#akgaes are still akgaes (no hope for them)

[linolinoing]

okay, I gave in and checked twitter. do I regret it? yes. but would I do it again? also yes.

[beautifulpersonpeach]

hi Bp,

I want to know why the encore situation with jimin was made a big deal ?

Because i know jimin is a good singer..maybe due to his in ear problem he might not be able to sing well..but all his live performances of face were so good ...but people totally ignored it and just attack him for encore singing and made a big deal of it

Do u think it might have affected jimin ?

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Hi @minimun,

This is what I wrote in response to the hate Jimin was getting after SMF Pt 2 was released. Please read it.

The reaction k-pop stans had to Jimin's encore stage can be explained by the reasons I gave in that post.

To quote a relevant section:

"...so long as a project comes from a BTS member, the default inclination of most k-pop stans is to hate it. Nearly all the hate you’re seeing for Jimin’s Set Me Free Pt 2 was nearly guaranteed to begin with, the autotune just made it easy as the excuse. I mean, there’s a whole subset of k-pop fandoms who believe he can’t sing despite years of proof to the contrary. Since 2018 (precisely after BTS was awarded the Cultural Order of Merit award), the best case scenario from k-pop stans towards music released by BTS, is for them to ignore it. If you’re expecting any other reaction from k-pop stans besides avoidance or hate, you’re hoping for too much. Personally, I don’t think it’s a big deal, but I do think you need to calibrate your expectations to the reality of the environment you’re in. It’s one reason ARMYs are so fervent in their support of BTS."

If k-pop stans see that a comeback/debut from a BTS member is going to be massively successful, as Jimin's FACE was, they immediately go looking for anything to take away from that success. Fans of SM groups have also been on a campaign since the 2016 daesang loss of EXO to BTS, to assert that BTS is inferior to SM groups in terms of vocals, and so therefore BTS does not deserve their status as the biggest group in k-pop. They often target Jimin, Tae and Jin in these claims and constantly look for any chance to prove "Jimin can't sing". Even Jungkook sometimes gets attacked. After 2018 when BTS and Jimin were further differentiated from much of k-pop by the government, the wider k-pop fandom has joined SM stans to take every opportunity to make the group's status seem less legitimate and one reason they often cite is that BTS is less talented than other groups in vocals and they use Jimin as the scapegoat.

If you've ever doubted anything I've been saying about how k-pop fandom actually feels about BTS, that feeding frenzy from antis, k-pop stans, akgaes, the blatant schadenfreude on display over the clips of Jimin's encore stage, should disabuse you of every doubt atp. It's not like he's the only person who's had faulty in-ears during an encore and as a result was trying to find his key, he's not even the only person who has had a bad encore stage. Even Twice's Momo who made a similar gaffe during her encore for The Scientist, she didn't get as much of a backlash as Jimin did. It doesn't matter whether he can sing or not. They don't care about whether he can actually sing or else they would've seen all the several examples of Jimin singing comfortably and skillfully. The only thing k-pop stans are interested in, is humbling him. Jimin's unusual tone in k-pop makes him an easy target for many k-pop stans who read "different" as "bad".

As I've said before, Jimin is my favourite vocalist in BTS. He's an excellent vocalist in my opinion and I'm very proud of how he's improved since debut.

One thing about BTS that's true for them than it is for any group I've seen, is that they actually sing live more times than not.

It's more impressive for me that their vocals are still in good condition despite 10 years of going as hard as they've gone in their live renditions. It's impressive for Jimin especially given his high range and how he's only expanded and strengthened it over the years.

I don't think the encore stage 'affected' Jimin the way some people imply. He's his own harshest critic for better or worse, and I suspect there's nothing a kpoppie or stan could've written that Jimin didn't briefly consider himself. Of course all the chaos around it was embarrassing, that's expected, but also he's been through worse and if there's any legitimate criticism, the person who will get to the heart of the matter quickest is Jimin.

Jimin is already something of a beast of an idol, but after that encore stage and everything that happened during FACE, he's reflected on what he needs to do to become even better than he is...

...and I'm genuinely terrified for the future of k-pop because Jimin is about to become even more untouchable. I'm not even trying to gas him up or lean into my bias. With all the years I've watched him, Jimin isn't someone you want to bet against, ever, and a lot of people are going to be in for a rude awakening when he's ready to show what he's worked on. Ignore k-pop stans. They exist only to serve as background noise and spectate as Jimin continues to build on his artistry, continues to gain the respect of industry professionals, and thrive.

Stream Set Me Free Pt 2 for clear skin and a healthy bank account.

