#adriel is bad but so is reya

[dodecademons]

Sorry not sorry I watched Warrior Nun again. William Miller being so active with the fans and what not got me thinking about Adriel again. Becaaaause was he the villain we thought he was? Sure he was tricking people into getting possessed by wraiths. Sure he killed some people. He is bad. Fact. Morally grey man. But he was enslaved (pretty sure he mentioned that) and kinda had to serve Reya without a choice. It isn't heaven or hell, it's some third thing. Reya though, had a child get transported into her land, saw the divinium in him and decided to make him a walking bomb. Trained him so he could take punches, not necessarily fight back, (as seen per Ava and Beatrice intervening, he can fight but he needs help) and told him the only way to win was to sacrifice himself. Also told him, and Ava, that the only way to end Adriel was to sacrifice themselves and there was no other way. Idk sounds pretty convenient to me. Three powerful beings carrying some sort of power from the other dimension (world?) and Reya's only goal is to get rid of Adriel and the only way to do that is full charge sacrifice two people who also have power from that world? Turns out it didn't work, so Reya was wrong anyway. Reya also kind of just stood and watched as Ava was fighting to defeat Adriel and once she realized the divinum bomb didnt work, one down, and the tarasks did their job, two down, Reya was like "as a treat you can have your dying breaths be with your gf" because she knew Ava couldnt heal from the divinium shards, three down. IDK REYA YOU SURE DO ACT PRETTY HUMAN HUH, all this "Reya is so powerful, she is everything" talk and she sure didn't do all that much except manipulate some people huh. I mean, Adriel got away, he almost won. Just saying.

[galaxysharks]

The lack of Faith in the OCS in Lilith is sort of telling.

They just instantly accepted 'lilith bad now' and didn't bother even looking for possible manipulation or possession.

Like from their perspective, Lilith spent two months searching for Mary relentlessly, you know, the sister she was closest to. And when she has to tell them that Mary is gone, they don't send a curtacy 'hey you good?'.

Then they go to Jillian's where Lilith went to be tested to see if anyone could help her. Then the portal spits her back out, beaten and exhausted after hours on her side. And Jillian responds by just casually setting up to send her back in immediately. And because of the timeline differences, Jillian could legitimately be planning on having Lilith endure weeks/months of this without break.

So she leaves, and yet no one uses the communication coin things to talk to her or to find out where she is.

And the next time they see her, she is visibly recovering from massive body spanning injuries, with the scales now covering most of her. And she's now chanting nonsense about Adriel, whose whole deal is manipulating and controlling people.

And every sentence she says is just his doctrine, right up until he's dead, where she immediately helps Beatrice save Ava.

All of these traits being exactly the same as the end of Season 1 when Lilith was possessed by Reya.

Mary may have said she hated Lilith most of the time, but she also was the only one that really saw her and had faith in her, even knowing how easily manipulated she is.

[juodojimirtis]

I do wonder what if Adriel was right, and Reya is the evil one. Honestly... I wouldn't be surprised. I really wouldn't be. Maybe, it's the effect she has on people. And the way she has no issue using them for her means, in spite of what they want.

Still, I personally believe divinity is indeed complex in the WN universe, like Adriel said, making them both neither good nor evil. I'd imagine the Other Side may adhere to a different moral code than the Earth. Also, Reya sees a much bigger picture than those she pushes on paths they do not want.

I like to imagine her as the Mother God/Queen of Heaven archetype. She is wise, she is loving, she can be merciful, but she is ruthless, and she does what must be done. She is a protector, and a judge, as much as she is a nurturer. But before all, she is a ruler. Her sheer power makes her burden greater than anyone else's. If someone asked her why, she for sure would answer them like God answered Job.

Or, alternatively, both of them are bad news... Like mother, like son. Honestly, speaking of how Adriel and Reya could be compared to Satan and God, respect to the creators for taking the "all divinity is complicated, dangerous, and not what it's thought to be" path, and executing it so well, in spite of leaving us with so many questions. Which may be answered now!

