sunfyre so fucking much, and it's entirely reciprocal. He makes Sunfyre his standard, the thing that his side swears loyalty to, as intrinsic as himself, and Sunfyre is willing to do anything for him at great personal risk (since we know that dragons can, theoretically, disobey commands if self preservation takes over), given that he does fight for Aegon in every battle he's flown to in spite of the fact that he himself is also incredibly wounded. And when Aegon's missing and Sunfyre is still almost completely handicapped by his injuries, they find each other. Sunfyre manages to drag himself to Dragonstone, despite no one knowing where Aegon was, and why? In the book, it's literally theorized that Sunfyre, in spite of how brutalized he was, could somehow sense that Aegon's desperation, that Aegon needed him, and that was enough for him to figure out where he was and get himself to Aegon's side. And Aegon, the second he hears that there's a golden dragon roaming around on Dragonstone, ignores his advisors and gets himself to Sunfyre because, well, it's Sunfyre. And it's explicitly stated that they only both start actually recovering in tangible ways once they're together, that they weren't whole without each other and literally needed each other in order to get healthy again. And then Sunfyre fights for him again, and is mortally wounded, and it's the most heartbroken we ever see Aegon, at least in the records. We know that he was full of rage when his son was murdered, yeah, but here he's openly weeping and completely devastated, and grief stricken enough that he orders that Baela be executed, despite the fact that she's his full blooded cousin and that would absolutely violate the kinslaying taboo, to the point where he had to be very firmly talked out of it, that's how completely crazed he is by Sunfyre's death. It speaks to the depth of feeling Aegon has within him, his capacity for love, and more than anything that even at his lowest (Sunfyre's death comes on the heels of Aegon executing Rhaenyra by feeding her to Sunfyre, in front of her son, and it's one of the cruelest moments in the entire Dance) he still has these layers within him that allow him to be so much more than one note.

The fact that Aegon is such a fully fledged character, that he has all these sides within him that aren't even at war, that are entirely complimentary (a fierce determinator with a strong sense of family and a deep well of love within him whose chaotic nature can make that incredibly dangerous as well as completely mission oriented makes so much sense), is what makes him incredibly compelling. And if they combine even just those basic moments with the added depth they've given to Aegon's inner struggles and especially his interpersonal relationships, alongside TGC's talent as an actor, we're gonna have a character for the ages, I know that in my bones.

[hamliet]

Why were the children that Rhaenyra had with Harwin the only ones who died and not Daemon's children(the twins, aegon3, viserys2) ?

(continuation)

Is it because Rhaenyra's children are bastards(Jacaerys Lucerys,Joffrey) and that is her punishment for having had them?

No. I think this line of thought is very effed up, and honestly neglects quite a bit of evidence that proves this wrong. Firstly, Alicent's full line seems to have died out, so like... clearly, the point is that bastard status doesn't actually matter. War comes for the kids anyways.

Secondly, Visenya does die. I mean, Rhaenyra literally starts the war by saying "they have murdered my daughter and stolen my crown, and they shall answer for it." So... one of her legitimate kids does die.

Thirdly, Aemond's bastard and Gaemon Palehair (almost certainly Aegon's child) survive the war, even if Gaemon dies soon after. So does Alyn, Corlys's bastard who is passed off as Laenor's.

Fifthly, you only need to look at Jon Snow to know what Martin thinks about the stigmatic treatment of bastard children in Westeros.

The reasons the other kids survived are different for each. I'll go over practical and thematic reasons for each.

Rhaena: She was literally kept out of the violence because she didn't have a dragon to fight with. Plus, she was a woman, and a girly girl at that. She's clearly a foil to Sansa. Like Saansa, she is in the Vale and learns to politic well.

Baela: clearly a foil to Arya. She does fight, and she does actually almost die. She's not as direct a threat to Aegon II's rule. Like, Aegon wanted to kill her and would have if his advisors hadn't been like, hang on a sec dude.

Viserys: literally Rhaenyra thought he had died. She died thinking he was dead. He 's totally not a Rickon foil that was sent to Lys in hopes that he might be:

Aegon III barely survived as well, and was so traumatized he rarely smiled and had few joys in life. He was called a shell of a person numerous times. The question of what exactly survival means when a husk is all that's left is literally the question Mirri Maz Duur asks Dany in A Game of Thrones:

“Tell me again what you saved.'' ''Your life'' Daenerys said. Mirri Maz Duur laughed cruelly. ''Look to your khal and see what life is worth when all the rest is gone.”

I honestly think it's as simple as Rhaenyra's sons being targets because they were more adult and able to make their own choices. The children pay the price, but some children survive. The cost of surviving, though--it's not to be overlooked. Reducing it to a simple moral punishment idea is antithetical to Martin's writings.