[abcthv9597]

It is said that Yoongi's case is finally over! Apparently on the 27th of September the judge has signed off his summary indictment and he only has to pay a fine (I'm not mentioning the amount of money because no one really knows the actual amount but K-A.R.M.Ys said that since he is a famous and influential person with lots of money they are going to make him pay much more money than it is actually needed or such fine ever costs)! The case is finally closed unless Yoongi decides to protest the fine in the next 7 days which means that in that case the case will go to trial. A lot of news outlets are reporting on it however we should be cautious and wait for an official statement by Big Hit or Yoongi to really know if this is real!

Can't believe it took them almost 2 months for something that should have never been treated as a big deal! My question though is: what is he getting fined for since they said that what he was driving was not a vehicle?! If it isn't a vehicle then they can't actually fine him for drunk driving (this is also the reason why his driving license was not revoked too)! Like what do they mean DUI violation of the Road Traffic Act when it was confirmed he was not driving a vehicle, he was wearing a helmet, going super slow, he was on the pavement NOT on the road (it is legal to drive a scooter on the pavement in South Korea) and they never did a breathelyzer test on him?! Who are these people kidding?! It was never confirmed by anyone that he was drunk, it is a rumour all those K-media bullies kept on mentioning just because on his letter he said he went out for a drink! Having a drink doesn't necessarily mean you are drunk and Yoongi in his first letter on Weverse said he just went home after being stopped by the police. He didn't have any breathalyzer test done on him! We all know that Yoongi never lied in any of his letters!

As you can see there are still loopholes in this case by the police's side that we will never learn the truth about, the police and the K-media are still trying to cover others' messes, crimes and scandals with Yoongi's case! We all know Yoongi was a scapegoat for big crimes and scandals! If it's really over now I hope Big Hit starts immediately suing all those K-media, antis, akgaes and bullies! They deserve hell, jail time and the worst for what they did to him😡

[jrueships]

i thought you were a bills fan? or are you a stefon diggs akgae

i had to look up what that is LOL and.. well. it's kinda complicated, i mean i guess. Nut like. (But*) (too lazy to backspace LMFAO) when i say i like teams.. i say like. U know. I like the team. I like the ppl that make up that team. And by ppl i rlly do mean ppl . I love stef, and I also love isiah Mckenzie, Gabe Davis, devin Singletary, Jordan poyer, etc. like. i hate when teams blow up. so like. am i loyal to teams (the big thing) nah, lol. But i'm loyal to the ppl who make up the team. I'd be more of a fan of Buffalo if the guys on the team i came here for were still there, but they're not. i love buffalo's spirit and their utilization of the cold. I think weather utilization is hilarious. I'm still gonna hope for good things for Josh but like. Yea, lol, I did get introduced to Buffalo thru stef and then fell in love with his team during that Era and now that the whole reason i first fell in love with them has moved ? im moving a lil too .

im not the biggest fan of football in general, it was always a bit boring to my very small attention span both watching and playing it. So I don't rlly always introduce myself as a football fan to ppl bcs a lot of me being a 'fan' is me playing it as background noise while i work out or smthing. it'll be a little dif if it was basketball bcs I pretty much root for any team that sucks in basketball. So like. I'm just kinda a fan to anything rlly. im very hesitant to be fully like. 110 percent into things sometimes (like how im saying smthimes instead of all the time when it probably is leaning more toward all the time). so like i mean. Yea i like stef, like how i liked Brad Beal and the older wiz at one point and then he moved weird and my beautiful Bonga and others broke up like. I stopped watching them for a bit but ill still root bcs they're still the wiz and i liked the wiz at one point and ill probably like them to the same amount I did p soon now that bilal is there and attitudes are changing and i can find more ppl to like and fall in love with again to make me actually like the team as a team again

[dearweirdme]

Hi there. I hope that you are doing well.

I came across your account today by accident and have gone through a couple of your posts. I just read your last answer talking about how taekook’s interaction is what makes them different.

I just wanted to thank you for writing this because this is exactly how I feel towards them and their relationship with each other (I used to be a TaeKook shipper but not anymore since I left the fandom 3 years ago due to personal reasons but they have been lingering in my mind over the years.)

I’m not sure whether they’re a couple or not because there are still several blind spots in the whole “TaeKook Is Real” thing for me that don’t seem logical to me (I’m talking about my “own” logic), but I have my own doubts about them and it’s literally so subjective and personal.

All I can say is they don’t behave like brothers, bandmates, friends, colleagues or even rivals as akgaes would like to depict them.

It feels like they have a relationship more than just being friends or brothers and all that…but I don’t want to label it as “couple” because I believe that we, collectively as their fans, rarely know anything about their private lives despite me having my own doubts as I have previously mentioned.

Kamsahamnida Ami. Borahae🫰💜

Hi anon!

Thank you for stepping by! I always find these kind of asks so nice 😊.

They are special! I never really mind if people aren’t sure about them being in a relationship or not, I’m just glad that people see how much they mean to each other.