[mizgrownnonsense]

Alright, I’ve seen warrior nun and here are some thoughts. (spoilers) 1) Beatrice is Bae 2) Watching Mother superion’s glow up from “Harsh headmistress” to MILF was delightful 3) The costumes were fabulous. They didn’t always make sense, but boy were they fun to look at. (Lilith’s glittery blue scale eye makeup? Slay, girl) 4) it is criminal that Ava and Bea didn’t figure out their feelings before hiding out in the Alps together, because that would have been a lovely honeymoon. 5) It is CRIMINAL that Mary never came back. I mean, I’m sure the actress had better things to do season 2, but as she was the objectively best character of season 1--we were robbed, okay? Lilith, in particular, was robbed. She needed Mary back bad. Also, I see you gun-wielding black nun added in for the final battle. You aren’t Mary. We aren’t fucking fooled. Mary isn’t that easily replaceable--no scabs! 6) what the fuck was that plot, though?  6a) Adriel makes it clear that he is telepathically linked to divinium, because its his armor. we know this is true because he used it to talk to Miguel (even though he does not appear to be wearing armor in the flashback, and we see him making armor out of trask bones, so...bit fuzzy on what constitutes as “his armor” exactly) point being: why the fuck wasn’t that developed into a plot point in season 2? Why did the nuns keep using divinium weapons and wearing divinium jewelry, etc? Why wasn’t every piece of divinium (including badboy- priest’s tattoos) considered a security risk? that would have presented a super compelling limitation on our heroes...but no. disregarded completely. 6b) For an underground sect whose primary millenia-long mission was to exorcise wraith demons out of people, they did an awful lot of none-of-that when encountering countless possessed “zealots.” Hard to root for “saviors” who see possession was grounds to kick them around and stab them impressively--as opposed to, you know, saving them from trauma or damnation. while it didn’t track for the characters to actually feel that way, the writing set it up as if they did by never showing them in the process of saving anyone, even in cases where they weren’t outnumbered.  6c) If divinum is the only thing that can kill demons and you can’t use divinium anymore on account of Adriel spying on you through it--fine. Tragic cost of the high-stakes situation. It’s hard for the audience to see innocently possessed people getting beaten up, but it’s hard for the characters too. We’re all in it together.  If, however, you get to keep your divinium due to some gaping plot hole f*kin stab the f*kin demons with it! G*D! 6d) Why the hell did Reya leave without her Halo? Has she not been sending trasks after it for Millenia? Could she not have used her “vast powers” to cross the room? She could even have left Eva some divine life-support as a “thank you” compensation.

[contents404]

I like Vincent. He's human.

Not villain, not hero, just human. Vincent watches and thinks by himself. He wants salvation, afraid his darkness never gonna go.

His turning point is not simple as he said the moment Duretti was murdered on camera. It's long set since S1E8. Since the unhearable words from Adriel reached his ear. His face was sad like someone knowing there was nothing he can do, like he tried but he gave up, like there was nothing left in him.

We still don't know what Adriel told him. But it's obviously important to him since he brings that up to Adriel just before the big show.

Vincent's line to Adriel in S1E8 sounds like he was trying to help Adriel get back to “Haven” or wherever he came from to unite with his people. While instead, he stayed and used fear to manipulate people, gather prayer, and built a cult...

You can’t tell me Vincent never thinks any bit of it. Cause if so, he wouldn’t restart drinking but didn't stop again.

Mother Superion’s word makes him face all those little unsettling things he tried to ignore and tried to not think about. They got him to really think about all the things Adriel actually did since he “returned”. They apparently are not what Adriel has promised to him, personally. So he went to Adriel and asked “What about compassion?” and “Do you remember what you told me that night?”

That's a very important scene for Vincent. It shows how Adriel pushes Vincent away by dismissing him without real answers, by don’t remember his own lies, and by intentionally mentioning his will to replace God. And Vincent finally realizes and has to face the fact that this as divine being as this man is might not be his salvation after all. He has to face his own darkness again. And they used their differences in clothes choices to show that Vincent and Adriel may be completely different.

“Such a shame, I really like the suit.” is the no-returning point for this short partnership.

Duretti’s murder is but nails in the coffin.

Vincent as a man has the last bit of him tough and brave enough to admit this whole thing is a wrong choice and bad and disastrous. And he has that in him to go back to the OCS with Ava. That's something most human beings won’t do. It's much easier to start a new resistance than go back to the people you once betrayed. At least emotionally.