(Also to be clear I know you aren't necessarily saying you believe this! I just hate this idea lol, and obviously, I think it's misreading.)

[almostbeabeauty]

this newfound love for Helaeg0n among green fans is very startling. Ship what you want, of course, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of them are giant hypocrites and were going after Helaemonds for shipping incest just months ago and acting like that ship would be the worst thing ever that could happen to the greens. Besides, it's very annoying how there some out there saying "Helaeg0n was romantic in the book", "the ship had romantic undertones" and the show ruined it by claiming the writers didn't and don't understand the ship and when you go and read their arguments well all you can find is "he listened to her opinions" once or twice, didn't ignore her or call her stupid, didn't force himself on her after B&C to get a new heir in case something also happened to Maelor, he didn't flaunt his mistresses and bastards in front of his wife like Aegon IV did with Naerys (and who made her life a living hell basically) nor did he legitimize them and other stuff that is basically human decency a husband can have for the wife he never agreed to marry in the first place, you know? Sure, the show making Helaena autistic coded and giving Aegon every single negative trait (including him being a rapist) and going out of their way to highlight how weird he finds her, the marital rape hints (who wants their husband's attention when drunk? no one) doesn't help either and I get why shippers are mad at this (I would be too!) and neither does all the Helaemond stuff if it's real but then Aegon was still a serial cheater in the book, he fathered bastards (I know some are even disputing this but really? Gaemon was most likely his son and considering how much he was sleeping around there were others we didn't know about for sure) and yes he was also sexually harassing and fondling the castle's female servants? Does this sound like a man who actually loves his wife? And before someone says "it was normal for men to cheat on their wives in this universe, him cheating doesn't mean he didn't love his wife romantically" (yes this is an argument a shipper made in favor of their ship) please no, there are men even in Westeros who weren't doing this. Maybe they would've found love together eventually, who knows, but the little we have so far in the book doesn't indicate this ship was one of those marriages between Targaryen siblings that were romantic in nature like Jaehaerys/Alysanne or Baleon/Alyssa. It wasn't anything atrocious like Aegon IV/Naerys or Aerys II/Rhaella, it was just another arranged marriage like most Westerosi marriages were. For green fans to gush over this ship however as if this is THE good incest ship and we should all like and defend, well, it's certainly a choice.

Hey! I'm sorry to answer this so late. Took a much needed break from the fandom for a bit.

There's not much for me to say except for that I agree with almost everything you said. I just go back and forth on whether I think Gaemon is Aegon's bastard or not.

[forwithinthishollowcrown]

ACOB:

Of the couples (from the younger generation) that you listed that get married and have children together, which of them are just together for politics sake and which are genuinely in love with each other?

The Blues

Aegon II-Cerelle; They get married primarily to secure House Lannister's allegiance to Aegon II's claim. They are pretty good friends and get along quite well.

Rhaena-Aenar; Love surprisingly. Of course this was also to help expand House Velaryon's interests as well. Originally she was meant to marry a son of a different Bravosi Sea Lord with Aenar challenging him to a duel which he won by slaying him, he also ended up seizing his lands when they got back to Braavos.

Saera-Lucerys; Stating this right off the back neither expected to be married off to each other. It was just mindless flirting for them. But it's both a mix of politics and love.

Joffrey-Cassandra; They fell in love during a tourney after he asked for her favor. Their courting actually becomes like one you'd see in a song? Like they are my personal OTP here because of how devoted they are to one another.

Gaemon-Daenaera; Love match with a bit of rebellion from Daenaera's side. Think canon!Daemyra's love but without the toxic elements and WAY more secrecy for these two.

Daeron-Helaena; 100% a love match. They are essentially the precious babies of their family, with practically everyone supporting their marriage. Honestly they can do no wrong in their families eyes.

The Blacks

Jace-Baela; Purely political arrangement. Love came a lot later to these two probally after the birth of Viserra? They are often seen racing their dragons or bonding with their children.

Aliandra-Arthur; Political for them. Aliandra marries him to secure her future rulership over Dorne and Arthur marries her for political ambitions.

Visenya-Cregan; Purely political for them both. Cregan sees the advantage of marrying of marrying a princess whereas Visenya marries Cregan to help secure alliances for her mother.

Coryanne-Edric; The circumstances of their marriage is super interesting to me as Adric challenged Coryanne to a duel for her OWN hand and it was agreed if he won she'd marry him.

The Reds

Maegor-Ceryse; I think I've already explain their reasoning? If not then it's mainly due to political reasons as well as to unite both bloodlines of Daemon's two wives.

Viserys-Elaena; They are together solely for political reasons as Daemon was the one who pushed for the match between them. It only helps that this also keeps Elaena from getting too involved with the discourse between Laena and Rhaenyra's kids.