I hope you are able to find enjoyment in fandom still!

💜

[stupendousfoxthing]

oh my the one who tried causing drama over atomix a few months ago is now a jk solo…i hope all the ppl who became solos during this era never come back bc clearly they never actually cared about whichever one they dropped and they don’t deserve either of them at all 🤮

I couldn't find any new info about 🪀, but I had her blocked for years before the final drama. She was always the worst kind of Taekooker (and former Jkkr) and proved it in the end. The funny thing is no one actually cared after she did alllllll of that nonsense.

I've seen a few "Taekookers" that became solo akgaes during Layover and Golden and none of them are surprising. I'm not anti solo stan at all, because you can absolutely be a fan of only one member. They're all established solo artists now and this is normal. The problem is being hateful toward the other members. Ex-Taekookers who still obsess about Taekook/Taekookers are just so pathetic. No matter what the nature of Taekook's relationship is, those two love and are incredibly important to each other. These akgaes are fighting a losing battle and deeply disrespecting the person they claim to be a fan of. I wonder where these people are going to go when things don't end up the way they are hoping.

[stormblessed95]

If you don't want to answer because I attached the link please address it in a separate post, because i really can't believe he's dating a woman after doing all of that to Jimin.

This did not take long. Wow. I applaud you for being the first to allow me to mark off a Bingo card spot!

Doesn't it amaze anyone else how people are so incapable of thinking for themselves and have no problems with photos or people who they believe have invaded a members privacy??

Just so you know, for one, Jimin is fine. He doesn't need you white knighting to save him from anyone "doing all that" to him. He seems to enjoy it. If JK is dating a women, still no one needs your white knighting and Jimin still seems fine and is releasing a song with someone he loved and admired in the industry. Focus more on that than his relationships please. Your priorities are a bit screwy here.

Second, the links you sent me are from a Jimin akgae account who posts about wanting to kick out the other maknaes from the group all the time. They are attaching random women to Tae and JK constantly trying to stir up dating rumors. So either they are fucking a new girl/person every week, (which would be their prerogative and I hope it's good!) Or it's a bunch of baloney made up by a bitter and jealous person. Either way, it doesn't matter snd those people deserve zero amounts of anyone's attention.

Third, the photo that akgae account used came from a French Instagram celebrity gossip account. These things aren't hard to find if you actually apply yourself just a little anon. They look for clout wherever they can find it and have fixated on again, Tae and JK from BTS for their BTS gossip posts. Including posts about how they have confirmation taekook are dating. Posts about how JK is flirting hard and pursuing Lisa. Posts about how Tae and Jennie are a real couple, are still dating and how the narrative around the "leaked photos" wasn't true but the relationship is. Posts about JKs supposed non celeb girlfriend. All at the same time. So either taekook are the poly couple of the century (which if they are and JK is dating Jimin too, then clearly they are all fine with that and so your white knighting is still unnecessary, Tae also would probably want some of Jimins love too) or.... it's a bunch of clout chasing seeking engagement baloney. Use your brain. Please.

Fourth! There is zero indication that the person in the photo is even a) Jungkook, just because it sort of looks like him, doesn't necessarily mean it is, b) is him sitting down with that person because the angle is funny and the photo is blurry, he could just be walking past, c) that he is on a date with a woman because the other person's gender is unclear because all you see is a back and some black hair with undetermined length even too. And d) that if it is JK and he is sitting with someone, that the other people sitting there too aren't also with them and it was a group outing. Same thing for your other link too. From the same problematic account.

Lastly, you successfully marked off my "deals in rumors and speculation" box and I'm marking off the "they are all straight and will marry girls" box for you as well. Since I made that one with the notion of anons pulling up with them dating girls rumors and ideations. Keep your hero complex to yourself, Jimin (or any other members) are not in need of it. Whatever their relationships are to each other, I'm sure it's all consensual so you don't need to try and insert yourself. I know for a fact they didn't consent to YOU being involved in whatever they've got going on... sooo leave it alone?

I just posted my bingo card yesterday. I promise it wasn't an invitation to check things off! Really, the way I truly win is to not check it off! Lol and no, I will not be posting your links or photos because I don't deal in rumors and speculations. Thank you.