I personally kinda of hope to see him betray everyone again in the future. But that might means OCS gone too far in his eyes? I don't want that. But betraying everyone for Reya sounds okay. While I don't know why we fighting Reya though. I kinda of have this theory that Reya might be the whole realm. I don't have solid proof but Micheal’s word-choosing so is nothing but an HC.

Anyway, I want surprises in S3. Let the whole team blow my mind with good surprises. I’d say thank you.

[thats-a-weird-warning-sign]

hey sig!! :) for the writers ask meme:

7. What is your deepest joy about writing?

17. Talk to me about the minutiae of your current WIP. Tell me about the lore, the history, the detail, the things that won’t make it in the text.

24. How much prep work do you put into your stories? What does that look like for you? Do you enjoy this part or do you just want to get on with it?

Hi Penguin, thanks for the asks!!

7 - I've probably been writing for nearly 20 years at this point, but the thing that gets me everytime is that one moment where you get to unleash the emotional payoff - sometimes its the classic italicised 'oh' (which i think i've never actually used, somehow), sometimes its a dramatic move to save someone in a fight or something really weird like whats going on in judging distances. Writing for me is all about how the blorbos are dealing with the situations i put them in, and i love the moment you get to show the blorbo growth i guess.

17 - ough peng you know not what you've done... ok so the halo, definitely not an actual halo, more like a shard, a fragement of some endless, unknowable machine that our minds just cannot fathom. Adriel was punching well above his weight when he took it - its creators are ancient and endless, their existance echoes back to the very beginning, it's their heartbeat we hear in the cosmic microwave background, their lifeblood that crystalises in the gossamer thin walls of all the myriad universes tesseracted together at their behest. It is their fury that adriel seaks to hide from. He would take reya's judgement over the certainty of obliteration by their hand.

24 - It varies! Judging distances is my albatross and that bad boy has eaten so much of my time. If I'm writing something long and internally consistent then things take a lot of prep, but i've managed to pull off some shorter bits and pieces without needing to research maps of the italian countryside or quantum physics.

Sorry for the v self-indulgent essay answers!!

[stars-and-birds]

warrior nun for top three!

YES THANK YOU

3 male characters I love:

I genuinely can’t think of any. I’m trying so hard but I can’t

3 female characters I love:

Ava I love her

Beatrice she’s such a badass but she’s also a teachers pet energy and I love that

Camila the girl!

3 romantic ships I love:

Avatrice <3

idk there aren’t really any others? I can see the appeal of some like Camila/Lilith or Camila and yasmine but idk if I ship them necessarily

3 platonic dynamics I love:

Mother superion and all the girls. Best mother figure

Camila and Beatrice

ava and Mary

3 favorite moments in canon:

Avatrice kiss

Ava’s jealous scene is peak

the one where bea thought Ava died and she’s cradling her in her arms and Ava wakes up and “they can beat us be. Not together” and I sishbsbsns

3 favorite headcanons:

After the end credits scene (I think this might be canon?) Ava and bea move away and live together and nothing bad ever happens to them again

camila takes Beas place training the new recruits after bea leaves

Ava loves coming up with plays on Beatrice’s name as nicknames. Like honey bea, jelly bea-n, etc

3 least favorite things about it:

The Lilith and Adriel’s love storyline. Genuinely what the fuck was that

REYA WAS SO USELESS WHAT WAS THE POINT

marys death killed me inside, and I’m not really sure why they did that?

Thanks for the ask <3

[bisexy-legend]

Also I have a theory about Ava in the other dimension. When Michael arrived he was a little boy and Reya probably had no use for a little boy so she let him age, she trained him, groomed him as a soldier.

But Ava? She’s already a soldier (or as much of one as Reya needs). She already has the halo, she’s strong in her youth. I think Reya would probably keep her that way, regardless of how much time had passed, because she needs Ava for the war that’s coming. So emotionally yes the years apart might be difficult for Ava- we don’t know. But physically I think she could still be the same Ava even if she spent decades apart from Beatrice.

