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short little comic I drew in lectures
given Alexander's tendency to work a lot and sleep very little, especially earlier in his life, he likely had a tendency to doze every free moment he got (based off my own habit of falling asleep at my work table all the time) - and I wanted to draw something with it
#ert#comic#atg#alexander the great#alexander of macedon#hephaestion#hephaistion#alexander x hephaestion#alexander/hephaistion#I will draw them until we all agree on a shipname or I will die trying#ancient greece#ancient macedon#for anyone interested: I imagine this taking place sometime after Tyre. before the conquest of Egypt#this is very soft very shoujo manga-esque and that was Intentional#I also kinda went into it no thoughts head empty#so there was no thumbnailing or figuring out the layout or anything just rawdogging this whole damn thing#i intended to just scan it and drop it unceremonously#anyways I spent like 40 minutes trying to at least Slightly edit it#its been so long since i posted a comic (even longer since I posted an unedited comic)#so. yknow. enjoy#and talk to me about these two?? I guess???#dedicated to all 2 people who follow me because I post about them and the 3 people who now always think of me when they hear his name#youre welcome for that btw
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Alexander and Hephaestion bathe their horses (2024)
#alexanderthegreat#hephaestion#hephaistion#bucephalus#horse#rider#ancientgreece#marysmirages#painting#alexander of macedon#pond#horse bathing
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Alexander and his generals!
(at least the ones I actually remember by their name, sorry Cleitus💀)
Edit: Huge thanks to everyone who respectfully explained the topic of skintones in Ancient Macedonia to me, I truly appreciate it 🙏
#ancient greece#greek mythology#tagamemnon#ancient macedonia#alexander the great#hephaestion#hephaistion#alexander x hephaestion#ptolemy i soter#cassander#fanart#my art#artist on tumblr#i yassified them i know#dont care tho
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Hey bro what if we married two sisters but like as a political move, like I marry the oldest princess and you marry her younger sister so we can be officially a family, but I mean we should marry the same day with a lot of other couples but you're my right hand and I'm the king so you and I will stand next to each other and be the most important men there and get married together and have a family together because you know our children will be cousins and I want your babies to be related to me and my babies to be related to you bro, isn't it great that we can have babies together, it's just everything true bros would want, I can't wait for our wedding day, love you bro <3
#susa weddings#sorry this will always be funny#alexander x hephaestion#alexander x hephaistion#alexander the great#hephaestion#hephaistion#ancient history
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ALEXANDER (2004) | dir. Oliver Stone
#Alexander 2004#alexander#hephaistion#colin farrell#jared leto#filmedit#moviegifs#filmgifs#movieedit
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Interviewer: Are you very fond of Alexander? Gene Roddenberry: As a matter of fact, I am. I have Mary Renault's new Oxford book―in fact, I'd have everything in the bookstores a few years ago. Passionate admirer of Alexander. Passionate man. [...] Interviewer: There's a great deal of writing in the STAR TREK movement now which compares the relationship between Alexander and Hephaistion to the relationship between Kirk and Spock―focusing on the closeness of the friendship, the feeling that they would die for one another― Gene Roddenberry: Yes. There's certainly some of that with―certainly with love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal―we never suggested in the series―physical love between the two. But it's the―we certainly had the feeling the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style in the 23rd Century. [He looks thoughtful] That's very interesting. I never thought of that before. [From Shatner: Where No Man (1979)]
Sooo I watched the new docuseries Alexander: The Making of a God and I was hit by indirect Kirk/Spock feelings because I remembered this interview. And of course I had to make a gifset about it. :)
#spirk#alexander x hephaestion#star trek tos#alexander: the making of a god#star trek the original series#james t. kirk#spock#k/s#kirk x spock#space husbands#alexander the making of a god#alexander the great#hephaestion#my gifs#hephaistion#alexander x hephaistion#gene roddenberry
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Well, that got through at least. :-)
And they took my advice to cast a dark-haired, Mediterranean-looking Hephaistion too.