[jiminjeonging]

oh my god, this fandom pisses me off so fucking bad sometimes. are you seeing this shit? instead of focusing on the actual situation regarding jm’s clothing issue, they’re now being purposely obtuse and distorting what that girl said so they can, AS ALWAYS, make it about “shippers being disgusting and seeing jm as an object” or whatever the fuck. all the big accounts are going at it too and this is enabling those fuckass akgaes to get even nastier as well. how fucking stupid can they be? zero reading comprehension, and a bunch of idiots just blindly following the mob.

sometimes it feels like they’re just eagerly waiting for an opportunity to attack and harass jmjers and the sapphics in the fandom so their homophobia is justified. it makes me sick.

yeah I read the tweet thats calling her out and thought to myself how the fuck can they think that tweet was blaming jm and continue to just scroll down its just an usual day in mytwt really. mind you those akgaes are the ones that complain everytime jm doesn't show any skin and they wouldn't even gaf about this too if it wasnt for the secret camera issue. they act like they care so much about her safety then tweet the same 3 pics everyday that freaks use to sexualize her to get hit tweets, they say stuff like that one mini dress she wore and that one armageddon outfit are her best fits when shit on actual well thought out outfits because she doesn't show any skin. they make me sick and im so tired of them and now they act like they werent enabling this by sending stylists hate comments everytime she got dressed in appropriate outfits. its still fuck the stylist and sm but fuck them too hope they rot.

[mini-jiminie]

https://www.tumblr.com/mini-jiminie/770283466251190272/honestly-the-members-need-to-speak-out-not-just?source=share

See it's right that we're not supposed to be spoon fed even the basic mannerisms or need any lec from how shippers/solos/armys should behave normal BUT sometimes when you're on wrong path someone HAS to show you the direction. In this case the ppl that are being vile over ships or even solos or armys in general needs words from member's mouth because sometimes that's the only way they listen. This is exactly what happens in real life as well that when you're on wrong path your parents show you the right direction sometimes it's someone else so SOMEONE has to do something about it.

we're definitely not at the situation where we can ignore these things and wait for everything to go normal automatically because that's never happening. If anyone wants the results then ONLY members addressing this whole issue is the option. I know some losers still gonna be vile because they get pleasure out of it but still.

if ppl wants to ignore then they obviously can but then don't expect the changes just live with wtv is happening rather than constantly complaining about the hate. let them hate whoever they want let it be the way it is. The constant crying about hate but not actually doing something about is really irritating, annoying and frustrating.

One thing I'll say tho that the situation with Tkkrs is so nasty that they're even worst than Larries and if Larries still exists after a whole wife and baby and louis constantly addressing the issue then just imagine what taehyung and jungkook's partners would go through. and I'm damn sure at that time jungkook himself would address the issue when his actual partner will get the hate unnnesary and everyone who says he's not going to do it because be doens't give a fk will know what exactly being in love actually means. Louis addressed the issue, ian Somerhalder did, i think some girl group fifth harmony or someone (a member ig) also did and BTS or in very specific jungkook will do to when the time comes.

The thing is, with people like the cult, there is no reasoning with them. Those people are genuinely psychotic to the point where they’re willing to wish ill will and harm on another member for obstructing their own made up fantasies.

Tae has directly addressed them before:

That was from 5 years ago and yet, did they gaf about what tae had to say? Absolutely not. They don’t care to listen and we should stop acknowledging and engaging with people who wanna be purposely obtuse. The more you engage with them, argue back and try to reason, the more fuel you add to the fire. The best thing we can do is ignore them and stop giving them a platform. These real-life people need serious real-life help beyond what we can do from behind our screens.

As for solos, their biggest concern is wanting to be differentiated from army. They have a field day every time the boys don’t explicitly write ‘army’ on one of their weverse posts, thinking it’s because they’re addressing their solos instead. The boys explicitly calling out their solos (even if it’s negatively) would still give them the acknowledgment they so desperately crave. Again, akgaes don’t care about the boys’ actual feelings. They don’t treat them like human beings and only as achievement bots to boost their egos. They won’t care if the artists they ‘support’ ask them to stop being nasty. They’ll only think, ‘Oh, member x knows he has a solo fan base and oh, that means he doesn’t care about the group anymore’.

I agree with you that we as a fandom need to do better in regulating this type of deranged behaviour within our spaces. I have hope that when the boys reunite, this will work to push out some of the bad apples. Chapter 2 has given delusional shippers, solos and akgaes the amo that they never had before the group hiatus. With the boys pursuing their solo careers and not being seen together as often, it’s given them a sick sense of validation.

As the boys have grown, the older part of this fandom also has. We all have our lives outside of this fandom and can’t afford to stay glued to our stan accounts all the time like we used to. With the boys’ group hiatus, we all agreed to take some time to work on ourselves and grow as individuals and I think that’s a wonderful thing. We’re people before being fans and constantly worrying about fandom beef and letting it run over your real life is extremely unhealthy.