I don't think Michael was trained as a soldier at all, the poor guy was sending flying around like a crumpled up paper plane all the time lol 😂. But I agree with you that Reya had a purpose for him, not a soldier but just as a bomb, the thing is that I don't think that Reya is the devour of worlds, bear with me cause I will have to explain my theory on the holy war but I swear it rounds up on yours about Ava's aging, so when Adriel is fighting Ava he says that if he fails it will fall to Ava to stop the devour, he says that he needs to imprison God (Reya) to have enough power, my theory is that Adriel was Reya's champion to help her defend her realm against the Devour using the Halo (part of her own power), but he became too power hungry and ran away, seeking all the power for himself. I think that Michael was sent back not as a soldier to defeat Adriel but as bomb to hurt Ava and damage Adriel (it didn't kill him but created enough distraction for Ava's back up plan to work). I think that Reya's main goal was to get the Halo bearer on her realm to be her new champion, she can't fight the war alone, and that's why she didn't kill or take the Halo from Areala but instead gave her a weapon to imprison Adriel, but to do so Areala ended up dead, I think that maybe the plan was actually putting the crown on Adriel and both of them going to the other realm maybe? But to put the crown of thorns on him she had to sacrifice herself and then the lineage of warrior nuns began. I feel like the terasks main goal is not to kill the Halo Bearer but take her to the other realm, even Ava said when she put on the crown that they were gatekeepers. I think Reya wanted to hurt Ava because she knew that the Halo Bearer would never go willingly, but she would if she was mortally wounded and it was the only way to heal her (Reya reactivated the Ark and it worked the exact amount of time it took to get Ava inside).

So if my theory is even slightly correct, Ava is Reya's new champion against the Devour of Worlds Adriel warned about, which means she's already fighting the Holy War on the other side. I don't think she will age at all, I think being the Halo Bearer and therefore Reya's champion won't allow her to physically age (as Adriel didn't age on earth). But I think that she will spend a lot of time there maybe even a whole lifetime (70 years would be the equivalent more or less for a month away on earth) and either she won or lost the war on that side, having spent that many years without Beatrice and the OCS sisters will definitely take a huge emotional toll on Ava. I don't think they will age Ava either way, 'cause that would mean losing Alba, but if my theory is wrong and Reya is actually the big bad they will have to face, we can only hope Ava doesn't stay there long enough for her to completely corrupt her mind. (but Dark!Ava fighting everyone would be pretty cool and oh the angst we would get)

Oh, and I just remembered that when Ava kisses Bea goodbye she says "In the next", making Ava spend 60+ years (a month in real time) in there would make her line even more powerful because when they meet again, for her, that will really be the next life.

[feveredreams]

fixing season two

so warrior nun season two, huh?

preface: i love this show to pieces and this is a critique/edit made out of love for the characters, do not get me wrong!!

my biggest complaints: 

Mary’s death + Lilith’s “corruption” arc. I refuse to believe that the sisters would simply forget about Lilith like that, and the way the writers glossed over Mary’s death? Nope. Bad. Mary’s death should have been the driving factor in this entire season.

anticlimactic Tarask killing of Adriel. The whole season is about how the OCS can take him down, and suddenly the Tarasks just deal with the problem? What a letdown of tension.

Michael dying for absolutely no reason. What was the point of you? Perhaps this drives home how mortal humans are just pawns for divine beings, but it felt so utterly pointless to create this character and plan and have it all be useless. Let’s fix that.

very long post under the cut!

All right, let's go. The first few episodes focus on Michael and the Samaritans; Lilith also discovers that Mary did not survive and that she's changing even further. These are the keys to fixing this season: Lilith and the Samaritans.

E1-2: Ava blows their cover in Switzerland and they're summoned back to the OCS, but Michael manages to find them as they're leaving. He says that one of the founding ideals of the Samaritans revolves around Ava herself–the falling angel with a halo at her back, their last hope (gives more weight to the graffiti we see near the end, too). It's a legend, a tale spread of the angel with the halo fighting the imposter angel at the Vatican. If the OCS is gathering, then surely they need Samaritan help? Meanwhile, they learn that Mary is dead and instead of just ignoring what that means for everybody, they reach out to Lilith and they mourn together because that's what they deserve at the very least! Then, the OCS and the Samaritans team up and go after the Crown.