(Edit to add, because I’ve been asked: I was the historical advisor to the series. No, they didn’t listen to everything I suggested, and I never saw costumes/sets, but they did take my advice on a few things, including the casting look for Hephaistion. And they kept the kiss.)
For more, read Dancing with the Lion. I pulled no punches there about their relationship. And he has a properly Greek nickname (as does Alexander).

#alexander the great#alexander x hephaestion#alexander x hephaistion#hephaistion#hephaestion#dancing with the lion#dwtl#alexander: the making of a god
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Hephaistion: I am the most moderate, most peaceful man in this army.
Alexander: Just yesterday you threw a chair at Krateros.
Hephaistion: Which was a moderate, peaceful compromise for the table I was initially planning to throw at him.
Bagoas *holding ice to his face*: I just wish you would have hit him.
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missed using my colour pencils
#sketchbook#alexander the great#hephaestion#atg#alexander/hephaistion#alexander x hephaistion#im not finishing this cause I kinda hate the anatomy in it but I like this part. so#theres a new genre of art in my sketchbook that I call 'hephaistion annoys alexander while alexander works at his desk'#ert
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Alex and his marshals
#ancient history#ancient greece#ancient macedonia#hephaestion#hephaistion#alexander the great#alexander/hephaestion#digital art#history#historical art#doodle
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Spirits of ancient battles. Memories of Alexander the Great (2023/2024)
Gouache version of the work from 2017: https://www.tumblr.com/marysmirages/686070565494259712/spirits-of-ancient-battles-memories-of-alexander?source=share
#alexanderthegreat#hephaestion#hephaistion#alexander of macedon#marysmirages#asia#ancient greek mythology#painting#art#horse#rider#mirage#oasis#persia
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as insane of a quote as this is- does anyone know where it's from?
#alexander the great#hephaestion#hephaistion#alexander x hephaestion#he was framed EVERYWHERE as alexander's queen/co-ruler the fics are practically writing themselves
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doodling al'skander when i should be sleeping because i have not recovered from the effects of the persian boy
#completely obsessed with the whole lover (hephaistion/macedon) vs beloved (bagoas/persia) dichotomy#and all the implications of that#alexander as courtesan to the macedonian army!!#anyway. started reading funeral games today so just having lots of thoughts at the moment#the persian boy#mary renault#my art#alexander the great
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Found this in an old thread about Alexander and Hephaestion, and I died LOL
#alexander x hephaestion#alexander x hephaistion#alexander the great#hephaistion#hephaestion#achilles x patroclus#patrochilles#patroclus#achilles
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Approximately 90% of the Ancient Greece 'fandom' into yaoi, while the rest 10% is into Yuri because of Sappho. Of that 90%, 80% is into it because of Alexander/Hephaistion, 7,5% because of Alcibiades/Socrates, 7,5% because of Kritias/Theramemes and the remaining 5% is just yelling in the void and is fighting a tooth and a nail for their rarepairs.
#greece#ancient greece#alexander the great#alexander x hephaistion#helpaistion#sappho#tagamemnon#alcibiades#socrates#alcibiades x socrates#kritias#theramenes#kritias x theramenes#i feel like i got the statistics correct
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Good day, Dr. Reames! I'd like to ask you if you think the relationship between Alexander and Hephaestion (as well as that between Achilles and Patroclus) generates so much debate and is less accepted because both participants were of a similar age, rather than older men with younger men? I hope you can answer me. Thank you very much for your attention and constant work!
Modern Debate and Ancient Attitudes Regarding Alexander and Hephaistion
So, by debate, I’m not entirely clear in what arena the asker meant, academic or popular (or both), and the acceptance of these would also differ between then and now. So, I’ll try to hit several points below, to cover all the bases.
In antiquity, yes, same-age-cohort romantic relationships were less accepted, but we do see visual evidence for them. In contrast, moderns tend to be squicked by too much of an age gap, while some pictures of older men with youths would suggest as much as 10 (or more!) years. Of course, ancient marriage also included quite substantial age differences, so they’d be puzzled by our abhorrence. The fact Alexander and Hephaistion were around the same age makes their pairing more acceptable to the modern mind, rather than less.