Long-time stans and the people who used to call out bad behaviour aren’t as active within the fandom anymore. There's been a wave of new fans who I like to call army 'purists' who have this insane sense of entitlement towards everyone and anyone. They're quick to bully and harass people over the smallest things such as likening jk to a cute animated character. They're chart-obsessed and are willing to forgo morals to gain hollow achievements. I've seen long-time fandom translators being harassed over sharing pro-Palestine tweets. I've seen people excuse the actions of literal genocidal freaks such as Scooter Braun. The fandom is in the trenches but again, I have hope that once the boys reunite and once we as fans reunite, it'll be a step towards cleansing this fandom (Ik I'm being very optimistic)

[minggukieology]

Hello hello,

I am new around here. I really enjoy Kookmin’s bond, and I am also a researcher in the narrative space. I found you on Twitter and I was so impressed with your transparent, eloquent commentary on this whole thing. Thank you for running this blog. My question might be odd, but I am really curious to see how much of this ship/fan wars translate within the Korean social media space? The last few days have been nothing less than hell on the bird app, the anon requests on some of the blogs here are just people thinking they are so slick, but are just purely undermining Kookmin’s bond. I assume Naver is like one stop destination for SNS in Korea. I also see that the members have quit Twitter officially (I have no doubt they lurk though). Are ship wars this intense in the online spaces in Korea? Is it between the same ones we see on the I-Army side? I know shipping is a common theme in the pop space there and people might have healthier approach to it? This is also me being wishful that the members don’t see the pure vitriol that’s being expressed. Thank you in advance.

Hi, there! Thanks a lot for your nice message 😊

To put it shortly: no, such shipwars don't typically happen within k-army online spaces (at least not in the same way we know them) because there is never any need for debate around any meanings of words and no wiggle room for alternative explanations and seeing hidden signs in shadows. However, that doesn't mean that I have not come across any Korean accounts on Twitter that like to twist narratives and *especially* in case when their desired narratives feed into what their non-Korean speaking followers want to hear (they do like to take advantage of that language + cultural gap). As with every assessment though, Koreans are not a monolith, the same goes for k-armys or any netizens. There are some general tendencies but there will always be exceptions. Also it is important to note, even though the fandom largely organizes on the Twitter platform, I find it it less prominent among Korean ARMYs as to the amount of time they spend on there and the conversations that are held there.

From my perspective (my subjective opinion, therefore isn't unbiased and might not be representative of the whole community) ships or to be more accurate 'duos' / 'insert name line' are first and foremost among the majority about the members' chemistry, cute moments, looks, vocals and performances together; not about any potential romantic involvement of the two (that is not to say there are absolutely no Korean shippers of course). It is important to remember that the general premise has been that the idol sells their Korean fans the idea of a boyfriend/girlfriend, therefore the whole fantasy revolves around him/her and the fans having a connection, hence why for example idol dating life is still a big no no in the public etc.

To add, sadly since Korean fans can't get away with twisting the meanings of what the boys said (unless they want to appear ridiculous and stupid) the 'wars' therefore turn more vicious than that. There are some prominent 악개 akgae groups within the BTS fandom too which use all kinds of tactics to tarnish the reputation of the other members by spreading rumors through Korean forums, discussion boards, trending tags and by even reaching out to Korean reporters to run stories based on false evidence. So I would say, these things do happen, just in a different way because Korean online space can be truly unhinged.

I don't believe the members have ever witnessed any of the craziness on the international side as it for the most part thankfully only happens on the international side (objectivelly imagine if Koreans were having real arguments over, for example, the meaning of 동생 'dongsaeng' 😂😂😂 it sounds absolutely ridiculous). And in the instances they did, when e.g. someone tried to push a 'ship' narrative on any of them directly, we got the infamous 'get out of your imagination' response.

Hope I answered your message clearly and covered all your points. Once again, thanks a lot for reaching out!

[poppinlovemp4]

7, 11, 13, 37, 36, 42 and 53!! ^_^

thank you for the ask yaaay it got kinda long so ill put it under a readmore

7. which song/group introduced you to kpop?

omg tbh i've been listening to kpop since i was like... realllyyyy little like since before i can remember i still remember listening to snsd into the new world as like a 5 year old😭 but what converted me into an active #Poster was i think the double hit of exo mama & shinee sherlock in 2012 i was way too young bewitched by exo's d.o. making a tumblr immediately for some reason

11. idols you share the same zodiac sign with?

taemin and i have the same birthday (<- says this biweekly) so theres that! also uhhh taeyong. i think? apink hayoung... snsd seohyun... one of the seventeen guys i used to have beef with him bc his birthday was the day before mine.. heechul. apparently. wow really mixed bag

13. the last photo of an idol you have saved to your camera roll?

i only save gifs but i will be using this frequently

36. name an underrated kpop group!

im too basic sorry i only follow like 3 groups and i dont know any unknown hitmakers... 😭😭😭 i liked pixy before they died badly though

37. name an underrated kpop song!

same issue help. uhhhh cursor by purple kiss maybe ?