E3-4: Things still go to shit in the museum, Vincent grabs Ava and the crown, and there's still a cool fight scene in a church. Lilith gets further injured in the fight and begins to transform even further; they reach out to Jillian for help. At first she refuses, then Michael reveals his secret and there's a reunion. This way, instead of being driven by her desire to find Michael, Jillian actually helps Lilith and she doesn't go to the dark side. Plus, we get more science-y stuff and more Michael/Jillian happy times. They deserve some happy times :'(

E5: They regroup at the Salvius manor. Mother Superion and Yasmine go to the conclave while Jillian, Lilith, and Michael work together to figure out what's going on with her. Why does Reya not want her in that realm? What does Michael know that could be helpful in this case? They find out she's some kind of chimera, a combination of both human and tarask (or angel/demon?) genes, a being of both the mortal realm and the divine realm. There's emotional scenes where Lilith loses her temper at becoming a monster and the sisters reassure her and reaffirm their care for each other. They also reminisce about Mary; Ava comes up with a pledge to destroy Adriel for her. "For Mary," they all agree.

E6: The conclave fuckery still happens. Lilith stays behind with Jillian because her wings are coming in and it hurts like a bitch. They also send her back into the divine realm and learn more about this "holy war" that's about to happen, so that there's more foreshadowing rather than a brief mention in the last episode. They get everybody back and then come up with the canon plan: sneak into the live broadcast, have the pope denounce Adriel (assuming that they get the information to him somehow, despite him being in a birdcage at the Vatican), crown Adriel, box him up and ship him one-way back to the divine realm. We also add a fun Samaritan twist: they're going to stage demonstrations and riots at other cross locations across Europe to disrupt the prayer energy that he's getting from his other followers. After all, we see them building a cross in Switzerland–surely destroying only the one cross at the cathedral wouldn't be enough? So we get the Samaritans to take care of the others, and get a cool cross-continent montage, too. It still doesn't go well, though, because the plague-hacking doesn't work, Vincent steals the Crown, and the Arc gets stolen, Mother Superion mortally wounded in the process.

E7: controversial idea time: instead of Ava saving Mother Superion (damn I do love that scene, but consider this instead), Lilith does. She cauterizes the wound with hellfire, preventing Mother Superion from bleeding out–then when Ava gets back, she uses the healing power of the Halo to fully heal her. Combined, they're unstoppable! Also, Lilith needs a morale boost. She's not made only for killing, she can save people, too!

Even though the first attack didn't work, many crosses across the continent did get destroyed. So Adriel organizes a mass prayer event the next day, to regenerate the energy he needs to power the Arc. Ava finds Vincent and gets the Crown back. She puts it on and finally agrees with Michael to execute the bomb plan without telling anyone. She does, however, have a revealing conversation with Lilith where she asks Lilith to protect the others (specifically Bea) if Ava dies. Lilith goes ���� but agrees. Camila and Yasmine, trapped inside the cathedral, continue causing havoc and they come up with canon plan two: destroy the cross, destroy the arc, ta-da, we win!

E8: Of course things don't go to plan, but we still get dramatic Avatrice kiss and goodbye. Lilith is the one to tell Beatrice where she's gone and why. Ava and Michael get fucked up (but Michael doesn't die ASAP) by Adriel but sort of hold their own until Adriel opens the Arc and nabs the Crown back. Beatrice fights her way through a dozen men to the best soundtrack ever and exchanges half-hearted blows with Lilith, who refuses to let her follow Ava into trouble because "I promised to protect you, Bea. I'm not going to break that promise." But who can say no to a tearful Beatrice? Not me, certainly not Lilith, who finally huffs, "Fine. But I'm coming with you."

Meanwhile Ava realizes mid-battle that the semantics of "Adriel can't be killed by anything of this realm" applies to Lilith as well, and she doesn't blow up Michael for no reason. Reya still gets pulled through the portal, but Camila (iconique) blasts the most annoying TikTok songs into Adriel's head, forcing him to drop the crown. Lilith and Bea arrive just in time. There's a complex phasing/teleportation battle in which Ava and Lilith exchange the Crown to keep it from Adriel's hands, Michael running interference the entire time.

Adriel spots Bea and goes for her, seeing that this is Ava's weakness–Ava blows out the Halo to prevent him from hurting her, rendering Ava helpless. Adriel has her by the throat and monologues briefly about his success and how "You can't stop me, Warrior Nun. You're just one useless, vulnerable human." Just as he's about to rip the Halo out, Ava grins weakly and says, "But I'm not alone." (or something to that effect, add more Ava snark). Lilith teleports the Crown into her hand and she places it on Adriel's head, rendering him powerless. As he collapses to the ground, Lilith looks up at Reya, who gives a slight nod.