Also, Achilles and Patroklos weren’t the same age. Patroklos was older. (The perception that they were the same age might owe to The Song of Achilles.) To the ancients, the problem in their case was the younger partner having the superior social status. Both were princes, but Achilles was the celebrated warrior and son of a goddess, which problematized it. (I made use of this at the end of Becoming, in Dancing with the Lion.)
So, we must separate ancient reactions from modern ones. What bothered them is rather different from what bothers us.
As for debate about the relationships themselves, by the 4th century, the average Greek did assume Achilles and Patroklos had been lovers, although there was some pushback among the mythographers apparently, whose point (not unlike moderns’) was that Homer never called them that. Yet Homer “coded” Patroklos’s behavior as closer to female, paralleling him with some of the women such as Andromache; this is likely why, when Aeschylus did portray them as lovers in the Myrmiddons, he made Patroklos younger, despite it contradicting Homer (and tradition). Yet a lot of post-Homer literature changed or contradicted Homer, so that wasn’t unusual. I’ve often said that we can regard both lyric poetry and tragic plays as “fanfic” on Homer and the other epic poets. 😊 They played fast and loose with the details of Homeric canon.
Similarly, by the late Hellenistic and Roman imperial eras, Hephaistion as Alexander’s lover was also assumed. How widely is less clear, but wide enough for an aphorism to emerge that Alexander had been conquered only by Hephaistion’s thighs. The Latin authors Justin and even Curtius use language for Hephaistion that’s suggestive of a sexual favorite, without coming out and saying so. Note, however, neither of them meant that in a good way. It would have been an insult for an adult male and military general to be Alexander’s boy-toy.
Now, as for modern resistance to the idea, these fall into two basic categories: 1) homophobic, and 2) critical attention to the source problem. These are obviously not the same. Homophobic speaks for itself and was the driving force up until the 1960s/70s, as I’ve explained elsewhere. After that, most specialists on Alexander swung to general assumption/acceptance of Alexander and Hephaistion as lovers. “Of course,” with a shoulder shrug.
Achilles and Patroklos are harder because they’re fictional, not real people. They did exist prior to Homer, but we’re still dealing with a piece of literature, not trying to see behind the curtain of historical accounts to what real people did (or didn’t do). That means the question is what Homer meant, which becomes literary interpretation. We might even ask if what Homer meant is all that important, versus how Homer was understood by subsequent generations. These are not real people. But Alexander and Hephaistion were, so that’s a horse of a different color.
Current academic questioning of Hephaistion and Alexander as lovers arises from a SOURCE issue. E.g., when the sources were written and what they imply. We don’t have anything until 300 years after Alexander’s reign, and that earliest source (Diodoros) doesn’t imply anything. Does that owe to Diodoros’s general abbreviated nature? Or did he imply nothing because there was nothing?
It’s not till we hit Curtius and Second Sophistic authors—or those even later such as Athenaeus (end of the second century CE)—that we find “hints and allegations,” or even blunt claims. So what’s that about? Were they using implication as a form of character assassination for Hephaistion, and Alexander too? Were they simply repeating “common knowledge” that arose more from gossip than reality? Athenaeus (603a/13.80) is quite blunt in stating Alexander liked “boys” (meaning youths), but he’s also 600+ years from Alexander. And he never links Alexander to Hephaistion; Hephaistion wasn’t, after all, a “boy.”
In short, we must look at how THEY meant it and detach that from how WE might understand it … or what we might like it to mean. This will (inevitably) annoy both sides of the socio-political fence: those who hate the idea that Alexander might have had male lovers AND those who really, really, really want him to have been gay.
It’s also why historians make enemies among the extreme Right and the extreme Left. We want history to be history, not political sloganeering.