42. a fandom name you like?

you could not pay me to care about the boyz but i do think deobi is super cute

53. tell me your unpopular kpop opinion!

damn now that im put on the spot i feel like ive forgotten everything... or like idk what's unpopular. i think it's pretty well-accepted in the #Oomf #Circle that most kpop groups arent all best buddies family forever and i think fans who are invested in that image are kind of like. idk theyre buying what's being sold to them so i can't blame them but it's not something i can put up with for too long😭😭😭. i also think akgaes are a necessary part of the kpop economy and idols dont dislike even the crazy and mean ones as much as people would like to hope

[gaykey]

despite taekeyists delusions that everyone hates their the members who always get the short end of the stick are onho and not just the fans but from the company too (thankfully jinki is free now). people only talk about them in regards to the other members n jinki especially gets dragged into shit that other solo fans start and they dont defend him since they dont even like him. also ever since he went to griffin taemin solos and akgaes have been on his ass and shading him for literally everything like theyre in different and completely unrelated companies, they even shaded him for that 2023 bb album thing like dude has been on hiatus for months just leave him alone n ntm the mess after he did comeback. and with minho, the fandom never talks about him other than "hes the shawol president" or the whole thing about his body n nobody except flamers bring up his mistreatment either like the main shinee acc didnt use to post or rt his schedules and it was only flamers calling them out and it took ontae to leave for them to do that stuff seriously. and that one taemint who got a hit tweet for a tweet with minho didnt even post anything about his upcoming drama rather was telling people to stream the horizon mv as if it that has anything to with the whole thing. "ot5" shawols constantly doubting if he even wants a singing career or just wants to be an actor. they need to be freed from this fandom i fear.

anon, i agree with you.

i do think the taekeyists (i love that btw) are recently reallllyy contributing to dragging the fandom down even further than it's been. and this is from someone who has lived that life (and still does in some ways but-)

onho are very much neglected as a whole from the famdom - i just didn't see it for a long time because i would say that my socials are very much ot5, and i do see a lot from all aspects of the fandom and because flamers and jinggus are particularly vocal and loyal (because of the aforementioend neglect from the fandom).

like you said though, it's got a whole lot better since jinki left sm. though i have seen the random af hate at him from taemin stans in particular calling him old?? idk.

however.....minho is, in my opinion, the most criminally neglected by the fandom. to the point where even iiiii, didn't notice how much the main account didn't post about his activities until flamers pointed it out.

his comeback rollout does seem better than his last, but people have pointed out that his teaser era is shorter than usual?

again - i have seen a lot of people hyped and talking about his upcoming release on my twitter (not so much here), so it's hard to judge the general fandoms attitude towards it??

and i didn't see the one taemint's hit tweet 🙄🙄🙄

i really hope he gets the recognition he deserves from the fandom with this album though, because he seems so excited about and has worked super hard, and it sounds sooooo good from what i've heard.

he's clearly passionate about music, and in love with performing, so i don't get the doubt from people whether he still wants to do it?? that's wild.

i do fear though, that the taekeyists will still be the most vocal in the fandom and spend all their time fighting each other over who's better whilst preaching being ot5 💀

[beautifulpersonpeach]

im so confused about that taekook pic. is jimin trolling? it's like he's toying with us? pls plss plss don't forget this ask bpp. pls answer my asks. i don't get why everything feels fake about jikook, tkk, jimin. is he even happy? it's like hybe is pulling the strings and trying to confuse jimin stans to frustrate us.

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Ask 2:

At this point I just feel like we're getting played with lol. By who and for what? I don't know. But I've felt this way ever since we got photos/video that jimin did in fact get a cake for his solo and I'm sure big hit saw what the fandom was saying about him not getting one and they still waited to announce that he did.

BTS just isn't fun anymore for me rn. There's just this tension surrounding everything. And not just with shipping. It's fandom wide blatant favoritism. Shifting confusing narratives from the guys themselves (Jungkook claiming he's not trying to shy away from the maknae image when that's all he's been saying for months now???). Tae doing whatever it is that he's doing (bless his heart chile). Namjoon seems to be a mess rn, I wanna give him a hug, he speaks like life is kicking his ass. And our jiminie, I can't get a read on but he seems happy. And the other 3 being in the army so they're not causing trouble lol.

These taekook pics from jimin, hmmm idk, maybe it's his way of telling people he doesn't care about the backlash, and tae bringing jungkook up constantly, and we should back off.

It's all a mess. I never thought I'd long for the day we'd get a real break lol. I WANT to miss them.

I don't hate them. This is just exhausting. It's like them and the company are trying to be strategic with everything and it feels a bit disingenuous? Idk if that's the word. Maybe disconnected is more the word. And I know they've always been strategic in the things they do, so idk why this feels different to me.

Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble in your inbox lol

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Ask 3:

Something feels wrong about suchwita. It feels forced. Am I the only one who feels Hybe is doing damage control with jikook to contain the fallout from Golden? BPP I'd like to hear what you think about vminkook's date, suchwita revealing the travel variety in context of all the controversies that happened lately. Does Jimin just not care about taekooker hate? He might be kind but he's still human.