Claws extended, grief and anger burning in her eyes, Lilith screams "For Mary!" and decapitates Adriel.

Yet Ava, Lilith, and Michael are all grievously wounded, and Tarasks called by Ava's last Halo blast have them surrounded. Reya tells them that they have a choice: remain, and die, or join her in her realm for a time and live. There is a tearful goodbye between Bea and Ava, and Ava promises to return. Beatrice is left alone at the Arc, with only words and promises to keep her company.

*roll credits*

Thoughts?? I still dislike all the back-and-forth to the cathedral in the last few episodes, but I didn't want to wholly redo the whole ending. Let me know if I missed anything (I probably did) and what you liked and disliked about the canon episodes. I wrote this because I did not have the time nor energy to write a full fix-it fic, but wanted to share these ideas. finally: Warrior Nun season 3 when????

[smokestarrules]

What are your thoughts on Ava muttering “I don’t know anything” when she collapses after the Tarasks kill Adriel? It just seemed like a strange thing for her to say in that moment.

I figure it can go one of two ways.

(1. Ava and Reya didn't really have a conversation while Ava had the Crown on; all Reya did was tell her that it absolutely had to be Michael and Ava who takes Adriel down (which didn't even end up being true?). I don't think she told Ava that she could summon the Tarasks to help - I think Ava figured that one out on her own. In this case, Ava is telling the truth.

(2. On the other hand, there's always the possibility that Reya did talk Ava a bunch and maybe even explained a few things, and Ava lying to Beatrice is her attempt to protect her from whatever it is that she now knows. Maybe information about the upcoming Holy War, since Ava's so deadset on Beatrice living her life; she wouldn't want to worry her with that (though Lilith did almost immediately, so lmao).

Either way, I don't think Ava herself even understands what's going on with Reya, but I also don't think she trusts her and was at least in part trying to protect Beatrice from her. Reya's just got bad vibes, man.

[tell-talesignsof-awkward]

as a registered Lilith Apologist, I support women's wrongs. That said, /Lilith has yet to miss/.

Lilith was, if a touch selfishly motivated, technically objectively correct that a Halo Bearer should bare minimum be someone who gave some form of informed consent, and that making some random formerly dead person the new Warrior Nun is an outrageous plan. Did her implementation of the technically ethically and strategically correct plan to let the dead rest go a little heavy on the stabby-stabby? Sure, a bit.

Lilith was also right about going into Adriel's tomb being a bad idea. Again, perhaps a touch more violent than was strictly necessary, but like, it be like that sometimes.

As of the end of S2, Lilith has the broadest perspective of anyone on Earth about interdimensional politics. I'm just saying, attempted murder is pretty much just her love language to Ava at this point, maybe Reya just has bad vibes and Adriel lowkey had a point to wanting to put her down. Lilith's no longer fully human at this point so like why judge her based on human morality standards?

[mllebabushkat]

☀️ Warrior Nun S2E7 🌙

hype hype hype hype hype h-

ava-calling-an-ex-sister-warrior-a-bitch-while-she’s-dropped-from-a-normally-unsurvivable-height counter: 2

ok yesss phasing battle but also that's some goofy ass cgi hahaha

OH the parallels, this time it's ava's turn to be fully impaled on a sharp object :")

SUPERION NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i came into this episode already having processed my grief for her most probable passing and now you have the AUDACITY to show the whole process in excruciating detail ?? >:((

when ava sobs “mother” :(((( truly her parental figure :"(

BUT WAIT RESURRECTION POWERS????????????

superion's like 'i go towards the light' and halo's like NOT YET BITCH THE AUDACITY

HOLY SHIT SHES HEALED???

OH SHE LOOKS SO YOUNG AND HAPPY

ohhhhhhhHHHHHH bea crisis of faith HERE WE GO

i don’t like angry bea :((

avatrice balcony scene !!!!!!!1 my beloved!!!