In the ancient—especially Roman—world, two adult men carrying on a sexual affair past their very early 20s (at the latest) was BAD. So, those authors who are engaged in a program of portraying Alexander as sinking into Oriental Debauchery found it useful to imply that Alexander 1) kept a bunch of concubines, 2) had sex with a Persian eunuch (who he let influence official policy), and 3) even retained his very own general as his lover. That’s Curtius—bluntly for the first two, and with a with a wink-wink, nudge-nudge for the third. (As does Justin, albeit in abbreviated form.)
Arrian, who had a different—less negative—goal, is more restrained, ignoring claims of concubines and a eunuch. In his history, he never bluntly calls Hephaistion Alexander’s lover, but in his writings on Epiktatos, he does. Or rather, he has Epiktatos say so. In the history, Arrian uses comparatives with Achilles and Patroklos to imply what he wants to imply. The reader is meant to make the connection. This probably owes to Arrian’s flattery of his friend the Emperor Hadrian, who had Antinoös.
Plutarch is different yet again. Early in his biography, he portrays Alexander as a champion of sophrosune, so he didn’t carry on with anybody except his wives, and then only for love. (For reasons that are not Christian, which my friend and colleague Borja Antela-Benardez will address in a forthcoming book.) Yet too often, readers take his early claims as true in an absolute way and miss how Plutarch portrays Alexander changing (for the worse) in his later years. That owes to a tendency for readers to approach Plutarch piecemeal because of the anecdotal nature of the work. Don’t do that. How is Plutarch using that anecdote…and where is it in the larger work? Those questions matter. A lot. It also owes to people taking material from his rhetorical essays, “On the Fortune or Virtue of Alexander,” and mixing them up with his Life.
ANYway…. looking at all that, one can understand why trying to figure out what was really going on between Alexander and Hephaistion is…rough, to say the least.
What is calumnia (invented accusation to cause harm to someone’s reputation), versus simple gossip, versus Roman and earlier southern Greek/Athenian pearl-clutching over differing Macedonian sexual practices?
It’s genuinely hard to know.
If they were lovers as youths, then “grew out of” the physical but maintained the emotional attachment, that would explain such things as Alexander’s extreme reaction to Hephaistion’s death. And also, why later historians (dealing with events in their adulthood) didn’t mention it.
YET that assumes they were childhood friends. It’s probably one of the biggest difference between my evaluation of Hephaistion and Sabine’s—when did Hephaistion join the army and meet Alexander? I don’t plan to go into that here; I’ll save it for the book.
Another possibility, which rests on Theopompos’s criticisms of Philip’s court, is that Macedonians ended same-sex affairs later than southern Greek city-states, or at least later than Athens. That takes us back to the calumnia-or-pearl-clutching question. If such affairs did continue later in Macedonia, then Alexander and Hephaistion may not have been especially unusual, although they would have been expected to end things once they reached marriageable age.
And last, of course, is the very real possibility that they never were lovers, simply as close as brothers.
The difficulty there is a sort of reverse-homophobia, that anyone who claims such a thing must BE homophobic and deliberately trying to repress the Truth <tm>. This gets a bit exhausting to discuss with the average person who may not care about the ins-and-outs of source problems. It also, unfortunately, then feeds complaints by the alt-right about “political correctness” taking over history. That is JUST as frustrating for people trying to make a cogent historical argument. For some, if the explanation is longer than 3 sentences, it’s TL;DR. They prefer the short (and usually wrong) answer. Don’t bother me with the details. Oh, and shut up about the details, you’re just harshing my historical squee.
Yeah, I might get a bit frustrated with this.
I say that as someone who does think Alexander and Hephaistion were lovers, at least when younger. But I have sympathy for my colleagues who, for perfectly valid historiographic reasons, do not. So here I am, waving my arms around and saying, “Stop picking on them!” Even while I plan to make my own arguments against their position in the book. I have historiographic reasons of my own for believing I’m right—but accusations of homophobia are not among them.
For other posts I’ve done on various angles:
#asks#Alexander the Great#Hephaistion#Hephaestion#alexander x hephaestion#classics#ancient history#ancient attitudes about sexuality#Alexander the Great as gay#Achilles and Patroklos#Patrochilles#homophobia towards Alexander the Great#homophobia towards Achilles
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