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Ask 4:

I give up on Jimin. Tired of stanning a grown man letting himself get played for a fool. Hybe, you won. Gloat away BPP. You and the rest of the OT7 cows win.

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Ask 5:

BPP your asks about that RM - FACE credits controversy from Pjms reminded me of one debate I saw btw flat earthers and scientists. It's the most fascinating thing I've ever seen. The part that made me think of you is how flatearthers called the scientists uneducated, said they did their own calculations and made their own observations to arrive at fringe theories that disputed the wider consensus. I found it so strange how both scientists and flat earthers could observe the same thing but reach widely different conclusions. I know you've been going over and over with solos for some months so I hope this can make you laugh a bit BPP.

https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=Q7yvvq-9ytE

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Hi Anon(s),

Lol, Anons in asks 1 through 4, why are you letting your minds torment you over things that should be obvious? Anon in ask 5, you sent me that ask last week, but it feels apt to post it now given the sort of asks I've gotten in the last few hours.

How many times can we go over the sort of conspiratorial thinking that plagues people who eventually become akgaes, thought patterns that have been shown several times this year to be completely misguided? If the only conclusion you can reach after everything we've seen in the last 10 months, after seeing Jikook, Taekook, Yoonmin, Vmin, and Yoonkook's conversations recently, is that 'someone' must be trying to pull a fast one on you, then maybe you should take a step back.

Honestly, in my opinion, you all fit the profile of people who should engage with k-pop very sparingly. Most times, I've observed these sort of views (also in the case of flat-earthers) are caused by gaps in foundational knowledge about the subject coupled with personal implicit biases. I see this happen all the time, and it's unfortunately the sorts of people who think like this who only get further sucked in, to the point they lose any semblance of a reference point. If you're still at the point you're asking these questions, especially Anon in ask 1, 2 and 3, there's still a chance. I'd suggest a clean break, a detox period, and very limited exposure going forward but starting from scratch and actually watching official content from the early years. A lot of people who joined the fandom post-2020 have only seen compilations and selected clips of BTS's formative years, and so they lack the background to better interpret everything that's happening in Chapter 2 - from why HYBE wouldn't respond to akgaes whining about cakes by posting it right away, to how vminkook have behaved throughout Chapter 2.

Listen to how you feel and please step back.

With flat earthers it's funny because in a bid to be skeptical, to 'question everything' so they aren't "played as a fool", they end up becoming just that. For most other people there's no joke, but for them the joke is always on them.

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Thanks for the video, Anon in ask 5. But rather than make me laugh, it did the opposite. The conclusion of the video is that no flat-earther, not one, changed their minds after debating with the scientists. I had a theory that the people who end up as akgaes were always going to be that regardless of any arguments that run contrary to their beliefs, because at the heart of it, it's not about the arguments but about them. But I hoped I could be wrong. Extrapolating the conclusion of this video to my theory, the suggested implication is bleak as hell.

Anyway, stream Golden and enjoy jikook jikooking. Sounds like we're about to get a full calendar of content.

[jaeducs]

Hello! I hope you’re doing well <33 I only recently got into sechskies (i know, very late 😭) and the fandom has ofcourse been through a lot. But i came across korean jiwon stans (still yelowkies not solo stans) and omg they really hate sh? Everyone kinda knows that sh is a trainwreck but no international stan hates him that much. Is there perhaps some lore behind this? I didn’t know who to ask so sorry if this question is a bother 🫣

I hope you enjoy being a yellowkies! Most of us are active on twitter. I'm jjaeducs on there. Let me know if theres anything else you wanna know!

Jiwon akgaes are.... Interesting. Honestly it's a bit hard to talk about because they are the biggest part of the fandom. 1Kyne generally are really lovely most of the time even if they don't support Sechskies as a whole , but the akgaes who blur out the other members, petition yg for only Jiwon to comeback, and report posts with other members are the worst. Usually in any other fandom you can ignore akgaes but unfortunately since Jiwon's popularity is much higher than Jekki's at a whole right now it's difficult. Jiwon has had years of being the main cast in variety shows so a lot of his fans aren't fans of Jekki at all. So it's tricky.

I think the reason Sunghoon isn't hated as much internationally is because either as non Korean speaking fans they understand the situation differently. Also with the whole leaving hate comments about the members online thing- there is still plausible deniabilty. I've never seen any proof either way that confirms he did or didn't do a lot of the things he's been accused of. Like he won in several court cases but that doesn't prove he didn't write those messages. (But also the posts "sounding" like him doesn't prove it either.)