“if I left, would you come with me?…you could teach me how to dance. i could teach you how to drink.” 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

(a thousand fanfics have sprung from this sentiment

i'm telling you the writers knew Exactly what they were doing when they crammed the whole book of tropes into avatrice :D)

she really would throw the world away for her 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

this applies to both of them btw :")

CAMILLA AND HER BOI "todd" hahshshdshdhdhdhdhdhdhdhs im sorry it's just funny

fussy mother!jillian awwwwwww

yeah self sacrifice is bad michael >:( dont be a dummy

“fuck the enlightenment of death” “this cosmic bullshit” ava is not standing for this grand scheme bs for one second and i am so here for it

every time there is an ava + michael scene i am reminded how the writers fully straightbaited us and i cackle

vincent el bastardo redemption arc????????????

the little fbc goonies with their little hockey sticks threatening him bhahahahaha

man you’ve seen her! she’s the real angel among us!

adriel's 'light' burned him?? ayeeeeee second thoughts second thoughts second thoughts

WAIT JUST LIKE THAT HES BACK-?

in other news oh no todd’s been brainwashed!

YASMINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE <333

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

demon baby hsjdkflsjsjs

vincent fine ava thinks ur safe but ur on thin fucking ice

O SHIT HOLOGRAM VINCENT HAHAHAHA

she’s melting the divinium? straight out his skin?? ok??? “get out of my head”????????????? okkkkkkkk?????

obligatory fuck off adriel (ur feeling the sting now hUH)

YO the wounds and divinium ink spilling down his arms THAT LOOKS INTENSE- gnarly counter: 4

superion without her habit is such a lookkk it brings me such joy <3333

ahhhhhhh so adriel's scared of the tarasks and reya(?) roaming the crown!purgatory right

NOT THE CLIFFHANGER >:(

ANYWAY

straight on to the season finale already???

[iagreewithlilithsrightsnwrongs]

do u think when lilith went through the portal a second time, she finally understood/remembered what happened after she got taken by the tarask in s1??? n why she comes back validly shaken n desperate for ANYONE to understand? 

do u think she understood that adriel n reya know each other n he was her best bet at understanding her monster nature? i think thats why she went to him, scared out of her mind but hiding it well, n just going with whatever he was doing cuz she knew, as much as her sisters love her n care for her, they got no fucking clue whats going on. its not their fault, but she did leave toledo n her mother’s house knowing she needed to find answers fast, knowing she could never be the warrior nun and what that entails, knowing she shouldve made peace with that a long time ago but fuck that was her WHOLE LIFE thrown away by a complete newbie who made her like this!!! the very monster she was supposed to hunt!!! 

my bby knew jack shit of what she was doing either, she just traded a bad situation for another bad situation that she could at least understand. i think thats why she trusts adriel so blindly, he SOUNDS like the answers she needed, she feels understood. but its also why at that ava n lilith scene where ava ends up hurting lilith on her face at the end, lilith is so fucking emotional n angry n scared when ava tells her to go back. 

how can she go back when she fucked up like this? how can she go back n act like shes truly at their side when they cant n will never understand hers? how can she go back to a place where it felt like home, like her destiny, when she failed them so horribly? she can never go back. she doesnt believe she can or should. shes heartbroken, n she cares so deeply abt ava n her sisters but those hours spent on the other side showed her some truth she cant ignore. n now she has to live with it. 

she wants to do what the warrior nun would do, save the world of evil, help her sisters. well, sometimes that job has difficult decisions. sometimes ppl die. im thinking abt the first ep when lilith tells mary that she knows what needs to happen. n shes right!! if they want to get rid of evil n save ppl, they need to be objective n follow the protocols. i think her siding with adriel n then her, at the end after he dies, when she warns beatrice of the war, helps ava to a place where she knows she can heal n survive, n literally does not give a single fuck abt adriel afterwards, just needed to warn her sister n go away, maybe to prepare herself for this war, was lilith’s way of doing what a warrior nun would do. 

she thought adriel could actually give her the tools n maybe even help her save the world. but then he died n she understood that maybe she needs to do this shit by herself. so she flies off, no fucks given. her business here is done, n now there’s war preparations to be done. i dont think she was ever in love with adriel, they were using each other for their own goals. 

would i have preferred if lilith found her new monster identity by herself n with the help of her sisters?? yes. do i like that she trusted a crusty white men to do it?? no. but i cant stand when ppl say that lilith loves adriel or smth. bby she didnt blink when the guy died. she was like “oh well, time to help beatrice save ava” like??? that scene shocked me n gave me hope that maybe lilith matured in a way that made her harder to manipulate. doubtful, but im hopeful. 

that girl is still very much driven by ambition but also by praise. those are her weaknesses for sure. 

also im pretty sure shes gonna get killed off next season cuz im used to shows like these to disappoint me so. yh.