Celia-Rhaenar; Purely a love match. It helps that Rhaenar is also of Valyrian blood for Daemon - personally I see them as Elizabeth of York and Henry VII levels of devotion for them (Rhaenar doesn't cheat on her).

Aemma-Aemond: Pretty sure I already explained this. But it's a mix of both.

[sweetestpopcorn]

You know, I don't believe that Tristan Truefyre was Viserys i's bastard but I think there's a possibility that Gaemon Palehair was in fact Aegon ii's bastard????? Given Aegon’s promiscuous nature it would not surprise me. There's also the thing about Gaemon's name. It is a targaryen name (compare that to Tristan, a common name), which makes me think he was deliberately given this name of all names. One can say that since his mother was a prostitute, she might not know it's a targaryen name and maybe randomly named him but I seriously don't think it's a coincidence. People don't just randomly give targaryen names to their children and the fact that she named her son Gaemon proves she did know some targaryen names maybe and also if the boy was really the son of some random lysene dude, I don't think even the lysene would use such names. She can still give her son a targaryen name despite her son not being half-targaryen but I just don't think so?? It might not be a coincidence that a silver haired boy with a targaryen name just claimed to be Aegon’s son during the dance. So what do think about it? I really like your answers, so I just wanted to know your opinion on it.

Hi there Anon 🤗

You know who this is a job for?

Kidding. Or am I? 😏

Two things, one, as I said some time ago and I will admit this is an Aquiles's heel of mine when reading a series like ASOIAF. I am not a fan of conspiracy theories nor do I like to lose a lot of time making theories about things. I am very much a person who likes their facts, which honestly makes me very good at my every day job, not the best at providing people with theories of what I think happened if I don’t have a lot of facts to base the theory on. I was taught not to speculate unless I have things to back it up on. Again something which is a golden rule in my job.

So, do I think it’s possible that Gaemon could have been Aegon II’s father? Given Aegon II’s track record it would be yes, as he is shown to be quite promiscuous and I am not even sure he knew all the places he had “been in”. We also know he fathered a boy on a young prostitute and a girl on one of his mother’s maids (#class) on his first year of marriage to his sister. However, do I think he was Gaemon’s father? Absolutely not.

I feel that if he was a lot more evidence would have been given to us readers. Comparing Gaemon to the "Velaryon" princes for instance, the latter are clearly shown to be the children of Harwin Strong. 

Not only is this hinted on multiple times and by multiple different sources (sorry y’all but the books is not “rumours” and it’s very clear what’s a rumour and what’s a fact), but we are also shown how close Rhaenyra and Harwin were with each other even before she married Laenor -> Harwin had been courting her. Furthermore we have this gem right here when Joffrey dies and I quote:

“Thus perished Joffrey Velaryon, Prince of Dragonstone and heir to the Iron Throne, the last of Queen Rhaenyra’s sons by Laenor Velaryon… or the last of her bastards by Harwin Strong, depending on which truth one chooses to believe.” (Fire and Blood, pg. 518).

Comparing it now to what we are told at the moment of Gaemon’s death:

“Born a bastard in a brothel, “King Cunny” had reigned briefly over his kingdom on a hill during the Moon of Madness, seen his mother put to death, and served Aegon III as a cupbearer, whipping boy, and friend. He was thought to be but nine years old upon his death.” (Fire and Blood, pg 679). 

We have a mention of all the things Gaemon was, and there’s a long list, but being a “rumoured” bastard son of Aegon II was not even amongst them. He is only mentioned in relation to Aegon III. If the evidence that he was Aegon II’s son was significant I would argue that a mention would be made here. Maybe even as a reflection over the fact that the son of the woman Aegon II put to death in such a despicable and cruel way found a friend in his bastard and forgotten son that he never cared about. Perhaps also some mention that the son he denied and ignored outlived all of the others or something, and that Alicent did not even recognised or cared about the only grandson she had left. 

The writers of Fire and Blood loved these kind of ironies. They make a reflection over the fact that Daenaera was granddaughter to Vaemond, so they would likely make one similar for Gaemon. They also don’t shy away in the slightest from speaking about the bad either about the Blacks or about the Greens. They make no mention though, which only adds to my belief that Gaemon was indeed not Aegon II’s son. 

Of course one could argue that the fact that Gaemon’s mom denied he was Aegon II’s son under torture could say something. But again her and Sylvenna do struck me as shrewd women who knew what they were doing and just took advantage of the chaos. 

In all honestly I just don’t see it personally. 

By the way a HUGE HUGE apology for how long it took me to answer you Anon!!!!! I believe you sent this a year ago 😭 SORRY! I SUCK! But I eventually answered :D I will show myself out.

All the love to you and sorry again!