I haven't asked any Jiwon akgaes why they hate Sunghoon so much (because I'm afraid of them LOL) but I'm sure there is a part of it that includes Sunghoon "betraying" Jiwon, and bringing down his reputation too.

A lot of international Yellowkies I know who were around during the drama just stick to loving Sechskies and remembering the good old days. I think the general consensus is that Sunghoon is a bit of an idiot and has made mistakes but nobody really hates him. Just frustrated that it all happened when Jekki were becoming popular again.

To me personally hes a bit cringe but so are the other members ajdjciisdk. All the current and ex members have made stupid mistakes in their past, honestly if you stan anyone older than 30 you should expect at least one dui. 💀

[joyswonderland1108]

Soo..

Pjms have this project for Jimin which is NOT a re-comeback 

And as always hoes are mad. 

When people were expressing how much Army are hypocrites for shading Jimin’s re-comeback event just for them to be happy about a J-hope re-comeback during the same month aka the holy month of Festa that is supposed to be for OT7 and not for solo projects.. 💀 People were calling them names and telling them they’re mad as if Hobi’s re-comeback won’t include Jimin’s songs.

Now i hope you read the previous paragraph really well because guess what, now that there is a Jimin project, again as i said NOT a re-comeback they’re asking to wait for more details and to not spread misinformation, bitches are mad saying that “solos” are trying to ruin JJK1 i-

First of all motherfuckers if they’re solos, specifically Jimin solos, then whether they do a re-comeback, a streaming party or whatever the fuck they’re still solos and won’t interfere with any member’s release because them being solos would mean that they wouldn’t participate in streaming for any other member even with no Jimin related event you fuckwad.

Second of ALL, y’all be mad at Jimin stans for being defensive over Jimin and saying that another member’s re-comeback will still have Jimin songs in it, so why tf can’t you use this same logic and think that an eventual Jimin re-comeback would still have other members songs as well? When FACE dropped on my mama i’ve seen playlists that had equal amounts of Jimin songs and other member’s songs, i especially saw a lot of Jikook focused playlists for FACE where, if Like Crazy was repeated 10 times, Stay Alive was repeated 10 times, if Set me free pt2 was repeated 12 times, Euphoria was repeated 12 times, it was all equal and was both a boost for Jimin AND Jungkook, and this one is for motherfucking Akgaes barking about how this is an event extending during JJK1 aka his album release, but oh wait..

Speaking of an album release, THIRD OF FUCKING ALL!!! There is no official announcement, can’t people learn from the previous shit already? People took a Naver article bullshitting about an eventual release and ran with it, forgetting that Hybe never even confirmed that and to make it worse this happened before with Jimin himself, the one and only y’all bitches are mad about, it was again a Naver article claiming his album release was set on February then ended up being released a month later. 

Same fucking Naver claiming that Tae’s album release was upcoming too and that article was even older than the article about JK so people really over here looking for drama where there isn’t. If there’s any JK release without any official announcement at the very least a whole month before then i’d just assume it might be a single or a collab which again even a re-comeback project won’t interfere with it! 

As a Jimin and Jungkook stan i’m always so baffled at how people can barely use their brains and it makes me wonder how tf are these people supposed to be in college or have any type of diploma with a malfunctioning brain that can’t use common sense and basic logic, are some of these people supposed to be “professionals” that other people trust? We’re doomed if people can’t even sit for a minute and think shit through before spitting venom. 

Again and again AND FUCKING AGAIN, this ain’t no re-comeback so y’all shut your asses and do your own shit, y’all make me want to crucify you!

[lokisasylum]

BOMBASTIC SIDE-EYE

So a fanartist I used to follow here on tumblr before she moved to twitter, recently got exposed for not only being a fake shipper and OT7, but a fully deranged Jimin anti.

Like imagine this bitch being all bubbly drawing ot7 or jikook or whatever other ship art (she also made a few Jimin fanarts for 'FACE' which she was selling as prints). But on the side had 2 other accounts being a full on JK akgae, liking and retweeting posts openly shading Jimin (especially those nasty tweets where antis call him animal names). Talking shit like she hopes jk beats jimin's records to "prove" that Jimin's solo debut was a "fraud"???

Like you're already making money off of them with your mediocre art, atleast have some DIGNITY ffs...

More embarrassing still? When I first joined twitter through a lurk acc I made back then (when twitter started limiting access to posts if you weren't logged in). I looked her up with other artists I used to follow here on tumblr who also migrated to twitter only to find out she was really problematic & entitled (I found her harassing another artist that I followed, and all over both of them allegedly using "the same reference photo" or pose. So she was trying to gaslight the poor girl into apologizing to HER for "stealing her idea" while also threatening to send her horde of followers to report her, only to get CALLED OUT by her own followers).

Imagine being that petty?

But now that I know she's been a Jimin anti this whole time, it all kinda makes sense.