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Whew, I was fortunate enough to not get spoiled, don't ask me how I avoided those spoilers lol So when they went into their last mission, I though "I guess no kiss? bc how will they give them a kiss while trying to complete the mission? There's no time?!?!?!" I was thinking we would get a voiceover with Ava reading the letter that she wrote to Bea and that would be our emotional/confession we had been waiting for. Boy, was I wrong! (also I was slowly dragging my mouse on the progress bar during the scenes between Michael and Ava hoping nothing was about to happen, every single time lol I'm so happy they never even got close to a kiss but the emotional weight was more with him and his mom- which was so heartbreaking to watch)

Aaah, now that I'm hearing from everyone who was able to avoid spoilers, I'm so jealous, next time, that's gonna be me!

Lol, anon, that is all SO relatable, trying to decide where anything big would fit into the last ep going into the mission, and I'll have to remember the progress bar trick with Ava and Michael, lmao. Thank you for letting me vicariously experience what it might have been like if I'd not been spoiled! That Scene must have been stunning to experience live with no idea it was coming at all. By that point, you still didn't know if they were even going to go all the way there, let alone kiss.

And so true, I genuinely was quite affected by the Jillian-Michael relationship and feel super bad for both. From what Michael said, he still "exists" in Reya's world, I wonder if--well, first, I wonder if all this will push Jillian to the dark side, now that Adriel is gone and they'll need a visible villain for next season, but if not, I wonder if either she'll go over to Reya's world to try to find him, or maybe Ava'll come back with another version, maybe even a little kid version that hadn't aged, if I were writing a post-s2 fic with Ava returning, I might be tempted to give them Jillian and Michael a happy ending too.

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I mean...if someone in my family just left I would try to contact them, see them, anything. I feel like nobody knew/was interested in where Lilith was and how she was doing until they realized she might be a problem (and I'm talking about BEFORE she even escaped from Jillian's). That's abandonment in my book.

And for the other thing you said, about her villainous choices, I'm still not sure. In the end of season two we learn that yes, Adriel is bad, but he's most likely fighting against an even worse-bad (Reya apparently?) and I honestly think she's aware of that from her vacation-time on the other side.

So like, for me the only real bad thing she did was killing Michael. Everything else is justified and maybe even to be admired.

I recently learned that the name Lilith has a strong meaning in Jewish tradition, now I'm not 100% sure on this so everyone feel free to correct me/educate me but from what I understand she's supposed to be a symbol of strength and freedom from a metaphorical prison/abusive situation. I feel like it would fit. (Maybe I'm trying too hard to see what I want to see, idk)

lilith is such an interesting villain because like yes she has all the basics self serving arrogant thinks they know everything but also in her heart of hearts she actually just wants to the best at something and that leads her to all the wrong places cause being the best at being herself is actually disastrous and she's also interestingly easy to manipulate cause she thinks she cannot be. she genuinely believes she's doing all this out of her free will but it's just not true. its going to be interesting watching her growth arc or like redemption i guess.

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Theory time

So, I just had a thought (that probably someone else already had but please, bear with me).

My mind has made a kind of parallel between Warrior Nun and one of the most known Superman’s villains... What if Adriel was some kind of Zod back in the other realm, like a general, Reya’s right hand, or something like that. Maybe, like Zod in Krypton, he saw the danger getting closer (that war that him and Lilith mentioned), and took matters into his hands because Reya is more of a “let things keep their course” kind of entity. Stole the halo, tried to haver his own army, and became the villain, even if, in his head, he was doing the right thing to save everyone. 

I also found kinda odd that moment where Adriel told Ava that if he failed, it would fall on her to save the day, given that they were enemies at the moment.

So. maybe, there’s another entity, a destroyer of worlds, oposite to Reya. Maybe he saw tyranny in the way that she didn’t want anyone on his realm to step outside of her rules and do something to prevent the danger. Maybe Reya was the bad guy all along, and Adriel was just the lesser of two evils.

Anyway, the only thing I know for sure is that we need another season (or five).